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Mike Dunbar
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posted 02-27-2005 12:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dunbar   Click Here to Email Mike Dunbar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a call yesterday from Roger Ball, a fine country guitarist with whom I work on Saturdays in a country dance band, the Music Masters.

Roger was charting the new hit "It's Getting Better All the Time" and was curious what I thought about the eleventh measure of the bridge. He said it was a three chord (G# in the key of E) of some type, but he thought it might be minor or a suspended fourth. Being a perennial procrastinator, I hadn't listened to the cd yet, so I told him I'd put an ear to it.

After listening a while, I called him back and told him it was a three minor with an added eleventh. Then, it dawned on me and I listened again. The eleventh was the melody note, which the steel player also played. I called Roger again and told him I was going to just treat it as a minor chord and let the singer and the steel player play the eleventh.

So the question is:

Does a strong melody note add itself to the harmonic implication. I mean, when the Righteous Brothers sing the word "close" at the beginning of You've Lost That Loving Feeling, is the three of the key added to your analysis of the five minor making it a five minor six?

Or am I wasting my time finding out how many angels can dance on my pin head?

Mike

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EmmitSycamore
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posted 02-27-2005 14:12     Click Here to See the Profile for EmmitSycamore   Click Here to Email EmmitSycamore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I got the question right, we're trying to figure out whether an odd melody note, which clearly has no business being played/sung against the present chordal underpinnigs, should be considered as an added note of the chord. My favorite example is the "-per ros-" note in the the first line of the chorus of "Paper Roses". The note is the seventh of the scale, played against the VI chord, which would make it a (suspended?) 4th, or an 11th, if you think an octave higher. Anyhow, to me this is not part of the chord. It is a passing tone, and a lovely instance of a very jazzy sound sneaking into what many folks think of as a "country" song.

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Emmit Sycamore

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TrumanCoyote
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posted 02-27-2005 14:30     Click Here to See the Profile for TrumanCoyote   Click Here to Email TrumanCoyote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well....you could extend the chord to accommodate the note, but you certainly don't have to.

In a VERY general sense, I'd say that jazz arrangements tend to extend the chord; pop, rock and country tend not to extend the chord.

McCartney was good at it. The first note of "Yesterday" is a good example. It's a G note sung over an F major chord. It creates the effect of an F add 9, but, in fact, the guitars are playing a straight F major. The voice alone extends the chord. He does the same in the first note of the bridge, singing (if I remember right) an A note over an E min7, creating a wonderful chord.

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Softkrome
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posted 02-28-2005 09:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Softkrome   Click Here to Email Softkrome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are correct it is an A note over an Em7 chord. Frank

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Graham
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posted 03-02-2005 19:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham   Click Here to Email Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use this often when writing in soundtrek Pro 5 (yes. I have upgraded) to force the melody making aspect include a note I want that isn't i the chord.
Swap from say an A major to an A 9 or whatever includes the not or notes I want.
Takes a few tries, but most times get close enough to what I want.
Graham

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GregA25721
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posted 04-19-2005 03:59     Click Here to See the Profile for GregA25721   Click Here to Email GregA25721     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering this si supposed to be a country song, I vote tht it is a passing tone. However, I thin it is up tothe author of th esong to decide that. Technically I think it depends on how it is used, how it sounds, and how it feels. I think it iseasier to say it is a passing tone.


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Originally posted by Mike Dunbar:
I got a call yesterday from Roger Ball, a fine country guitarist with whom I work on Saturdays in a country dance band, the Music Masters.

Roger was charting the new hit "It's Getting Better All the Time" and was curious what I thought about the eleventh measure of the bridge. He said it was a three chord (G# in the key of E) of some type, but he thought it might be minor or a suspended fourth. Being a perennial procrastinator, I hadn't listened to the cd yet, so I told him I'd put an ear to it.

After listening a while, I called him back and told him it was a three minor with an added eleventh. Then, it dawned on me and I listened again. The eleventh was the melody note, which the steel player also played. I called Roger again and told him I was going to just treat it as a minor chord and let the singer and the steel player play the eleventh.

So the question is:

Does a strong melody note add itself to the harmonic implication. I mean, when the Righteous Brothers sing the word "close" at the beginning of You've Lost That Loving Feeling, is the three of the key added to your analysis of the five minor making it a five minor six?

Or am I wasting my time finding out how many angels can dance on my pin head?

Mike


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EmmitSycamore
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posted 04-19-2005 08:58     Click Here to See the Profile for EmmitSycamore   Click Here to Email EmmitSycamore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duh!

In my example (above) I totally blew the most interesting point. The note I mentioned isn't a sus4 at all, but a Tri-tone (three whole steps, AKA "flat 5"). There's no way in Nashville that a 7th note should be sung against a IV Major (not for an extended length of time, anyhow), but there it is, sounding glorious. The tri-tone is the note exactly 1/2 a scale away from the root of the chord, and it sounds pretty much like finger nails on a chalkboard, when heard out of context.

Still, it turns up hiding inside every 7th chord. The added 7th is the tri-tone of the 3rd. So, in a G7 chord, the F is a tri-tone of the B. The tritone is the be-all of the "full diminished" chord. Every note in the chord is the tri-tone of another note in the chord. It's not a sound you can ignore . . .

Disonantly yours,
Emmit Sycamore

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