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#1140904 - 05/19/18 10:44 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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But isn't this and other similar forums a part of the social media family?

#1140905 - 05/19/18 10:56 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Hi Beechnut: Reminds me of my youth, playing baseball and trying to keep up with my peers by stuffing a glob of beechnut scrap tobacco in my cheek while on the field. About that time, I was blindsided by a shot to the gut by an errant baseball, swallowed involuntarily, and never used that stuff again. Must have been sick for three days! LOL!

Thanks for your comments. Insightful and pretty well "spot on."

Now that we know Ray Strode is "A Royal"... I'll be sure to do a "head-bob" curtsey when he is in our presence! LOL! Genealogy is a great and time consuming hobby... but it is only interesting to the one who happens to be climbing the tree. My wife wishes I'd give it (and music) up for something more productive and useful! She's probably right.

All the best, ----Dave

#1140910 - 05/19/18 01:17 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Yeah Beechnut, this was the prototype of social media. Its what social media started as... people with similar interest convening on forums. Meanwhile people not interested were emailing their friends instead.

Social Media like Facebook and Twitter, and others made it so that people could connect with anybody they know...or many they don't know.

The conversation changed from....Do you like my new song? Do you like my new craftwork? Has anybody here tried Vitamin D for arthritis? Why was Jesus weeping when Lazarous died? Political forums, Mutual interest topics etc (btw, we get most of that here as well)

To..... I'm going over to Jose Tejas for some burritos, will take pictures and post them as soon as the meal hits the table....

Basicly, it's changed from meeting new people online, to re-finding old people, and people u already know, to talk about your lives.

I'm guessing that facebook with all the, he knows u, so she knows him, and they know her, have created more "matches" than eharmony.com

A quick glance at all the divorced women on facebook, makes u think it would be alot easier getting a date from one of them who already knows u than a complete stranger

What happens though is if you are a songwriter, not everybody u know is a songwriter. In fact the vast majority of facebook friends are old classmates and co workers.

So u cant say. Here is my new lyric, let me know what u think....Cause it excludes most people on your list who don't care or have no idea what your even talking about

Some of my friends are sports junkies, some are poker and craps players, some are musicians, but almost none of them are songwriters, and the vast majority are married couples who are more concerned with their kids teeth growing in correctly, than they are analyzing your song

It's gone from specialty to universal, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

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#1140915 - 05/19/18 04:53 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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I was a frequent poster on the Alternet political forum as well, but now they are so fixated on Trump that they don't seem to have any room or inclination for discussing anything else. They used to have some very good dialogues on the pathologies of Main Street USA, but very seldom do now.

#1140916 - 05/19/18 07:33 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I have non hodgkin's lymphoma and belong to 3 different facebook groups and it is great. I get a lot of friendship and support and education and I also give out lots of advice too. I have made a lot of really great friends from all over the world and even share my songs with them sometimes.....I LOVE Facebook...

#1140943 - 05/21/18 09:04 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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"Is it Don Henlys creativity that created those classic guitar solos at the end of hotel California? Do you think they are just jamming nonsensically?"

I hate to be persnicity here, but Don Henly didn't really have anything to do with the guitar solos at the end of "Hotel California." It was actually a four track work tape that Don Felder had for a couple of years before Henley and Frey put the words down. The guitar solos for the most part as well as all the music was his. When they recorded it, Joe Walsh took what he had already done and added his own flourishes on it. But they all took months to work out, so it was not just "random jamming."

Some things in that era were discovered by mistake and jamming, but by the time it got to tape had been worked out meticulously over a period of time.
I agree with a lot of that post, this is just one part I know a bit about.

#1140944 - 05/21/18 09:25 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Marc, you actually agree with even more then. I used exactly what you said as an example of "being creative". Henley wrote the song and lyric, but Walsh and felder had to use their own creativity to contribute to the recording and arrangement of it.

So everybody involved in that record was "creative"

It definitely wasn't random jamming, not knowing anythjng about it per se, I could tell you by listening to it that it was not improvised and well thought out. Actually, even improvising requires much creativty.

So everybody involved in that track used creativity, anybody who plays an instrument and starts noodling on it is using their creativity. Somebody overdubbing background vocals can be using creativity if using their own ideas

That was one song, from one group, and one producer, I assume, and one engineer, and they all had creativty.

Now multiple that by billions of songs, billions of artists, professional or hack, from the beginning of popular music to today. From musical masters to kids learning how to solo over a chord progression during lessons. Millions of songwriters and lyricists

Creativity is not rare at all. its not restricted to songwriting either. Are there varying levels of creative people yes.

And I'd rather have a creative band than a technical band.




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#1140945 - 05/21/18 09:41 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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I would rather have both... a creative and a tech band... LOL! Ain't happening, Baby! But we can dream. Given a one way choice... you bet, Creativity trumps it all. Thanks for the informative "background story" Marc (Mr. Insider) 'cause the rest of us will never possess your perspective.

Thanks to everyone else who commented, shared war stories... and a bit of levity along the way.

Have a great week, boys and girls. ----Dave

#1140946 - 05/21/18 09:42 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Creativity is important in Many Fields. I always wonder why some more creative minds aren't used in curing diseases like cancer. They have Big Pharma doing the same thing over and again using Left Brained Scientist who are not outside the box thinkers. SO creative thinkers and doers are in every field. That saying it is a Gift...

#1140949 - 05/21/18 11:05 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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That's exactly right Barry. As regimented and pragmatic, and dogmatic the medical field is, there is still alot of "what if i tried this" and that is why some doctors have better results than others. Absolutely, even a dog can be creative. "If i leap from this angle, as soon as my eye catches the piece of chicken falling from the table, maybe i can get that".

In fact, creativity is what made us what we are

https://www.educationdive.com/press-release/20170515-creativity-its-what-makes-us-human/

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#1140950 - 05/21/18 11:35 AM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Great Article. This is pre programmed in our DNA and then it's up to us to use and develop it or not.

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#1140955 - 05/21/18 01:56 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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"Marc, you actually agree with even more then. I used exactly what you said as an example of "being creative". Henley wrote the song and lyric, but Walsh and felder had to use their own creativity to contribute to the recording and arrangement of it."

PS: Henly and Frey just wrote the LYRICS on the song. The music on the song itself was totally Don Felder.

What am I agreeing with? LOL! I just was setting the record straight on one song. I know that one because I'm an Eagles fanatic, have read about all of their biographies and actually had a quick conversation with Don Felder once.

I thought we were talking about shrinking ranks on songwriter web sites.

If you are talking about creativity, that is something that has to be nurtured and the best have it .But it also has to be followed up with another essential thing, DISCIPLINE. Being creative is fine, but you can lose things quicker than it comes to you., if you don't have the discipline to write it down, get it recorded, and have a system to FOCUS the creativity. That is where a "technical application" has to come in.
Without some form of discipline and follow through, all the creativity in the world will simply get lost in the moment.

As far as what that has to do with dwindling numbers, I don't really know but that's my opinion. Worth what you paid for it.

MAB

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#1140956 - 05/21/18 02:06 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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It has nothing to do with dwindling numbers...that was a point i made as well.

No, it sounded like u were saying something different about the Eagles song. What i said originally to Couch was do u think Henley's creativity only made the song what it was? Other people put their creative juices in there too. Creativity is wide spread, if four guys in one band, and all the people working with them have it, just talking super groups alone, that would be enough to say its not rare. But there are many other millions of creative people out there famous or not

Rare is finding a needle in a haystack, rare is hitting the mega lottery. There are alot more creative people in the world than people who have won the lottery

I said that what u said didn't contradict me, u reinforced my thought

We all have creativity, some are clearly more gifted. Some work alot harder than the next guy, but that was my point, its not about people coming here thinking they are good, and people telling them they are good....that doesnt help the nurturing for sure, but its not because people are not creative that they end up on this forum

Some stink some are really good, that's life in general

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Let me add that alot of the people here, and i dont mean all, but many, are not "in it to win it" they are not writing as if their life depended on it, and not trying to work so hard at it.

Alot of it is just force of habit. Let me write something today.

Maybe the expectation of everybody who posts here must be seriously considering a cut, and are just not creative enough to write something good, is a wrong expectation

When Couchgrouch writes something, you can tell he worked enormously hard on it, and writing in general. Maybe its not as much creative talent as it is taking it to the woodshed. Of course hes going to stand out against people who just scratch the surface. I wouldnt say those people werent creative, Id more say that they didnt care that much about being good or doing anything with it.

If you settle for the first thing that pops out at u, and writing it down, maybe u didnt want to write a song at all, u just wanted something to post.

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#1140958 - 05/21/18 03:08 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Fdmenetero? (man I wish people would sign their names so I know who I am talking to)

Sorry I guess I missed that part of the thread. I try to read all these but they go on for a while, and I might miss some.

The Eagles, The Beatles, Stones, etc most supergroups, usually have multiple very talented people involved. But the real place the "rubber hits the road": is what they do separately as well as together. In the case of Henley, Frey, Timothy B. Schmidt, they ALL had successful solo careers as well as a group. The really huge ones were Henley and Frey, who not only had enormous solo careers AFTER the Eagles, but kept the Brand alive during their 14 years of Hiatus. Joe Walsh was tremendously successful before the Eagles in his own right and Schmidt was a member of POCO, which was one of the founders of country rock music.
Felder was successful in his own right but never matched his output with the Eagles, which is a part of the bone of contention that came up after the reunion and subsequent successes, leading to his firing.

So I think all of these things come into play, not to mention their manager, IRV AZOFF, who is one of the most ruthless managers in the history of rock music. His guidance really kept them in everyone's face their entire career.

Creative people can burn out or fall apart easily. You can look at so many of them, most notably to me, would be BRIAN WILSON of the BEACH BOYS. He most assuredly was the brain behind almost everything of theirs, yet, fell apart due to his own personal demons. Without him, they never achieved what they did with him.

So, yes everyone plays a part, but creativity can take different pathways with different people.

MAB

#1140959 - 05/21/18 03:15 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Pete Townshend was clearly the creative force behind The Who, Jimi Page was the man behind Led Zeppelin.

But the comment made, creative people are rare, which is what were focusing on, is rediculous.

#1140962 - 05/21/18 09:15 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Our ranks may be shrinking but I'll bet our total weight is up.

#1140963 - 05/21/18 09:21 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Rick Heenan]  
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Originally Posted by Rick Heenan
Our ranks may be shrinking but I'll bet our total weight is up.


I went on a carb diet and lost like 25 lbs. I miss chips. Oh and oreos. How can i forget the oreos.

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#1140964 - 05/22/18 02:26 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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The thing about creativity is that it takes practice - just like anything else. Rare is the person who does not practice and yet is gifted with ability. All of the famous musicians mentioned in this thread practiced to get where they got. Luck and determination helped.
Practice in writing music is the same as practice in playing guitar. If you only play the same song over and over, or songs with the same 3 chords, that's not practice. Practice is an intentional effort to stretch and improve a skill set.

I help with a songs in progress workshop every month and one of the first questions we ask is "what were you trying to do?". Sometimes they don't know or get upset because we mention a structural flaw in the song. The over all concept is to help them succeed in finishing what they wanted to do - or just say "that's nice" if that was what they were looking for. One of the guys running it makes the statement "I can write a good song about a bottle of water because I know the rules of the craft". Which puts some folks off because they thought it was like a gift from God.

Sadly I think the music pushed on the public has gone the way of art.
https://www.prageru.com/videos/why-modern-art-so-bad

The numbers may be dwindling on the critique pages because either the youngsters don't feel the need to practice or the older folks think they practiced enough to get by. Losing some of the more prolific posters has obviously had an effect.

#1140965 - 05/22/18 02:42 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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People can get instant feedback from real music listeners on social media sites. And if you can tell everyone on your Facebook page to listen to your new song, they might do it. If they know U they probably will say it's good regardless, but music listeners don't critique, they don't know how, they just listen. Some writers prefer that.

Here it's the same 15 people all the time, writing comments because it's part of the game. And nobody ever says something bad, it's all good all day and night. And the one guy who tries to play devils advocate runs into to friction.

I agree that 9 out of 10 lyrics here are of the "so what" variety.

I do know that if I see something really good, sometimes I may miss them too, but if I do see something really good I'm usually in there.

I don't really go in there when something is really bad, because it usually gets people mad.

But I think if people stopped bsing each other, it would be more intriguing to post, and if u do get knocked, it may bring u back stronger the next post

I don't think most people here really believe the comments they get

Everything can't be good, and it's pretty obvious that u want people to listen to yours and tell u your good if u say the same stuff to them.

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#1140966 - 05/22/18 03:01 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Not so fast, old pal DeMetrio... I don't post my songs here at JPF unless somebody has been paid to do a demo for me. I do take time to respond to writers with potential. There are lots of folks who critique with the idea of encouraging a "newbie" without stepping all over their ego or getting "snarky." I agree with you, way to much false praise gets passed out on this and other sites... but nobody cares for a scalding review... even if the lyric, song or composition is not "up to snuff." We've all seen guys or gals melt into the woodwork because of a bad or unkind review. Like you, I usually avoid those posts that exhibit no talent or potential.

The folks who get scalding reviews usually don't return to JPF or stay silent as lurkers.

In all honesty, I had a Publisher out on the West Coast and she would rake me over the coals with her reviews... and I felt so intimidated. After a few years, I realized she had done me a real favor for being so honest with me... but her critiques were free and private... usually in the form of a rejection. I wish I could thank her for helping me to improve. (I still have a long way to go... but she really was a professional.)

Hi Doug:

Glad you joined in. Best wishes for success and helping to create tomorrow's song-writers out there in Arizona. You hit the nail on the head with your post.

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Well it depends what type personality you have I guess Dave. When somebody insults me, i take it as a challenge. I can see some people getting discouraged and leaving

Maybe have a section strictly for brutally honest critiques.

But you cant assume that because somebody is new to the forum they are new to songwriting. There are people here for short times who write better stuff than people here for a long time.

I think asking for crits once your demo is paid for is backwards, how willing will u be to change something after its done already?

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Hi FD:

You make some valid points. A Brutally Honest Critique Section might be workable but only Brian can consider such an option.

Yes, insults do play differently in the "brain of each beholder" and reactions can be all over the map.

New to the forum indeed, does not mean "new to music and all it's attendant baggage"... LOL! There are people who have never been here and will never bother to be here because they write better "stuff" than any of us. (That's why we are here and they are there! IMHO)

I don't ask for crits on the demos I've had done by others... I have them posted here for shameless self-promotion... LOL! The only person deciding on changes would be me... or an artist who heard it and had enough "star-power" to ask for a change here or there. (I doubt if many "Majors" spend time here with us... they have "people" for that!)

Thanks, as always, for your insightful perspective... you always "light up the boards" and that is a healthy thing.

All the best, ----Dave

#1140993 - Yesterday at 01:31 PM Re: Are Our Ranks Shrinking? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Just for the record. Every song I've posted was done before I joined.
I'm slow about the next for various reasons (I swear are legit). :-)

I for one am not shying away from posting more, I just ran out.

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