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Hello !
I need a lyric writer for my song.

( it will be a 50/50 royalty share )

Here’s the music with the melody sung by me:


Song Idea

The song idea is about me visiting my hometown where I was born and raised by my dear parents. They are still alive.
Please write only the first verse and first chorus.
An important thing is that the lyric should fit like a perfect glove on the melody and is easy to sing.

Please send me your first verse and chorus per private message

I will close the thread in 10 days,
I collect all proposals and if there is a lyric that suits, I let you know and you can complete your lyric

Thanks for your proposals in advance.

Cheers, Steve Sledge

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My name is Steve Sledge , living in Hamburg/Germany and write songs since 2004 with many lyric writers from USA .
( always 50/50 copyright split for the songs )

Last year I released my first album „Steve Sledge Vol 1“ on iTunes , Spotify ,Amazon , Youtube and so on.

I‘m planning my second album at the moment. ( with this song too ) in general I would also be willing to write songs for major artists, but I've only managed to do that once in Germany so far.

With two songs I‘m in a publisher contract in Hamburg. ( Stringkiller music )

One song is release at The Orchard :

The Orchard

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I've heard your music, and I remember you from other site.

Some good tracks, but my advice for this project would be to write it yourself. Who could write a song better about going back to your hometown where your parents are, than yourself? Being that people would have to write lyrics to your melody, they probably won't write a better lyric than you could anyway!

Nobody does you better than you.

Now if the hometown had gone downhill from when you grew up, there's alot of songs about that

This by the boss is pretty darned nailed.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0DJZJ9RBVs

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I've heard your music, and I remember you from other site.

Some good tracks, but my advice for this project would be to write it yourself. Who could write a song better about going back to your hometown where your parents are, than yourself? Being that people would have to write lyrics to your melody, they probably won't write a better lyric than you could anyway!

Nobody does you better than you.

Now if the hometown had gone downhill from when you grew up, there's alot of songs about that

This by the boss is pretty darned nailed.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0DJZJ9RBVs


writing down my memories is certainly possible. But writing a good song lyric is a special craft. You have to be able to do this. I need a co-writer.


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lol, i know its a skill.....but Most lyric people can't write to melodies.

Let them post them here, you won't get anything good.

I could come up with something for you , but why am I writing a lyric about your hometown?

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What was your hometown like? Where is it? Do you want to name it? Looking for vague reference that could be about any hometown, or specific to you ?

Is it country setting, city setting? Is it some place you wanna go back and stay, or just happy to see again. Is there a girl still there that you remember?

Is it cold, warm, mountains, beaches?

Its not just about writing words its saying something.

Your melody won't allow for a story , what do you want your chorus to say? Any idea for a hook?

just the idea of going back home?

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now I understand what you mean - Well, I may not have made myself very clear. The song shouldn't be about MY hometown. Lyrics are fictive many times, so this one too.
The lyricwriter can be free in writing what he thinks about a guy visiting his hometown

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One of the things that have become harder for modern day writers is feeling like they are being "put into a box"with something that is existing, be it an existing lyric or existing music track. There was a time when all songs had at least two writers on them. One would be a lyricist, one a composer. The era of the Gershwins, Bernie and Elton, etc. it was quite normal to have people that just did one thing.

That mostly ended in the 60's and 70's as most people became self contained. Then you would have people that did both. Nowadays you almost can't find anyone that "ONLY" writes one thing.

The rule of thumb in my hometown of Nashville is "The less finished something is, the more of a chance it has to be worked on. There are just not that many people accomplished at doing only one thing and the ones that can really are not interested in writing to something already finished.

So you might be better served to send pieces of songs, snippets, a general verse and chorus pattern, and then allow someone to take that and turn it into their own song. It is also easier if you can give details such as you have been asked, that might be used as information in a song. When writing about a home town, writers can use their own and it's sort of an "hometown anywhere" sort of thing. But they need information first to do that. Since you are the one requesting the help, its incumbent upon you to help the other person and give them information as to what you are looking for. The Devil is always in the details, so I would encourage you to be as descriptive as you can be. You are also working with another issue, in that you are from a different country. There are going to be language issues cultural issues, that might not be able to be resolved. It seems easier than it is. Always looks good on paper. Not always that easy in reality.

Doing anything that is finished and you say "Here, write to this" is going to be a pretty iffy hit or miss situation." And most people who are quality are probably going to pass on it to begin with. I wish you luck, but you might want to find that "less is more."
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Marc is correct of course, but there may be variables depending on the context of each situation. (LOL that sounded very professor-like!)
I thought the request interesting enough to give it a shot, for my own benefit as well as, (possibly) for Steve's. Whether he uses my lyric isn't as important to me as the challenge.
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Steve, I sent you a PM.

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Originally Posted by Craig Allen
Steve, I sent you a PM.

I have'nt received a PM from you ...


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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
One of the things that have become harder for modern day writers is feeling like they are being "put into a box"with something that is existing, be it an existing lyric or existing music track. There was a time when all songs had at least two writers on them. One would be a lyricist, one a composer. The era of the Gershwins, Bernie and Elton, etc. it was quite normal to have people that just did one thing.

That mostly ended in the 60's and 70's as most people became self contained. Then you would have people that did both. Nowadays you almost can't find anyone that "ONLY" writes one thing.

The rule of thumb in my hometown of Nashville is "The less finished something is, the more of a chance it has to be worked on. There are just not that many people accomplished at doing only one thing and the ones that can really are not interested in writing to something already finished.

So you might be better served to send pieces of songs, snippets, a general verse and chorus pattern, and then allow someone to take that and turn it into their own song. It is also easier if you can give details such as you have been asked, that might be used as information in a song. When writing about a home town, writers can use their own and it's sort of an "hometown anywhere" sort of thing. But they need information first to do that. Since you are the one requesting the help, its incumbent upon you to help the other person and give them information as to what you are looking for. The Devil is always in the details, so I would encourage you to be as descriptive as you can be. You are also working with another issue, in that you are from a different country. There are going to be language issues cultural issues, that might not be able to be resolved. It seems easier than it is. Always looks good on paper. Not always that easy in reality.

Doing anything that is finished and you say "Here, write to this" is going to be a pretty iffy hit or miss situation." And most people who are quality are probably going to pass on it to begin with. I wish you luck, but you might want to find that "less is more."
MAB


Thanks for your thoughts , Marc. The thing is, I'm a composer , Lyrics I don't write, so it's good to find someone - or more - who will do the complete song lyric. I've done this now with 70 songs since 17 years...and it's still great fun to make a complete song together. I began writing music to existing full song lyrics, but since years now I do it the opposite way, doin the music first. I know it's more difficult for a lyric writer to write for an exsiting music / melody. But I did some very nice songs with some very talented lyric writers .
So lets see what comes up here and I'm excited to widen my network with more writers


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Sorry about that Steve, let me see what I did wrong. I had a lyric idea, but looks like 9ne might work on it.

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Craig: it doesn't matter what I did, Steve may not find it suitable. I'm sure he's happy people show an interest. Send him yours.
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I do t understand why nobody can see the lyrics, are they that bad?

Based on the melody I hear, I don't expect anybody to write a strong lyric.

Anybody who does this, post the lyric here...it will be educational to us all, and will confirm that most lyricist can't write to existing melody . but yet that is how 90% of some of the great writers say they do it.

Just cause you can cram some words into the melody does t make the lyrics good....

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Obviously. The trick is working with someone else's idea and writing something that they would like to have written themselves. Why don't you give it a try, it only hurts a little bit....



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The melody did not speak to me of a home town it spoke of heart break and rain..

something like this.


A lonely man standing, rain is pouring down,
Alone in a lonely street, in a no place town.
No comfort in remembering, all he sees is loss,
Gloomy skies no future, where has the sunshine gone?

No-one ever answers,
Any of his questions why,
She’d already left him before he saw the signs.
Cars drift by like memories,
Each one brings new pain.
Soaking him in passing he’s crying in the rain.

Lights of a late night cafe, blink inviting him,
Another unseen shelter, from the bitter, icy wind,
A choking lump weighs heavy, where a lonely heart still beats,
It’s as empty as the beer can, rattling down the street

No-one ever answers,
Any of his questions why,
She had already left him before he saw the signs.
Cars drift by like memories,
Each one brings new pain.
Soaking him in passing he’s crying in the rain.

He’s blinded by self pity,
So bleak it’ll leave a stain
All he can see is darkness,
Can’t face the day,

No-one ever answers,
Any of his questions why,
She had already left him before he saw the signs.
Cars drift by like memories,
Each one brings new pain.
Soaking him in passing he’s crying in the rain.

He’s crying in the rain.




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Steve posted that he wanted a lyric or lyric idea PM’d to him, not post it here. But...I await the expert critiques on “Crying In the Rain.”

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Yeah but mine isn't really up for consideration because it is not the subject matter requested... this was more a response to Fdemetrio who asked for some to be posted here

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Noel not bad lyric, but that's not fitting the melody
You have more words than the melody has notes

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I wouldn't like to have this thread as an educational thing here because I would like to finish the song with someone I would like to do some more in the future . In the past I had some threads in songwriter forums and the writers really fighted against each other and this is what I wouldnt like to happen.
The second important point is that I can't really say anything professionally about the lyric e.g. whether it is strong or weak and whether it conforms to the rules of art of songwriting ( lyricwise ) The only thing I can judge is whether it has good hooks for me and whether I can sing it well with the melody.
So please PM me , and with just the first verse and a chorus , so that you don‘t invest too much effort in the first instance.
Please don‘t be offended , if I don‘t respond it just did‘t suit.

just one thing to say what my feelings were when I invented the melody and music . It was the time when I saw the movie series in Netflix called „raised by wolves“ and and if you listen to the song and maybe attract yourself to my glissandi violin strings and you have seen the movie you might get what my impressions where about Mum and Dad raising children.
The fact that Mum and Dad in the movie were androids doesnt matter so much , just that Mum was really superhuman protecting their children like I felt when I was a kid...

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Ok, just the way you did it reminded me of song challenges these forums used to do, I still have my doubts this particular one will spawn a good lyric. The melody uses short winded lines.

I do think the skill in lyric writing is saying alot with few words, that's the real gift, its just when you write to somebody else's melody , it places restraints, the focus becomes how do I squeeze words in here, while sounding coherent. Instead of writing. Most lyricists have all the freedom they want, use as many words as comfortable to say something, but that's why the songs don't come out good.

I still think this would be a good exercise, but i see what you want to do.

In my humble opinion, I think this style would work better where you use a track, and allow the lyric writer to create a melody too, that takes off some of the handcuffs. Still hard for most lyric only people.

Good luck!

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The thread is closed now


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Just curious, did you get the lyrics you were looking for.?


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