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#387583 - 12/18/03 09:45 AM
2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
This is the official spot for the 2003 Lyric Awards Guidelines and Discussion. Below are the rules and format. Please do NOT post your lyrics directly here. Post them where it says "Post your 2003 Lyric Entry HERE" Any lyrics posted on this post will be deleted.
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2003/2004 Lyric Award Guidelines:
We are ready to launch the 2003/2004 Best Lyric Award process on the website. If you want to enter, it is free, but you must be a member and registered on the JPFolks.com message boards and follow the guidelines posted there. Here are the rules we have set up.
You and your fellow members will do the screening for the nominations, but we've improved the process after last year to make it easier for everyone. Last year we had 500+ entries, and it was tough for folks to read through all of them to vote on their 5 favorites. So this year, you'll only be asked to pick your 5 favorites out of 50 on 1 page (each page holds 50 lyrics, see last years entries to see what I am talking about). We will award 5 points for each first place vote down to 1 point for the 5th place vote. We'll then take the top songs from each page and then have an second round on the top 50 overall only so that the process is much easier and efficient and every song has an equal chance of being read and considered.
The entry/voting dates are as follows:
Dec 1st, 2003-January 15th, 2004: This is the window to post your lyric. Each member can post 1 lyric in their name. If it is co-written by multiple members, it will only count against 1 member. (the one posting it.) We will need full names given for each writer. We will request full contact info for each nominee once they are announced. You can enter any lyric you wish, except for repeating lyrics entered in 2002.
Jan 22nd-Feb 15th: We will have voting by actual members on their 5 favorite lyrics (in order) from an assigned page via email once the posting/entry deadline passes. Voting will be confidential. The end date may be adjusted if needed by us to complete the process. But we will give advanced notice if the date is changed. We will take the top 50 (or less if there are less than 500 entries this year, but not more than 50) lyrics and place them on a final nomination page for final voting.
March 2004: We will post the final lyrics on one page in March and have open nomination voting to reach the final nominees. We will post the info on this stage when we are done tabulating and verifying all the votes. We will announce the nominations on the same day we announce the rest of the 2003/2004 award nominees.
Awards: We will announce the Lyric of the Year winner live in the summer 2004 in Los Angeles at our 2003/2004 Music Awards.
Voting Requirement: Because we do the awards free, it's necessary to use our own community to help get the mass of lyrics to the nominations stage. Instead of charging you 30 dollars to enter like a lot of "contests", instead we are requiring your direct participation in the judging process. To make it much easier than last year, we have a new system to do this which shouldn't require more than an hour or two of your time instead of weeks like last year.
After the deadline has come for entering lyrics, we will email each participant a page to vote on. Each page holds 50 Lyrics. You will choose your 5 favorite in order from 1st to 5th and email your votes to the assigned email address. (Complete instructions will be sent to all participants). When you vote, you will automatically receive 6 points (A first place vote gets you 5 points, so this is 1 better) towards your own lyric. If you choose not to vote, then you can still participate, but you're 6 points in the hole to all those who do. Because this year you won't be able to vote on your own "page" there are no conflicts in voting for your own lyric in Round 1. We will not allow those who move on to round 2 to vote any further in the process.
We (Just Plain Folks) reserve the rights to make changes and adjustments as needed throughout the Lyric Award process without prior notice to the participants. This simply means if we need to adjust it to make it work easier/better, we'll do it. We'll post any notices of changes on this page, so check here for updates.
Remember, this is a free and voluntary recognition program. Let's all make it as fun as we can for everyone involved!
If we missed something, or you have questions, please email us here.
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[This message has been edited by Brian Austin Whitney (edited 12-30-2003).]
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#387584 - 12/18/03 09:50 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
I transfered the very LONG discussion on the awards over to the Music Awards Discussion board. I thought we had gotten too far off track and don't want to cause confusion or distraction to the business at hand, which is to get folks involved in the 2003/2004 Lyric Awards. We have until December 31st, 2003 to accept entries. If we have less than 200 entries, we will adjust the voting process accordingly.
Thanks,
Brian
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#387585 - 12/23/03 05:19 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hey All,
It's looking pretty light in entries this year. Don't forget that there's only a week to go to post your entry.
Brian
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#387586 - 12/26/03 08:02 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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TDBrown
Serious Contributor
Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 228
Loc: Bloomington, IN USA
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I have attempted to post a lyric in the contest at least 6 times, and am being told that I am not "Authorized" to post. At this rate, I'll Never get posted before the deadline. If my non-participation in forums is a factor, I take issue, because I know of several contestants who are as "Junior" as I am. BTW.... I tried to post regular lyrics for several days as well, and finally was able to today.
TD/Tim Browm
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#387588 - 12/27/03 04:12 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
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Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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As I said early in the piece, I wasn't sure I had writen one I wanted to enter at that stage, and today I find I have replaced the one I did put in there with a bend of it that bent so far it became a totally differant song.
That promped me to think there may be others who have edited, or even changed their lyric, so it may be an idea for any in that boat to mention so in here and then any who like me, have been keeping a running score from day one, know to go check the edited ones.
The changes could be the differance in where they go in our score sheets, as it is shaping up that we may well be asked to judge over the bulk given entries are down.
So far.
Graham
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#387589 - 12/27/03 07:47 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Greg C. Brown
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 12/28/00
Posts: 3087
Loc: Suffolk, Virginia, USA
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Brian,
I've read several really good lyrics that have been entered in this year's contest but whose writer's complete names (and sometimes NO name at all) aren't provided. Wasn't that one of the requirements for entry, the writer's full name? If some of these lyrics are nominated, will this oversight on their part adversely affect their chances of winning? I'd hate for that to happen. Maybe a reminder is in order so those folks can go back and edit their entries so they will be in "compliance."
Greg
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#387590 - 12/27/03 09:07 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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I was wondering about that too Greg.
I do believe the sign in thing will be enough for solo lyric writer effortds, but most decidely any joint word ventures should have all the credits in there.
Actually got me beat why folks wanting to eventually be know as a writer or artists use fake name anyway.
Graham
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#387591 - 12/28/03 05:21 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Reminder: Only a few days are left to post your lyric. Unless we have a large last minute burst of entries, I will adjust the voting procedures. I am surprised by the lack of interest from our lyricists. The group overall had over 40% of the membership enter something into the awards this year, but the lyrics are far less than 1% of the membership. Perhaps it's just not something our folks care enough about to bother with, or perhaps most of the entrants didn't want to participate in the judging and therefore didn't enter. (Although I didn't get a single complaint or even comment about the rules, so I doubt that's it).
I may even extend the entries if I decide we don't have enough to proceed. If this was a music genre category, we wouldn't have an award with only this number entered.
Brian
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#387592 - 12/28/03 07:57 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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With only 15 entries to og, tallied as I see a doule post by serendipity, from memory there, I will be surprised if we don'tmake the 200 , given the memory of last years final rush.
Given the rules have been stated as being adjustable if we go under the 200 entries Brian, I think it would be bettre to soldier on in recognition of those who ahve participated.
Even if it meant upping the list of nomminees put forwa5rd to give a more worthwhile to grab final judges sum come their vote time.
And if it does flop numbers wise, drop the event next year.
That way, those who did support it don't dip out this year at least.
Graham
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#387593 - 12/29/03 12:58 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Graham,
I won't drop it this year regardless of the final number, but if so few of the members are interested, we may not spend the time needed to facilitate it next year. Based on the growth the overall awards, we should have had app. 850 lyrics entered this year. It would be nice to at least hit 250 which would represent 1% of the group.
Brian
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#387594 - 12/29/03 05:17 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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Good one Brian. Fingers crossed on the numbers.
Have started dropping subtle (well as subtle as I get) hints about to that effect.
Graham
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#387595 - 12/29/03 10:10 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Richard G Blum
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 10690
Loc: Bronx, NY, United States
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Hi
last year over 200 lyrics were posted in the final three days; which makes me wonder if not being able to get out a newsletter has had any drastic effect upon the number of entries. Not passing blame, just repeating what i read awhile back.
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#387596 - 12/29/03 05:56 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Mike Borok
Casual Observer
Registered: 08/09/02
Posts: 28
Loc: Yorktown Heights, NY
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Part of the problem of low songwriter turnout may be technical:
- The link to the contest on the main JPF page hasn't worked for me, on any of four computers, for quite some time - weeks, I think.
- I remember at least two times when, for some reason, the Post Your Lyrics Here topic was not there, even though the other topics were.
- I've also found that, even coming in through the Boards menu, the lyric awards topic was blocked by two day-job computers I tried.
I still think it would have been nice to be able to request the voting results, to see where your song (or the songs you voted for) stood. Getting feedback could be an incentive to participate.
Mike
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#387597 - 12/29/03 07:00 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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TheCiscoKid
Serious Contributor
Registered: 11/23/02
Posts: 539
Loc: central Illinois
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POSTING PROBLEMS?? Potential help here
I've helped a few people post here, and the most common problem I've seen is that they are trying to post on the front page of this forum using the "New Topic" button.
Nope! Won't work.
You need to open up one of the actual pages of lyrics,(...post 2003 lyrics HERE) (something like that) and post using either the "reply" button at the top, or by using a "reply" icon at the top of any of the posts.
The topic is locked-out to "new topics", so's to keep everything in a continuous thread. Posting a "reply" is essential.
The other common problem is forgetting the password and screen name are case sensitive....upper and lower case letters need to be accurate.
Hope that helps somebody... Good luck to all!
-Gary
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#387598 - 12/30/03 12:43 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Kaley Willow
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 04/13/01
Posts: 10240
Loc: PA
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Brian,
If this has been discussed, please excuse....
I've read through some but not all of the
postings.
This link doesn't appear to be working...(at least not on my computer) off of the home page.
2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Entry
It gave me a http 4004 error, " the page cannot be found".
Do not know if this...has affected entries from folks....who might be occasional visitors. I normally access the boards directly...but...because my computer wasn't cooperating...I plugged JPF into the search engine....and came in the front door via the home page.
best wishes,
Kaley
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#387599 - 12/30/03 01:14 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
Oddly enough the link was broken. It did work at one time. I think the problem is that I moved the ongoing discussion we had which got off topic and when I did, it shifted the post numbers and caused the link to stop working. I fixed it and because of the error, I extended the entry period 2 weeks. I may or may not make a significant difference, but I thought it was the fair thing to do for everyone. It also gives more distance from the holidays for judging later.
Thanks to those who pointed out the broken link. Please test it for yourself to be sure it is working now.
Brian
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#387600 - 12/31/03 12:47 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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mindymusic
Casual Observer
Registered: 07/31/02
Posts: 4
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Why did all my apostrophes come out as squares? Can you fix that for me or tell me how I can fix it and repost.
Thanks
mindy
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#387601 - 12/31/03 04:50 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Richard G Blum
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 10690
Loc: Bronx, NY, United States
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Hi Mindy
yeah i just looked at your post that is really freaky, have you tried the edid icon *third icon on the top from left to right, the pad with a pencil thingie. If that don't work, sometimes when you paste from note or word pad strange things occur, the font used here is ariel i believe, so try reposting using that font. I'm just guessing here but it might work. ya never know.
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#387602 - 12/31/03 10:12 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Marty Helly
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 06/07/01
Posts: 2008
Loc: Florence, MA, USA
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Link works now from my machine. Hope folks take advantage of the extension.
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#387603 - 01/05/04 09:33 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Ozone Pete
Serious Contributor
Registered: 12/31/00
Posts: 774
Loc: Unionville, CT, USA
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.......Ahhhhh, yesssss....
Glad to see the numbers come up a skosh higher with the extension....
But where are you all? ...Those who would denote/confirm a seething socio-political (yeahyeah, same-y, same-y) "disconnect"/"purge-of-nearly-vomitous" cynicism that we really crave in our wond'rous, feel-good, sound-byte, bull-sh*t-driven quest for the "BIG NOTHING"??
Come out, come out; all will be forgiven when all is forsaken.... and all lies and transgressions will be uncounted and passed over when there is nothing left to protect, possess, or defend (as must always be the case of the savage, tribal intellect, even as it strains to tear itself from its' cannabalistic roots...... taboo taboo tabooooooooo).
Ummmm, "a-he" (weakly).... woooops... em....
thanks for the extension, Brian; just thought I'd throw in a bit of encouraging word-ism for the disenfranchised (but achingly-interested) stragglers on the sere and blood-spattered plain of the lyric-writer's bleak planet! 
Hoppy Hollow-daze to all me fellow wanderers and curiousity-seekers! Dig it; it's just 'bout all we gots! Scribe on, the space we occupy DOES affect the "next guy" whether we wish to acknowlege it or not...
I whole-heartedly appreciate every entry in this particular round of [something-we-might-call] "get naked and tell me whachoo think".
Thanks peoples and Big Love to you all!!
[Edit] Yes. Of course I shall regret this specific bit of spewage later, but I've got things to do tomorrow that actually direct where the waste materials from your all-too-connected-to-those-disgusting-animals goes...
It's a new "year", but the s**t still flows downhill, now don't it? 
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#387604 - 01/05/04 10:46 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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chiccy
Casual Observer
Registered: 01/05/04
Posts: 10
Loc: Australia
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Hi All,
I am new here so I have a couple of questions with regards to the lyric competition if someone could help me please.
I would like to know if the competition is open to anyone? I am Australian so I am not sure how viable it would be for me to participate.
I would also like to know what happens with the winning entry is it recorded and what are the copyright expectations on the lyrics and also to this site?
I also would like to know what happens if a piece is picked up and recorded elsewhere between the time of posting and the time of final judging?
I realise that professional pieces are not eligible but if I post a piece here does that mean I can't offer that piece elsewhere to be recorded as a demo? I can't seem to find this information anywhere on the guidelines so my apologies if I have missed it. I would also like to know if there is a forum where recorded pieces from this site are stored?
I hope someone can help me with these questions. Thanks heaps.
Cheers
Brenda Lee
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#387605 - 01/05/04 11:14 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Brenda,
Anything is eligible with only 1 exception: It can't have ALSO been entered into this same program last year. We make no distinction between "pro" or "amateur" as it's not relevant. Any member from anywhere can enter our Awards. In the general music awards, we had entries from over 60 countries.
Because the awards are free to enter, we don't give out record deals or recordings. This is for recognition and a trophy which we present at our annual music awards in Hollywood. You need not be present to win, we'll mail trophies to anyone not present.
All the guidelines are posted above and on the Lyric Award entry page. It's really as simple as we can make it.
Brian
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#387606 - 01/06/04 04:40 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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chiccy
Casual Observer
Registered: 01/05/04
Posts: 10
Loc: Australia
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Thanks Brian I was more concerned with tying a particular piece up somewhere exclusively as a couple of my lyric pieces are in the process of being worked into songs. So I will now post my latest one that I have written. Have a good day.
Cheers Brenda
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#387607 - 01/08/04 12:21 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Greg C. Brown
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 12/28/00
Posts: 3087
Loc: Suffolk, Virginia, USA
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Soooo, how's the reading and preliminary "voting" going everybody? I'm proud to say I have read every entry thus far and, like a lot of us, have flagged several for comeback reads.
My first time through I flagged about 40 lyrics that "moved" me. Of those, I've narrowed the count down to 20 that need to be re-read. I'm not ignoring the newer entries though. They are being read and my current numbers may change.
So, how about the rest of you?
Greg
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#387608 - 01/08/04 02:35 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Graham Henderson
Top 10 Poster
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 13618
Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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I'm up there with you Greg.
Have my running place list in order, but do know for one, I not only edited my original psot, but after listening to it and a couple of my other contenders, swapped to one I think has more going for it, so will be reading evreything again to check any edits or changes others may have done.
In a post it away comp, I always send my entry on cut out day, as it has happened quite often I have written better after I thought I had my list set.
In this one, I decided to post early simply because the numbers were coming in slow, and thought to give them a bump.
So. When the door closes and the numbers are up folks, don't forget to do the run through of all entries, just in case some have changed from when you ranked them.
Graham
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#387609 - 01/08/04 07:33 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
At this point it's unlikely we're going to have enough entries to use the new voting method. The point of that was to make it fair since there could have been 700-1000 entries if the interest in the Lyric Award grew at the same rate as the general music awards. Since it hasn't, I will likely have to devise an alternative voting plan to cover the nominations stage.
Brian
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#387610 - 01/09/04 01:00 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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RDLMusic
Casual Observer
Registered: 09/08/02
Posts: 9
Loc: Simi Valley, California, Unite...
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Hey guys,
I'm right there with ya Greg and Graham. I've been reading them as they've been posted. Got my picks all set and will do another "go through" after the deadline passes. There are some amazing lyrics entered. Really makes me want to hear the music that goes with them and who knows...maybe someday we will. ( : Good luck everybody!
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#387611 - 01/09/04 02:27 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Marty Helly
Top 100 Poster
Registered: 06/07/01
Posts: 2008
Loc: Florence, MA, USA
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Assuming we have between 250 - 300 as a final number, why not stick with the process? Have folks assigned one page (50 lyrics that do not include their own) to vote for their best five selections. Then take the top 10 scoring songs on each page, leaving 50 or 60 to be reviewed in the 2nd round. Second round voting decides the nominees for you to give to the final judges.
This should still keep the numbers manageable for those voting and prevent any songs from being ignored.
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#387612 - 01/09/04 03:12 PM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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Brian Austin Whitney
Bard of the Boards
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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The original idea was to take the top 10% of the lyrics and then vote it down to the 15-20 nominees. But when we only have enough lyrics entered to take 10% as the nominees in the first place, I am not sure we even need that extra process? Remember, if you entered a song into the regular music awards process, you have a 1/2 of 1% chance of getting a nomination (basically 1 song out of every 200). Giving nominations to 1 of 10 entrants in the lyric awards might be a bit to easy in comparison don't you guys thinks?
Brian
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#387613 - 01/10/04 06:57 AM
Re: 2003 Lyric Award Guidelines and Discussion
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RDLMusic
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Registered: 09/08/02
Posts: 9
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I've gotta agree with Brian here. I have about 15 picks I've been keeping track of that "moved me". But it would be doable to narrow those down to the top five that are higher quality lyrics and more deserving of a nomination in my eyes. One thing I'd like to say though is this; I realize it's a bit of a disappointment that the number of entries is so low this year, but even so, as a songwriter, to have a song chosen as standing out amoungst 250....or even a hundred, or heck....even a smaller number is a highly flattering and validating thing. Just my two cents. ( :
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#387614 - 01/10/04 04:37 PM
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Herbie Gaines
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I'm fine with whatever you decide, Brian.
If you do it Marty's way, just make the songs that get out of the first round called level 1 winners or something, then the actual songs that make the next cut are called the "nominees". Then it's not 1 of 10. Personally, I like having the responsibility of voting for my favorites on ONE page better than all of them, it's less pressure.
Whatever you decide
Herbie
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#387615 - 01/10/04 09:12 PM
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Marty Helly
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Either way is fine with me - I'll read all of the entries regardless.
I thought one of the reasons for the two step process was to make sure every lyric got read and got ample consideration without requiring everyone voting to read more than 50 to vote. Seems like a valid solution. Trying it out this year on a smaller sample may be a good way to test it as well.
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#387616 - 01/11/04 05:18 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Marty,
We could still vote that way.. but we wouldn't need a second round. Taking the top 5 from 5 or 6 pages means 25-30 lyrics. The nominations would be 15-20... not sure we need an entire second round to eliminate 5-10 lyrics. That's a lot of work for nothing. I might just take the top 3-4 lyrics from each page if we do it that way and go straight to nominations.
Brian
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#387617 - 01/11/04 09:27 AM
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Sammy
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I also feel picking the best five out of 50 is a better way to go. Those 50 get better and more serious reads and consideration this way. 250 lyrics to read is a bit daunting and many will just get skimmed over. But, then again, maybe that says something about the ones that are skimmed over.
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#387618 - 01/11/04 03:16 PM
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Graham Henderson
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I'm happy with whatever way we work what will be the way to go re forum member judging.
Will be at my happiest if it happens we vote on all the entries though.
It would not happen in the real world where Judges were alocoate X amount of the entries to judge, then the resulting list was put together for the finals judges to figure.
Mind yoiu Wouldn't happen a judege could entre either, but that is take care of by the can't vote your own thing pretty well.
Just requires that little bit more commitment to our forum to do the big one, and it seems there are quite a few of us already with a pretty good handle on who is out in fornt.
Graham
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#387619 - 01/11/04 06:16 PM
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Jean Bullock
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Loc: Anaheim, CA, USA
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
(Deleted a stupid idea because Graham has a point.)
But I am leaving in the Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
No matter how many pages people are assigned, there will be those who look at the writing carefully and those who will just skim and choose to qualify for the extra points. I don't feel the contenders are evenly distributed on the pages, but that's subjective anyway. I would be willing to read them all if that is what you want us to do.
JeanB
[This message has been edited by AKA JeanB (edited 01-12-2004).]
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#387620 - 01/11/04 06:37 PM
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Graham Henderson
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Do't see any point in moving away from the options we already have Jean.
Particularly in extended time period such as we are in now.
The more the merrier I say.
It is an excersise in geting folks involved after all, so why limit them in any capacity they choose to do so within the effective options already there?
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#387621 - 01/11/04 06:51 PM
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Dave Morgan
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Loc: Denver, Co., Adams
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Math is not a strong suit for me, but I was wondering if a compromise between voting on all the postings and just one page of 50 could be found by splitting the pages: i.e. each of the participants voting on 25. Or maybe it would be better going the other direction and having everyone do 75 or 100. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Just thought I'd put an idea out there since it seemed like a worthy discussion. I'll participate happily with any voting method that''s used.
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#387622 - 01/11/04 09:49 PM
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Emily Sanders
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Loc: Santa Monica, CA
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This in an intersting discussion...
Here's my idea for voting:
The advantage of only having the people who submitted lyrics for the lyric contest vote might be an incentive for more JPF members to enter lyrics in future contests.
Maybe other votes could be cast from the
Chapter Coordinators, Mentors, Board Moderators, and other industry folks, but I wouldn't mind making voting in a lyric contest a privilege for
JPF members who take the time to participate!!
I understand that this is a difficult thing to manage...and I wasn't aware that there seemed to "block" voting last year-I was less informed, I guess -
I remember reading a post from Brian about
him trying to keep an eye on people who joined Just Plain Folks around the time of the contest so they could vote for their friends.
I will be interested to see what happens with this...
Emily
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#387623 - 01/11/04 11:27 PM
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Marty Helly
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Posts: 2008
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Brian -
In thinking about this further and in light of the reams of previous discussion on this topic - I wouldn't favor just taking the top 3 posts from each page and going straight to calling them nominees. This would definitely make which page the lyric was posted have an impact on which lyrics were nominees. Comparing it to last year's results, it could have eliminated finalists in the first round.
My preference is either for a two step process which leaves 50-60 songs in for round two or just go back to having everyone pick their five favorites from all the entries in the first round. Reading all the entries is only half as much work as last year anyway!
Marty
[This message has been edited by Marty Helly (edited 01-11-2004).]
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#387624 - 01/12/04 12:33 AM
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Marty,
That was another idea I already had (just taking the top 50 regardless of page #). The problem is that I know that many judges last year DIDN'T read all the pages. (I know this factually.. with incontrovertible proof, but can't give it away because people would then get around the method I use to know this). But in reality, only a portion of those who voted read every single page in the nominations phase.
It's true we have only half (less than half actually) of the entries this year as last year. But it's still a lot to go through. I'll take a look at the final tally and make a decision. I may take the top 5 from each page and then use another method to round out another 10-15 lyrics and post them for final voting. Or I might use a process to go straight to nominations. I kind of like the idea of everyone feeling like they are in the running up until the nominations announcements just like the other categories.
Brian
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#387625 - 01/13/04 10:39 PM
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Richard G Blum
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Graham
you requested if any of us make major changes to post it here, so my entry that was "Salvation" is now " All We Can Hope For"
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#387626 - 01/14/04 07:57 PM
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Graham Henderson
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Way to go Sweet. Will check it out. Makes life easier for the already got the tally going folks if it goes to the full bit vote thing.
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#387627 - 01/15/04 08:40 AM
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Greg C. Brown
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So, is today D-Day? What have you decided, Brian?
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#387628 - 01/15/04 12:49 PM
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George
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Registered: 12/20/03
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Loc: Louisiana, USA
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I'm going to kick myself.
When I entered my song I figured (before reading the instructions) that I would get a jump start on voting. So I started going through ALL the songs a little at a time. I had gotten all the way to page 5 when I read the instructions of the voting process which was going to be divided up into 50 songs per page. Sooooo, like a dummy I threw my list away, figuring it was null and void. And now it looks like we may have to judge all of them anyway. George is a dummy.
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#387629 - 01/15/04 01:24 PM
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Brian Austin Whitney
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Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 16289
Loc: Indianapolis, IN USA
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Hi Folks,
I need some help from all of you to go through the posts and find any duplicates/multi posts that we need to delete. If you find any sort of weird problem, please let me know so I can clean it all up before we start numbering. I've been working 30+ hours at a time with a few hour nap and then another 30+ hours for a couple weeks trying to get the music awards stuff on track and my attention to detail on these boards isn't what it needs to be to catch errors and duplicates. So, please take a stroll through the posts and help find problems.
Thanks,
Brian
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#387630 - 01/15/04 02:35 PM
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TheCiscoKid
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Posts: 539
Loc: central Illinois
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Hi ya'll,
Since a few are leaving opinions on the judging, I'd personally say that keeping it to 50 songs would work best.(if it comes to that). I would guess a lot of people who entered either won't have the time, or won't *take* the time required to really give them all a fair read. Seems overwhelming to me, even though I've read them all as they've come in.
My two-cents!
Good luck one and all,
-gary
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#387631 - 01/15/04 09:29 PM
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TheCiscoKid
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Registered: 11/23/02
Posts: 539
Loc: central Illinois
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Brain.. no double posts by anyone that I can find, as of 8:30 Thurs night.
Wow.. that's a bunch of scrolling! (and writing... wrote down every name...LOL)
-gary
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#387632 - 01/16/04 01:18 AM
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Graham Henderson
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Loc: Esperance. West Australia
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Brian. I reprted the one double I had seen before, and just read the sixth page which I hadn't done and only thing there is a job for the poster, Wayne something, to edit it so it is more easily read. Has no format, and that may get it skipped.
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