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Came across this video, on how fiverr works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-batToGlbs

The guy is ultra annoying but pretty damn good drummer. 5 dollars? I mean cmon.

Its more complicated when your writing a real song, as opposed to a groove. I mean the bass player is starting it off, does he even know what chords are being played? Send it off to singer? lol, where was the song in all of this?

But you get an idea how cheaply you can get real people on your tracks. Im defintly using it for some instruments.

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Yes, I recomend Fiveer Fde! Used them many times. Two different sax players.I see they have dancers to make videos of your song. I do make all session players and singers sign a release form. Just as a back-up to what Fiveer states (you retain copyright and exclusive ownership).

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yup, ive heard your sax stuff. Sounded good. The process between you and this one are way different, your basicly telling the guy what to play.

Here we have a drummer who probably doesnt know what he wants them to play. Im still confused as to how a song was actually composed. He did highlight sections when he played the drums, so am i to reason that the bassist basicly outlined the song? And where did the lyrics and melody come from? Was that all improvised. Or did he send them a song...

Either way, you can get real feel, even if its all metronomed. Still face the challenge of changing tempos, but cant have it all

I think it could take me hours and hours to play the different parts to my song, first having to think of them, and then having to play them, when i can get somebody who really plays the instrument and knows how a bass line for a song should go.

For 5 bucks, im sure there be alot of dud returns too, but if the music is not complicated i think its worth a try

Id defintly send over a sketch with my vision for drums, bass, piano, etc, maybe in some spots say I WANT THIS line here... and let them have room to do their thing too.

Sounds like fun and a blast. Somebody might even recommend me...singer/songwriter/all around swell guy!

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Actualy seems like the singers made up their own melodies and lyrics.

Wouldnt be my project, but still, sounds good. If you find somebody good they could be your bassist or whatever for a long time

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I just thought of something else, this guy owns that whole recording. He owns the bass part, he owns the guitar riff, he owns the melody and lyrics, and the finished product.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I just thought of something else, this guy owns that whole recording. He owns the bass part, he owns the guitar riff, he owns the melody and lyrics, and the finished product.



I'd still make all involved sign a release. If it starts making a lot of money, the players may have second thoughts.

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Yeah, i wonder if they could turn to him and say "hey you got youtube hits by showing my musical parts, i should get some of that".

Its still probably peanuts, but i guess the less people you use the better.

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Yes, and all they have to say is "I didn't understand Fiveer's terms". That's why a simple, easy to understand release is important.

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Officer im sorry, I didnt see the red light.....

Yeah if they signed, should be covered, plus it be a pretty weak argument, i mean you WORK on fiverr.. lol

I see why these guys go for the 5 bucks. People are always going to see how cheaply they can get away with something first, start with the lowest and try higher if you need to. Then if your good, you can build a relationship with that artist and play regularly.

Who knows, I could skyrocket one of these musicians to global fame.... ok national? No? Statewide? Citywide?

lol. Just about getting the ball in motion, i've had idea of using fiver for a long time.

There are other sites too, i saw one really elite one where the average price was 100 bucks. And I saw a guy on there who used to play sax on some of my old bands demos, hes now a sought after sax player in NYC, probably doesn't even remember me. I remember him though.

He didnt even need the chord changes, hes like ok you want tenor or alto.... tenor...bing 5 minutes, one take, no knowledge of the music or chords, he did it all by instinct. Im not surprised hes doing well

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Id say were pretty safe. Worse case sketch out your demo, to prove what melodic ideas...hooks, are yours.

Plus were talking millions of bucks here...

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But then again, if you make $3-4,000 in a movie placement, the session musician may feel like he got the shaft - and take you to small claims court. And anything can happen there.

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Then I turn around and sue Fiverr. Didnt you guys explain the rules to this lad? Yes we did, Gavel I vote in favor of FD....

lol, anything can happen, theoretocally, BIAB could say, hey that guy is using our bass line on that hit song, we want payment...

EZ piano could say, hey that guy used one of our intros for his hit song. It could go on an on i suppose.

One thing Id do is make sure the guy trying to sue doesnt work for anybody again. "Whatever you do dont ever hire this Ahole, hes there to look for opportunities to steal your music"

Funny story My dad knew a guy ...who knew a guy who was a singer, and Frank Sinatra was known to have much pull in the music biz, approaches the guy and says "hey, will you do a concert for a charity I like'? No, I can not work for free, i have to be paid...and the legend is Sinatra said "Ok, dont do it, but you wont work for a year" Sure enough, guy doesnt work for a year. Sinatra comes back next year, and says, Will you do the concert this year? Yeah sure, ill do it!

One thing you dont want is to have a bad story told about you. Couldnt be good trying to steal rights to a song you dont own

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Lol, cool video!

Q? Why did that take 6 weeks?

I've often wondered, on every songwriting site I've ever been a member of for the last 20yrs, why more people aren't doing precisely what's in that video... JUST FOR FUN!?!

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it didnt take six weeks, i think he was goofing, he said he got takes back in two days from all involved. I guess it could take as long as you want it, or be as fast as you want it.

I think one reason is Home recording has made everybody, songwriter, artist, band, engineer, producer, when mastering one is probably a lifetime job. Its now like if you hear a real drummer or real grand piano or real sax, you are shocked. Ive gotten used to it too but when i hear real instruments it just sounds like life again.

Even when I heard Travis rough demo, i was pleasantly surprised to hear real drums and a real acoustic guitar.

Software is making it so we dont need it, but i dont think software does it better. A human being will always sound better than a program, unless of course the human being stinks...

lol, his acoustic player was about as bad as it gets, but all the other takes were pretty damn good.

I agree, we should be doing it more, the technology is there for us too, not just software users.

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It was a fun experiment. To me, the end result was just awful, but the point of the video was the process, not the result. He was asking the vocalists to go way beyond their advertised service by not just singing but basically writing the lyric and melody. I'm surprised that they stepped up. That might raise some interesting copyright questions.

In a way, though, they were doing what top liners do in some pop songs. The producer plays them the rhythmic foundation of the song which they listen to through headphones and basically improvise lyrics in the hope that they hit on something catchy that sounds like a good hook, lyrically and melodically. When the producer hears something he likes, the rest of the lyric and melody are built around that, not necessarily making a whole lot of sense, or at least not saying a whole lot. There was some Swedish guy who generated hit after hit that way a while back.

Having said all this, I think Fiverr is a great idea if you use it the way that John does.

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I was on Fiverr for a month... Thought it might be a good place to mix and mingle with other musicians ready to play. Nothing. Nobody cares unless you throw money at them... and there's an awful lot of people there to throw money at.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
I was on Fiverr for a month... Thought it might be a good place to mix and mingle with other musicians ready to play. Nothing. Nobody cares unless you throw money at them... and there's an awful lot of people there to throw money at.


Yes, just like any business - to make money. Very reasonable prices, I may add.

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Japov and JLS, 5 dollars is basicly a handshake, i see it as a way to get promoted and hired by word of mouth from other users.

I think they do have social networks, of exactly the same thing, in fact, I know they did at one time.

But even this forum could serve as a social fiverr, all it takes is people who play or sing, write, and the ability to record themselves. Im pretty sure there are some good folks here who would play for free, so long as you dont make a habit out of it

I hope Irwin reads this thread, he is somebody who could get great use out of what was shown here. He could have somebody build him a track, in which he could then write and/or rap over. or hire a singer from there. Ever wonder where rappers get music from? It dont come out of thing air, somebody makes it.

Im probably going to do my own recordings and listen to see if adding somebody would make a world a difference.

Be nice to have organ player, harmonica, female background singer, i have a great classic rock tune ala woodstock era, that would sound great with a choir type of background singing.

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Actually it seems most are available on phones these days

But bandlab is one

https://blog.bandlab.com/invite-anyone-you-like-to-make-music-with-you/

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by JAPOV
I was on Fiverr for a month... Thought it might be a good place to mix and mingle with other musicians ready to play. Nothing. Nobody cares unless you throw money at them... and there's an awful lot of people there to throw money at.


Yes, just like any business - to make money. Very reasonable prices, I may add.

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John, wouldn't you at least say that "business" gets in the way of creativity? Unless you already have a complete song/lyrics/arrangement that you want professionally recorded/produced a specific way... isn't charging someone just to "ad-lib" at the creative level kinda' putting the cart before the horse? Especially if nobody knows you?

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Youre welcome for that link

No, its not, professional musicians are just that professionals, trying to grind out a living as musicians, which is very hard to do. Majority of them im sure teach, do gigs, anything they can to make a living.

Its the wrong place if looking for friends to jam with.

I gave a place for that.

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My whole family are musicians, and I grew up with a lot of guitar pickin' friends. So, I guess I just sorta' take it all for granted. Nothing beats sitting in a circle with a bunch of musical friends...

That's always the atmosphere I've searched for on-line... Stupid me, what am I thinking about...

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
My whole family are musicians, and I grew up with a lot of guitar pickin' friends. So, I guess I just sorta' take it all for granted. Nothing beats sitting in a circle with a bunch of musical friends...

That's always the atmosphere I've searched for on-line... Stupid me, what am I thinking about...

You can't expect everything to be the same thing. Fiverr is more of a marketplace than a community. You may make friends or connections along the way, as we do when we interact with people, but that's not its purpose.

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I think when you are a hobbyist, you're not thinking along those lines. What if you're an indy musician. trying to get fans, trying to sell your music, trying to get youtube hits, you might teach guitar or give voca lessons... and so you sign up with fiverrr, for potential extra money.

Shouldnt everybody want to play with me for free??? Im cool, good lookin...

Whether or not any who are on there are actually professional quality is a subject of debate, but irrelevant. And im guessing 90% of the users on there probably got one job, if any at all. In this case, this video, becomes a nice plug for the two who were really good, the slap bassist, and the guitarist. I know now easily that guy would be worth 5 bucks.

God knows what the ones who charge 100 250 500 sound like, but you can bet they have credits.

If somebody charges regularly for their work, i dont care how you try to befriend them they aint giving it to you for free.

ive tried to get dates with the women who have cut my hair... get the same response "I dont date customers" ohh yeah? well ill settle that, ill go somewhere else for a haircut, pick you up Saturday???? LMAOOOO

I did mange one or two, and they were right, what happens when you break up, you lose a customer.

Find other hobbyists who enjoy the interaction.


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This gal charges 200 for a basic recording on sitar? Anybody got a Ravi Shankar cover to do?

https://www.fiverr.com/chichiwj/play-sitar-for-your-song?context_referrer=subcategory_listing&source=drop_down_filters&ref_ctx_id=b49aee41170a18eefb67ec3caea746b0&pckg_id=3&pos=23&tier_selection=recommended&filtered_price=250%2C50000&context_type=rating&funnel=07bf4f71-1e6e-4f0c-8650-a2bd91e69cdc&ref=gig_price_range%3A250%2C50000&extra_fast=true

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We should pick a lyric (or collectively write one) and each chip in 5 bucks and have them turn it into finished song. I wonder how it would turn out? Do you need a specific multitrack DAW and a click track?


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
We should pick a lyric (or collectively write one) and each chip in 5 bucks and have them turn it into finished song. I wonder how it would turn out? Do you need a specific multitrack DAW and a click track?


You can use different DAWS and export to wavs. Someone would have to collect the wavs and mix and master.

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You could do this, but I think it misinterprets what Fiverr is actually best for. I don't think it's a great idea to provide a lyric and expect to end up with a decent finished song. John uses it to add a solo on an instrument he doesn't play (saxophone). That's how I would envisage using it. You could go a bit further down the road you are suggesting and provide a lyric and melody and recruit Fiverr folks to play the instruments, but providing just a lyric seems to be asking for a level of collaboration the site wasn't designed for.

I haven't used Fiverr, so I could be completely wrong.

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Good idea Brian. What happened in this scenario, you had a drummer, who said ok, i wanna try to make a song, so im gonna record three sections of drums. The job of the others was to build on it. I think the drummer, hence this guy did a great job, cause obviously the sections were enhanced by the bass player, then the guitarist. But without the sections, it would have no structure.

It was more a jam track, he never mentioned that the singer wrote the words or melody, i guess he assumed we knew that. Just as the bassist creates a melody, so too does the singer. I dont think anybody cares about the quality of the lyric in this case, especially when its treated as an after thought, and was probably very hard for somebody to write lyrics that way.

I didnt think either of the singers was very good either, but remember here, were talking 5 dollars. The last thing on this guys mind was the quality of the lyric, i guess he expected a halfway decent melody

Meh, but the drums bass and guitar were great, and could easily be a track used for something.

Im not sure if he got their agreements signed, he knew he wasn't writing a masterpiece, starting on drums.

I see no reason why this couldn't be done and done much better.

This type of top off is done all the time, with one difference, its not starting with a drummer, its somebody who composes music.

But id say it shows the potential of working with other musicians. pay them 25 bucks and im sure youd get much better returns.

And if you write a lyric only, what else were you going to do with it?

Not a great song, but shows what can be done when you have something strong to start off with.

Ive never seen people so cheap about 5 dollars. Where is the loss in what this guy did? and he increased his youtube hits.

Not bad.

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Ahemm... What's stopping us from forming a complete song right now... right here... for free? THEN send it to Fiverr...

Yep, stupid me...

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boy i get accused of being confrontational...

And why so sore? And sarcastic?

Why? No reason, only the people here who are good enough to produce such things dont need it.

Those who arent, probably dont care anyway. I think it be worth a shot for somebody who isnt that way inclined, and us chipping in just as gesture, and to learn more about the process and results...

Why dont YOU take one of YOUR songs, and have somebody play bass or piano???

'Cause theyll charge me"

And I think JLS has shown us his results...

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everybody here is a guitar player, we got enough of those. There aint ONE person who plays sax, here.

Drums are probably not worth it to anyone cause the software is so good, but i enjoy a real drums for rock music.

Dont know anybody who plays organ...b3, not converted piano players, or guys using two fingers. I can do that myself.

Bass, i can probably pass the cut, but if i can get a real bass play for 5 bucks, why would i bother doing it myself?

Nobody here is a bass player... i think Mike Dunlap was an ACTUAL bass player.

Its about filling in needs. If you dont sing, getting a singer might be very helpful. We have a few here.

Bottom line, if your on fiveer, your looking for work, if you go to fiver, your looking to improve the results of your recording, cause you are trying to do something with it, or at least make it as good as can be.

Your not entertaining yourself. Unless, if trying a 5 dollar variety is fun to you, might be.

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Actually they have mixers and masteres on there too. I have my doubts how deep of a mixing job ud get for 5 bucks, but again, im not a mixer or masterer, could be worth payin somebody to do it, they might have better stuff, or worse stuff, but you listen and learn

If you enjoy the mixing end, you do that yourself.

ANd people who make videos for your songs. Really a nice site. cant complain about it. The only downside i see is running into a string of people who arent good. whereas this guy got lucky, the bass player alone was probably worth 20 bucks for what he did.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Lol, cool video!

Q? Why did that take 6 weeks?

I've often wondered, on every songwriting site I've ever been a member of for the last 20yrs, why more people aren't doing precisely what's in that video... JUST FOR FUN!?!


Wouldn't you at least say that "business" gets in the way of creativity? Unless you already have a complete song/lyrics/arrangement that you want professionally recorded/produced a specific way... isn't charging someone just to "ad-lib" at the creative level kinda' putting the cart before the horse? Especially if nobody knows you?


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Ahemm... What's stopping us from forming a complete song right now... right here... for free? THEN send it to Fiverr...

Yep, stupid me...


Confrontational...? Really?

How is it even possible that you're missing my point?

"THEN...."
"THEN send it to Fiverr..."

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LMAOO...How is it possible YOU are missing the point.

Fiverr=paying money for services... It dont get more simpler than that

Does money get in the way of creativity? Studio musicians have been making a living creating on the spot for artists, in the studio since the beginning of recorded music. The elite ones, the guys who go around from artist to artist ,Steve Lukather, Steve Gadd, get paid big bucks to create on cue.

Is fiverr at that level? No, they dont even have a way of measuring the players, but listening verse the price tag should be your guide.

We have to assume that the folks on there are at least experienced enough to be able to charge for their playing. Im sure there are many who stink and say "I cant believe somebody paid me 5 bucks for my crap xylophone part" But musicians are very capable of creating music from other music. The more experience you have....how to play on an americana song, how to play on a funk song, how to play on a Elton John song, how to play on a Garth Brooks song, how to compliment the melody, and lock in with the other players, is a skill that people pay you for.

And then again, should somebody who DOESNT know you play for free with you? You have to listen to their previous work to see what they are caoable of. 5 dollar investment is not going to break the bank.

And they are not adlibing, they are using your music, song, hooks, melody as a guide in which to build their part around...if they know what they are doing.

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Here is the upper echelon site and the player I was talkin. This guy played several session for me/my band when I was 19, 20 years old. He came in, i wrote a sheet with the chords, he says "oh'...put it down but never looked at it." I guess once he heard it he knew the key, he basicly played in time with it, changing as the chords may have changed, Granted, it wasnt a Frank Zappa piece, simple folk rock, but still, incredble ear.

I remember him grillin me a bit.... are all your songs in the same key? No, but almost all,,, lol. WTF im 19, pronably wrote this when i was 17, cut me some slack. Think he was trying to push me a little

I doubt he remembers me as i said, hes worked with some top people by now, and i can claim he played on my stuff for 20 bucks! The engineer at the time was a friend of his, said come down, play a few pentatonics and your done. He gave me a bonafied Clarence Clemons vibe, only probably more polished, some songs were too loungy for what I wanted, but hed come in and knock off 3 songs for 20 25 bucks. Never get that rate again!

This is what a master on sax is, even if nobody really knows you.

Incredible musician. https://soundbetter.com/profiles/331097-bob-magnuson

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Hey Fdem!
I was a bass player for 30 years but bass is played differently now than it used to be.
I haven't touched it for 3 years unless some local band asked me to step in.


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well i was never a fan of slap bass or any of that. Entwistle changed how the bass was played back in the 60's.

But i wouldnt be looking for Geddy Lee or Chris Squire. Just somebody who really knows how to support a song. Technically, im a bass player too, i know how its played, its basicly a low guitar, but i like bass to be part of the song, not just a boom

I just like, if going to hire somebody, to have somebody who plays that instrument. I could take a shot at all instruments, i can program drums, i can even play drums halfway decent, dont have a kit right now. I can wing my way on bass and worse so on piano, keyboards as pad, fine. I can play lines on a keyboard for sax, harmnica, violin, banjo, just as a sketch, but if i decide to do something the right way id be lookin to have it played by people who play it.

For demos and most cicrumstances i probably wont need it, but maybe if one or two songs stand out i will.

Really in the end, if you half ass bass, half ass, piano, half ass strings, and sax and the like, that's aot of half assin....

If i release a cd or single, ill use real folks, time will tell

Thanks for letting me know, keep you in my mental roledex of would be players.




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Any new Fivrr stories?


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Any new Fivrr stories?

I use a sax player (doubles on clarinet). His name is Patricio Bottcher. Probably used this man 20 times. I've never been disappointed with him. Pro, all the way.

Best, John smile

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WOW! Who would have funk it? I am looking for actual players who are set up to record and share files to create music. Right now I am using Band in a Box and I love what I can do in the form of demos but would really love to connect with real live players to take said demo(s) and use them as a guide to what I hear and then do what they do best. Please let me know what you know. smile


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That would be interesting, Brian. Any takers?


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I used Fivrr once for some art work. Delivered on time and within specs. Used airgigs before for song production. I first heard about airgigs here where a comment recommended a producer. Don’t remember his name, tho, but his full production was $250. His samples sounded very good.


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