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#387697 - 01/27/04 01:30 AM
2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi 2003/2004 Lyric Award Folks,
(Please read this entire email and follow the directions carefully so we can make the 2003/2004 JPF Lyric Award process go smoothly. Thanks in advance!)
I am contacting you in regard to the 2003/2004 Just Plain Folks Lyric Awards which you entered on our jpfolks.com message boards in the last month. We laid out some guidelines on the site but we have to make a few adjustments to the judging process because we had less entries than we expected. Below you will find all the details on verifying your entry, making your votes and sending them to us in the proper format.
The Lyric category is unique in our awards process in that we let the participants help narrow down the field to nominations through peer voting. (We'd try that with the other awards stuff if we could post and handle the logistics for 10,000 albums and 140,000 songs.. but alas.. that's totally impossible). Once we get the lyrics down to nominees, then the judging is the same as the rest of the awards process. We use a mix of Industry professionals, media/journalists, educators, Mentors, fans, peers and JPF Staff. The award is announced at the same time as all the others, at our Awards show in Hollywood (tentatively scheduled for August of 2004). Like all the other entrants, all the Lyric folks are welcome to attend and that info will be sent later this spring when we announce updates (watch the newsletter, and awards section of the site for more info).
Here is how the nomination peer voting will work. Remember, you don't HAVE to participate in the peer voting. But everyone who DOES participate will receive 6 points towards their own score on their own lyric as thanks for taking the time and helping out. We also need everyone to send us their confirmation as described below whether you are voting or not.
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All the Posts have been numbered. There are 5 full pages of lyrics (49 on Page 1, 50 on Page 2, 3, 4, 5) and one partial page (Page 6 with 16 lyrics) for a total of 265.
To make the process easy for everyone, instead of having you read all 265 lyrics and vote for your 5 favorites, this year we are only requiring you to read 1 page worth. Here are the guidelines for the voting process:
What do I do first?
The first thing we need you to do is to reply to votes@jpfolks.com and let us know if you'll be participating in the voting process. Remember, it's not mandatory but it earns your lyric 6 points. Ideally everyone will vote, so it will all even out. Your reply should include the following info, name, YOUR lyric post #, and if you'll be voting, in this format, for example:
Brian Austin Whitney
Lyric #433
Yes, I will be voting.
or..
Brian Austin Whitney
Lyric #433
No, I won't be voting.
This will allow us to find alternative judges for those electing NOT to participate. It also serves to verify that you are the person who actually entered the lyric, and that we have your correct real name and you want to continue to participate in the process, (even if you aren't voting). It's very important we know ASAP if you are going to vote so we can recruit replacement judges to take the places of those not voting. Please help us make this process go smoothly. Reply ONLY.. REPEAT.. REPLY ONLY to votes@jpfolks.com NOT to jpnotes@aol.com.
Where do I vote?
Here are your voting page assignments:
All Lyric Posters on Page 1 will vote on Lyrics on Page 4
All Lyric Posters on Page 2 will vote on Lyrics on Page 5
All Lyric Posters on Page 3 will vote on Lyrics on Page 1
All Lyric Posters on Page 4 will vote on Lyrics on Page 2
All Lyric Posters on Page 5 will vote on Lyrics on Page 3
****EXCEPT: Posters #234-249 will vote on Page 6*****
All Lyric Posters on Page 6 will vote on Lyrics on Page 3
****This will account for odd number of extra entrants on page 6.
If you aren't clear on what page you are voting on, please email us immediately for clarification.
How do I choose?
Just like the final round of judging in the awards, we ask everyone to base their choices on 1 single criteria: Does it move you?
"Does it move you" defined: This can mean different things to different people. If you like emotional heart tugging stories, vote for those that pull your heart strings. If you are a stickler for form and rhyme scheme, that's okay as well. If you like humorous lyrics.. no problem. In other words, YOU define what moves you. Use your personal biases/preferencs/taste on what is a great lyric in your voting. You don't have to justify or explain. Just vote for what moves YOU the most.
What format do I use on my votes?
Once you have chosen your top 5 picks in order from Favorite to 5th Favorite, place them in this format: (this is a fictitious example if you were voting on fictitious page 8):
Your OWN Lyric Post Number and Lyric Title should go at the top. (So you get your 6 points)
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Voter: #433 Title: We're All In This Together
Name: Brian Austin Whitney
Email: jpfolkspro@aol.com
Lyric # Title:
01: 373 Don't Wait For Me
02: 355 Cable TV
03: 393 Never Can Say Goodbye To You
04: 366 Better Not Wait Too Long
05: 388 Sad Country Songs
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In this scenario, the lyric "Don't wait for me" would get a first place vote worth 5 points.
The lyric "Better Not Wait Too Long" would get a fourth place vote worth 2 points. Etc.
We would also add 6 points to Lyric #433 for participating in the judging process.
Where do I send my vote?
Once you have made your selections, please email them to votes@jpfolks.com. Be sure to copy yourself so you have a record of the vote.
When is the deadline to vote?
We have set the new voting deadline as February 20th at Midnight EST. That should be enough time to read the 50 posts (less for those doing page 6) and vote for your top 5. If you have a problem making that deadline, let me know. I'd prefer to have the votes back before that, but take the time you need to read all the entries on your page and give everyone a fair shot. You want the same from those reading YOUR page.
A Note About Inappropriate Voting:
We do these awards for free. We aren't selling anything. Our only goal is to bring positive attention and recognition to some great writing. The voting system is very simple on purpose. It's also open to attempts to manipulate people's votes. Please.. DON'T DO IT. If we learn of any attempts of block voting or vote trading or blatant nepotism, we'll remove those involved. And remember, even if you get away with it and win something, it will have no real meaning. We don't give cash prizes.. but for those who get nominated and whoever eventually wins, what better honor can you have the recognition in the most unbiased and honest music awards program in the world? 'Nuff said.
What happens after we vote?
I will tabulate the results for each page and select the top 8 Lyrics on each of the first 5 pages and the top 3 on the last page. That will give us 43 lyrics. I will then take the last 7 of the highest scoring lyrics remaining from all the combined pages that didn't make the top to round out the top 50. Those final 7 will be discretionary based on a variety of tiebreakers etc.. (usually that far down in the voting there are a LOT of ties). Once we have final 50 Lyrics, we will copy and past them into a new final nominations voting page for the final picks at nominees. (Probably 12-20 final nominated lyrics.) We will announce that voting process in March and announce the actual nominees at the same time we announce all the rest of the award nominees, probably in May or June of 2004.
I hope I have covered everything you need to know to vote. Thanks in advance for participating and good luck to everyone.
Thanks for proving "We're All In This Together"
Brian
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#387698 - 01/27/04 12:00 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
If you are confused as to what your # is, please check you lyric post and you'll see that a # has been added to it at the top. That info (i.e. what page you are posted on) will also tell you which page to vote on. If you are confused, simply post a note here and we will clarify.
So far at Noon today we've gotten 70 confirmations of the 265 participants that they will be voting, and we've even received over a dozen votes already. Please be sure to send your votes and confirmation in the EXACT format requested above, otherwise we'll have to email you back and ask for it again. Please save us both the hassle.
Thanks,
Brian
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@aol.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney "Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
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#387699 - 01/27/04 03:12 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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ellingsong
Casual Observer
Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 2
Loc: Tiburon, California, USA, Eart...
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Greetings Brian and all of you.
And thanks so much for JPfolks and all your hard work! Looking foward to reading my assigned lyrics page.
Just a plain thought.....
By the way, you may want to have a link to the Lyrics pages on this e-amil you sent out with all the guidleines for voting . It makes it easier to find where our page and lyrics are posted.
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#387700 - 01/27/04 05:51 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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richy gee
Casual Observer
Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 8
Loc: england
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I don't know if it's just me but there seems to be a VAST difference between the general quality of lyrics in the first couple of pages to the last ones!(Early entries probably already ready and polished whereas latter ones a bit rushed?) Something to bear in mind for next year: could they be randomised to make it more fair to all concerned? Originally posted by Brian Austin Whitney:
Hi 2003/2004 Lyric Award Folks,
(Please read this entire email and follow the directions carefully so we can make the 2003/2004 JPF Lyric Award process go smoothly. Thanks in advance!)
I am contacting you in regard to the 2003/2004 Just Plain Folks Lyric Awards which you entered on our jpfolks.com message boards in the last month. We laid out some guidelines on the site but we have to make a few adjustments to the judging process because we had less entries than we expected. Below you will find all the details on verifying your entry, making your votes and sending them to us in the proper format.
The Lyric category is unique in our awards process in that we let the participants help narrow down the field to nominations through peer voting. (We'd try that with the other awards stuff if we could post and handle the logistics for 10,000 albums and 140,000 songs.. but alas.. that's totally impossible). Once we get the lyrics down to nominees, then the judging is the same as the rest of the awards process. We use a mix of Industry professionals, media/journalists, educators, Mentors, fans, peers and JPF Staff. The award is announced at the same time as all the others, at our Awards show in Hollywood (tentatively scheduled for August of 2004). Like all the other entrants, all the Lyric folks are welcome to attend and that info will be sent later this spring when we announce updates (watch the newsletter, and awards section of the site for more info).
Here is how the nomination peer voting will work. Remember, you don't HAVE to participate in the peer voting. But everyone who DOES participate will receive 6 points towards their own score on their own lyric as thanks for taking the time and helping out. We also need everyone to send us their confirmation as described below whether you are voting or not.
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#387701 - 01/27/04 10:24 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Richy,
It's all a matter of opinion. There are some very strong lyrics late in the entries as well. No one deserving will get left out. An average of 9 lyrics per page will move to the next round. Even if the 50 best lyrics were all on page 1, we only award the top 6 places meaning those deserving lyrics would STILL get forwarded. But in my opinion, there are strong lyrics throughout the process.
Brian
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@aol.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney "Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
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#387702 - 01/28/04 12:59 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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I go along with that Brian.
I did the rate them as they came in, and had my ten top pointers tright from day one.
This list changed quite a few times as I read the new lyric, compared them with my score sheet and adjusted that accordinfly.
Reading the entries I see there are those with long histories in the back of the field as well as the opening lines.
It is quite common in lyric comps for entrants to leave it 'til the last minute to enter, just in case they spit something out they feel is better.
Graham
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#387703 - 01/28/04 02:51 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Jean Bullock
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 09/18/01
Posts: 10244
Loc: Anaheim, CA, USA
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I agree that the songs are not evenly divided.
However, if we are going to do mass voting, this is the best way to prevent block voting which is even more unfair.
In the last contest , as Brian pointed out, a lot of people didn't read all the entries ( I think I figured out how you knew, Brian.) And even of those who did, there will be those that skimmed or read too many in one day and perhaps were too tired to look at the lyrics as carefully as they could have. So those lyrics were probably judged less fairly than our current method.
There can be only one winner. So if the best song is at the top, ultimately it will win. It doesn't matter that the 8th best song on one page is better than the number one page on another. The best song is still at the top.
I guess it could matter in terms of runners up but probably not for the winning song and probaby not for second place either.
The one thing that could be really unfair is if every page doesn't get voted on equally. If that happens, I think it would be a good idea to seek out some other individuals to make up for the difference so that every page is voted on equally.
JeanB
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#387704 - 01/28/04 08:27 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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EasyHero
Serious Contributor
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 199
Loc: Arlington VA
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I think whatever method Brian uses is fine, but on a technical level, it does matter which songs are grouped together. Think of it like chess, or football. A pawn can beat a rook if it's in the right position. My sons wrestle, and a lot of wrestlers strategize based on who they wrestle first, not last.
Just a thought; I'm not lobbying for a change.
Michael
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#387705 - 01/28/04 09:47 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Emily Sanders
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 08/28/02
Posts: 4612
Loc: Santa Monica, CA
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I suppose that there are a few ways to look at this.
There might be less "competition" on a page where the entries are not as polished...or, there could be a lot mroe "competition" on pages where there are many lyrics that stand out!
Emily
[This message has been edited by Emily Sanders (edited 01-28-2004).]
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#387706 - 01/28/04 11:27 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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George
Serious Contributor
Registered: 12/20/03
Posts: 47
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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I'm done. 
I read every song on the page I was to vote on, every line of every song. I finished reading them all by last night. By then I had narrowed the playing field on my page down to ten. Today I read the ten and narrowed them down to 5. I left for a few hours, came back and voted the order of the five.
I won't talk about the criteria of my votes until after the voting by all is complete. It will be intresting though to compare not how we voted, but why we voted the way we did. The mechanics of our individual voting process. Knowing a little about what such a divervse group of people look for in a lyric can only help us in our own writting. I'd rather have my songs judged by my peers who have nothing to gain or lose from my writing. Just a honest "yes Ilike it" or "no I don't like it", by enough people can speak volumes as to whether or not I'm barking up the wrong tree if I want to produce a marketable song to the public.
And the wait continues..
<><
George
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#387707 - 01/28/04 12:03 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Last year people only got to vote on 5 lyrics on ALL the pages. It was far far far more likely that a great lyric on a particular page with other great lyrics would get left out completely. On top of that add the fact that only part of the judges (as a percent.. I know many people read all the entries) really spent time reading ALL the pages. (and we know for a fact that many didn't read some pages at all..). This forces that not to happen. This process means every lyric will get read by all the judges (unless they simply close their eyes and randomly pick.. when it comes down to it, there's nothing you can do to force a judge to be fair if they have no intent on doing so). Since all these lyrics at the top will be moving to another round, if there are weak ones that survive, then they won't make it through the next round. We had the same thing happen last year. Some of the lyrics that finished at or near the top in the peer nomination process didn't finish in the top half in the final voting. I imagine we'll see a similar phenomena this year.
Remember, in the end, we only announce the top 6 lyrics overall. In a worst case scenario, the 10th best lyric on a page might get left out in lieu of a weaker lyric somewhere else.. but the top 9 will move on (and if all the lyrics really WERE bunched up on a page, they'll probably get some or all of the discretionary votes meaning they could have 15 lyrics move on). NO ONE is getting left out and the margin for error, even if the best lyrics were on 1 page, is miniscule.
In general, I think it's very inappropriate to discuss (or worse slam or praise) entries before the voting is done. You can do that after the fact if you want, but please give everyone a fair shot. That's the entire point of this.
Brian
PS: As for it being unfair if some pages have more voters that others, so far we've gotten confirmations from about half of the entrants that they will be voting, and no single page has significantly more or less judges at this time. I never expected to have 50 judges per page. My hope is that we'd have more than 25 and we already have that in the process.
Brian
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@aol.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney "Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
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#387708 - 01/28/04 12:08 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Another way to look at it:
It's hard to suggest that if you didn't finish in the top 9 out of 50 on 1 page that your lyric deserves to be in the top 6 overall of 265 which came from all 6 pages in the finals.
Brian
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@aol.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney "Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
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#387709 - 01/28/04 12:20 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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RobertK
Serious Contributor
Registered: 06/15/01
Posts: 527
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Just to put in my oar... I was given one of the later pages to judge and easily found five lyrics that could stand strong on any of the other pages.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if one particular lyric on the page I was given turns out to be top winner.
So this whole "bunched up great lyrics on earlier pages" worry is more shadow than threat, in my NSH opinion. 
But on the whole issue of judging, I will say that it's common for most people to just go with an idea or phrase they like, rather than judging the merit of a lyric as a whole (e.g., in matters of metre, singability, structure, level of wordsmithing throughout, etc.)
Looking at last year's winner, IMNSHO, the author came up with an extremely clever idea, but the actual execution and 'word manifestation' of the idea was not deserving of the top prize.
Yet, apparently most voters just fell in love with the idea/hook, and that was enough to put it over the top.
So... if your lyric doesn't win, don't take it to heart. The public is a fickle beast, and not prone to seeing the forest after one particular tree has captured its fancy.
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#387710 - 01/28/04 01:43 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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George
Serious Contributor
Registered: 12/20/03
Posts: 47
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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This is true.
A dog wood tree is small in comparison to the tall pine and the mighty oak. But when the dog wood blooms the rest of the forest becaomes it's back drop. A really good song will be recognized whether it's in the forest or in the garden.
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#387711 - 01/28/04 07:10 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
I am heading to Florida in the morning for our event in Tampa and the Music Law Conference in Gainesville. The latest update on voting is as follows:
148 of 265 people have confirmed they will be voting. 45 of those folks have already voted. A couple of songs have received multiple votes, but in general, this is going to be a very close process on most pages.
Brian
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@aol.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney "Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
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#387712 - 01/28/04 11:29 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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Have a good trip Brian.
Looks like it is working well.
Graham
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#387713 - 01/28/04 11:42 PM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Theorhet
Casual Observer
Registered: 06/10/03
Posts: 2
Loc: San Antonio, TX USA
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Brian,
I want to participate in the voting, but I do not know my lyric # nor the page on which my lyric is posted.
Ken Harris
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#387714 - 01/29/04 12:15 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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TheCiscoKid
Serious Contributor
Registered: 11/23/02
Posts: 539
Loc: central Illinois
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Originally posted by Theorhet:
Brian,
I want to participate in the voting, but I do not know my lyric # nor the page on which my lyric is posted.
Ken Harris
Ken... page 4, # 177
-Gary
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#387715 - 01/29/04 05:52 AM
Re: 2003/2004 Lyric Voting Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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Pretty sure this list is correct, and should help any with Ken's hassle.
Got anything wrong tel me quick so I can edit it.
Graham
Page 1 Members to vote on page 4
1 sweetjoyce:
2 Whitesides:
3 Emily Sanders:
4 TampaStan:
5 Lost:
6 Couchgrouch:
7 Kgrimm:
8 RobertK:
9 summeoyo:
10 kaleo4: No E-mail
11 Shandy:
12 scottandrew: No Email
13 supertone:
14 carrgirl1115:
15 Steggy7:
16 songbird1:
17 AICWatton:
18 Slimphaat:
19 CurlyT:
20 Ray and Verell Thyer:
21 cosmicmoxa:
22 gsharpe:
23 casey:
24 sangu72:
25 Tedson:
26 Skarlet O'Hara:
27 JohnH:
28 Mike Dunbar:
29 Vivian George:
30 Quality:
31 Jdubes:
32 Dan Knutson:
33 mastrose:
34 fifthsun:
35 nadine:
36 Jim:
37 Hipelle:
38 RDL Music:
39 sharon19:
40 Diana Tyler:
41 nikismart: :
42 SaNaBlues:
43 sandyc:
44 Raiderman:
45 AmeliaRose:
46 Marty Helly:
47 Mosaic:
48 Harriet Aimes:
49 Stephenscott:
Page 2 Members to vote on Page 5
50 Strypes :
51 Pramod Ninan :
52 Tim Perry .
53 Marla .
54 bluesax .
55 John Parker:
56 Brenda .
57 Idamarie Naelitz .
58 Greg C. Brown .
59 Liszt Laughing .
60 clcomusic .
61 TheCiscoKid .
62 StrCountry1 .
63 girlintheband .
64 vanini:
65 AlFlemm:
66 Jim Moore.
67 jsilver:
68 veryvince .
69 volcanic .
70 Dana Celeste .
71 na20399 .
72 Gilead .
73 Connie .
74 Michael Thomas .
75 Mike Connelly .
76 Mike Borok .
77 Aderrick .
78 adw246 .
79 sideman66 .
80 richy gee .
81 Sk8boi .
82 RichM:
83 trent .
84 redwriter1 .
85 Andy K .
86 pjschindel .
87 Paul T Wentworth .
88 PhoenixSquared:
89 thinkhaus .
90 Divitrius:
91 kaneki5035 .
92 Mcfortunato .
93 Jana .
94 abraham is burning .
95 Cindy LaRosa .
96 charmzz .
97 Bruce Madole .
98 DorothyCooley .
99 Linda G .
Page 3 Members to vote on page 1
100 rseaberg .
101 greydog .
102 Songbob .
103 Corey .
104 Lurch .
105 vontanner .
106 Cal .
107 Bonnie Logan .
108 jwsongbird .
109 Graham .
110 mulletman .
111 Allen .
112 garocker7451 .
113 CowboySlim .
114 gtownstudio .
115 Ozone Pete .
116 bordercollie .
117 JamIsOn .
118 cruzmamma:
119 pafaustine .
120 tomhynes .
121 gail marten .
122 Cheryl .
123 John Campbell .
124 Martin Craig .
125 braveboy09 .
126 Herbie Gaines .
127 debrasong .
128 keng .
129 Lagusaya .
130 TH .
131 Zak Morgan .
132 Grumpy933 .
133 shelleymillermusic .
134 WrightOn! .
135 Anne Meredith-Will .
136 jacksondaly .
137 Kim Tapie .
138 Elizabeth .
139 ellingsong .
140 Mtezzybear .
141 carhar .
142 slbossert .
143 Kaw:
144 Matthew Fox .
145 Ryan Nicholson .
146 Calvin .
147 randygibson .
148 rjoy .
149 roxhythe .
Page 4 Members to vote on page 2
150 Cris Williams .
151 Just Plain Steve .
152 John Voorpostel .
153 Mo Kauffey .
154 Tioga Shawn .
155 David W. Matheson:
156 snabbu .
157 stratoman .
158 Raymond .
159 negrito7 .
160 Softkrome .
161 Rose .
162 RobOxford:
163 JohnRuman .
164 arjay .
165 Linc .
166 guildslinger:
167 Wyman Lloyd .
168 samsamba:
169 esmealain .
170 Dan windowman .
171 Bisoux .
172 mtnaire:
173 G.Lee:
174 mario .
175 TDBrown .
176 jdruss1 .
177 Theorhet .
178 Tricia Baker .
179 Charlotte Ryerson .
180 KZ .
181 rickigirl .
182 Bobbie Gallup .
183 Steved10 .
184 serendipity .
185 Michael Stephen 378 .
186 MelancholyBlue:
187 erikazbyrd .
188 geoff platt .
189 lhawk04:
190 TINK .
191 stylin .
192 potasoup .
193 RichardTT .
194 Perfectpitch .
195 jeff .
196 Sue Bennett .
197 thomasongs .
198 jmazzei:
199 el raymundo:
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200 Debra .
201 JesseTipton .
202 btoungz .
203 seeyoutoo .
204 Kaley Willow .
205 mindymusic .
206 Judy .
207 claysmanager .
208 Silver Kat .
209 Santa Ana .
210 Bryder:
211 Jeff O'Kelley .
212 jentobs .
213 graham.a:
214 mmuzik .
215 slbvolleygirl:
216 George:
217 J.M. Richardson:
218 Trudi .
219 mtuckner .
220 chiccy:
221 heyapril .
222 allenb .
223 Don Halcombe .
224 10cent .
225 LaraHeneveld .
226 Dave Morgan .
227 Chuck Baxter .
228 deaconray2003 .
229 melodyann .
230 Butch .
231 mail2lane .
232 anoel1 .
233 Country Girl .
These Page 5 Members (#234-#249)to vote on page 6
234 caddlewash:
235 hoss .
236 ladyvyvah .
237 lorquithai .
238 Colin Buckley:
239 unklpeet .
240 clancys .
241 catherineorland .
242 Richard Berman .
243 Snakebyte6 .
244 whawk .
245 Steven Petersen .
246 dfwilson .
247 agirlnamedjaen:
248 DAMALI .
249 paulmartinez .
Page 6 Members to vote on page 3
250 Keith Dunn .
251 Eric Larson .
252 C M Wallach:
253 TexasJeff .
254 DrewVics:
255 whitebayfreddie .
256 kevinwayne .
257 iddy biddy man .
258 ecsongs .
259 dwilliges .
260 Michael Riddle .
261 ed323:
262 EasyHero .
263 dahb .
264 barney .
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#387716 - 01/29/04 12:09 PM
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Tim Perry
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Registered: 03/01/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Grand Rapids, MI
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Yo Brian! Question....
Is there any way the winners from last year's competition can get a look at the judges' comments and notes? I came in 6th place last year. I know there were a number of pros judging the contest and for me anyway, seeing their comments would be a great insight toward better writing.
Ya know?!
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#387717 - 01/29/04 07:35 PM
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dahb
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Registered: 10/21/03
Posts: 56
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Whoa - thanks, Graham. I've lost the original email from Brian, but I'm gonna vote. Since I'm on page 6, it looks like I vote on p 3.
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#387718 - 02/01/04 10:56 AM
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Softkrome
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Registered: 11/09/01
Posts: 417
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Brian, Does it matter how many are voting on each page other than making sure that some of the lyics will garner more than one vote so that the five best can be established? The actual vote talley won't be compared to those of other pages will it?
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#387719 - 02/01/04 03:49 PM
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Registered: 04/20/01
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We are taking 8 from each page (3 from page 6). We have 7 discretionary picks and will use common sense when comparing those to each other from different pages.
Brian
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#387720 - 02/01/04 06:17 PM
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Idamarie Naelitz
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Registered: 01/05/01
Posts: 2125
Loc: Lorain, Ohio, USA
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Whee! I finally got my chosen eight picks narrowed down to five. It will be fun to see if my eight favorites make it to the nominations. There are not as many entries this year, however the quality of the lyrics entered is super. It is astounding that so many people have so many different clever ideas, lines,and hooks and they are able to set them all into a synchronized pattern capable of working a beat. I voted for the lyrics that sang to me. Good luck to all of you very talented writers. Idamarie
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#387721 - 02/02/04 05:11 PM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Latest Voting Update:
As of Monday, 5PM we have:
186 People Confirmed to Vote
78 People who have actually voted
A couple of lyrics have separated from the pack, but after the top 10 it's a dead heat among a LOT of lyrics for the remaining 40 slots.
Brian
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#387722 - 02/02/04 11:48 PM
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Emily Sanders
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Registered: 08/28/02
Posts: 4612
Loc: Santa Monica, CA
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Thanks for the update 
Emily
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#387723 - 02/03/04 12:43 AM
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RDLMusic
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Registered: 09/08/02
Posts: 9
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Thanks for the update Brian. Please tell me I'm not the only one chomping at the bit to find out which lyrics have moved ahead o' the pack? lol (biting nails)
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#387724 - 02/03/04 04:23 PM
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Marty Helly
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 06/07/01
Posts: 2008
Loc: Florence, MA, USA
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I voted today so now its at least 79 sent in.
Not chomping on the bit - gotta save my teeth - but I am anxious to know which ones are moving out front!
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#387725 - 02/04/04 02:38 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Registered: 04/20/01
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We're about a third of the way through the voting (roughly 92 people so far) and some lyrics are pulling away from the pack. over 70 people haven't responded about voting, but almost 200 have said they will be. That should give us a fair assessment of the lyrics. I am sure the final 7 pics will be tough with all the ties that will likely be at that level.
Brian
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#387726 - 02/05/04 08:34 AM
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Andy K
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Registered: 04/04/03
Posts: 660
Loc: Clearwater, FL, USA
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I'm glad you only gave us 50 each to judge. It took me about 4 hours to do that many. 265 would have taken at least 5 times as long, unless I resorted to skimming, which isn't appropriate.
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#387727 - 02/05/04 03:22 PM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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February 5th Voting Update:
As of 3PM, Thursday, Feb 5th, we've had 196 people say they are going to vote, and 107 who have actually voted.
Amazingly enough, out of 265 lyrics, only 26 have no points at this time (meaning they haven't gotten any votes OR voted themselves).
Brian
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#387728 - 02/06/04 08:23 AM
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CowboySlim
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Registered: 12/13/03
Posts: 690
Loc: Nashville, TN USA
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I posted a question here yesterday, and it is gone...I wanted to know WHERE the lyrics are? I cannot vote for anyone's lyrics if I cannot even read them...
Slim
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#387729 - 02/06/04 03:27 PM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Slim,
You posted your question on a different post. All the info is here. I am not sure why you're having so much trouble, but I promise you all the info and posts are here, you just need to take a moment and click the right ones. You posted your question and it was answered on a different post. If you have your settings to only show brand new posts, change it in preferences to show ALL posts and you shouldn't have this confusion or problem again.
Brian
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#387730 - 02/08/04 05:36 PM
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songbird1
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Registered: 12/01/03
Posts: 224
Loc: Lancaster, Pa, USA
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Hi Brian,
Just need to know if I voted correctly this time.
Thanks,
Linda
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#387731 - 02/09/04 02:19 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
Latest Update:
133 people have voted, meaning we've hit our minimum requirement of 50% of the participants voting. We still need/want everyone else to vote, but this simply means I don't have to go recruit replacement judges! 210 people said they would vote, another 55 simply don't seem to want to respond to anything (very odd) including the reminder I sent out yesterday.
I just looked at where the vote totals are and all the top 8 lyrics on each page have over 20 points (which is the equivelant to 4 first place votes). The highest scoring lyric so far has 49 points already. There's a huge log jam of lyrics within range of getting to the next round. Of course if the other 50% of the participants get their votes sent in, all that could change dramatically.. but so far, the cut off for the top 50 is up in the air.
Also, there's only 27 lyrics that have zero points (meaning no votes or points for voting). I think that's pretty cool that so many of the lyrics have found people who appreciate them.
Brian
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#387732 - 02/09/04 02:44 AM
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chiccy
Casual Observer
Registered: 01/05/04
Posts: 10
Loc: Australia
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Hi Brian
this is a first time for me; I think the voting system you folk came up with is as balanced as it possibly could be.
It allows for all of the songs to be reviewed by a group; taking the top votes from each page means those that didnt vote didnt affect the chances of lyrics on their assigned page. As for the later pages well I am on 5 and I thought some of the songs on it were great. So even if I dont make the cut it doesnt faze me; there are a lot of quality lyrics there.
The voting process took ages; narrowing down to 5 was tough so I hate to think how long the next round will take. lol
Which brings me to a question do we all get to vote again?
I would still like to vote regardless of the outcome of my own lyrics.
Anyway Good Luck all.
Cheers Chiccy
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#387733 - 02/09/04 08:20 AM
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Mary Lou Sudkamp
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 02/23/02
Posts: 2116
Loc: Alexandria, KY USA
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Brian, I really hate to bother you, but I also need to find out if my vote got through. I have been having lots of problems with messages getting through to aol addresses, and receiving from aol also. Your reminder did come through the other day, and I have received messages through my JPF post, but there's no way for me to tell which messages have gotten through that I've sent through my regular ISP email. I may have sent my vote in before this all started happening, but please check for me. Thanks so much!
There was also a response to an email that you had sent to me that did not go through (that one did come back as "undeliverable after 2 days"). I tried to resend it to you, but not sure it will go through or not. 
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#387734 - 02/09/04 11:14 AM
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Kim Tapie
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Registered: 12/25/00
Posts: 47
Loc: Wooster, Ohio
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Hi Brian,
Just an FYI that I just got the information about voting, I not received any prior to this email today 2/9/04. So something may have gone wrong with emails, or server troubles. Thanks for sending the information again,or I might have missed a chance to vote. Kim
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#387735 - 02/09/04 01:45 PM
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Kim Tapie
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Registered: 12/25/00
Posts: 47
Loc: Wooster, Ohio
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Brian,
Could you please email me to tell me if my votes got through. Apparently due to the recent invasion of the my doom virus AOL will not let our server deliver mail to AOL customers because AOL thinks we are full of viruses. Well we have the best virus software and it is quareentining everything but our email server which is run by bright. net must not be doing it's job. UGH! So I voted today and am not sure it got through to your voting site. Sorry to have this glitch, it could be why some emails have not been getting through to me lately. Thanks so much. Kim
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#387736 - 02/09/04 02:09 PM
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Marty Helly
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 06/07/01
Posts: 2008
Loc: Florence, MA, USA
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For folks questioning whether their vote got through:
Brian posted this in the other discussion thread here.
I will send a final reminder to all those who haven't voted right before the deadline. With a couple replies trickling in each day, trying to send confirmations to each is too much. This is why we asked everyone to CC themselves when they emailed their votes. If you got a copy, so did we.
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#387737 - 02/09/04 07:16 PM
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kevinwayne
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Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 2
Loc: scotia ny usa
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NO I WILL NOT BE VOTING.IWOULD LIKE TO, BUT FIND THE PROCESS CONFUSING.I WROTE MAKE BELIEVE BEER AND MY NAME IS KEVIN WAYNE{IN CASE YOU NEED THIS MESSAGE FOR VERIFICATION OF MY ENTRY} THANKS,KEVIN WAYNE
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#387738 - 02/09/04 09:06 PM
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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Your entry is on page six Kevin, so all you have to do is list in order of preferance, your top five choices for page three and e-mail that off to Brian, rememebering to put your name, song title and number at the head of the e-mail.
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#387739 - 02/10/04 04:31 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Kevin,
I am sorry you feel it is too complicated. So far, I've had 2 people tell me the process is too complicated out of 265. That's pretty good I think. I know sometimes online stuff involving message boards etc.. can be confusing, but if you really want to vote, folks here will help guide you through the process. Once you do it, you'll see it wasn't that hard and it might make it easier for you to post more in the future and participate on her more often... it's a good place to network and improve your writing.
Brian
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#387740 - 02/10/04 10:49 AM
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Kaley Willow
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 10240
Loc: PA
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excuse me for posting this here....Mary Lou?
would you reply to me....over on the general board.....bout the aol mailing problem...
I verified that some email.....from
various NON-aol addresses did not get through to me last week....an am curious..about what you have found out.
(or anyone else......that's had a problem)
would appreciate...it...
kk ....
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#387741 - 02/10/04 06:43 PM
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Herbie Gaines
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Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 2809
Loc: Chicago,IL, USA
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Kevin-
All I did was highlight and copy Brians example of how you should structure the vote, paste it in an email reply to the address he put, and then I just changed HIS made up picks to my real ones!! It was that easy.
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#387742 - 02/10/04 06:44 PM
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Dave Morgan
Casual Observer
Registered: 01/04/04
Posts: 6
Loc: Denver, Co., Adams
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I voted within a day or two of the original request and included a copy to myyself as suggested. I'm new to my current e-mail system so maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I can't find the copy. Would you recommend I vote again(assuming it will be thrown out as a duplicate vote if my original vote went through) or should I wait until the final notification to see if I'm included in those that didn't show up on your vote list? Sorry for the trouble.
Dave Morgan
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#387743 - 02/11/04 12:22 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Feb 11th Update:
We've gotten 223 Confirmations about voting. Still not sure what's up with the other 42 participants. 3 have said they won't be voting (which I appreciate that they took the time to let us know) and the rest said they will be voting. Of those, 150 have actually voted. As has been the case, there are a collection of lyrics ahead of the pack, and then the pack is pretty bunched up and well within striking range. Most of the pages have a similar number of votes with one exception, but I am hoping that will even out before it's done. There's also a mix of lyrics by active members and new members at the top, which is a good sign in my opinion. Diversity in all things..
Brian
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#387744 - 02/11/04 12:51 AM
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Emily Sanders
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 08/28/02
Posts: 4612
Loc: Santa Monica, CA
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Brian,
I am enjoying your updates; they are so much more interesting to me than the Grammys!
Emily
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#387745 - 02/11/04 10:15 AM
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Softkrome
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Registered: 11/09/01
Posts: 417
Loc: Lancaster, NY, U.S.A.
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Brian, Since all the lyric numbers and user names for all entries are known and have been put into one of the message board topics, I wonder whether it would be possible to list all the scores achieved by each entry once the contest is over? I think it would be an encouragement to those who entered and might prove to increase participation in later contests. Frank
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#387746 - 02/11/04 05:47 PM
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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I think that is a bit of an ask in a freebie comp Cobber.
And don't see it would serve any useful purpose.
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