Who's Online Now
19 registered members (JAPOV, Guy E. Trepanier, CTthomas, couchgrouch, Andy K, beechnut79, Gavin Sinclair, Deej56, 2 invisible), and 410 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
Posts: 35
Joined: November 2012
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
Take a look at me now. (Vic, Geneva and Travis col
by Guy E. Trepanier. 05/11/21 08:18 PM
i'm not over you
by Guy E. Trepanier. 05/11/21 08:03 PM
Musical Challenge for Lyricists/Vocalists
by niteshift. 05/11/21 07:08 PM
Music Business A Little Slow...
by JAPOV. 05/11/21 05:11 PM
Life Goes On (Miss me when I'm gone)
by JAPOV. 05/11/21 04:16 PM
Desire to Connect
by MFB III. 05/11/21 12:11 PM
"An Ode To Gatherings And Passages."
by MFB III. 05/11/21 12:07 PM
When You.....?
by MFB III. 05/11/21 12:05 PM
Melancholy Blues.
by MFB III. 05/11/21 12:01 PM
Restless Feet
by beechnut79. 05/11/21 11:58 AM
Monday Morning Flu
by beechnut79. 05/11/21 11:45 AM
by beechnut79. 05/11/21 11:40 AM
"Home" lyrics
by beechnut79. 05/11/21 11:38 AM
Latest tune "Home" would love feedback
by Val Davis. 05/11/21 08:27 AM
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:53 AM
It Is Done
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:48 AM
The Request
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:44 AM
Throwing A Pity Party
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:42 AM
::: Today Is A Good Day :::
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:36 AM
LOVES me, LOVES me not. Vic
by Travis david. 05/11/21 06:32 AM
Truth is a Midnight Train
by couchgrouch. 05/10/21 08:59 PM
Covid in Fiji - An update
by niteshift. 05/10/21 08:54 PM
Lvstrm Cncrt 5-14-2021, New Eng. Sngwrtrs Retrt
by Gary E. Andrews. 05/10/21 06:04 PM
Lvstrm Cncrt 5-14-2021, New Eng. Sngwrtrs Retrt
by Gary E. Andrews. 05/10/21 06:02 PM
Livstrm Cncrt 5/14/2021. New Eng. Sngwrtrs
by Gary E. Andrews. 05/10/21 06:00 PM
The Ditty Bop Bar-n-Grill
by MFB III. 05/10/21 04:25 PM
by Marc Barnette. 05/10/21 08:03 AM
My birthday today - please help?
by Marc Barnette. 05/09/21 01:41 PM
by CTthomas. 05/09/21 10:48 AM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,839
Travis david 12,152
Kevin Emmrich 10,938
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,944
glynda 8,683
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 7,977
Colin Ward 7,909
Corey 7,357
Vicarn 6,767
Mark Kaufman 6,588
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
ben willis 6,111
niteshift 5,792
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,666
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
Roy Cooper 4,262
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,179
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,130
nightengale 4,096
MFB III 3,963
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,822
beechnut79 3,763
Dan Sullivan 3,710
E Swartz 3,656
Fdemetrio 3,626
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Sunset Poet 3,186
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
Nigel Quin 2,865
MidniteBob 2,760
Nelson 2,616
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,242
Judy Hollier 2,232
Wendy D 2,226
Erica Ellis 2,202
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,034
maccharles 2,000
DukeWill 1,988
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,652
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
GocartMoz 1,552
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,473
Tom Franz 1,473
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,429
Kenneth Cade 1,429
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,408
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Deej56 1,372
JAPOV 1,357
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,294
DakLander 1,265
Gerry 1,265
lane1777 1,254
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,174
Diane Ewing 1,158
IronKnee 1,087
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
9ne 1,015
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
Juan 797
ant 786
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
ckiphen 748
Andy K 747
Andy Kemp 741
tbryson 737
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Irwin 687
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Moosesong 668
Pat Hardy 667
Katziis 652
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
R&M 606
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 512
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
Alek 369
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
ddreuter 341
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 292
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
pomeranj 289
Char 286
ktunes 285
mastrose 280
pammie 279
pd 277
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1161799 - 02/24/20 08:16 PM DISCUSS: Are agents locking up venues in your town  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 454
Jeff Epstein Offline
Top 500 Poster
Jeff Epstein  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 454
Manchester, NH
I'm getting bugged finding more and more restaurants are just turning their music over to a local agency, and booking the artists from their roster. If I inquire about sending in a demo, participating in an open mic, etc. I'm told, no, you have to be with Agency X or you can't get a booking at that place. Of course, I pitch the agency and am told, "Sorry, we have all the artists we can use, thanks."

Is this a thing now? Agencies have always been part of the game, but I thought they competed along with bands and artists pitching themselves. Restaurants with live music are declining anyway, so I wonder if the net effect is for one agency to essentially lock up an entire market!

Is anybody tracking this as a trend across regions or the nation? I feel like I need an education on this, how about you?

#1161831 - 02/26/20 04:11 AM Re: DISCUSS: Are agents locking up venues in your town [Re: Jeff Epstein]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,364
Brian Austin Whitney Offline
Brian Austin Whitney  Offline

Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,364
Indianapolis, IN USA
It's been a problem for a while. Live Nation put a stranglehold on venue performance slots/opps for quite some time because they controlled the only established music clubs in town. Sadly the area of town where all the best clubs were down several blocks all together got turned into DJ/Playlist only dance clubs. 4 clubs in a row that used to feature Country, Urban, Folk/Singer Songwriters and Rock Bands all because discos. This was in the 2000-20005 time frame. It killed people's urge to see live music and those clubs mostly all failed and as the neighborhood completely gentrified, all the artists moved to affordable places and the entire scene just disappeared.

What you are describing sounds like a smart entrepreneur decided to band a collection of artists together and represent them and he has cornered the market. What you need is a competitor. It would require getting some bankable artists (people who can fill venues) who only work for your agency and then go and compete. Find out what they are offering. My guess is he has vetted high quality artists and come up with standardized fees etc. so it makes it super easy for the venue to book an artist who will please their crowds and often will boost their door traffic. Those are things artists have to be doing to compete these days and frankly always should have been doing.

I think you can beat em, but you have to go to battle with a winning hand.


Brian Austin Whitney
Just Plain Folks
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney
Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney

"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..."

[Linked Image]
#1162094 - 03/06/20 03:55 PM Re: DISCUSS: Are agents locking up venues in your town [Re: Jeff Epstein]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 51
Frank Porter Offline
Serious Contributor
Frank Porter  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 51
Bethlehem, PA USA
Itís happening in the Lehigh Valley. Between agents locking up venues and the group of area musicians not wanting to let outsiders like myself (a home owner in the area for 17 years now) in to their scene. A few of them have been helping me and in a few cases some special area music scene heavy hitters have been helping me now and then.

Visit http://www.frankporteracoustic.com for updated CD, gig and other music related information.
#1174407 - 03/01/21 09:42 AM Re: DISCUSS: Are agents locking up venues in your town [Re: Jeff Epstein]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,364
Marc Barnette Offline
Top 50 Poster
Marc Barnette  Offline
Top 50 Poster

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,364
Nashville, Tn.
This is something that is not new. Pretty much every area in music has always had agents that controlled their territory It's sort of why there are agents to begin with. You can go back to the 40's, 50's, 60's etc. and find that there were always companies like the WILLIAM MORRIS AGENCY that territorially controlled everything. For a venue owner, it makes sense as they have a lot of things going on ,so having an agency that weeds out people makes sense.

The problem you are really having is the amount of artists that are trying to do this now. Before the Internet, there was usually a pecking order and ways to work yourself up, before you could get an agent, and some form of abilty was needed. Now it is an "EVERYBODY CAN DO IT" world. Millions of people have been put into the pipeline, so there is an enormous logjam.

But you really need to know what is nessasary now. A FOLLOWING. If you can demonstrate you can put people into seats, eat, drink, populate the venue you will get some attention. Probably the agency will want to book you. But till you can do that, even the best agency is going to be hard pressed to include you and the venues will probably not put you in anyway.

There are a lot of problems now. Covid is the obvious one. More and more venues have completely closed or have no abilty to have customers in the first place. Many will never re-open. People are also less inclined to even go out right now, or even can in many areas. Then, the increased competition, less incentive to pay for anything, the advent of open mic, karaoke nights where amatuers or the audience have taken over as the entertainment. Not to mention increased costs of operating a place to begin with are really taking their toll on live music in general.

What you might look at is trying to find the places that are doing live music, and see if you can sit in. There is nothing like a live audition and actually meeting and interacting with the owner or manager. It is sort of like worming your way in and not easy to do, but it does happen. Sometimes venues might allow someone toward the end of the night to get up, do a song or songs, during a break or with the permission of the act sometimes they might suggest they come in early. Sometimes not, sometimes they do. Just have to take a chance.

But basically you really have to understand that all the landscape of music has changed forever. That is why reality television shows, contests, etc. have come into being. It's mostly a younger person's game.

You need to make sure you do your own "off the field" work. Make sure you have a good following of friends, family, people that will show up to support you so that you can tell the venues you are going to help their bottom line. That is really what they are in business for. Show them you can do that and you'll get some bookings.


Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.

Newest Members
websiteee, kanes333, lesleedp, totalctrl, fowler47
21335 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Average Posts Daily26
Most Online37,523
Jan 25th, 2020
Just Plain Quotes
"Some problems are really just blessings with strings attached." -Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0