I dont try to impress anyone when it comes to politics. . . there's absolutely no need. I respect that everyone has a different opinion on how things should operate. We won't ever agree, and I respect that too.

Please do me a favor, look back at my posts and let me know where I have put anyone here down, called any names, or acted in anything less than good faith.

Hi Scott,

I will try to give you an intelligent answer.

1) I am sick and tired of taxpayers paying everything for all those who feel like they don't need to pay for anything. I realise that part of every tax dollar we pay now goes to cover the un/underinsured. Part of every dollar we pay in copays goes to cover the same. Every bill submitted to the insurance companies and medicaid/medicare is padded to help cover the cost of treating them.

Understand please; I am not against helping the truly needy. I am against paying for people who can, but will not work. I am against paying for people who continue to have children knowing they can't pay for any part of their care just to get the free benefits the governmentt gives for having them.

I am against paying for people who work under the table to avoid paying taxes yet have no problem receiving benefits from my tax dollar. I am against paying for all the illegal immigrants.

2)I truly believe we can fix the problems we have now by fixing the tort laws, cutting down on medicaid and medicare fraud, and exporting all the illegal immigrants.

3)I really don't want our federal debt to skyrocket any higher. Between the bank bailouts, and the stimulus, our great grandchildren will still be paying this off now. No one seems to realise that for every dollar that is spent, tax dollars have to be paid to support it. Actually, by the time they figure in the interest, that one dollar being spent today will be turned into many before it is all paid back. If anyone can show me where we are getting the money to pay for this I am perfectly willing to listen.

4)As far as the government doing anything right, look at all the money that has been stolen from our Social Security to pay for things it was never designed to pay, a lot of it in "Loans" never intended to be paid back.

Look at Welfare. Look at how well they have run Medicaid/Medicare. Look at the VA and how it's hospitals are run.

Look at the highway department with all the bridges they have been told are getting ready to fall down and all the stimulus money that is not being spent on them.

Look at our borders.

Look at all the business that has been run out of our country. Look at the unemployment rate...

The only thing I have against non profit co-ops is that they would be unfair competition to the insurance companies and once they were driven out of business we would no longer have the option of using them. Other than the high cost of my insurance, driven there by the reasons I mentioned above, I like my health insurance. I like choosing my own Doctor, my own specialists, and the treatments I want to have. I work a lot of hours to be able to do this but I don't mind. I would mind if I didn't have those choices.

Doug:

I'm familiar with your general views of government. But I don't hang here all that much so I haven't seen your specific ideas. Are you advocating absolutely NO government? Or limited government? If limited, how limited?

What happens is that as soon as they see a chance to use a much cheaper system, employers will do thier best to force employess to take that system even when it is against their own best interests. Once you have enough companies doing that the insurance companies, who cannot compete with a federally aided program, will lose their customer base and go under. There goes my choice of heathcare insurer out the window.

Anarchy is the only system where you don't have the government using force against it's on citizens.

How could anything be worse than the 100+ million people killed by their own governments in the last century. And that doesn't count wars.

No person or group of people has the right to use force or the threat of force to make others do their bidding. Supporting government is like supporting a mob protection racket.

Hi Scott,

What happens is that as soon as they see a chance to use a much cheaper system, employers will do thier best to force employess to take that system even when it is against their own best interests. Once you have enough companies doing that the insurance companies, who cannot compete with a federally aided program, will lose their customer base and go under. There goes my choice of heathcare insurer out the window.
Sorry Naomi. I didn't mean to try to take over the thread with the illegal invasion issue but it is a huge part of our health care costs. As a nurse I see it every day.

Hi Doug:

You actually have a much higher opinion of human nature than I do. If governments are killing 100 million a century now, I think individuals would kill 200 million a century if there was no government.

Seriously, I think there is an optimum. I see the scale from no government to oppressive government paralleling the scale from freedom to security. All security and no freedom is no good. But I don't think total freedom and no security would work either - for me at least - because I would use all that freedom to ensure my own security. It would be a full time job.

I don't know where the optimum lies - though I have the feeling that we're reasonably close to it.

I see from your previous post that, aside from practical considerations, you would favor no government. Have you ever been in a situation where you were among a reasonable number of people and there has been no local government? In other words, have you ever lived in a situation of temporary anarchy? I never have. I'd be curious to know how it worked. My instincts tell me it would work okay until the first drought hit - then all hell would break loose.

I think I have to agree with Naomi.

Did I just say that?

Scott

You actually have a much higher opinion of human nature than I do. If governments are killing 100 million a century now, I think individuals would kill 200 million a century if there was no government. \:\)

I don't know where the optimum lies - though I have the feeling that we're reasonably close to it.

Folks, especially liberals, often accuse others of what they are doing themselves.

Doug: Are you even interested in music? I have never seen you post a single music related thought.

Kevin

Afghanistan had no Government, so the taliban took over.

Doug,

I saw one of your pics from a concert at a trailer park (Arizone/New Mex/texas?). Looks cool!

Kevin

Sue anyone who think that governments save lives is delusional. The whole point of government is the use of force against those weaker than the mob.

Doug explain to me then, what exactly your ungovernerned plan for the USA would be. I'm intensely curious.