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reggie from florida
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posted 12-02-2002 12:30     Click Here to See the Profile for reggie from florida   Click Here to Email reggie from florida     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i sent in 2 songs rolling along & my favorite band. & rolling along won for the monthly prize. witch is a reduction on all demos then they send your music to a bunch of record companies. they now have a christmas song contest too i just entered. has anyone hear ever heard of the paramount group? entered a songwriting contest or anything like that?

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blakeh
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posted 12-02-2002 12:42     Click Here to See the Profile for blakeh   Click Here to Email blakeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reggie, read these posts:

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/forum4/HTML/000097.html

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/forum4/HTML/000152.html

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/forum4/HTML/000364.html

Well the links didn't work; but do a search on Paramount, and you'll find 3 different threads in regards to that company.

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jdruss1
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posted 12-02-2002 15:01     Click Here to See the Profile for jdruss1   Click Here to Email jdruss1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reggie,

Be careful very careful.
They sound to much like Titan to me right down to the Christmas song contest. Could be the same company just changed names.

I sent an email to Paramount asking them if they were connected to Titan (who will take your money in a heartbeat). I never got a response back from them.

Best thing for you to do is research Paramount through BBB in Nashville to see if they have any complaints filed against them.

Check the business licenses of Titan and Paramount to see if the same person or persons own both companies. If they do, run as fast as you can away from them.

If you do jump in wear rubber boots because it could get deep and your pocket lighter.

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Sharon I. Wells
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posted 12-02-2002 16:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharon I. Wells   Click Here to Email Sharon I. Wells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the line of being watchful for "song sharks", I've not been told that Paramount is exactly a song shark...but they offer to set a melody to your lyrics for a fee....then keepd part of the rights....now if you pay any moneys for a melody...that should be a "work for hire" and not be allowable for anyone to keep the rights....The worst part of Paramounts plan is they have musicians write the melodies, but Paramount keeps the rights....seemingly the writing musician should have the rights to me. I haven't talked with my friend in Nashville that had started to work with Paramount to see how things came out for him, but he wasn't going to be getting any copyrights to any songs he melodize and demoed for them, he was to be given a set fee per song, unless I'm badly mistaken....another company that loves to tell you that "your lyrics or poems" have won Writer of the year or Poet of the year is Emerald Records and they offer you a contract that stipulates you pay $750 which is "half" the money of the cost of the demo that you "won" for being Writer of the year, etc.....It's just how much you want to gamble...I knew Emerald probably a shark in some aspects of their being, but I gambled and sent in a lyric....won Poet of the Year award....so just for gambling sake I bit the contract and ended up with a "generic" sounding tune, the words had been changed around to make no sense whatsoever....they still contact me and offer me all kinds of "reawards" if I'll just bite again....BTW, the demo was in good quality for sound production etc....it just wasn't comercially pitchable.....though I was told that over in Europe it's radio play was magnificient and they wanted to rerecord it for US radio use....Ha....didn't bite twice....Go over to Orbison's List on Yahoo groups and email David Robinson and ask his opinion about Paramount.....best advice I can give you....

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posted 12-02-2002 20:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Lwilliam   Click Here to Email Lwilliam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paramount has been discussed here (and in many other places on the net) a lot. I agree with Sharon 100%: they very delicately skip around being an actual "song shark", but they are interested mainly in collecting money from you - one way or another. I would qualify them as a "misleading" provider of music services - AT BEST.

Some have even classified them as a scam since they promote one thing, then do a bait and switch, hang a carrot in front of you, or lead you to believe you're getting a discount on something you can buy elsewhere for less.

Here's a site I post here pretty regularly that should be required reading for any songwriter:

http://www.geocities.com/songshark/index.html

Here's a JPF thread discussing Paramount (I hope this link works for you - it did for me).

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000741.html

It's one thing to say you're a producer or demo house and state your fees. It's a simple "work for hire" arrangement unless it's a master where the producer will usually keep a very small royalty (2-3%) of the recording only (not the song - unless he's a co-writer). It's quite another to tell you your material is very marketable - if it isn't - and then get you to spend money on polishing it up and marketing it.

Maybe your material is very, very good, but just about every post I've seen from someone who has had direct experience with Paramount claims to have won some contest of theirs or been a runner-up. In either case, they've been given discount coupons for demo services - which are even then more expensive than many legitimate demo house services.

Be very careful...


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dhsongs
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posted 12-03-2002 21:35     Click Here to See the Profile for dhsongs   Click Here to Email dhsongs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The old "your song won", or "is a great song" line. Lots of sideline industry companies out there. And, using big time names, (with that one a film industry name), attracts hopefulls in thinking they operate like how Capitol or Epic does. They don't.

There are four levels of the music business:
1. The bars and clubs.
2. The real record and publishing companies.
3. The services that have requests from those record and publishing companies.
4. The ones that make it sound like they are number 2 and/or 3.

Get to know the differences, and you'll save yourself a lot of money and heartache. There's enough of that to go through with the real 1, 2 and 3's! Ship all number 4's.

It's most likely a demo making service with fullfilling your dreams attached. Real demo services just makes demos of any songs, (independent of what they think of them), and real publishers pay for demos to be made after signing, (if they feel a new demo is needed), and pitch those songs to artists or record A&R/Producers.

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jt wojahn
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posted 12-05-2002 08:40     Click Here to See the Profile for jt wojahn   Click Here to Email jt wojahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
paramount group, i used to watch a tv show about them. it was called the "bad news bears". be afraid .... be very afraid.
jt

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Sharon I. Wells
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posted 12-05-2002 10:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharon I. Wells   Click Here to Email Sharon I. Wells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jto, I don't know when you "watched" on TV about Paramount....but they haven't been in business as "Paramount" much more than a year....they perhaps ran as another company and as mentioned before it could have been "Titan". I think the best thing to do is be careful and I suppose I could go ask David Robinson about Paramount again, but the last time he was just "thinking" of doing demo work for them...that was about the time they started up as "Paramount".

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jt wojahn
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posted 12-06-2002 13:05     Click Here to See the Profile for jt wojahn   Click Here to Email jt wojahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sharon,
paramount group has been in the scam business ever since country weekly came out.
(about 4 years ago) i know this because i replied to an ad in the back of it looking for songwriters. they wanted something like $1500 to produce a demo of my song and then pitch it on music row. i did not go though with it, but might of at the time if i had the money(young and dumb). thankfully i didn't.
as for the bad news bears, it was a tv show(the bad news bears) and i was making a play on words. (something songwriters are known for) i grew up watching that show. it was awesome. anyways, jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them. so i'll try harder next time.
keep pickin'
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adw246
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posted 12-06-2002 20:35     Click Here to See the Profile for adw246   Click Here to Email adw246     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey JT--tee hee.

Keep posting,
Ashleigh
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Diana Tyler
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posted 12-06-2002 22:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana Tyler   Click Here to Email Diana Tyler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got it, jt. And you were "right on base" with your comparison...

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jt wojahn
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posted 12-12-2002 15:31     Click Here to See the Profile for jt wojahn   Click Here to Email jt wojahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks now i don't feel so stupid.
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reggie from florida
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posted 12-22-2002 15:54     Click Here to See the Profile for reggie from florida   Click Here to Email reggie from florida     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by reggie from florida:
i sent in 2 songs rolling along & my favorite band. & rolling along won for the monthly prize. witch is a reduction on all demos then they send your music to a bunch of record companies. they now have a christmas song contest too i just entered. has anyone hear ever heard of the paramount group? entered a songwriting contest or anything like that?


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reggie from florida
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posted 12-22-2002 16:02     Click Here to See the Profile for reggie from florida   Click Here to Email reggie from florida     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was afraid of this i even had a lawyer look over the contract they sent me. but i figured i don't have much to lose being i have lil money & have yet to record a demo. thanx for your responses.

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Ande Rasmussen
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posted 07-08-2003 02:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i got a question from a reader about these folks today

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posted 07-08-2003 08:22     Click Here to See the Profile for TravellingDog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reggie;

Before you spend your hard-earned money on a demo, it's always a good idea to "workshop" your song a bit with a circle of songwriters that you trust and respect. If you are a part of a songwriting workshop (like the NSAI, where I am a coordinator), the process of getting "workshop" feedback is formally designed so that you don't give up any rights to your song: the advice is completely free, with no strings attached.

In addition, the NSAI provides a free song critique service to its members in which top Nashville pro writers anonymously provide taped feedback on your songs -- if the pro writers think the song is ready to pitch, the NSAI presents the song to the Nashville publishing community. Did I mention that this is free, included in the membership? Check out www.nashvillesongwriters.com if you want some additional information about them.

I've seen a lot of demos, over the years, that were just heartbreaking, because you could just tell that somebody spent a whole ton of money on demoing a song that wasn't anywhere near ready to pitch.

Here's a good hint, therefore, to save you ton of money: Whenever you do get a song demoed, always make sure that you get a copy of the tracks, separate from the mix with the vocals. That way, if you rewrite the lyric later, you can reuse the tracks and just apply new vocals.

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posted 07-08-2003 14:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham   Click Here to Email Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good one Travel Dog. I have done that with every demo I got done outside and it works, and works well.
Stil apply the same thing now i am doing most of them at home. Mix and match, beats stat from scratch.
Like building a car. Try this bit with that and it don't work try a new twist til it is pleasing to the observer, and does the job.
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posted 07-08-2003 18:01     Click Here to See the Profile for redwriter1   Click Here to Email redwriter1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David Robinson IS Paramount ..... it sounds all "official" but it really is just a demo mill. You can get a good quality demo on music row for about $150.00. I know, because one of the writers in my workshop played one for us Monday night and everyone wanted to know who did the track and how much. Hers was in fact only $130.00 and that included the Vocalist. This was in a room with 15 other songwriters that consistently bring in great demos of their own from other studios charging much more.

If you need someone to put music to your lyrics..you'll have to find a co-writer. (they're free<<< (wink)... And keep in mind, if you can't impress another writer enough that he wants to write music to your lyrics... well... shouldn't that tell you something?? (and that is ALSO free<< )

Bottom line is.. if you have to PAY someone to put music to your lyrics.. #1 they are going to be pretty canned and generic.. #2 songwriter's are always looking for great songs to work on...

Why not post your winning lyric here and let us take a look at it?

Just friendly advice from me and all the other's who need to hang onto their money!

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posted 07-10-2003 15:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny G   Click Here to Email Johnny G     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sent in a song to paramount a year ago and they sent me a contract saying my song was so wonderful and what they where looking for. They offered a demo for around $300 plus 10% of any money earned by song. If it was so great how come never a phone call to follow up on offer....................never heard from again. Close Call


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posted 07-10-2003 16:02     Click Here to See the Profile for redwriter1   Click Here to Email redwriter1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the exact same "ego" (vanity)scam as those poetry contest. Send us your poem.. we'll tell you it's great.. we'll publish it in a book... and how many copies of the book do you want???

Do a little homework. (which we're all supposed to do anyway).. Have you EVER EVER in your life seen Paramount listed as publisher on ANY song on a Cd????
errrrr... any bells going off here?

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posted 07-12-2003 09:17     Click Here to See the Profile for RG   Click Here to Email RG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paramount is fine. I've worked with them.

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HENNIE LINTVELT
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posted 07-18-2003 10:30     Click Here to See the Profile for HENNIE LINTVELT   Click Here to Email HENNIE LINTVELT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi guys
just to let you know
i got offered a songwriting contract by paramount as well.

promising me the world.
i have decided to stay away,as the more experienced people like red etc have said that they are bad news.

there goes my dreams

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posted 07-18-2003 14:31     Click Here to See the Profile for farmboy   Click Here to Email farmboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you really want to know what you will get for your $250 to $300 dollars, here is a link to an actual Paramount Demo.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/cjpearsonmusic.htm
The song is called "All I Need is Your Love". It is the last song on the page. I did the backing tracks on the other five songs for CJ,then hired a vocalist to sing them. The first five songs cost less to produce then the last Paramount song. The Paramount demo is not too bad, it just cost way too much. Paramount would not be a bad organization if they used more respectable marketing strategies and charged a fair price for their services.

Walt

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Sharon Irene Wells
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posted 07-18-2003 15:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharon Irene Wells   Click Here to Email Sharon Irene Wells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
redwriter, David Robinson MAy be the only one working for Paramount....but he does demo work in his own home studio....and he HAD NOT STARTED to work for Paramount little over a year ago....he was just giving it some thought......mainly as he wanted to get into more demo work....but he preferred to stay doing demo work at his home studio....David Robinson is a frequent poster at the Yahoo group The Orbies and he is a very nice man and is so often helpful to posters on that site about technical things.....last time I asked him he HAD NOT started to work for Paramount yet or Paramount didn't have ANY work for him to do...something of that sort of thing.....so if you think David Robinson IS Paramount, I sure don't know how he'd be "hiring" himself?????

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posted 07-21-2003 18:41     Click Here to See the Profile for bayoufantasy2   Click Here to Email bayoufantasy2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
reggie.... i have won 2 certificate of merits from paramount. (one was a christmas song). i paid them for 2 demos, one with my discount certificate that i "won". they said they would help market the songs, but, sent me a list of contacts and told me to do the same from here. i have no evidence that they ever pitched anything for me.i was also offered the "opportunity" to have my demo included on a "rising stars" CD that would be sent to a bunch of radio stations, at a cost, of course. i didn't bite on that one, i acted on advice from some veterans on this board and kept my money. i am including a link to where my demos are... they are the the 2nd and 3rd songs on the link. i was not happy with them and i had little or no input on the finished product. i DO NOT recommend paramount, but it is up to you. )))))) scotty

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/scottysdemosmusic.htm

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posted 11-06-2004 14:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thought I'd bump this

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posted 11-06-2004 20:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham   Click Here to Email Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why?
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posted 04-07-2005 18:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thought I'd bump this for the new jpf members, someone sent me this message

ande

"My hubby and I write all the songs that our I and the band perform. Well, he writes most. I have one full song that I wrote and have co-written several but hubby writes 4-5 songs per day. My hubby has a co-publishing deal with Infinity records corp and we have had some interest from Paramount for some of his songs. I have an artist representation agreement with Infinity also and they are going to start shopping my demo later this month so no matter what happens for us we are both loving every minute of it. I just started writing about 4 months ago so I am very new to it but hubby has been writing for years and has hundreds of songs written just waiting to be performed. He is very talented!"

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Geez, people, wake up!

The outfit is a demo mill, plain and simple.

It's the oldest scam in the industry... hold a "contest", tell people their work is great, and gee, we have this $1500 demo service that will do your song for $300/$400/$500 (whatever the sucker, excuse me, market will bear) because it's just SOOOOO good, and then we'll market it to Nashville because, hey, we're right here on the row ourselves!

DUH!

(sorry to sound so harsh, but when people chime in and act like it's a viable deal, it just drives me wild)

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I would like to chime in on this public bashing of a bunch of dirtbags. I to have had the promise smoke blown up my wazoo. "Your song have outstanding hit song potential", "You have won 'The Directors Award of Merit'...etc. That and a $1.25 won't buy you a cup of coffee in Nashville. I have recently been talking with other Publishing groups and Producers in Nashville and you would be supprised at how many of them have never heard of "Paramount WHO" Exactly. I asked them to send a copy of the demo that they did for me and they informed me that they only pitch them to who they want to (probably nobody)Needless to say they will never get any of my materials again. Oh, by the way, one of the publishing groups that never heard of them, is in the same building. Boy do they have some connections. Aren't You Impressed?

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So how does someone not living in Nashville get their song demo'd and looked at? Who should we go to and use????

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