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#753162 - 09/18/09 02:08 PM
Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Duncan Wells
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Just finished watching a video that talks about all of the terrorists that have been killed so far since Obama took office. I posted the link below. I'm thinking it's only going to be a matter of time before he chops the head off the serpent. Fingers crossed!
Check Out The Video Here
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#753283 - 09/19/09 12:43 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Joe Wrabek
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I am forced to remember--and paraphrase--another Democratic President, Bill Clinton. "Define 'terrorist'."
Joe
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#753411 - 09/19/09 05:39 PM
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RE_Goldenbird
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In this case the definition of terrorist seems to be people who facilitate and/or plan al qaeda terrorist actions. Seems to me that anyone who thought this was a good idea under the Bush administration would still think it's a good idead under the Obama admin. If it's true, it's good; I think the young turks are great entertainment, but I don't know that they are the most reliable source.
Cheers,
Rick
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Whatever you want -- but don't wave that thing at me"
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#753413 - 09/19/09 05:53 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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That's funny seeing as how he's spent so much time trying to convince us of how much these people have benefited us so far. I'll do some digging, I'd like to know how much of this is true, and how much of this is just more Obama hype. Plus, why would he kill one terrorist only to shake the hand of another (by a looser definition) but still a terrorist none the less.
I don't get my hopes up to much when it comes to him, he seems to disappoint on everything so far.
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#753436 - 09/19/09 07:18 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Mike Dunbar
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#753440 - 09/19/09 07:34 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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ben willis
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Why isn't the main stream media reporting daily body counts of American soldiers any more? They sure enjoyed it when Bush was President. Hmmm!
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#753446 - 09/19/09 08:21 PM
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John W. Selleck
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Isn't this the same candidate that was saying how bad the war was and he was going to have us out by the end of his first year as president? I am also sure that if he was personally killing these terrorists we would be watching videos of it on MSNBC and that Pelosi and company would be putting a nice spin on it.
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#753448 - 09/19/09 08:31 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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That's like saying the kids who died at Columbine should have denounced God, just so they could live. What they did was commendable at the highest standards. Obama is a coward.
How funny that a high school student is braver than the leader of our nation. That speaks volumes if you ask me.
Edited by NaomiSue (09/19/09 09:56 PM)
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#753502 - 09/20/09 06:13 AM
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Jerry Jakala
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If a politican had to actually pick up a gun there would never be a war!
They are real brave with every one else's life!
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#753518 - 09/20/09 09:00 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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If they were democrat yes but you know republicans love our guns and we're not afraid to use them!
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#753541 - 09/20/09 11:26 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: NaomiSue]
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Gary Gray X
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us Texan Independants use our guns too and we make our own bullets
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#753555 - 09/20/09 12:18 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: ben willis]
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Duncan Wells
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Why isn't the main stream media reporting daily body counts of American soldiers any more? They sure enjoyed it when Bush was President. Hmmm!
I'm not sure how many soldiers you folks have lost so far down there but here in Canada they do release the names. The news this morning, in announcing that another Canadian soldier was killed by an IED, they said 131 have died so far. I'm guessing you guys have lost even more than that. Very sad! Anyway, like the man said, "we're all in this together", in more ways than just one.
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#753564 - 09/20/09 12:40 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Duncan Wells
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If a politican had to actually pick up a gun there would never be a war!
They are real brave with every one else's life!
Amen!
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#753566 - 09/20/09 12:49 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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But it is a very good comparison. A teenage kid can stand up for what he/she knows is right, but a grown man can't because he's to influenced by his political party. Obama is to worried about playing God than he is taking care of a country who needs it very badly.
And for Michelle Obama shame on her for using her kids as a political platform. She said that when he daughter was younger she had to take her to the doctor bc she wouldn't stop crying and their pediatrician directed them to the emergency room bc there was a chance she had meningitis. She said her first thought was "Thank God we have insurance." What a liberal, if that was her first thought she should be slapped. Her first thought should have Oh my God I hope my baby is okay. But anyway even if she didn't have personal health care her daughter still would have been treated because it's federal law that a hospital can't turn someone away bc they don't have insurance.
Find another argument instead of trying to appeal to feminists by using your kids. Seriously.
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#753570 - 09/20/09 01:25 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: Jerry Jakala]
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Bill Robinson
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If a politican had to actually pick up a gun there would never be a war!
They are real brave with every one else's life!
You mean guys like like this?
Politicians who have served for our country?
I edited this to reflect service rather than actual combat time. I it unlikely that all saw combat.
These are Presidents only.
Revolutionary War
- George Washington
- James Madison
- James Monroe
- Andrew Jackson
War of 1812
- Andrew Jackson
- William Henry Harrison
- John Tyler
- Zachary Taylor
Black Hawk War
- Abraham Lincoln
Mexican War
- Zachary Taylor
- Millard Fillmore
- Franklin Pierce
- Ulysses S. Grant
Civil War
- Andrew Johnson
- Ulysses S. Grant
- Rutherford B. Hayes
- James Garfield
- Chester A. Arthur
- Benjamin Harrison
- William McKinley
Spanish-American War
- Theodore Roosevelt
World War I
- Harry S. Truman
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
World War II
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
- John F. Kennedy
- Lyndon B. Johnson
- Richard M. Nixon
- Gerald R. Ford
- Ronald Reagan
- George H. W. Bush
Korean War
- Jimmy Carter
Vietnam War
- George W. Bush
Edited by Bill Robinson (09/20/09 03:47 PM)
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#753572 - 09/20/09 01:32 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Kevin Emmrich
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Interesting list there, Bill. I am glad you added George W. for Vietnam. Even though he never went over there, he was in the National Guard. As we found out in the latest Iraq War, the NG are quite likely to be called into harm's way at anytime. They aren't just sitting around drinking beer (well ....).
I was surprised that John Kerry's service in Vietnam was somehow twisted against him -- but that's politics.
Kevin
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#753573 - 09/20/09 01:41 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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ben willis
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Andrew Jackson also fought in the first Seminole Indian war. It only lasted about 8 weeks so it's often overlooked.
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#753582 - 09/20/09 02:30 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Duncan Wells
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But it is a very good comparison.
No, Miss Montgomery. I think the point of my response was that your comparrison was NOT a good comparrison. In fact, I thought it was a little extreme and, with all due respect, a lot ridiculous. But that's just me.
Edited by Duncan Wells (09/20/09 02:30 PM)
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#753585 - 09/20/09 02:39 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Duncan Wells
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Andrew Jackson also fought in the first Seminole Indian war. It only lasted about 8 weeks so it's often overlooked.
Thanks for posting that. It inspired me to look it up. Here's a link for anyone interested.
Seminole Indian Wars
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#753594 - 09/20/09 03:40 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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Why is it ridiculous, the columbine shooters were terrorists themselves. Those kids didn't change their beliefs just because they were face to face with them. Extreme it may be, but I don't think ridiculous at all. But I guess this a point where political minds disagree.
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#753599 - 09/20/09 04:07 PM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Kevin Emmrich
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Let's study some logic.
1) Obama shakes the hand of Chavez at an international meeting of leaders.
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2) Columbine victim doesn't renounce God and gets shot.
Therefore,
Obama is a coward.
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Did I miss anything in this little lesson in logic?
Kevin
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#753603 - 09/20/09 04:50 PM
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John W. Selleck
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Originally Posted By: John W. Selleck
"I am also sure that if he was personally killing these terrorists we would be watching videos of it on MSNBC and that Pelosi and company would be putting a nice spin on it."
Originally Posted By:Duncan Wells
"LOL...I laughed soooo much at that line. Of course, he's not killing them with his bare hands. Like any President (or Prime Minister), he's got people doing that work FOR him. Of course, when I read this, I envisioned that widely distributed photo of Obama dressed as a superhero flying high above Afghanastan searching below (with his Xray vision) for deadly terrorists that he can swoop down and beat to death with his super strength."
I put this line in my response specifically because of the name of this post "Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists" sure sounds like he is killing them himself. It wasn't "A lot of terrorists have been killed since Obama took office". Again this is a war he was highly publicized as being against. He is finding it is more popular with a majority of this country to be for it. Hmmmmmmm.
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#753611 - 09/20/09 05:42 PM
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NaomiSue
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Disagree all you like, that's what this forum is for. It's a discussion. My only point in that analogy was to show that a teenaged child can show more bravery than our president. Shaking his hand was the same as patting him on the butt and saying "Go get em Tiger". He is the epitome of the battered dog that cowers at your feet wagging his tail and peeing himself.
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#753613 - 09/20/09 05:58 PM
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RE_Goldenbird
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Isn't this the same candidate that was saying how bad the war was and he was going to have us out by the end of his first year as president?
I wonder John, isn't it possible that by taking out so many al qaeda leaders Obama is moving us toward the end of armed combat in the region? Maybe?
Naomi, the Columbine shooters killed themselves, I'm not sure what teenagers you're talking about. I know a number of kids who were in there that day, and one woman who's child was accused of being part of the trench coat mafia just because the kid had blue hair. But I am glad to see you are concerned with polititans exploiting their children, I'm sure you speak up every time Sarah Palin tosses her kids out in front of the cameras too.
Cheers,
Rick
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Whatever you want -- but don't wave that thing at me"
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#753625 - 09/20/09 07:22 PM
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John W. Selleck
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The question still remains; is it Obama taking out the leaders or our military? I am sure he will not mind taking the credit and I am also sure most of the media will be quite happy giving it to him but without our military there in the first place it would not be happening.
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#753628 - 09/20/09 07:36 PM
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NaomiSue
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I think politicians Republicans and Democrats alike should keep their kids out of the mix. It's no place for them and it forces the spotlight on them. It's potentially stressful for those kids. Sarah Palin is not immune to my line of fire, lol.
As for the Columbine shooting, it was highly publicized that the Trench Coat Killers, asked a few students who were well known Christians if they believed in God, if they said no they would have lived, if they said yes, they died. They chose to die, in light of keeping their faith. See the song Cassie by Flyleaf. That song was written about a girl named Cassie that was asked that question by the killers. She said yes and died because of it.
I haven't researched it yet but I'm sure that if Obama were having terrorists killed, then it would have been all over CNBC. The press is digging for some kind of light to shed on him right now. I'll do some searching for my own benefit to see if it's true. If he is then good for him, I'll give him 50 points for every one he knocks off, so maybe it will counteract the thousands of points on the bad list.
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#753660 - 09/20/09 09:19 PM
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NaomiSue
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Oh come on now, no cheap shots. You'd fit in well with the liberals (if you're not one already) by stooping to those lows. Find a real argument, not one made up in your mind because I disagree with you. You wouldn't take to kindly to me attacking your wife, partner, or lack there of would you? My husband is a hard working blue collar man. Leave him out of the jokes please. He works 60+ hours a week and isn't a part of this discussion.
It may have been meant as a joke but over my family I will get fighting mad. That's my one button, I can take all the jokes in the world about me but leave my family out of it, since you know none of them.
Don't cross lines, it's not very polite. And even more tasteless.
Edited by NaomiSue (09/20/09 11:37 PM)
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#753714 - 09/21/09 01:42 AM
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Kevin Edward Rose
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Vietnam War
- George W. Bush
People make jokes about W's service in the National Guard, but say what you will... during his tenure in the National Guard, not ONCE did the Viet Cong invade U.S. soil!
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#753721 - 09/21/09 05:32 AM
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Bill Robinson
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Interesting list there, Bill. I am glad you added George W. for Vietnam. Even though he never went over there, he was in the National Guard. As we found out in the latest Iraq War, the NG are quite likely to be called into harm's way at anytime. They aren't just sitting around drinking beer (well ....).
I was surprised that John Kerry's service in Vietnam was somehow twisted against him -- but that's politics.
Kevin
Kevin Emmrich
I didn't add anyone. That is simply a list of Presidents who served in the Military. George Bush served in the National Guard and that was questionable by some folks. Especially the left. But they usually use snide comments and half truths to make personal attacks when they have nothing else.
People think these Presidents send soldiers into war with no regard for human life. Use the "well if they had to go they wouldn't send them" line. Nothing could be further from the truth. Being in the position to send someone into a combat situation knowing full well they might be killed is a terrible responsibility. I doubt any of those men on that list slept very well.
I notice Kevin didn't make any remarks about Jimmy Carter who left 53 Americans to rot in Iran. Real Stand up guy that Jimmy Carter. 8 men were killed in a failed rescue attempt.
Kerry wasn't A President but I think the Swift Boat controversy was the problem and I can't even remember what it was.
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#753727 - 09/21/09 06:35 AM
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Kevin Edward Rose
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I notice Kevin didn't make any remarks about Jimmy Carter who left 53 Americans to rot in Iran. Real Stand up guy that Jimmy Carter. 8 men were killed in a failed rescue attempt.
Jimmy Carter was not the most effective president this country has ever had, but I truly believe he was the most sincere and least self-serving president to have served in my lifetime. (I was one month old when JFK died, so I can't include him on my list.) Stand up guy? Absolutely.
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#753728 - 09/21/09 07:26 AM
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RE_Goldenbird
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Ah, thanks Naomi I'd forgotten about that. I still don't get your comparison, as far as I know Obama hasn't denounced God. As far as the girl standing up to terrorists, I don't know. Did the shooters spare the lives of anyone who did renounce God? If I were in that situation (having been already shot once & then asked such a question) I'd say the same thing. I don't think I'd believe that lying would save my life & certainly wouldn't want the last words out of my mouth renouncing God.
So why would Obama shake Chavez' hand? Because Chavez is the elected presedent of a sovern nation. You don't have to like that, you can question the validity of the election, but he IS the elected presedent. There's lots of pictures of H.W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. I don't belive they ever thought of him as anything but a terrorist adn a murderous thug. However, he was the elected representative of Iraq, and they had use for him then.
Ben, what news do you watch? Because I'm seeing the bodycounts on mainstream media every day. It's pretty hard to avoid actually.
Bil; you say, "George Bush served in the National Guard and that was questionable by some folks. Especially the left. But they usually use snide comments and half truths to make personal attacks when they have nothing else."
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but that seems like a snide comment and a half truth. I don't remeber people having a problem with the Bush serving in the Guard. People question HOW he got into the guard, a lot of people thought that his father used influence to get his son into a position that would not see combat. People also questioned his record, why he lost his flight status, weather he went AWOL, if he fufilled his contract with the Guard. They're all resonable questions and those people may be right; might be wrong.
You also say, "Jimmy Carter who left 53 Americans to rot in Iran." Funny thing about that is those prisoners were released as Reagan took the oath of office. But I guess Carter had nothing to do with that at all. Yup was all Reagan, those Iranians were SOOOOOOO afraid of an actor from California that they just let everybody go while he was getting sworn in as opposed to facing the wrath that would surely come as soon as Reagan said, "So help me God."
But hey, good thing you're not a liberal who uses half truths, personal attacks and snide remarks.
Have a nice day,
Rick
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Whatever you want -- but don't wave that thing at me"
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I'm just a verb living in the body of a noun.
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#753768 - 09/21/09 09:36 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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Okay so my point was missed, I can live with that.
I still have to say though I'm still more than a little peeved at Duncan Wells and his comment. So distasteful.
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#753773 - 09/21/09 09:43 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Kevin Emmrich
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If you don't want to get dirty, don't roll around in the mud.
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#753774 - 09/21/09 09:46 AM
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Bill Robinson
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Rick
You really believe Iran let those people go because of something Carter did? That after 444 days they suddenly got afraid of Jimmy Carter?
Actually I believe the Algiers Accord had something to do with it. It was an American give away. A negotiation for hostages, finalized less than 24 hours before Reagan took office.
Coincidence?
I think the first thing that actor from Hollywood would have done was go after them. And they new it. He said so.
Actually the TRUTH is; it was 20 minutes after Reagan took the oath.
I'm not sure why it is so important to be specific when mentioning that folks questioned Bush's National Guard service. It was questioned on a lot of counts. And rightly so.
I'd like to see a detail on one of my "half truths" cause as far as I can tell there are none.
But that aside. Why are you attacking me? I don't think I said a word to you or directed a post at you.
As far as my not being a liberal? Yep. you are right I am about as far from being a liberal as you can get. Damn proud of it too.
Beyond my "snide? remark do you see any personal attack on anyone?
Actually I don't really think it is a snide remark. I think it is the truth.
Can it be a snide remark if it is true?
on the other hand.....
As far as the original point of this thread goes I don't think any of those terrorists are killed without a kill order from the President. So as much as I don't like President Obama I believe he is directly involved in the order to carry out the kill. On that I commend him.
Edited by Bill Robinson (09/21/09 09:56 AM)
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#753775 - 09/21/09 09:57 AM
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Doug Heard
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Even given George. I'm amazed that the entire VN generation has been skipped.
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#753776 - 09/21/09 09:58 AM
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NaomiSue
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If you don't want to get dirty, don't roll around in the mud.
Kevin
I don't have a problem getting dirty. The problem is none of you have ever met my husband, nor was he in on this discussion, so why bring him into it.
Are we all going to start bashing each other's families now?
Seems to me like no one has a problem with that.
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#753777 - 09/21/09 10:01 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: Bill Robinson]
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NaomiSue
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Registered: 06/17/09
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Rick
You really believe Iran let those people go because of something Carter did? That after 444 days they suddenly got afraid of Jimmy Carter?
Actually I believe the Algiers Accord had something to do with it. It was an American give away. A negotiation for hostages, finalized less than 24 hours before Reagan took office.
Coincidence?
I think the first thing that actor from Hollywood would have done was go after them. And they new it. He said so.
Actually the TRUTH is; it was 20 minutes after Reagan took the oath.
I'm not sure why it is so important to be specific when mentioning that folks questioned Bush's National Guard service. It was questioned on a lot of counts. And rightly so.
I'd like to see a detail on one of my "half truths" cause as far as I can tell there are none.
But that aside. Why are you attacking me? I don't think I said a word to you or directed a post at you.
As far as my not being a liberal? Yep. you are right I am about as far from being a liberal as you can get. Damn proud of it too.
Beyond my "snide? remark do you see any personal attack on anyone?
Actually I don't really think it is a snide remark. I think it is the truth.
Can it be a snide remark if it is true?
on the other hand.....
As far as the original point of this thread goes I don't think any of those terrorists are killed without a kill order from the President. So as much as I don't like President Obama I believe he is directly involved in the order to carry out the kill. On that I commend him.
Attacking seems to be the M.O. right now. People don't agree with what gets said, and don't know how to respond, so they get nasty.
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#753781 - 09/21/09 10:15 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: NaomiSue]
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Kevin Emmrich
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Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 8632
Loc: Crozet, VA
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It is a long way from Duncan's off-beat response to your off-beat comment about Obama to him attacking your family. But if you see it as an attack on your family then that is your right.
Attacking and nastiness is what this political forum is all about -- from both sides. I find your attacks on Obama illogical, nasty and without taste. But I respect your desire to make your position known.
But sides have been drawn and no matter what you say, you get attacked. I commented that I respected George W's time in the National Guard and then Bill goes off on me about Carter and Iran. I don't know where all that fits in, but that it what this place has become. A place of hatred and intolerance. Kind of fun.
Kevin
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#753786 - 09/21/09 10:28 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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Registered: 06/17/09
Posts: 601
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I can respect the attacks against me. It happens when you voice a political opinion. I can also acknowledge that my comparison was extreme. My view on Obama is also extreme. I don't like him that is a known fact. However, I don't want to see him fail. If he fails this country fails, and we can't afford something like that right now. Not with people just waiting for their opportunity.
I want him to succeed and I have to live with him least until the next election. It's not about him being a liberal or his skin color or anything other than I don't think he is right for this country.
I would gladly vote for a democrat if he had the right qualities.
I just don't see how this jumped from a discussion about Obama to a forum that attacks people who have no part of it.
Attack the people stating their opinions. Not the innocent bystanders. Attack me all day long. That is fine, I deserve it for posting here in the first place, and will take it in stride when you do. I am an extreme conservative, I live with people attacking my opinions everyday.
It's just a little juvenile, to make cracks like that. I guess I could have followed in suit and replied with "your mama". But would have probably been lynched or burned at the stake.
Edited by NaomiSue (09/21/09 10:29 AM)
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#753794 - 09/21/09 10:42 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: NaomiSue]
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Kevin Emmrich
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Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 8632
Loc: Crozet, VA
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Yea, "mama" is off-limits!!!
Kevin
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#753797 - 09/21/09 10:48 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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NaomiSue
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Registered: 06/17/09
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LOL, I figured so, what a shame. I mean they even based a TV show off of Yo Mama jokes. It's hosted by that guy from That 70's show. The one who played Fez. Isn't it funny how someone can capitalize on such a vile thing as making fun of a good woman. But whatever floats the public's boat I guess.
Oh and Kevin even though we don't see eye to eye, I still think you're an alright, well . . .um . . okay guy. But don't tell anyone I said that. I'd hate for people to think I'm actually nice to someone who disagrees with me. What a bad reputation to have.
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#753804 - 09/21/09 11:00 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: NaomiSue]
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Bill Robinson
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Registered: 02/28/04
Posts: 6190
Loc: Curmudgeonville, Tn
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Kevin
I didn't mean to "go off" on you.
I was pointing out that you made a point of bashing Bush's involvement in the military. My post did not point out failings or accomplishments of the presidents that served in the Military. Only that they served.
You had to take that and use it as a slam against Bush whom I figure you don't like.
So I took a slam against Carter whom I don't like. Never did, never will.
But I was not slamming you. Least I hope not.
peace.
I had Duncan on my ignore list so I had to see what the fuss was about.
I don't blame Naomi a bit for taking that as a disrespect of her husband/"boyfriend".
That is exactly the kind of "Snide remark" I was referring to.
I am not sure I understand why someone would not see it as such.
Edited by Bill Robinson (09/21/09 11:05 AM)
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#753808 - 09/21/09 11:10 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Kevin Emmrich
Top 20 Poster
Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 8632
Loc: Crozet, VA
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was pointing out that you made a point of bashing Bush's involvement in the military.
Read my statement again -- you are way off base. I was saying that folks have to respect service in the National Guard. But I do understand that some tried to make an issue of Bush's service -- I guess you just lumped me in there.
Kevin
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#753820 - 09/21/09 11:32 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
[Re: Bill Robinson]
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Mike Dunbar
JPF Mentor
Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 8203
Loc: Nashville Tennessee
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Your mother wears combat boots.
Playing the "dozens" is an old game. The objective is to get the other player mad enough to get out of control. Line up over the ball and see what the other guy starts saying to you. He's trying to get you mad and out of control so you'll make mistakes.
It probably had its beginnings in combat. Controlled anger is a powerful motivator. Out of control anger is an inhibitor.
It has long been a staple of the British Parliament. In the middle 1700's, John Montagu said of John Wilkes, "You shall either die of the pox or on the gallows"
John Wilkes replied, "That sir depends on whether I embrace your mistress or your politics”
But today's "reality tv" and "internet forum" mindset moves the game to a venue of discourse that it has never seen...personal communication between strangers.
I get on websites of many types. Some are pretty rough and tumble. Frankly, way beyond anything I've ever seen on JPF, even from the trolls. But people there expect it. We don't expect it here. Sure, JPF folks will speak ill and crudely about politicians, music biz executives or record labels, stars, or even religions. In its extreme, one can just ignore it. But by virtue of our slogan, "We're all in this together," it is against JPF principles to make personal attacks, even if they are not done seriously.
Play nice.
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#753830 - 09/21/09 11:52 AM
Re: Obama's Killing A Lot Of Terrorists
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Ray E. Strode
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Registered: 05/22/01
Posts: 4540
Loc: Brunswick, Ga. USA
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Careful there Mike,
John Wilkes was most likely an Ancester of mine on my Father's side. A John Wilkes migrated to America in Colonial times. He is in the family history completed by my Aunt in 1938. Could be the same one. So was Col. William Strode. Some of my Ancesters named Strode were in the House of Commons, so were the Wilkes. Two at the same time. It was rough and tumble back then too. Ah growing pains! The more things change the more they stay the same.
Edited by Ray E. Strode (09/21/09 12:31 PM)
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