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I was telling my wife this morning that somebody is going to figure out HOW to tap into the HUGE 77 Million Music Loving Boomers. She said that all the middle to older folks want to listen to is the oldie songs of their past. I don't agree with her. WE ( I'm 68 ) grew up with The Beatles, Stones etc. We are GREAT Pop and Rock Fans but the songs that we are exposed to on Video and Radio are not about us. They are about younger people and there is NOTHING wrong with that. BUT...IF there was a place where songs were heard that were put out by older singer songwriters and bands Boomers would buy the songs. We are more interested in More Mature songs then this Friday Night. I'm sure that I'm not the only Older Singer songwriter or band that is writing killer songs that can't find our target audience because we don't have access to them and they can't find us. Check out this little story I wrote below. Does anybody have any ideas as SOMEBODY is going to make a fortune eventually. BOOMERS are HUGE music fans but there is not much NEW that we can relate to. I listen to all the new songs and like a lot of them though so I'm not saying anything negative about them.



BARRY & THE BOOMERS
barrydbutler channel on youtube to find songs
bdbutler@centurylink.net
Chapter 1
Madison Square Garden 2015
Eighteen thousand expectant fans sit restlessly at the famous Madison Square Garden in New York City. They’re all there to see the new sensation called BARRY & THE BOOMERS”. Apparently they’re a bunch of old guys who play Great Original Music. How they got here today is a long and winding road but the important thing is that they are HERE. Nobody has seen these guys LIVE anywhere before, but they have seen their Music Video “WE’RE INVISIBLE”. The song was number one on the Billboard Pop and Rock charts for 50 weeks straight. Since then they have been the talk of the Industry. They’ve done no interviews and nobody knows if they even exist. The Band Members were not show on the video.
The hype has been going on now for about a year and nobody including this writer knows what to expect.
All of a sudden some old guy who looks like a 1960’s hippie slowly walks on the stage with a Fender Stratocaster slunk over his shoulder like an old gunslinger. He’s kind of hunched over and slowly walks over to eight Marshall Stacks Amps piled 20 feet in the air. He has unruly gray hair and looks like he should be a spokesman for Visine.
Next a fat old guy walks to his drum kit which is on a platform 30 feet high. He has two burly guys helping him and he has one of those oxygen things in his nostrils. He looks like he should be playing shuffle board and Nate’s Retirement Home.
Then a guy who is clearly in his early 70’s comes out on a wheel chair. He has a small funny looking Bass Guitar like the one Paul used to use, you know the one that looks like a violin. He is sitting their tuning his guitar and quite frankly looks quite disheveled and out of sorts.
Next three gray haired hippies come out with their horns. They’re wearing Hawaiian Shirts and are hilarious looking. They are smiling and look like they are having a great time. He Guys “Where’s the Baby Boom Cruise, I think you missed it. What a hoot. These guys have to be kidding. These guys will be lucky to make it to the intermission.
The keyboard player comes out next and is actually using a walker to get around the stage. He has long straggly hair down to his waist and has a huge peace sign hanging around his neck. A sign behind his stack of keyboards says “Make Love Not War”. I don’t think these guys could do either. I feel as if I’m watching an episode of the Twilight Zone. Off to one side of the stage sits an ambulance and two paramedics at the ready. Never know when one of these clowns will have a heart attack or stroke and drop dead.
Still no Barry!
The crowd is now all a twitter and starting to laugh hysterically. This must be some kind of a joke. They are yelling that they want refunds and are just getting unruly and agitated.
All of a sudden the lights went off and the audience quiets down. I can’t see right in front of my face. The drum starts pounding and a red light from someplace is shining down on him. It was a thunderous sound and you couldn’t hear yourself think.
Next the guy on the bass guitar starts to play a menacing bass line.
The volume is massive and pulsation and just these two old guys are making the entire Garden Vibrate. All of a sudden these two don’t look so old anymore.
Then as if a space ship just took off that little guy with the Fender Guitar stroked one power chord that literally made my teeth rattle. These three guys were in a hell of a groove and it was powerful.
Next the Sax, Trumpet and Trombone joined in. Wow.
The keyboards came in next and the house was rockin and swayin. I looked around at the crowd. A few minutes ago they were yelling to get their money back and now they were mesmerized at what was happening on the stage. The keyboard player was playing this amazing ethereal music that fell right in line with the rest of the amazing band.
Still no Barry!
Then the lights go off again. There is tremendous anticipation from the audience as they are stomping their feet and swaying to this pulsating music. The audience is made up of all ages. All of a sudden these guys don’t look or sound old anymore. We’re all just caught up in the mystery and power of the night.
After a few minutes of this the lights come back on and Barry is center stage and singing his huge hit “WE’RE INVISIBLE”. But they are not invisible anymore I can tell you that. The oxygen is gone from the drummer’s nose and no wheel chairs anywhere in sight. The walker was kicked to the side of the stage and this band was just rocking.
They sang 13 songs from their upcoming Album “IT AIN’T OVER TILL IT’S OVER”. As of now only their single was released. The songs were wonderful. They touched all kinds of landscapes of people’s lives. On one song Barry just went over to the Baby Grand and sang by himself.
Barry didn’t talk or introduce the Band so they still remain mysterious. They came out for three encores and when it was over it was over. The lights went black and when they came on again Barry & The Boomers were gone.
These guys were turned down by every record company. Their single “WE’RE INVISIBLE” went viral from a self produced Song and Video placed on you tube. They were told that they should go home and play golf. Too old they were told, nobody would want to hear a bunch of old fogy’s like you guys and your songs don’t sound like what’s on the radio.
Well history was made tonight. These guys changed the rules of the game. They won’t need a record company now. I must confess that as a music critic and journalist who is up in years I was very excited and pleasantly surprised as to what happened here tonight. BARRY & THE BOOMERS rocked the house tonight I for one was very proud of MY Generation.
I understand that they are preparing for world tour and. It will be sponsored by and Prep H and Tums. They are already Spokesmen for AARP and Metamucil.
They are forming their own Label called “SOCIAL SECURITY RECORDS” and will be on the lookout for some Older Talent…lol

NOW PLAY THE SONG. I WENT INTO A COMA IN 1972.
THE SONG WILL TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

WOULD MAKE A GOOD BROADWAY MUSICAL Maybe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joiP6sEFIbA

Barry...

I hear ya! I'm just a year or so younger than you...be 67 pretty soon. And I agree that from a musical point of view, that it's a largely untapped market. I could be wrong about that...perhaps they are being served adequately with new music reflective of the era and I'm just not aware.

In many segments of the American Society, Boomers are the largest, or one of the largest, demographic groups with substantial disposable income. I'm sure you've seen more than a few of those two or three inch gray ponytails! Those cashed-in 401-Ks have provided a bit of financial stability for many folks in that group.

Today's "Boomers" tend to be very nostalgic, as they grew up in an era that many folks believe to be one of the richest musical times in our history. I played almost exclusively Country music at that time...it was very easy to get a job anywhere I lived by playing lead guitar on the Country music scene...but I listened to a lot of Rock and Pop music of the 50's, 60's and 70's. It is my opinion...could be wrong, though...that there are more songs from that era considered to be classics than any other era. You had the Big Band Pop music prior to early Rock and many othose songs are classics too, but I think the classics of the 60's and 70's are significantly prevelant today.

I have written a few originals reflective of that era. I think one thing that makes "new" music of the 60's sound somewhat different is the recording eqipment and techniques we use now. The sounds back then was more raw and less refined. Many of them almost sounded like Garage Bands. I always thought many of Chuck Berrys recordings sound almost ameturish...but the music and/or the lyric carried it anyway. Almost everything was analog back then and it's digital today. That does make a difference with the sound. Also, I do not like digital reverb at all...especially on vocals. It sounds flat and dry...no "air" or warmth. My wife and I actually sing through my Peavey Nashville 112 guitar amp. Love that spring reverb! But, I think we get a real nice tone, fullness and warmth in our vocals. Most people are shcoked when we tell them how we do our vocal recordings!

But, after all that, I agree with you about the "Boomers" being a market with a lot of potential for someone with the skill, money and desire to tackle it. Advertising on the "minor" cable channels and late night advertising like the old K-Tel records might be an excellent way to promote the "new" old rock...as long as there was enough music to make it worthwhile. It would take a lot of effort to amass enough music. You would need to emulate the sounds of the girls groups (Sherrells, Chiffons, Supremes, etc.); the Pop R&B/MoTown groups (Temptations, Four Tops, Barry While, Al Greene, etc.); the Pop Rockers (Bobby Sherman, Tom Jones, Petula Clark, Dusty Springfied, etc.); your hard rockers (The Stones, The Animals, etc.); the longhairs (Iron Butterfly, Kinks, Creme, Three Dog Night, etc.); Pop Country acts (Roger Miller, Skeeter Davis, Sandy Posey, etc.); the smoothies (Bobby Vinton, Andy Williams, etc.); so on and so on. And then you have all the groups of the 70's, such as Stix, Foreigner, Kansas, Genesis, ELO, REO Speedwagon, Crosby Stills & Nash, Abba, Chicago, Motely Crewe, Black Sabbath, Doobies, etc. Without a good mix, and quite bit of it, I don't think you would reach enough cross-section of the Boomers to make it viable. It would have to be a hell of an undertaking! It could start with four or five CD's with a good sample/mix, but it would have to expand to keep the momentum.

For a person with the resource, financial and musical, I think there might be a reward for the investment...some sort of musical consortium working together to create and then promote the music might be the way to go. But that's quite a chore and steep hill to climb!

Anyway, those are my long-winded, possibly misguided, thoughts about your post. BTW, enjoyed your story! I'm an author in addition to being a musician. I have one book on Amazon and three on the way...two next year and one the following year or at the end of next year.

Best to ya...

Al

PS:

Here are links to a few songs Di and I have written that are reflective of the era (60's and 70's), if you're interested.

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11642647

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11953507

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11122170

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12080506

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12388315

Hi Barry,

Many of the artists, at least those still living, who had fans going back to the 60's are STILL making music, filling concert halls etc. We just saw Elton John in Vegas with my 21 y/o Son who had never seen him but LOVED it and he's a Metal Head. However, for that "style" of music to be attractive, they have to have hits that people still love that make them remember their lives. I still choose to listen mostly to music from when I was 10-30 and during our recent cross country tour we had Sirius/XM on the 80's channel which features the 5 original MTV VJ's who we grew up with in high school, college etc. And just when I say "that was the BEST music ever" I could flip over to the 50's, 60's, 70's, 90's, 00's and go.. WOW.. there's always been good songs when you hear the best of the best together in one place and even the most recent decade the 00's had lots of songs I liked, but not as much as I LOVED my 80's songs. I used to play them in bands, I used to mimic their production, I also realized that much of the music I recorded in the late 80's and 90's sound like what is on radio now, I even had a few with raps back then in the early 80's when it was still new and fresh to my middle and high school ears.

People love the ACTUAL music they heard from pre-teen to 30 the most. It's been proven through sales figures and radio format successes with each demographic etc. But people want the ACTUAL same exact songs they fell in love to, got over a break up to, did every coming of age thing, good, bad and ugly while they played in the background of our lives. For me, the 80's will always rule. I may enjoy other stuff, but those particular songs will mean the most, save a few each year of the JPF stuff I also fall in love with and which remind me of my crazy years out on the road meeting all that talent, good, bad and ugly.

Brian

Hey AL....Thanks for the response.
I don't want to emulate any other era but NOW. I feel the I AM RELEVANT to today's Sound. More than the music I feel the subject matter should relate more to people over 45 or so. AND I am Barry & The Boomer....

Nobody in the BIZZ will give anybody older a fair shot because they feel their market is under 35.

Groups like Barry & the Boomers who can really Play, WRITE and sing could change the paradyme.
Just my opinion.
Boomers love Music. I don't listen to the songs of the past and neither does my 72 year old wife. We listen to today's music but feel the subject matter could be more to our lives and not to the next Friday night.
Barry barrydbutler channel on youtube

I agree BUT I feel that NEW Older Great Bands who write Great NEW songs about the Lives of people over 45 is a HUGE Market. I believe that the main reason that most boomers listen to the older songs is that there is NO Access or visibility to any New Songs by NEW BANDS and Singer Songwriters creating New Songs Today. If they were exposed to bands like BARRY & THE BOOMERS with great songs they would buy the songs.
BTW....Barry & The Boomers is MY Fantasy band and I believe that I could pull it off. Many other very talented older Singers, Bands and Singer Songwriters are around that could make a huge splash if they and their songs were exposed to people. It would be exciting to a lot of older Music Fans also.
Barry

It is quite a dream you have there -- good luck to you. Write great songs, perform them excellently and be very entertaining and you can find an audience.

Where do you play out now? If you don't play out, you had better get started -- time's a' wasting!

Brian is right. I still regularly attend Springsteen shows. He still sells out all over the world, but the fans are people who have grown up with him. They would not accept a new Springsteen, he is just a part of their youth, like visiting an old friend.

He still destroys most live performers half his age, and young people do get their minds blown, but to get them there in the first place is the trick.

Im not a fan of Blake Shelton really but he made a comment about old country buffs complaining about new country. He called thenm old farts and jackasses.

I do partially agree with him though when he says its not the old people who buy music, it's the young people. That's why its hard for an old fart to make music.

The old folk dont want anything new, they want the same classic rock and the beatles, the young folks like music from people close to their own age.

People do bring their young children to the shows, but the record buying public are teens and twenties.

Hey Bugsey......I don't agree on all they want is old songs.
There is NO Place to hear NEW SONGS by NEW OLDER Artists....There should be a BOOMER Youtube or something or a MTV for NEW OLDER Acts with Great new songs that touch the hearts and minds of people over 45....If They heard some and liked it they'd get the song. It would be exciting to ALL Boomers. WE are great music fans and have the money to buy new stuff. I don't want to hear New Springteen....I want NEW BANDS AND singer songwriters with Great NEW SONGS and Great Rock and Pop Bands.
BRING IT ON....
WE probably some right here on this site.
I am 68 and my wife is 72 and we listen to all the new music but most of the lyrics don't apply to us.....I'm not interested in what I'm going to do Friday Night....I'm more interested in what I'm going to do Early Monday Morning.....LOLOLOL.
Check out my Song WE'RE BARRY & THE BOOMERS AND WE'RE HERE TO ROCK at barrydbutler channel on youtube. Did you hear my song....THE WIFE HID MY TOOLS/BUSTED?


Barry

You're interested because you are a musician.

Especially today where music is just one of the many things people can do to pass time, at one time music and three channels on TV were all there was.

I mean, you could create a niche, start your own radio station with nothing but new music from old farts. Old farts might listen, young folks might listen to make fun of it, but chances that anybody buys any of that music are slim.

How much money could be in it, that's why you dont see it.

Can you imagine a 75 old woman saying "he's so dreamy, let me run to itunes and download this new smash hit!"

They just dont have the interest. They like old familar music
hey Im in my 40's and I feel that way sometimes.

You're probably right but a Guy can dream can't he.....lol
It would be a hoot to do it though.
77 Million Boomers is a big Market.
The story I wrote above about my Fantasy could be a Broadway Musical also.????
Barry

Long as it dont break the bank, give it a try, you'll at least have fun.

W.o.l.d. Where old is cool.

"if you build it, they will come"

"Antsy McClain And The Trailer Park Troubadours" are a perfect example of someone who's doing this already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UekI-9tioHc\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3L9G50cUeY

I suppose if Catholic Monks can do it, anything is possible!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcUQFt7c6kg

John Prine has also made a pretty good living from the "Boomers" as they call them.

A good friend of mine is half of a Simon and Garfunkel Tribute act. They are extremely good and play all over the country. Recently, they have been doing their show with major symphony orchestras backing them up in Atlanta, Houston, Dayton, etc. They pack the house with silver-haired boomers! In a few more years, they may not have an audience left. http://simonandgarfunkeltribute.com/

There are tons of boomers making new music. There are lots of people who listen, but they don't hang out in bars to do it. They may hear the music at festivals, flea markets, outdoor concerts, etc. They rarely buy CDs and hardly ever download the music. A good example of a group of musical boomers is the Parrot Head club in your town. They are older, often single, and listen to fun, escapist lyrics patterned after Jimmy Buffett's music. These boomers dream of living on a sandy beach with a margarita in hand. There are lots of musicians catering to that crowd. Find your own niche. The standard is pretty high - they won't get fooled again!

According to the RIAA, people over 45 are buying more music than any other age group.


http://76.74.24.142/CA052A55-9910-2DAC-925F-27663DCFFFF3.pdf

According to the RIAA, people over 45 are buying more music than any other age group.


I'm not questioning that statistic, just wondering where it came from. Would be interesting to know.

The last time I purchased a CD, I didn't have to give them my age.

John

Here's how it was compiled:

Data based on telephone survey of pastmonth
music buyers. For 2007 and 2008, to
better include younger and cellphone only
consumers in the survey, age/gender quotas
were utilized to match survey data with the
overall US population. For 2008, the
reliability of the data among 900+ past-month
music buyers is +/- 3.2% at a 95%
confidence level. With respect to genre,
consumers were asked to classify their music
purchases.

Doesn't state how many people were involved in the survey. I'm sure the statistics gathered from surveys can vary greatly from one survey group to another.

I'd be interested in finding out what particular music they're buying. Rap? Death metal?

I would bet those Time Life collections on TV are big sellers to the over 45 crowd. I was tempted to purchase one of those sets.

John

That's because most people under 45 are and for many always have gotten their music for free... most kids have 100's of thousands of free songs... why buy when it's free? Just because people don't talk about illegal file sharing (stealing) doesn't mean it has stopped... it has simply become the norm.

Few kids listen using CD's. Most use their phones. A 1 gig chip in your phone can hold a lot of free music. And anything you want to take a quick listen to is usually easily found on YouTube. If you wanted to you could just capture that right off there into an audio file and right onto your phone. Kids aren't working... you think they are going to shell out a dime for music when it is free?

But.. kids are the ones who are the coveted market for everything. 18-49 is where it is at. And most of those folks get it free. It'a used now often to sell you something else (i.e. filler between ads on radio).

You guys thinking there is big bucks to be made and thinking that people are going to come see you put on a show in a massive venue where even headline acts find it hard to swallow when they learn the cost of just using the building, really need to live in the ACTUAL world. It's really silly and a conversation that often takes place when people theorize about success in music without having to actually do it. After all, no one is stopping anyone from following this plan that no one had thought of before (like on this same board many times over the years) and get rich. I will cheer you on from the cheap seats.

Brian

IMHO this ever changing and evolving "Music Biz" is so tenuous now that I DO see success for anyone willing to put in the research, finances and legwork, to dive into this vast pool of "World" "Indie" "Alt" "Amateur".......and start directing traffic....so to speak.
There is a new evolution of music brewing right under the "Popular" music.....no ones figured out how to mine it yet,...but this blog is a good start. Thanks Barry.

This is Barry from BARRY & THE BOOMERS...LOL
This is going to be my first single.
Go Boomers!!!

"HARD TIMES ON MAINSTREET"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f73ZtDs07C4

You have to admit that the little story I made up with the group at Madison Square Garden pulled on your emotions.

Great Quote...
"Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.....lol
Every thought outside the box seems ridiculous until somebody does it and changes everything.
Barry

“You guys thinking there is big bucks to be made and thinking that people are going to come see you put on a show in a massive venue where even headline acts find it hard to swallow when they learn the cost of just using the building, really need to live in the ACTUAL world.”


Agreed. Here in God's Waiting Room (Florida), these geezers spend a nickle five times, and then want change back.
The only way you're going to fill a 'massive venue' with Q-Tips is if you're giving away free stuff.


“It's really silly and a conversation that often takes place when people theorize about success in music without having to actually do it.”


Agreed, but without delusional people, Musician's Friend, Sweetwater, Zzounds, et al wouldn't stay in business. For that matter, neither would sites like this one. I love delusional people. To paraphrase Barnum: There's one born every minute.

Hi Barry!

Funny that I read this upon just checking in today. Why? Because as you may not know, Mike Caro and I had recorded 13 songs for such a Baby Boomer Musical with the great iconic Producer in Mike Appel.

More funny: OK...It is Mike Appel's birthday today, and we talked on the phone for a while, (after I called him an ole goat)! I also did that to him on Facebook! LOL. Anyway, he told me one musical agent told him that his songs we recorded was TOO Rock! Too Baby Boomer style! LOL I told Appel, something NEW from the baby boomer raised musicians STILL trying to be original IS what the boomers NOW want! For we have listened a zillion times to our classics. We still love them of course, but we all need something NEW and exciting.

Now, I am too But, I will say that I was and still am super excited about the songs and production the two great Mike's assisted on producing! I saw first hand while playing many parts for half the songs those two great minds work together to make what was already good to what I wold call great. (again, with me being a full time teammate of 3, and hearing the songs many times, I will be more excited than the average bear). So, take off a few points and get down to "VERY good and Possibly Exciting".

So, Appel and I laughed at the agent's comments, for we both knew what he meant. That the agent wants a copy of what has worked in the recent past, at least! To do something NEW would be on the order of a label giving The Beatles a shot, when they would rather release similar hit songs before them.

So, add to that aspect of some backer or backers is all we need now to take things to the next stage, and with the built in market for these songs of Appel's Musical related to Elvis in a concept/inspirational way for the lead role character for the musical, ("In The Shadow Of The King"), and there ya go! Product built and cared for with Love FOR not just baby boomers, but all ages of people, for some of the songs contain much more than what we know as the Rock style. They play as if already from a Musical. They are not song already in the classic radio play that are just being copied for a musical. NO! They have been creatively written by proven hit song writer and producer, Mike Appel, and then expanded greatly by Mike Caro and I dare say, myself, we were "encouraged" to take the songs to any areas and levels we wanted to try. And man, did we ever!
One song contains a short hint/tribute to "The Who", (in which I jumped on the drums for with the surprised look on Appel's face), with after that, the song quickly transposes to a gentle, classical/pop vibe for a heartfelt, soft, play-like vocal setup for the BIG and Powerful Orchestrated/Rock ending. (The song being called, "Stage Door Johnny"). The lead character, inspired by Elvis, wants to do his own great thing, tells his mother he doesn't want to be another "stage door Johnny". Powerful, emotional, "effective"!

That one song alone has blew the minds of some known pop stars Appel knows, besides some people he invited in the studio to get a peak at us three in action, and to hear some of the songs.

Picture JUST this: Mike Caro playing like never before even, and Appel's friend in that small control room where Caro was playing explosive parts as good and effective and "anyone"! Appel just said to his friend, "OK"??? "Did you hear that"?!

Mike Caro is waiting to be truly discovered while he works so hard getting better and better. And with his knowledge and skills of playing all kinds of music on these 13 songs, and with Appel's producing skills, along with Caro's, WOW! The Baby Boomers would be in line blocks away to get to hear ALL this very creative music once given a hint of it, which was built for them, (plus all else will relate in one way or another too, including country music fans).

What is holding up the Baby Boomer Relief Event not felt since way back when? Money of course. Just lke all other fresh idea projects, it is hard to get the first major investor, for it is not the usual, not another musical as are playing now.

I am glad Epstein convinced Martin to give them a listen, and then Martin to convinced his label boss at EMI to put money behind them for studio time and promotion. If not, the baby boomers would just have had more teen idle solo singers till something other than everything that followed The Beatles came along.

(Just comparing Beatles to this project for the "freshness of the notion" to want to put something out there that isn't there yet. Like Beatles music, they still were influenced by their favorite artists, so people could relate! Same with Appel's songs and our playing and production of the songs. They are meant for ears knowing music of all kinds we have heard in the past, (a combination), for a musical, not just to be heard, but to be seen with the story. Plus, the extra BONUS? To be heard in 3D sound! (Our recordings to be used, not a band, for there is no way to have bands or orchestras to be heard live in 3D sound. BUT there is technology for the first 3D sound in Theaters to be done using recordings. Mike Appel has been in meetings with such inventors, (two in fact, the main two with their own systems worked out waiting for money to move on with Appel's musical in a real way. We would mix the song down to 9 track 3D! Not to two track stereo to just then do enhancements to simulate 3D surround. There's a BIG difference!

So, for any such new adventure needing to be done not just for Baby Boomers, but other relating FOLKS, Money is again the main issue, for we already have the product of music and storyline. The rest is either history or not. It's now simply up to who is going to big the big investors.

The budget for such a Broadway bound musicals is 8 million dollars. HELLO! That is not accounting for the 3D experience we want to present! Tack on another what? 2 Million? Maybe ONLY half, and some promo for the engineers and facilities involved? Princeton U being one of them? I don't know.

What I DO know is that Mike Appel orchestrated a magnificent project, and now a product of music for the basis to have-to find investors and get them on-board as quickly as possible, for the explosive potential of marrying Boomer based and other songs to a new way to present such music, (3D Audio in the theaters!). Like 3D visuals are so different, so will be 3D Audio. I first read about the Princeton engineer when he was published in Scientific American about his TRUE 3D Audio. I then quickly mentioned that to Appel, who contacted the engineer, and both hit it off and knew it was just going to be the dreaded search for Money to get it done for the theaters!

Like everything else that is professional, everyone wants to be paid! LOL. Few want to pay out to see what happens. We need another EMI boss to foot the bill for the many baby boomer ears waiting and waiting for OUR next big and NEW thing.

Two of your JPF members are involved in such a thing. We hope to put us all on the map more and to get things back to creating and presenting music, not just to copy the previous 3 minute hit song. Enough is Enough already! Let's throw away the pitch control and programed drums! We had three drummers play on these songs! REAL FOLKS! haha!

Thanks for all your time,

John Daubert

Hey John....Great Stuff!!
Keep the faith as THEY said who needs an Internet and what do I need a car for I have my horse...lol
They told the Beatles that they can't play their own instruments and certainly can't write their own songs.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEASE JESUS. Came to tell us a NEW message and you see what they did to him..

Good Luck on your project. I think I'm going to FORM Barry & The Boomers. Could be a very funny Reality show...THE MAKING OF THE BAND...

My newest song I'm working on now is called DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE.
Barry

Great stuff on your end too Barry!

Keep at your vision for your band of that name. A great name of course. Thank you for your encouragement! Send Money! LOL

Feelin a bit bad for Barry here lol. I think when we stop dreaming, we stop living. My second rate advice to any and all is to not stop dreaming but to learn how to edit them.

I think for all us diy's and indies, the only real reward you can expect is making good music. Beyond that it's a crap shoot.

I will say that the people that get places in life are the people who dont think, they just go out and do it. Then again for every person it works out for there are 1000's whom it doesn't work out for.

If only music wasnt a business, but was just music. it's hard to devote yourself entirely to music when you never make a dime, we'd all be writing ten songs per day if we were making money doing it.

Has to be the most amazing feeling being a well known artist, and knowing that everything you write and record will be heard, enjoyed, and make you money at the same time

Yet the happiest DIY's are the ones who dont give one rats if anybody likes their music, they do it cause they enjoy it.

Whatever works for ya!

I do it because I enjoy and LOVE it! Always have since my first sort of notes on a toy accordion, then a few toy drums, and plastic toy sax and guitar! Then at 7, a REAL Accordion! At 12, Real Drums and Guitar! YEAH! Do it for the enjoyment of it? DUH!!! Well YEAH! No matter business hunting or not. A given!

I am also happy about "doing it" no matter the money. Ask my former band and Mike Caro about all I did, and my expenses to get there and back. Same with Iggy!

What would be nice of course, would be if we could get paid more to not have to try and find work that isn't music related. Plus, I was drafted into Substudio by Mike Caro, and just about made to audition for Mike Appel. I think he tricked me into learning the engineering part so I would be needed when Appel was there. THANK YOU Mike Caro! I was down and out of music altogether, after my ear changing event and having to leave my Too Little Band. (Still bothers me, for the guys).

How could I or anyone NOT go for the business dream too, while already enjoying everything about just doing it, and living the creative/playing dream that was thought ended? It was put in front of me to take or not. I go where asked or needed as long as I can deal with the sounds, having chronic Tinnitus and Vestibule Hyperacusis.

We can do both: Hunt for the livelihood, WHILE OF COURSE doing it for the love of it! The enjoyment and love of it is a given, otherwise, some writer/player would just become a publisher!