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Kim and I did this a couple of years ago with my vocal Now Kim's rewritten for a female vocal. How's it sound, mix wise? Opinions valued. https://soundcloud.com/vic-arnold/country-boy-wanna-beOr http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12997181Country boy wanna be © Kime/Arnold 2012 Yeah, I've seen him at the jukebox Pumping quarters in He knows how to impress me spinning George and Loretta Lynn His John Deere cap’s tattered Wranglers, a perfect fade Those hands of his look mighty strong But tender in all the right ways Pre-chorus His tan ain’t from a bottle; it came straight from the sun Bet he’s plowed a field or two and shot his grandpa’s gun Chorus Oh, He ain't no country boy wannabe Like those part posers that try foolin’ me with high dollar clothes and fast pick up lines that fake southern twang, I ain’t buying When it comes to what a girl like me needs I don’t wanna country boy wannabe He’ll take me 4 wheeling And mix it up with mud He’s bonfires, church choir John Wayne, Cheerwine and trucks Pre-chorus He likes to sleep under starlight, catch supper on a line Loves to watch his Nascar and eat ‘ maters off the vine Repeat Chorus Bridge I crossed the city limit sign a time or two But for me city guys just wouldn't do Put my arms around a small town, stand his ground gentle man There are certain things a guy like that understands Chorus Oh, He ain't no country boy wannabe Like those part posers that try foolin’ me with high dollar clothes and fast pick up lines that fake southern twang, I ain’t buying When it comes to what a girl like me needs (when it comes to what a girl like me needs) I don’t wanna country boy wannabe
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Thanks for posting this Vic!!
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YW. Kim. Very quiet here, innit?
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A watched kettle and all that stuff Vic, rubbish of course I've watched many kettles boil when there's been nowt on the box. Good song by the way enjoyed the story and your vocal/music. Best of luck with it Travis
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Hey Vic,
Nice sounding; I'm no pro, but in my opinion, the vocals (both) could come up a little, and the drums, particularly the hi-hat, could come down in the mix a touch. The vocals and lyrics are good, and I'd like to hear them louder.
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I agree about the kettle, Travis. We need them more and more lately. Thanks for listening.
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Good sounding tracks and a good SOUNDING Country girl singer vocal.
But...without the lyric sheet, I could not understand well over half of the words. I was so surprised by that, I listened again. And still could not understand them. I listened a 3rd time, reading the lyric. If you are pitching this, it really ought to be re-mixed to bring the vocal to where the words are understandable...
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Sounds pretty good. The title is a little misleading, because the song is not about a "country boy wannabe", but instead it's about a guy who is not that...and the woman's desire for him.
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Thanks for that, Duke. I just upped the vocals a tad. Not uploaded it yet though. Maybe later today.
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Hi Floyd. Thank you for the comment. Would you guess it's the vocal itself or volume/EQ on the vocal?
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Would you guess it's the vocal itself or volume/EQ on the vocal? Vic It's a bit hard to say (not being in the "mixing seat"). The tracks are crisp and nicely panned giving plenty of room for the vocal. The vocal has a great Country sound to it. I had listened to the Soundclick file because I sometimes have trouble with your Soundcloud files. But I went to listen there - and it did play - and had the same experience. I don't think it is an EQ issue. The vocal sits pretty far into the mix for a Country mix - and especially for a pitch (where they would normally be overly out-front - because the lyric has always been "the main thing" in Country - though not so much these days). So you could try bringing the volume up to get the vocal more out front. But I suspect that it is partly due to the vocalist "swallowing words" to achieve that girl-country-singer sound - which is fine (sort of) if your intent is to present the vocal performance... not so much if your intent is to present the song.
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The mix sounds good on my KRK's but I tend to agree with floyd re the vocal. I'd put the ole 3-5K presence bump on it if it's not already there. Pitching wise....dunno if you do that but it's been mentioned. So.....it would be an old (like me) crowd who would like it -- and I do. However George is dead, Loretta is 80+, nobody under 60 has heard of Cheerwine and too many younger folks don't even know who John Wayne is. Not too many of the mud bogging crowd into that picture around here (GA). However, being an ole phart none of that bothers me as it's all part of my country experience
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Hi Vic,
My initial response when the song came on was man that’s loud. After it kicked in and I turned the volume down I was OK and it sounded very good. I did have to struggle to understand the lyrics. The vocals were up front but I dunno, I just had problems understanding the words.
Regarding the lyrics I can say you pretty much hit every country image you could, from the John Deere hat to the Wrangler’s. I know country’s all about painting pictures and such, and you did that quiet well.
I see others talked about pitching it and I agree that the market just ain’t out there. It’s a shame really cause a lot of great music is going unnoticed. Thanks for putting it up.
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Kurt. Yes, you are correct. I suppose the correct title should be "I don't wanna country boy wanna be." Thanks for the sugg. I'll see what Kim thinks.
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Floyd, thanks again. I suspect your last idea is right, although I have increased the vocal volume a tad.(not uploaded yet). Vic
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Good country tune, vocals and lyric. The vocal volume has been addressed by other already. Good song, kudos to all!
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Floyd, thanks again. I suspect your last idea is right, although I have increased the vocal volume a tad.(not uploaded yet). Vic I hope I'm hearing the one with the vocals turned up because this sounds mighty fine. As for folks not being able to understand some of the vocals.In the chorus it seems that the lead vocals are being affected by the positioning of the backing vocals. I would experiment with: removing the backing vocals completely from the chorus or panning the backing vocals But of course I know not of what I speak but I'd be curious to know if it makes any difference at all. TWEAKING - in the digital age ::::::: Don't you just love how easy it is. Chasing a particular sound while mixing may be frustrating but the actual work (mouse clicking) man - could it be any easier? U R 2 Good @ this music thing.
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Hey Vic/Kim,
I really like your production and the overall performance; however, I think the harmonies should be done by the gal as when she's making her statements, for me, it just seems a little incongruous having a male vocal along side. It de-feminizes the theme a little for me. I'd have no harmony on the first chorus, then add the harmony starting with the second chorus providing better build. This should allow the lead singer to gradually express a little more attitude as the song builds. If the chorus sounds too shallow without the harmony, keep the harmony but pick up the attitude at the 2nd chorus. JMO.
She has a beautiful vocal tone and style, but coming across a little too consistent emotionally IMO. This song offers an opportunity for her to be a real "firecracker." Some dups might thicken the lead vox in places, like Floyd was saying a few syllables are getting lost. Great voice though!
I think you have a great start, much improved guys--good luck with this one!
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Yes good song i think maybe the problem with the vocal volume could be the drums maybe lower them but really good song.
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Hi J & B. Yes I already got the eq gain up in the region you mention. I will upload a new one shortly just to see if it makes a difference to you all.
Thanks for the listen and comment.
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Thanks Iggy. Yes, I do tend to master a little on the loud side. I defer to Kim on the lyrics comment. She lives in that sort of country area.
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Thanks James. I'm working on it.
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Hi Nelson No, you're listening to the original. Haven't uploaded the tweaked version yet in case there are other relevant suggs to come.
I already have my vocal panned about 12% and Shelly's dead centre. I may remove the backing vocals completely as although the voices are pretty tight in timing they are quite far apart tonally and maybe don't work together.
Thanks for your help.
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Vic, enjoyed this one start to finish! Really nice production but more than that, it is really a catchy tune! This is a great write with an equally good performance. No crits here Vic, well done!
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Please ignore my previous comments. I will listen again in the morning. Checking the stereo balance on my system.......
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Hi guys, Good job on this one. I especially like THIS line..... Put my arms around a small town, stand his ground gentle man Calvin http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart
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Hi Eddie. Yes, the harmonies should be done by a girl but we have to pay for her time and I wanted to get a feel of the song from you all before paying out more cash. As it's a demo we may or may not cut the harmony out altogether. Thanks for taking the time.
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Hi Pat. I get you and I have brought the vocal up recently but I heard loud drums are what people want now. Thanks for your sugg.
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I listened to this yesterday for the first time and wrote some comments but I had some doubts about my speaker settings so double checked this morning.....
You asked about the mix so this is what I am hearing. The bass and drums sound fine and the level of the vocals seems correct relative to them. The lead guitar that sounds like a Telecaster seems too prominent and dry. The other instruments mainly on the left are almost inaudible so when the guitar stops playing, there is a hole. I think there is a fiddle and another instrument there but I can hardly hear it.
The lead vocal might be better with more compression so that the softer words are more easily understood. Try mixing a compressed and uncompressed track and blend together until the words pop a little more. And maybe less reverb to bring the voice up closer.
Otherwise, the mix and playing sounds good.
You did not ask for comments on the song and singing but I know you want this to be a strong demo so here goes....keep or sweep. The chorus melody is very repetitive without much up and down musical movement......not typical of current country songs. Your singer has a decent voice and is mostly on pitch but lacks emotion and dynamics IMHO. Not the best fit for a gritty country song.....too boring.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks Tom. We appreciate that.
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Thank you Calvin. We both like that one.
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hey Vic,you guys have all the fixins with this one.I think maybe up the vocals a tad too.Super job!Mike
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Hi Colin. I appreciate you taking some time over this and I agree with much of your comment. I think I've addressed some of the issues (balance of instruments) since this was posted and will upload the final version soon. The vocal was sent to me with reverb on it so not much I could do with that. I will try a little compression though. Thanks again. Vic
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The mix sounds good on my KRK's but I tend to agree with floyd re the vocal. I'd put the ole 3-5K presence bump on it if it's not already there. Pitching wise....dunno if you do that but it's been mentioned. So.....it would be an old (like me) crowd who would like it -- and I do. However George is dead, Loretta is 80+, nobody under 60 has heard of Cheerwine and too many younger folks don't even know who John Wayne is. Not too many of the mud bogging crowd into that picture around here (GA). However, being an ole phart none of that bothers me as it's all part of my country experience Hi Guys, while I appreciate your time and giving your opinion, the George line was meant more for George Strait but also could be for George Jones, but any country person, young or old knows who George Jones or George Strait is unless they have been under a rock and Loretta, not saying it is maybe something they are listening to but still mostly appreciated for the fact she is one of the Legends of Country. If I put someone like Miranda in there (of whom I am a huge fan) to me it may not stand the test of time like someone such as Dolly, Loretta or even Reba would. If anyone out there in America especially has not heard of John Wayne, they have also been under a rock. My son who is 30 loves John Wayne movies and Cheerwine. I am going by what I see in my everyday country life, and having worked around and been to many local country family oriented places where there are all ages and they know these items and people listed in this song. I mean if Florida Georgia Line can have a hit mentioned a Lift Kit in their Chevy which some might not know what one is, and Lady Antebellium can sing on Freestyle about Macklamore who is a rather new rapper, and get by with it, with country fans, why on earth would anyone frown on singing about the legends of country? Just saying...Many songs are also singing about George Jones, Alabama, George Strait and it seems to be accepted. It is just her being impressed with him knowing who the legends are and not being ashamed to spin them on the Jukebox. Will a writer be able to bring up things every person on earth knows? nope unless maybe they sing about Jesus but some have never heard that name either.. the majority of country listeners would know who these people are and what cheerwine is and hey, if they don't and wanna know, they can look it up and be enlightened. Not trying to argue with you guys...just saying, I am not sure I can agree on your concerns for this one...and I did take it to a rather well known country singer in Nashville, Craig Bickhardt who has written for many hit singers too and he dug the song, so hopefully he knows what he is talking about, if not then I guess I will have another song that sits on the shelf. It won't be the first nor the last. Thanks again guys for listening. Please don't take this as me being upset, I am not, just stating my reasoning behind thinking the things put into the song will work. fingers and toes crossed...just not gonna re-write this one again, been working on this and changing it 50 times over the years and it is pretty much in stone now, per myself and Vic...unless a well known singer wanted to change something for some reason. Kimberly
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Thanks everyone so far for their advice on this mix!! Much appreciated
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Humm, I agree that the Vocal is a bit slurred and hard to grasp as well as a bit too far down in the mix. Sorry but the song is a bit dated but may play in certain locals but not others. I would suggest a re-write to make the song stronger. Keep writing! You may listen to some of my songs under NEW WEB SITE posted on the Industry Board. Good luck.
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Thanks Ray. Vic and I have discussed and re-written this lyric to DEATH to try to make everyone happy, but once several coaches at songu said it was ready to go, we finally wrapped it up. It had to be done after a few years. We can't please everyone. No this song is no "Florida Georgia Line" sort of song, it is a little more old fashioned in style but no different than hearing on every other song on the radio about sliding up in my pickup truck, sun tans lines, etc..I mean Nashville is a fickle group. They say write something different but 2/3 of the songs are the same ole...so writers have no clue what to do.. I listened to a few of your songs on the website you suggested and I can not really see a difference in styles to be honest. Maybe I am not listening to the ones you were referring to. I would be greatly interested in your songs that have been picked up and by whom. I am open and eager to learn from those who have had songs picked up such as yourself. We have asked for mixing suggestions, I think we are pretty set on it being done otherwise. Believe me, Vic made that clear to me. Kimberly
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Hey Kim, First of all when you are happy with a song go with it. I have never asked for critiques of my songs. When I am happy with them they are ready to pitch. Several years ago I sent 2 songs to a producer that put a request in a Tip Sheet. That's all you could send was 2 songs. One of the songs TAKE A CHANCE posted on the Web Site was sent. At that time it was just my Guitar Vocal as I hadn't had the Pro Demo done. That submission generated a call for 8 more songs from me. None of my songs were picked. I called him later and was told they went thru 2000 songs to pick the ones for the release. Another song was sent to a contact in Nashville, AROUND THE HORN, also posted on the Web Site. Actually an earlier version of the song was sent. I thought the guy was looking for songs to record but it turned out he was a Publisher and called me for Publishing. I already had assigned the song and couldn't give him publishing.
Another song, NUMBER ON THAT TRUCK, has generated some interest. Thr guy that demoed it for me sent me a publishing contract out of the blue asking for publishing on the song. The Publishing Contract was a jumbled up mess and didn't include a Reversion Clause. He refused to include one so I passed. Others have also been interested.
Can't remember exactly how but another Nashville Publisher was looking for songs to critique. I think he charged 25 dollars for 3 songs. I replied that I didn't need a critique but was looking for places to send my songs. He gave me permission to send some songs. One song I sent, AROUND AND AROUND posted on the Web Site he wanted and sent a Publishing Contract. So you just have to keep trying. Good luck.
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Thanks Mike. Already done and will post as soon as I get the go ahead from Kim.
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Thanks Ray, and good luck with yours. Who knows what'll get picked up?
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Hey Kim, First of all when you are happy with a song go with it. I have never asked for critiques of my songs. When I am happy with them they are ready to pitch. Several years ago I sent 2 songs to a producer that put a request in a Tip Sheet. That's all you could send was 2 songs. One of the songs TAKE A CHANCE posted on the Web Site was sent. At that time it was just my Guitar Vocal as I hadn't had the Pro Demo done. That submission generated a call for 8 more songs from me. None of my songs were picked. I called him later and was told they went thru 2000 songs to pick the ones for the release. Another song was sent to a contact in Nashville, AROUND THE HORN, also posted on the Web Site. Actually an earlier version of the song was sent. I thought the guy was looking for songs to record but it turned out he was a Publisher and called me for Publishing. I already had assigned the song and couldn't give him publishing.
Another song, NUMBER ON THAT TRUCK, has generated some interest. Thr guy that demoed it for me sent me a publishing contract out of the blue asking for publishing on the song. The Publishing Contract was a jumbled up mess and didn't include a Reversion Clause. He refused to include one so I passed. Others have also been interested.
Can't remember exactly how but another Nashville Publisher was looking for songs to critique. I think he charged 25 dollars for 3 songs. I replied that I didn't need a critique but was looking for places to send my songs. He gave me permission to send some songs. One song I sent, AROUND AND AROUND posted on the Web Site he wanted and sent a Publishing Contract. So you just have to keep trying. Good luck. Thanks for explaining Ray! I have a publisher that took two of my songs so far, one was picked up by a group in Austria and is playing in 3 countries on country radio right now, and that has been a super blessing, that same song was almost taken by Kellie Pickler, and I would have been really tickled over that. I Hope to get that opportunity again, all I can do is either keep plugging along as best as I can or give it up. Kim
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Vic please check either email or pm on just plain folks
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Hey Kim, I got every single reference in that song; I wouldn't re-write any of that. Songs by committee have no soul. My only critique was just about some levels in the mix. I want your voice to be more prominent. Good luck with the song!
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Vic and Kim,
I love the song and been followin' the thread awhile.
I think the music fits it to a T. At first I couldn't make out some of the words but they sing plain as day now!
I love the singers voice but I don't hear her putting the writers feelin's and emotions about the guy in the song. Then I thought well, if someone picks it up they'll sing it their own way so does that really matter? I donno.
There were some little things that dated the song for me as well. I love Loretta but you wouldn't find her on a jukebox in these parts for years, and around here we slide dollars in these days.
Id'a thought the country boy that he is, might'a shot a trophy buck rather than his grandpa's gun. Just little things like that.
I finished readin' the thread and realized you're goin' for a more classy song and you have definitely achieved here.
I wish you both the best of luck on this one and got my fingers crossed for ya too! It's a great song!
Geneva
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Thank you Duke. I agree with you about committee writing. The vocal will be upped.
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Thank you Geneva. It is evolving.
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Definitely better. I would bring the fiddle on the left up more. Cut some lower mids out of the lead vox to clarify it more. Maybe around 400. I don't think the lyrics will ever be clearly understood on that track though.
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Vic,
This is sounding better, and I agree with Colin about the fiddle, it's ok for the fiddle to compete with the guitar a bit--that fiddle is important to the country vibe IMO. I'm ok with the lead vox eq, but Colin has a good ear for sure, but I'd dampen or reduce the reverb on the lead vox a hair--keeps it more personal sounding and a little less live. Every song differs on what's optimal with lead vox reverb IMO--but personal tastes differ as well. I think this gal's voice may cut through better with slightly less reverb or at least shortening the reverb tails.
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Colin. I already notched down that eq at 400 around 2.5 db. I also brought up the fiddle track a fair bit. Maybe needs more. Thanks again.
Vic
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