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#754719 - 09/24/09 11:47 PM
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NaomiSue
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If they try to teach my son that . . . there will be hell to pay. . .
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#754724 - 09/24/09 11:59 PM
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Mike Dunbar
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They should be singing this instead:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6719301
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#754795 - 09/25/09 09:26 AM
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Gary Gray X
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I saw this video and thought what other president have they ever sung about in class that I ever heard of .......................?
the answer was clear
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#754807 - 09/25/09 10:27 AM
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Kevin Emmrich
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"They did songs about President Washington, Lincoln, and they did do one about President Obama, ..."
Does anyone even read the article?
I think that the general response to this "episode" is correct -- it comes across as a major bad idea. It is one thing to sing about leaders from the past, but Obama hasn't accomplished anything big yet. While the song is "probably" harmless, I put this in the "what the heck were they (the teacher) thinking?"
Of course, the principal receiving death threats over this incident is even worse than the incident itself. Plus, posting the video on Youtube without getting the parent's permission is a big time mistake.
One blunder after another in this one.
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#754810 - 09/25/09 10:40 AM
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John W. Selleck
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Hi Kevin,
I did read the whole thing. That's why I posted the link to the article and not just the video. To be honest, I would have a problem with them using any president's name, alive or dead, in place of Jesus name in a song a lot of children learn. I agree that Washington and Lincoln were great presidents but Obama still has a long way to go before he gets in that category.
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#754816 - 09/25/09 11:09 AM
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NaomiSue
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I'm sure the song was meant as an educational tool and should have been completely harmless. Death threats over something like that are ridiculous there are more important things to worry about. I still wouldn't be happy if my son came home singing it, and there's no doubt everyone would know it, but would I threaten someone's life? Not an ounce of a chance.
And John that is the norm nowadays as stupid as it is. Why take the pledge of allegiance out of school just because it says One Nation Under God? Why take kids right to prayer before meals away. My step son was almost suspended because he bowed his head before lunch.
Just recently we had two local school officials on trial. The allegation was they were "violating a consent decree banning employees of Santa Rosa County schools from endorsing religion" they were found not guilty. But it was at a sports banquet where, not thinking about it, the principal bowed his head and said a short prayer.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/17/Florida.school.prayer/index.html?iref=newssearch
It's a sad day when people get in trouble for praying, if people are offended by it, they should cover their ears.
People should really come together against the ACLU, they take things way to far. And I guarantee you there are more of us than there are of them.
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#754818 - 09/25/09 11:59 AM
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Lee Arten
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Shouldn't everyone sing to our Dear Leader?
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#754819 - 09/25/09 12:05 PM
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NaomiSue
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Not I. . .
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#754824 - 09/25/09 12:20 PM
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Gary Gray X
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maybe if you live in a communist country like they are trying to make ours become as per Chavez, Castro, etc.
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#754885 - 09/25/09 04:02 PM
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John W. Selleck
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I agree the death threats went way too far. That is the problem with extremists, of any cause. Once anyone threatens violence in something that could be handled in a civil manner, and this could have, you make enemies of more people who would have been on your side if you had acted with common sense. All hate begets is more hate. That is why you won't see me putting anyone down personally here, or even calling names. It is really bad when someone like me, a conservative who truly believes most things can be talked out, is labeled as a Hitler just because I espouse right wing values. I would pick up arms to defend my country, or the things I truly believe in, but only if I was forced to do so. Does this make me a bad person, I'll let a greater power make that judgement.
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#755136 - 09/26/09 04:45 PM
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cozmicslop
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maybe if you live in a communist country like they are trying to make ours become as per Chavez, Castro, etc.
Unlike Chavez, Castro etc....
Obama does not have the power to make this a communist country.
Whomever 'they' are, 'they' can't do it either.
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#755138 - 09/26/09 05:04 PM
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John W. Selleck
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Communism is quite a stretch, but socialism is within reach if enough people fall asleep and let it happen. We have been sliding down that slope for the last 45 years or so. If you can't see that, look at the escalating cost of social programs. It is also fairly easy to see the decline of the middle class and the rising number of working poor. With all the new programs throwing the country into even greater debt it is only going to get worse. The way we are going soon we are going to have two economic classes, the rich, and the poor. This is the classic recipe for failure of governments.
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#755346 - 09/27/09 08:10 PM
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Duncan Wells
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I'm wondering if this is just a simple case of a song written and rehearsed with the children by their teacher (an obvious Obama fan) to help teach them respect for the President of their country. If that is the case then the conservatives (who are supposed to be the only ones taking issue with this harmless rhyme) need to deal with the teacher in question and only the teacher in question. For those whoe would prefer to "act" instead of "speak" here's a few thing you can do to satisfy your need for revenge against this horrible, horrible teacher. Burn a cross on her lawn, hang a burning effigy of her on the school ground, throw a pie in her face, or compare her to Hitler - um, wait, I think the last one has already been taken care of.
God Save The Queen and Hail TO The Chief, this is nothing more than a ridiculous attack against freedom of speech and expression in America by the Anti-Obama Movement. It would be funny if it wasn't so real...not to mention pathetic.
HAIL TO THE CHIEF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeSgQdRZPxY
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#755357 - 09/27/09 08:40 PM
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John W. Selleck
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This is another example of anyone who does not fall to their knees in front of the great Obama being called someone who is against free speech. If someone had taught children to sing a song of praise for Bush, the outcry would have been heard on the moon. Some parents didn't like it and now it is only hard core right wingers who are to blame. It is amazing how quickly the thinking goes from A to Z. It is not a harmless rhyme. It is a political song being taught to children too young to understand what they are singing, then put on the internet to show it off. I am willing to bet you would have been among the first to complain if this was going the other way. I don't know how to make it any clearer: all people who are conservatives do not belong to the KKK or the John Birch Society. Most of us are regular people who believe they are in the right. It is amazing how many liberals only believe in free speech when it is for a liberal cause.
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#755375 - 09/27/09 09:49 PM
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NaomiSue
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Agreed. . . I've already been this route though John. It's wasted energy. Once you're a racist Obama hater, you're always a racist Obama hater. Want to start a club? I'm going to stick to my pedophile thread because everyone seems to get along and agree there.
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#755389 - 09/27/09 10:21 PM
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John W. Selleck
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I know but it shouldn't be a contest where the one who hollers the loudest wins...
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#755392 - 09/27/09 11:05 PM
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Duncan Wells
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This is another example of anyone who does not fall to their knees in front of the great Obama being called someone who is against free speech.
John it's only folks like yourself who harp on this falling to their knees for the "great Obama" business, accusing people of seeing him and praising him as some sort of God or hero or saviour. That's YOU people doing that. No one else. Obama IS an educated man, he IS a good decent family man, AND he IS the president of the USA. That's as far as it goes for now. There are people, and lots of them, who are hoping good things happen for America under his leadership but who doesn't hope good things happen under his leadership? Surely, John, you are not one of those people who want to see him fail, are you? I see nothing wrong with people looking up to Obama for leadership and, in fact, that's what they should be doing. Anything else is counter productive to the country.
It is not a harmless rhyme.
John, John, John snap out of it man! It's a "harmless rhyme", I think you should do something about your paranoia problem because that kind of condemnation of a harmless rhyme makes you sound, well....never mind. We don't want THIS one locked too do we.
It is a political song being taught to children too young to understand what they are singing, then put on the internet to show it off.
Yes, John, and before you know it these kids will rise up against all of you Obama naysayers. They'll poke you in the eye with their crayons. There will be chaos all across the land. It's like Jack Be Nimble, Jack Be Quick. Remember how all of those kids set themselves on fire by jumping over candle sticks? WOW! That was scary, huh? And like little Jack Horner had all of those kids sticking their thumbs in Christmas pies hoping to pull out a plumb. What a waste of pie THAT was. Let's get real, shall we?
You say my post concerning the harmless rhyme was, and I quote for a second time "just another example of anyone who does not fall to their knees in front of the great Obama being called someone who is against free speech".
The truth is, John, that my comment regarding freedom of speech and expression was in direct relation to the harmless rhyme and had nothing to do with Obama whatsoever. It's funny how you turned my comment about a harmless rhyme into my falling on my knees to praise Obama. The comment about the rhyme has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with your right, my right and everyone's right to write, create, and express. You should get off that anti-Obama soapbox you're on. You really should.
If someone had taught children to sing a song of praise for Bush, the outcry would have been heard on the moon.
Naw, I doubt in Bush's first year in office there would have been an outcry over such a harmless rhyme but near the end, when you got to adding up the damage the man has caused it's a possibility there would have been some sort of outcry; not probable but possible. Jon Stewart would have done a bit on it I'm sure and there's still a possibility that Stewart will have a bit on the harmless Obama rhyme. Let me make myself perfectly clear, I don't hate Bush, nor am I anti-Bush but I would have to say he struck me as being an uneducated moron of sorts. Laughable at times and certainly deserving of being the brunt of many jokes. I'm not going to say Bush was as dangerous as Muammar Gaddafi or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but I will say he wasn't any more intelligent than them.
I am willing to bet you would have been among the first to complain if this was going the other way.
You would have lost your bet, John. It's a harmless rhyme.
I don't know how to make it any clearer: all people who are conservatives do not belong to the KKK or the John Birch Society.
No, but there's not a KKK member in the whole of the USA who supports Obama, is there? So, what does THAT tell you? Those people are on your side, John. I'm not sure how much comfort you get from that but there you have it.
Most of us are regular people who believe they are in the right.
I don't disagree with you there. My inlaws are conservatives from Tennessee and they are simply wonderful people.
It is amazing how many liberals only believe in free speech when it is for a liberal cause.
I believe in free speech for everyone as long as it doesn't bring harm to other people. There's an old boxing analogy that goes something to the effect that: "your rights end where my nose begins".
Have a good one! And keep your nose covered. 
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#755393 - 09/27/09 11:06 PM
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Duncan Wells
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Agreed. . . I've already been this route though John. It's wasted energy. Once you're a racist Obama hater, you're always a racist Obama hater. Want to start a club? I'm going to stick to my pedophile thread because everyone seems to get along and agree there.
Awwwwww poor baby. Do they have a hug icon?
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#755398 - 09/27/09 11:32 PM
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John W. Selleck
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The real problem is you will never "Get it". What you are calling a harmless rhyme is a song of praise. I will reserve them for someone who has earned them. I will also reserve politics for people who are out of grade school.
I would love to see Obama do something good for this country. When he does I will say so. So far most of what he is doing is contrary to what I think is good for this country and just because I don't agree with him does not make me the hater that most liberals would like to paint me as.
Every single socialist, communist, and radical is on the side of the liberals. Does that mean you agree with how they think?
Who gets to decide when free speech hurts someone? Shouldn't people get to decide what their children are subjected to as far as politics in their school? That is what this discussion is all about.
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#755440 - 09/28/09 08:36 AM
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NaomiSue
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Duncan Duncan Duncan, get over yourself hunny.
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#755581 - 09/28/09 05:04 PM
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Duncan Wells
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The real problem is you will never "Get it". What you are calling a harmless rhyme is a song of praise. I will reserve them for someone who has earned them. I will also reserve politics for people who are out of grade school.
Sorry, John, it's YOU who doesn't get it. Hatred for any human being rears it's ugly head in funny ways. Hail to the Chief is a song of praise, God Save The Queen is a song of praise, the National anthem is a song of praise. The taliban hate the american anthem and you hate a song of praise about the president. You're a very small-minded man John. You have an agenda that serves you and only you. You will look for anything that allows you to spew your hatred upon Barack Obama. Right now it's a harmless rhyme that you got yourself all puffed up about. Tomorrow it could be the color of tie the man wears. I'm not sure what your mental condition is but you DO have something going on that isn't quite normal. Sorry, but that's my honest opinion of you.
I would love to see Obama do something good for this country.
The first good thing he did is he got elected. The second thing he did was he bailed the country out of the mess that Bush left behind with his complete mismanagement of corporate America. He is now trying to help the poor and disadvantage get access to good quality medical care but you don't care about them, do you John. The problem is John, it's not all about YOU and until you learn that it's not all about YOU there are going to all kinds of stuff, GOOD stuff, happening that's going tie your boner in a knot.
When he does I will say so.
MAN you think you're pretty important don't you. It's not up to YOU to say so, John. It's up to the American people to say so and the American people DID say so when they voted Obama in as the 44th President of the USA. People like you have to sit down and shut the hell up. Let it go. It's over. You lost. The people have spoken John. Do you know what that means in a democracy?
So far most of what he is doing is contrary to what I think is good for this country....
Nobody cares what you think John. People care about what's important for the country and in the big scheme of things you're just a single vote that, in the end, ran down your leg and had to be wiped away with a piece of toilet paper. Ahhh, the right to free expression is a wonderful thing isn't it? See how I compared your vote to wasted sperm? 
...and just because I don't agree with him does not make me the hater that most liberals would like to paint me as..
Sorry, John, but I'm painting you as a hate monger and a racist. That's my opinion of you John, and I'm entitled to it. And BTW, I base that opinion on information you have freely offered up on this forum. I don't care if you're a liberal or a conservative, you have self-identified John. Or do you even know what that means?
Every single socialist (BS), communist (BS), and radical (BS) is on the side of the liberals. Does that mean you agree with how they think?
I don't necessairly agree or disagree with any of the "ists" John. I'm a free thinker and I freely think that Barack Hussein Obama is the best thing that ever happened to the USA and I'll tell you another thing John. Once Health Care Reform is installed in the USA and the first time you or a loved one gets in a tragic car accident, is taken to the hospital, operated on, nursed back to health and walk out the door without having to pay a single penny you're going to say to yourself "WTF was I thinking?" The reason why you're going to say "WTF was I thinking" is because you have no idea whatsoever what Health Care Reform is. You have no idea what it's going to mean for ALL Americans. You're going to feel so stupid for fighting against it. You just wait and see.
Who gets to decide when free speech hurts someone?
What kind of dumb question is that? Who gets to decide? Not you and thank God for that. No one "decides" John. Here's a quick example. You are applying for a job as a school teacher and I tell the principal that you're a pedophile. So I exercised my right to free speech and you don't get the job. Back to the boxing analogy: I may have the right to swing my fist in the air, but I just hit your nose and THAT is where the line becomes crossed. Do you see how that works? Or do I have to explain more?
Shouldn't people get to decide what their children are subjected to as far as politics in their school?
Oh, you're back to the rhyme are you? You were also careful to say as far as "politics" are concerned. The truth is the "politics" of the USA is ruled by the "Democrats". Remember? They were voted in by the citizens of the USA in the last election. Maybe you missed that, or forgot (or something). And the The rhyme (the harmless rhyme) is not about parental rights, John. You're just trying to make it about parental rights. The rhyme is about the right to free speech and expression. I support it. You don't. If you want to play the parental rights game then let do that: What business do they have singing the American anthem in school without sending home a note requesting permission? What right do they have flying the flag in the faces of children without getting permission? Let's send home permission notes for every story told in class, every song sung in class, and every lesson taught in class. Should we not teach science or evolution in school without getting a permission slip from the Christians who believe that God created us and science is the work of the devil? Should we also ask white or black parents to sign permission slips that allow their children to sit next to or communicate with black or white kids? Your arguments and your defences are the most ridiculous I've ever heard coming from anybody and that says a lot over my 56 years on this earth. You are driven by nothing than your hatred of Barack Obama. Just give it up John. The people of America have spoken and they have voted Barack Hussein Obama as president of the USA, and as a good, caring, decent and patriotic American citizen you should be proud to salute him as your commander and chief.
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#755583 - 09/28/09 05:08 PM
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Duncan Wells
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Duncan Duncan Duncan, get over yourself hunny.
Hunny? HUNNY????
Oh muh little Pooh Bear, don't flirt with me. I'm old enough to be your daddy. Hey, did you get your copy of Mackenzie Phillips new book yet?
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#755589 - 09/28/09 05:32 PM
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NaomiSue
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Oh no, but can you tell how it is?
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#755593 - 09/28/09 06:18 PM
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Doug Heard
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Just a couple of things, Duncan.
This isn't a democracy. Democracy is mob rule.
Only a small % of the US voted for Obama. Right about 25%.
Bailed out the country from Bush's mess? Wasn't Bush's mess it's the government's mess that goes back decades before Bush all the way to FDR. And he didn't bailout anythng, just made slaves out of your kids, grandkids and great grandkids.
Also since he has been in office he has order the murder of US citizens in large numbers. Paying for murder is murder.
Obama is not the problem just a part of the problem. Government is the problem.
Government health care is only obtainable by the government using murder or the threat of murder to enforce it.
The only valid government is a government of unanimous consent.
The concept of one person or group of people using force to make others do or not do their wishes is evil. And government only works with the threat of force.
Government is EVIL.
Meet the new boss same as the old boss, anti freedom ,a criminal, and a murderer.
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#755651 - 09/28/09 09:57 PM
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John W. Selleck
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Duncan,
Like I said above, it isn't about who hollers the loudest. Each and every one of of the "reasons" you listed above is wrong. Anyone who reads all the posts by you can see who is the "hater", and it is not me. You, and anyone else can see that I have not said one derogatory word or called one name. Meanwhile you are trying anything you can to run down me and my beliefs.
All these "free" programs you keep going on about are not, and never will be free. They will come out of the pockets of American taxpayers. They will be going to people who think they are entitled to them just by being born here or coming here, legally, or illegally. I have always been taught that anyone worth his or her salt works to earn things and doesn't expect to be given everything in this life. If I want to give something it should be of my own free will and not because someone else decides that I owe it.
As far as the Democrats owning the country, keep watching the elections, that is about to change. Ah, change, a funny word.
You will keep on writing but from this moment on I will start ignoring. That is one of my rights and I am exercising it.
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#755678 - 09/28/09 11:09 PM
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Good thing to start ignoring, your words fall on deaf ears I'm afraid John.
That's the problem with America today, people have learned this sense of entitlement from somewhere, and it's doing nothing but ruining our country.
And Duncan look up the statistics on voter remorse. People are realizing that they made the WRONG choice. More and more people everyday. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying McCain was a saint, but he was definitely the lesser of two evils.
And right now Obama is the lesser of all the evils. If he winds up impeached then that idiot Biden takes over. And please don't try to argue with me about Biden being an idiot because every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot right in it. If something happens to Biden, Pelosi takes over.Oh I can't wait for the next election. The White House is so liberal right now it makes me want to hurl. And most of the people who put them there are ashamed to admit it.
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#755693 - 09/29/09 12:13 AM
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Duncan Wells
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Charisse Carney-Nunes, senior vice president of The Jamestown Project, and an award-winning author of the children’s books, is the writer of the Obama Song. Your censorship of her work, mine or anybody else's are not welcomed by any writer in the entire world and you are all a disgrace to any serious writer. I will now let you all in your cesspool as I really DO have better things to do.
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#755702 - 09/29/09 01:08 AM
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So true Naomi. I truly believe Americans are going to fix this in the elections to come. I hope it is not to late to fix all the things these tax and spend programs have done by then.
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#755771 - 09/29/09 09:15 AM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Doug Heard
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Fix it? That's a joke. While I think that there will be a change away from Obama it's just another case of "meet the new boss same as the old boss?
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#755783 - 09/29/09 09:41 AM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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NaomiSue
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There won't be any "fixing" anything until we've completely hit rock bottom, and people finally get the reality check they need.
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#755804 - 09/29/09 11:18 AM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
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Freedom of speech means freedom FROM the government. For example, Brian owns JPF. All the time, people who don't understand what freedom of speech means try to cry first amendment when Brian threatens to block them for writing inappropriate things, such as making personal slurs against the posters. But Brian owns JPF. Another example. If someone comes over to my house and tries to cuss out my wife and call her names, they'll find out real soon where freedom of speech ends 
However, people can criticize the government of the U.S. all they want. The first amendment, the freedom of speech amendment, reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
In this case, the school IS the government. The first amendment protects the parents who are criticizing it. The state and local governments have the right to set rules and guidelines for what is contained in the school's curriculum. If, for example, a third grade teacher started teaching about sex, they would be shut down immediately. Where's their freedom of speech? They aren't trying to establish a religion, they're just teaching about universal bodily functions? Well, that's not how it works. The community has the right to restrict the government school.
The parents have every right to object and to have their voices heard by the school system.
Let's take a look at the two songs.
Song 1:
Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Yes!
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama
This song does not once mention that Mr. Obama is the president. It encourages the children to simply help the man with his goals. Now the goal mentioned is fine "Equal work for equal pay." I'm for that. But after that, it says that "Red, Yellow, Black or White, all are equal in his sight." Well, I would hope so. They should all be equal in every president's sight. Each president swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and the Constitution's Bill of Rights has finally, thank God, become color blind. We have civil rights. Basically, to me, this song sings Mr. Obama's praises and encourages children to follow him. That's starting to tread on thin ice. I can imagine the uproar from folks if a similar song were written about Bush. Even if it were from a Caldicott winner, there would have been a huge hue and cry.
Now for the other song.
Song 2:
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"
Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!
Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country's economy number one again!
Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!
So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick
So here's a hearty hip-hooray ----
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Fine, no problems. Exept: "Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country's economy number one again!" so, the children are supposed to honor one political agenda over another? Sure sounds like that to me.
Basically, it smacks of indoctrination. In the first song, they honor Mr. Obama without mentioning that he's president, and he's to be honored as a person for doing what a president is simply supposed to do. In the second, they praise his economic plan. Indoctrination.
I am sure the teacher meant well. Mr. Obama should be highly regarded and remembered as the first black president. That is something I've wanted to see happen all of my life. He's not the first black person I've supported for president, I didn't support him in the election, but was very happy that a black man was elected. I just was not happy that it was someone with such a leftist background. To me it was good sociologically, bad politically. I fear the undbridled social agendas of the left will bankrupt us. Heck, we've already been bankrupted by the agendas of both the right and the left politicians. Pork and indiscretion has put us to where the total public debt outstanding, as of four days ago is $11,770,698,157,074.20 according to Treasury Direct.gov :
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
So I don't want school children taught to sing the praises of Mr. Obama's economic policies. Not when their children will have to pay for them.
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#755856 - 09/29/09 03:25 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Lee Arten
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Mr. Wells and the children have their songs for The Dear Leader.
The rest of you had better get to work!
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#755859 - 09/29/09 04:03 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
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Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Dear Leader
(c)2033 by my great-grandchildren
Dear Leader, Dear Leader,
Though I'm only ten,
I promise when I grow,
You'll get my vote then,
I know your ideas,
Must be the right thing,
Cause that's what my teacher,
Has taught me to sing
I promise to fight against
all of your foes,
They all must be evil,
That's how the song goes,
My mommy and daddy
Must both be real jerks
Cause that's what it says
Right here in my homework
Dear Leader, Dear Leader,
My neighbor's a rat
I heard his wife say
They were both democrats
So here's his address
Cause I thought you should know
That they're wrong because
My teacher just told me so.
Dear Leader it's time
For my job afterschool
I work in the factory
Cleaning the tools
The work it is hard
And the hours are long
But we don't get no homework
Except for this song
Cause we need to pay taxes
To pay all the bills
That went to fund your plans
To cure all our ills
Free healthcare, Free housing,
Free tv's free food,
We pay for it all
For our land's common good
Dear leader I heard
That your kids don't have jobs
Tell me it's not true
It would be so odd
That one of our leaders
Would ask us to do
Anything that he wouldn't
Tell his family to.
Well so long, dear leader,
I really must go.
I think that the factory
Whistle did blow
So I've got to get out now
And do my small part
To give our economy
A new chance to start.
Hail to Dear Leader.
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#755866 - 09/29/09 04:25 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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NaomiSue
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Registered: 06/17/09
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Love it!
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#755878 - 09/29/09 05:19 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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ben willis
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I'm waiting for the Obama billboards to start popping up along the highways, ( like Mao tse tung did in China, and Saddam did in Iraq).
We don't have a supreme ruler in this country. In fact, he's a supreme nothing (a community organizer, never worked a day in his life), We only have a President. This guy has a lot of gall by plastering himself all over the media like a despot would do. The results are proving to be a disaster to him. The people are speaking out against his tactics. People aren't as dumb as he and his handlers think they are. It's a last ditch effort for socialism. They can't win.
They have to demonise the opposition and the taxpayers. That's the sign of a loser.
Congress only has 13 months to start seizing assets before the next election. Not enough time I'm afraid to say to Barney, Harry (who is in big trouble in Nev.), and Nancy.
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#755886 - 09/29/09 05:29 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Gary Gray X
Registered: 12/16/07
Posts: 2461
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when a president thinks he is bigger than "we the people" or the constitution doesn't matter anymore then he or she will become useless to the people and the people will take back their government in a peaceful way callled "the vote" but this time the votes will be real ones of living legal citizens not intimidated or coerced by radical groups waiting outside the voting place with steel batons
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#755892 - 09/29/09 05:52 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 8203
Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Well,
I don't know if anyone caught it in my song, but it was written from the point of view of a child growing up under a Republican administration.
When we let our guard down and start making the mistake of making these things personal, we all lose. It's not a personality contest. It is a contest of ideas. It is not a matter of one side or the other being evil. There is plenty of evil done on both sides. Evil knows no political theory. It lives in extremes as well as moderation.
I have no reason to believe that Mr. Obama, or Mr. Bush, or Michael Moore, or Ann Coulter are evil. I do believe that they make a mistake if they make the contest personal. That's what tv does to politics. The good looking person with the pleasing voice will win. Hmmm. It sounds like the music business. The best musician might not become the star, the best statesman might not win the election.
So when Mr. Bush or Mr. Obama have run afoul of the constitution, and they both have, they need to be called on it. But they don't need to demonized, and they both have been. That leads to a road we don't want to travel. Don't make gods or devils out of men and women. They deserve neither. We're all in this together.
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#755904 - 09/29/09 06:37 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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ben willis
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Posts: 4842
Loc: Ft. Myers, FL. USA
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Mike, I don't know if I agree with your last post.
"When we let our guard down and start making the mistake of making these things personal, we all lose." It is personal.
"It is not a matter of one side or the other being evil." I've read yourself define political evil as someone who wishes to force their beliefs on others. The Health care bill is an example. The cap and trade bill is another.
"So when Mr. Bush or Mr. Obama have run afoul of the constitution, and they both have, they need to be called on it. But they don't need to demonized, and they both have been."
When did Bush run afoul of the constitution?
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#755912 - 09/29/09 07:06 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 8203
Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Mike, I don't know if I agree with your last post.
Ben,
Then you are evil.
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#755913 - 09/29/09 07:27 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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ben willis
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Loc: Ft. Myers, FL. USA
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Bwahaha, Lex Luthor was right. We will rule the world.
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#755916 - 09/29/09 07:36 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Doug Heard
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Evil knows no political theory.
Of course it does. Evil is using force against others except in self defense. Government is evil.
When did Bush run afoul of the constitution?
Patriot Act, sending troops to war with out a congressional declaration of war, first bail out.
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#755917 - 09/29/09 07:46 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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ben willis
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"Patriot Act, sending troops to war with out a congressional declaration of war, first bail out."
I believe that was a Unites Nations declaration. We happened to have more troops. Is the United nations mentioned in the Constitution?
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#755918 - 09/29/09 07:46 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 8203
Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Just pulling your chain
But that's part of the point. Just because someone disagrees, that doesn't make them evil.
To specifics:
I wrote, "When we let our guard down and start making the mistake of making these things personal, we all lose." you responded, "It is personal." When it is personal, it is a mistake. That is exactly the mistake people make who think these school songs are okay. On one side, it is called "argumentum ad hominem," on the other side it is the cult of personality. Many of the pols would like us to make things personal, then it becomes a beauty contest or a mudfight and the issues get ignored.
You said "I've read yourself define political evil as someone who wishes to force their beliefs on others." Are those my exact words? If they were, I WAS WRONG. I have absolutely no right, nor does anyone else have the right to call another human being evil. That is a right that belongs to God. I cannot judge people, I can only judge actions or ideas. Have I done evil things? You betcha. Almost all of us have.
The Bible puts it this way in Matthew 7:
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Heavy stuff, man.
As to Mr. Bush, I turn to no less a raging liberal than Ron Paul from his interview with Prison Planet:
"Opining that the US had entered a period of "soft fascism," Paul noted that the legacy of the Bush administration has been the total abandonment of Constitutional principles.
"Congress has generously ignored the Constitution while the President flaunts it, the courts have ignored it and they get in the business of legislating so there's no respect for the rule of law." said Paul.
"When the Presidents signs all these bills and then adds statements after saying I have no intention of following it - he's in a way signing it and vetoing - so in his mind he's vetoing a lot of bills, in our mind under the rule of law he hasn't vetoed a thing."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/100706impeachbush.htm
His signing statements, his push for a one-world government, the so called Patriot Act. Many of these were designed to push, circumvent and ignore the spirit and arguably the letter of the Constitution.
Lawyers, of course may read the Constitution differently.
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Anybody who’s made it will tell you, you can make it. Anyone who hasn’t made it will tell you, you can’t -John Mayer Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure. -Earl Wilson It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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#755926 - 09/29/09 08:11 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Update:
Lanny Davis, the very liberal Democrat lawyer from the Clinton White House, just said that anyone, Democrat or Republican, should be against such songs as these in question.
He also said, "The left and the right are both guilty of demonizing the opposition and they both have it wrong."
Interesting. A liberal agrees with me. It must be a sign of the end times.
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Anybody who’s made it will tell you, you can make it. Anyone who hasn’t made it will tell you, you can’t -John Mayer Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure. -Earl Wilson It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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#755929 - 09/29/09 08:24 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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ben willis
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Mike , I've read you describe your idea of evil. I was paraphrasing. It happens to be my vision of evil too. I didn't quote you because I may be wrong. If I did, then I apologize.
When a parent takes a school song personal they think of others trying to indoctrinate their children. That is very personal. It's a family matter.
Ron Paul may be the best constitutionalist since Thomas Jefferson, but the Iraq war was a United Nations war and has very little to do with the US Constitution except for the number of troops that we sent over there.
We did the hard work as usual.
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#755932 - 09/29/09 08:33 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
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I didn't mention the Iraq War. I may have called political actions or even intentions as evil. If I called people evil, I was definitely wrong.
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Anybody who’s made it will tell you, you can make it. Anyone who hasn’t made it will tell you, you can’t -John Mayer Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure. -Earl Wilson It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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#755935 - 09/29/09 08:37 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Ray E. Strode
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Registered: 05/22/01
Posts: 4540
Loc: Brunswick, Ga. USA
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I remember,
Back when I was still in grade school the children of my age had a saying even then. LSMFT. Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco. They changed it to say Lord Save me From Truman. Harry Truman was president then and even tho we only had radio, maybe some had television, I don't think we even had electricity yet they were already making up their minds. I don't think a little school song will change many minds.
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#755938 - 09/29/09 08:46 PM
Re: Video of Students singing praise songs of Obama...
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Mike Dunbar
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Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 8203
Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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George Bush used approx. 750 "signing statements" which were used to effectively veto laws. The American Bar Association had a blue ribbon panel on signing statements that voted unanimously to:
"oppose, as contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers, a President's issuance of signing statements to claim the authority or state the intention to disregard or decline to enforce all or part of a law he has signed, or to interpret such a law in a manner inconsistent with the clear intent of Congress."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_sta...ning_statements
I'm not one who cares whether it is Republicans or Democrats who bend the constitution. I vote for neither, anyway. Two sides of the same coin. Spend and Tax, or Spend and Spend. Striped ties, or flowered ties.
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