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#629395 - 06/29/08 02:38 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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anyone using these?
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#629833 - 07/01/08 10:07 AM
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Terrific --- thanks very much. Your ideas clarify many things for me.
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#630676 - 07/04/08 04:10 PM
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you're welcome now go write hits
ande
Terrific --- thanks very much. Your ideas clarify many things for me.
Tom
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#630686 - 07/04/08 05:13 PM
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14) Keep It Conversational Write a lyric the way you would say it. Lyrics are conversational, don't reverse word order for the sake of rhyme, only use words you'd use in a natural normal conversation. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Harlan Howard said, write songs so people who are half listening can half understand.
This tip is genre specific. It is a good tip for country music lyrics but not such a good tip for hard rock or heavy metal, where lyrics can often be very mystical and poetic.
If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now It's just a spein clean for the may queen
The above is not very conversational. Neither is the following:
Wake up, Grab a brush and put a little (makeup), Grab a brush and put a little, Hide the scars to fade away the (shakeup) Hide the scars to fade away the, Why'd you leave the keys upon the table? Here you go create another fable
You wanted to, Grab a brush and put a little makeup, You wanted to, Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup, You wanted to, Why'd you leave the keys upon the table, You wanted to,
I don't think you trust, In, my, self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die, Die,
Wake up, Grab a brush and put a little (makeup), Grab a brush and put a little, Hide the scars to fade away the (shakeup) Hide the scars to fade away the, Why'd you leave the keys upon the table? Here you go create another fable
You wanted to, Grab a brush and put a little makeup, You wanted to, Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup, You wanted to, Why'd you leave the keys upon the table, You wanted to,
I don't think you trust, In, my, self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die In my, self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die
Father, Father, Father, Father, Father Into your hands I commend my spirit, Father, into your hands,
Why have you forsaken me, In your eyes forsaken me, In your thoughts forsaken me, In your heart forsaken, me oh,
Trust in my self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die, In my self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die.
Chop Suey - System of a Down
And then there's Kurt Cobain
load up on guns and Bring your friends It's fun to lose And to pretend She's over bored And self assured Oh no, i know A dirty word
Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My libido Yeah
I'm worse at what i do best And for this gift i feel blessed Our little group has always been And always will until the end
Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My libido Yeah
(solo)
And i forget Just why i taste Oh yeah, i guess it makes me smile I found it hard It was hard to find Oh well, whatever, nevermind
Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello, how low? Hello hello hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My libido A denial A denial A denial A denial A denial A denial A denial A denial A denial
Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
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#630948 - 07/05/08 06:17 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Ande Rasmussen
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hey rblight,
I think tip 2 covers it, plus tip 38 which I haven't written yet which is
"artists can do whatever they want, it just needs to sound good"
02) No Rules There are no rules, there are only tools, guidelines. You'll find exceptions to everything below, but it's generally good to use the tools, unless you have a really good reason not to. It's important to understand each guideline.
14) Keep It Conversational Write a lyric the way you would say it. Lyrics are conversational, don't reverse word order for the sake of rhyme, only use words you'd use in a natural normal conversation. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Harlan Howard said, write songs so people who are half listening can half understand.
This tip is genre specific. It is a good tip for country music lyrics but not such a good tip for hard rock or heavy metal, where lyrics can often be very mystical and poetic.
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#647756 - 08/31/08 09:01 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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should these be included as tips:
a. The more you've worked on a lyric the more likely you are to be blind to its flaws and the more eager you are to want to say it's done and move on to the next one.
b. Some lyrics are worth revisiting and rewriting, others aren't and were just stepping stones to your next ones.
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#648144 - 09/02/08 10:27 AM
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Tom Shea
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I continue to go back and read this list of tips. I find that the more songs I write the more meaning I find in these tips. Thanks very much,
Tom
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#648159 - 09/02/08 11:41 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Hey Tom
You're welcome Glad to hear they're helping you
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#677671 - 12/28/08 10:43 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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anyone using these?
Ande
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#677682 - 12/28/08 11:29 AM
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Hey Andy,
First off, thanks for all these tips...several I already knew, but others, I was like, DUH, what was I thinking? Plus, it's nice to have this concise list to refer back to.
It seems I never have enough time to write, but no matter what's going on, my song radar IS on 100% of the time. My family and friends are constantly subjected to "hmm, there's a song in there somewhere". Just in conversation here on the boards, I find that happens a lot..."HOOK ALERT!"
So here's at least one person using your tips -- and I suspect there are more than a few others....
Cheers, Beth
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#677699 - 12/28/08 01:02 PM
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26) Bits and Pieces Songs rarely arrive fully baked. They usually arrive in bits and pieces. It's up to you to put the lyric together. Writing lyrics can be like solving puzzles.
I hope this helps you write better songs, Let me know if it does.
Ande Rasmussen
Ande, to let you know, this tip saves me a lot of worry. I can now jot down the beginnings of something and leave it for later, confident that it's all not "here" yet. My mind will work on it while I'm doing other things. And every time I come back to it, I see and add new things! So, thanks for that bit of wisdom!
Kristi
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#706721 - 03/31/09 03:37 PM
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Ande Rasmussen
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hey beth
thank you glad to hear it
ande
Hey Andy,
First off, thanks for all these tips...several I already knew, but others, I was like, DUH, what was I thinking? Plus, it's nice to have this concise list to refer back to.
It seems I never have enough time to write, but no matter what's going on, my song radar IS on 100% of the time. My family and friends are constantly subjected to "hmm, there's a song in there somewhere". Just in conversation here on the boards, I find that happens a lot..."HOOK ALERT!"
So here's at least one person using your tips -- and I suspect there are more than a few others....
Cheers, Beth
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#706724 - 03/31/09 03:41 PM
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Ande Rasmussen
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Hey Kristi,
You're welcome.
Songs come to me in bits and pieces. Very rarely complete & fully baked. Also overcome the desire to drown them at birth. When I reviewed rewrites that helped me and my cowriters finally arrive to our final draft, some of the early drafts were pretty bad.
I'm a big believer in the set aside technique. I'll set lyrics aside for weeks, months & sometimes years. Then come back to them.
Great songs are co-re-written.
Ande
26) Bits and Pieces Songs rarely arrive fully baked. They usually arrive in bits and pieces. It's up to you to put the lyric together. Writing lyrics can be like solving puzzles.
I hope this helps you write better songs, Let me know if it does.
Ande Rasmussen
Ande, to let you know, this tip saves me a lot of worry. I can now jot down the beginnings of something and leave it for later, confident that it's all not "here" yet. My mind will work on it while I'm doing other things. And every time I come back to it, I see and add new things!  So, thanks for that bit of wisdom! Kristi
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#706728 - 03/31/09 04:20 PM
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Barry Crannell
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Great post Ande. Always nice to have a point of reference to go back to, even when experience tells us we don't need it. One thing that always stands out to me is the need to listen - a lot. "Why isn't my song better than it is?" "What makes that one work so well?"
There will always be dissenters around structure and method, etc., and certainly exceptions to everything.
Anyway - well done.
Barry
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#707148 - 04/01/09 07:57 PM
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Rand Bishop
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Ande:
Wow,you really know your stuff!
This is perhaps the most concise, complete and accurate list of songwriting tips I've ever seen. It took me more than 250 pages to say what you've summed up here. Of course, I included a bunch of song examples and more than a dozen stories of serendipity, self-destruction, recounting decades of close calls on my road to eventual victory (an experience, BTW, I wish on every creatively compulsive soul who applies him or herself to achieving songwriting success).
Anyway, I'd add only a couple of comments to your brilliant treatise.
First, songs (as copyrights) actually have only two essential components - music and lyrics. Music comprises the melody, the chordal context of the melody and the rhythm (including the relative length and dynamics of each note and the spaces in between).
Secondly, every song needs a "concept." That might be what you're getting at with your reference to "themes" and/or "ideas." By concept, I mean the characters, the story, the message, the point of view. A title is usually meaningless in and of itself. After all, what does "Yesterday" mean without that forlorn, heartbroken man longing for it?
So, as we keep our radar up and collect new song ideas and titles, we will need to paint them into a landscape that captures or re-captures a moment in time, or a period of time, or projects a wish upon the future, AND demonstrates a point of view. And, you are so right. Songs are, first and foremost, emotional things. That's how they communicate.
All in all, you have provided great wisdom in this post. As a pro in this biz for nearly 40 yrs, I take my hat off to the blogger from Texas.
Thank you for sharing this with the JPL family.
Rand Bishop songwriter/producer/author - Makin' Stuff Up, secrets of song-craft and survival in the music-biz http://www.makinstuffup.net
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#707774 - 04/03/09 03:49 PM
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Ande Rasmussen
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Thank you Barry,
I wish you the best with your songwriting
Ande
Great post Ande. Always nice to have a point of reference to go back to, even when experience tells us we don't need it. One thing that always stands out to me is the need to listen - a lot.
"Why isn't my song better than it is?" "What makes that one work so well?"
There will always be dissenters around structure and method, etc., and certainly exceptions to everything.
Anyway - well done.
Barry
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#707793 - 04/03/09 04:35 PM
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Ande Rasmussen
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Wow Rand, thank you, what an honor. I just stole bits and pieces from everyone & everything I've ever learned about lyric writing & songwriting to make it what it is. Every writer needs a frame of reference.
You're right lyrics & melody makes a copyright.
What people hear on the radio is music, melody, & lyrics. I feel like melody is most critical, and sometimes there's really cool things in the music that makes a HIT a HIT. Ear Candy. Stuff people love to hear. Over & over. Mind Meth.
Like the cool signature licks: the Bass line in Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wildside," The Instrumental intro of Shania Twain's "Man I Feel Like a Woman," The Guitar Riff in "Heaven" by Los Lonely Boys Intro to "LaBamba" Guitar Riff in Aerosmiths "walk this way" Prince was great at this in many of his huge hits in the 80's There's thousands I love.
You're right! Every song needs a concept, something that makes it stand up & be unique. The challenge we all face is every type of song has been written, we need to find new interesting ways to communicate something that millions of people connect with, with a unique distinct melody. No one has ever quite put it this way. Sometimes it's putting together 2 common things in a new way.
Taylor Swift is great at writing songs that connect with millions of teenage girls.
Katy's Perry's Hot n Cold tells off a wishy washy person in a super catchy way.
Rascall Flatts "What Hurts the Most" by Jeffrey Steele & Steve Robson is a thing of beauty with it's raw emotion & killer melodic changes.
I think Zac Brown Band's "Chicken Fried" is one feel good catchy song with a touch of Patriotism
I recently heard & really liked Pat Green's "What I'm For" It fell into my Wow!-I-wish-I-wrote-that-song list
I look for how people (who know nothing about music & songwriting) react to a song. The true measure of a song is "Fan Reaction." Sometimes I feel songwriters can be unnecessarily overly critical about songs, especially their own.
Rand thank you for sharing your wisdom. Folks oughta grab a copy of "Makin Stuff Up" by Rand Bishop
Ande Rasmussen
Ande: Wow,you really know your stuff! This is perhaps the most concise, complete and accurate list of songwriting tips I've ever seen. It took me more than 250 pages to say what you've summed up here. Of course, I included a bunch of song examples and more than a dozen stories of serendipity, self-destruction, recounting decades of close calls on my road to eventual victory (an experience, BTW, I wish on every creatively compulsive soul who applies him or herself to achieving songwriting success). Anyway, I'd add only a couple of comments to your brilliant treatise. First, songs (as copyrights) actually have only two essential components - music and lyrics. Music comprises the melody, the chordal context of the melody and the rhythm (including the relative length and dynamics of each note and the spaces in between). Secondly, every song needs a "concept." That might be what you're getting at with your reference to "themes" and/or "ideas." By concept, I mean the characters, the story, the message, the point of view. A title is usually meaningless in and of itself. After all, what does "Yesterday" mean without that forlorn, heartbroken man longing for it? So, as we keep our radar up and collect new song ideas and titles, we will need to paint them into a landscape that captures or re-captures a moment in time, or a period of time, or projects a wish upon the future, AND demonstrates a point of view. And, you are so right. Songs are, first and foremost, emotional things. That's how they communicate. All in all, you have provided great wisdom in this post. As a pro in this biz for nearly 40 yrs, I take my hat off to the blogger from Texas. Thank you for sharing this with the JPL family. Rand Bishop songwriter/producer/author - Makin' Stuff Up, secrets of song-craft and survival in the music-biz http://www.makinstuffup.net
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#708186 - 04/05/09 09:44 AM
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I think Zac Brown Band's "Chicken Fried" is one feel good catchy song with a touch of Patriotism
Interesting thing about this song and perhaps an encouragement to folks out there..... the song is not recent. It is several years old (I think at least 4 years old) before it became a "hit"
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#708385 - 04/05/09 10:22 PM
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great advice Ande,I find all of your advice very helpful to me(a newbie)I remember some of the advice that I first learned when I signed up with SongU,was that there are a lot of rules that you should apply when you are songwriting,and there are times when you just need to throw those rules out the window.After hearing some of your music,it does seems that you have mastered the art of when to follow the rules,and when not to...and "Eventually" is absolutely beautiful...my teenage daughter thinks its about her and her BF...lol
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#708590 - 04/06/09 11:09 AM
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Ande Rasmussen
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Hi Michelle, I'm glad you find my advice useful there's more if you go to http://www.songwriterblog.com then click on messages songU is great, if folks want a trial membership they can drop by http://songu.com/ifs
I feel fortunate to be a cowriter on Eventually. It's a break up song. Glad to hear your daughter likes it too.
Keep writing, critiquing, & studying songwriting, you will improve as a writer and your songs will be stronger.
Ande
great advice Ande,I find all of your advice very helpful to me(a newbie)I remember some of the advice that I first learned when I signed up with SongU,was that there are a lot of rules that you should apply when you are songwriting,and there are times when you just need to throw those rules out the window.After hearing some of your music,it does seems that you have mastered the art of when to follow the rules,and when not to...and "Eventually" is absolutely beautiful...my teenage daughter thinks its about her and her BF...lol
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#746290 - 08/19/09 06:06 PM
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anyone using these? you might find them helpful
ande
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#746306 - 08/19/09 07:54 PM
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Ethan
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Truth:
"artists can do whatever they want, it just needs to sound good"
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#746467 - 08/20/09 03:57 PM
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Ande, is the mail list still active? Just wondered, haven't received anything for what seems ages...
Chap
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#746504 - 08/20/09 06:51 PM
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Ande Rasmussen
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that's true artists can do whatever they want, though what if you're a songwriter who's creating songs for singers and artists to record and perform?
hey chapman,
I haven't sent one out since
here's the home page for IFS http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIFS/
here's the IFS Message Archive http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIFS/messages
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#773369 - 11/25/09 12:56 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Ande Rasmussen
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anyone using these? I believe they'll still work
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#774636 - 11/29/09 08:31 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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tony on songramp http://www.songramp.com/homepage.php?userid=13425 posted this
instead of sharing your lyric ideas, SET THE DAMN LYRIC ASIDE and talk to each other and come to an agreement on WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY in each part of the song... keep it simple... you have to decide:
First: what is the general storyline?... just sum up the what you want to happen in the song from beginning to end - NO LYRICS PLEASE... here is where you should decide where you let the listener in on the twist, if there is one...
verse decide what you want to say here to set things up? ... don't share the lyric, just decide what part of the story you want to tell here...you might talk about how you lead into the chorus (no lyric!)
chorus: what is the central idea you want to drive home here - you might discuss possible working hooks at this time
verse 2: how do you use this verse to move the song through time and/or to share some completely different angle on what started in the first verse...whenever possible you want to use the last line of this verse or a lift to give a new reason to repeat the chorus - it's cool when it's a little different type of lead in than you used at the end of the first verse...you can discuss that in general terms...
chorus whenever possible, you want the second singing of the chorus to provide a little more insight into the central idea - you do this by the way you choose to lead into it - you can talk about that here...
bridge: how can you use this to say something that hasn't been said elsewhere in the song - often this is the place to put the twist and really send the listener off into the last chorus with an "aha!" - and a complete understanding of the song...
all of this discussion can take place without sharing ideas for a single line in the lyric - one of the problems you've been having is that in your posts, many of you are sharing valid ideas for the song WITH maybe a so-so lyric idea to accomplish it (or vice versa) and that's where you lose each other i think these should be kept separate - especially when trying to coordinate so many people's opinions on one write...
my advice at this point: i would get together even now and agree on these issues - then go back to all the stuff you've accumulated lyrically, and see what accomplishes what you want it to...don't force it!...write new stuff if it doesn't fit with your vision for the story in each part of the song...
hope this helps... tony
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#787884 - 01/15/10 03:11 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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How's everybody's writing going?
Anything cool happening?
Ande
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#787917 - 01/15/10 04:21 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Great tips, Ande. I think Scott Rose and I went through much the same process when we wrote "Born Again Barbie" (except we were usually tossing random lines at each other the whole time). We discussed Barbie's motivation, and history, and her problems with Ken (and the impact of Ken finally coming out of the closet), and why she'd turn to religion and how it fit in with her being a role model (if a somewhat airheady one) for girls. And then everything fell together almost instantaneously. It does work--and you get a good product out of it.
Joe
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#885935 - 03/16/11 02:59 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Hey Joe,
Glad you like my tips, I hope they help more JPFers strengthen their craft and REwrite stronger songs. Great songs are Co-Re-written. "Born Again Barbie" sounds hilarious, do you have a link to it I'd like to listen
Write On,
Ande
Great tips, Ande. I think Scott Rose and I went through much the same process when we wrote "Born Again Barbie" (except we were usually tossing random lines at each other the whole time). We discussed Barbie's motivation, and history, and her problems with Ken (and the impact of Ken finally coming out of the closet), and why she'd turn to religion and how it fit in with her being a role model (if a somewhat airheady one) for girls. And then everything fell together almost instantaneously. It does work--and you get a good product out of it.
Joe
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#935148 - 12/04/11 07:42 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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These might help writers write better songs. Study hard Build your craft up to the point where you can write exceptional songs
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#935504 - 12/06/11 04:37 PM
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Still lovin' "Eventually"! Still completely baffled why it's not being covered by a major artist though Dave Brooks sings like one already! Great, great, great song!!! 
http://www.songramp.com/mod/mps/viewtrack.php?trackid=12739
Best, Lynn
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#936396 - 12/13/11 06:41 AM
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Lynn Orloff
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still in love with songwriting
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#936737 - 12/15/11 11:34 AM
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Halie Loren Rocks!
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#937381 - 12/20/11 07:11 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Ande,
You've had over 42K different people read this, (a click is one unique visitor IP clicking on it) so I'd say since the numbers keep growing, folks are still using it!
Brian
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#941494 - 01/20/12 12:07 PM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Ande Rasmussen
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Ande, You've had over 42K different people read this, (a click is one unique visitor IP clicking on it) so I'd say since the numbers keep growing, folks are still using it! Brian
Wow that's crazy!
just looked at CDBaby, Halie Loren's latest isn't up there yet but they do offer
STAGES
After Dark
Full Circle
They Oughta Write a Song
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#954468 - 04/12/12 11:39 AM
Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips
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Halie's latest is Halie Loren: Heart First
In 2011 she rereleased Many Times, Many Ways by Halie Loren and Matt Treder (2011) I'm thrilled & honored that she included Blue Holiday that I cowrote with John Gillam.
Here's a youtube of her performing IN TIME that she used to help Japan's Earthquake victims.
Ande, You've had over 42K different people read this, (a click is one unique visitor IP clicking on it) so I'd say since the numbers keep growing, folks are still using it! Brian Wow that's crazy! just looked at CDBaby, Halie Loren's latest isn't up there yet but they do offer STAGES After Dark Full Circle They Oughta Write a Song
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