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Well OK, But does anybody care?
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Well OK, But does anybody care? I do. I think that it has been interesting for a long time.
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ahh geez.... If you play an A minor chord on the fifth fret. And pick the root and the octave... 4th string and 1st string.... That's the initial fingering for first note of stairway. Descend down on the root to g#, to g while playing other notes of minor chord, and thats the stair riff. It's easy to see somebody stumbling on that, i have ideas that could be just as interesting. I have one in c # where the bass maneuvers. I dont have any song close to stairways epic-ness, or a song that builds like that or a melody or musicianship like that. But Its not hard to see how somebody could come up with that initial riff. Im so sick of this suit, not that people dont deserve credit where credit was due, and if they really believe it was stolen, they should pursue it. But I dont think they are correct It's pretty vague, and there's does not sound THAT much like stairways opener, maybe a little bit, but as i said the rest of the song destroys theres. And they should really stop this non sense, because the Davy Graham Estate could sue both of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeejHJxGjsThis riff sounds way more similar. So the probablity is that, it's a common idea, that has been surfacing for a long time, and there are parts of classical music that sound similar. Its a frickon minor chord picking up and down. Now if somebody had a song with the same riff as heartbreaker, or Livin Lovin Maid, or Many more with a distinc melodic hook like that, id be more willing. This is just too vague and too common
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ahh geez.... If you play an A minor chord on the fifth fret. And pick the root and the octave... 4th string and 1st string.... That's the initial fingering for first note of stairway. Descend down on the root to g#, to g while playing other notes of minor chord, and thats the stair riff. It's easy to see somebody stumbling on that, i have ideas that could be just as interesting. I have one in c # where the bass maneuvers. I dont have any song close to stairways epic-ness, or a song that builds like that or a melody or musicianship like that. But Its not hard to see how somebody could come up with that initial riff. Im so sick of this suit, not that people dont deserve credit where credit was due, and if they really believe it was stolen, they should pursue it. But I dont think they are correct It's pretty vague, and there's does not sound THAT much like stairways opener, maybe a little bit, but as i said the rest of the song destroys theres. And they should really stop this non sense, because the Davy Graham Estate could sue both of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeejHJxGjsThis riff sounds way more similar. So the probablity is that, it's a common idea, that has been surfacing for a long time, and there are parts of classical music that sound similar. Its a frickon minor chord picking up and down. Now if somebody had a song with the same riff as heartbreaker, or Livin Lovin Maid, or Many more with a distinc melodic hook like that, id be more willing. This is just too vague and too common That's a lot of this and that, which in my opinion, rambles about and flies in the face of obvious simplicity. The two pieces do sound a good deal the same. That is why there have been two trials. It defies coincidence. It occurred in the same time period. There was very clear and specific access. Instinctively, I suspect that the question in most jurors minds was not whether or not it was lifted and whether or not Stairway would have never occurred except for Taurus. I suspect that the question was....even if Page did lift the tune, did he change it enough to where it was not actionable? The same thing applies to the architectural world which I know more about. The first trial was declared flawed. We shall see.
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I could take you to trial for stealing one of my songs. That doesnt make it a true claim. I could keep insisting that your song was stolen from me and take you to court several times, none of that validates it. I could try to sue several artists whose songs i heard on the radio were similar to mine, but, id have no chance. The person who counts in the trial is the music expert, not the jury. A jury can come together on a murder trial or other crime, but what in the hell do they know about music? The music expert deemed that the music borrowed heavily from classical music. And why are you ignoring Davy Graham? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeejHJxGjsWay more similar to stairway. If you agree its pretty darn similar, it kind of negates Tauras' claim. There's millions involved, i get that, that's why it wont go away.
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I could take you to trial for stealing one of my songs. That doesnt make it a true claim. I could keep insisting that your song was stolen from me and take you to court several times, none of that validates it. I could try to sue several artists whose songs i heard on the radio were similar to mine, but, id have no chance. The person who counts in the trial is the music expert, not the jury. A jury can come together on a murder trial or other crime, but what in the hell do they know about music? The music expert deemed that the music borrowed heavily from classical music. And why are you ignoring Davy Graham? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeejHJxGjsWay more similar to stairway. If you agree its pretty darn similar, it kind of negates Tauras' claim. There's millions involved, i get that, that's why it wont go away. If you have ever dealt with lawyers, gray things like this come down to a lot of trash and "experts" who play well to a jury and charge several hundred dollars an hour to figure out a way to say what the hiring lawyer wants them to. Here is what I think is going on...(the big picture)... For years the big acts and the big labels held pretty thorough control over the industry and who heard music because getting a good vinyl recording took a lot of expertise and money. In order to minimize their risk, they used their influence and lobbyists to make it so that they and their artists could steal ideas pretty much at will, make a couple of changes, and be untouchable...because of the costs of litigation and the vageness in copyright law application. In fact, it wasn't even "theft." But the theft has been too blatant for too long and in the internet age, things are shifting somewhat towards the writer's so robbed...if they have access to the lawyers and the money to take it forward. Blurred Lines and Taurus are examples of that. It will never be perfect. It will always be stacked in favor of who has position and cash. And while you and I, internet commenters, have our opinion of things...someone has decided to throw out a trial and go again. Might be something to it. I choose to assume that there is.
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The something to it, is that its worth tens of millions of dollars, if not more. Please listen to Davys song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeejHJxGjs
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Maybe. On the other hand, that is the cliche'd dismissal of most everything that the dismisser doesn't agree with. I dunno. Don't waste time on me. Write the judge and tell him to throw it out. Send him the link.
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Because I suggested another song was involved, you dont want to hear it.
does the word stubborn mean anything to you? LOLLLLLL
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I probably will listen to it. Just not now. I doubt that it matters what the song sounds like in relation to the Stairway case, except to you. We are just a couple of obscure internet commenters. Enjoy the discourse, but I suggest not getting too wrapped up in it.
Now take the last word. Or maybe I can do it for you...
"NO, YOU take the last word."
Does that work?
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You brought it up chief. Ray said who cares, you said you did.
LOLLLLLLL
Id say Led Zeppelin will survive win or lose, but they will win.
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You brought it up chief. Ray said who cares, you said you did.
LOLLLLLLL
Id say Led Zeppelin will survive win or lose, but they will win. I do care, in that it is interesting to me. It's about songs and copyrights. This is a song site. I can't say that I see your opinion of it as all that interesting or credible. Please don't be to upset by that. Not that big of a deal in any case.
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And, you're opinion is fascinating? Remember who started the thread.
I see a pattern Marty, where if somebody doesnt agree with you, you get out of the conversation fast, and it's not valid.
You have the last word.
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ber who started the thread.
I see a pattern Marty, where if somebody doesnt agree with you, you get out of the conversation fast, and it's not valid.
Got me. Nuthin' gets by you.
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