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#939457 - 01/06/12 07:18 PM
When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Hi guys...I have been trying since middle of Sept. to find and talk with a co-collaborator but to no avail.
We did a song together, it turned out pretty good, he posted it on another site and then disappeared...now what do I do..take my lyrics and re-do it?? I really liked it...very frustrating and we had no bad words to one another...
has this happened to anyone else and what do you do? I do know NOW when I collaborate I get as much info as I can, phone numbers, addresses...to protect myself and in case, in the one in a million chance someone liked our song I could reach my co-writer..
I just pray he is ok...very frustrating...
Kimberly
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#939640 - 01/08/12 03:36 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Song---thanks, I looked him up under both and no luck...I should have gotten that info first and foremost, live and learn.. Thanks Colin---something to consider... Kevin--[quote]non-exclusive deals without the consent of the other copyright holders. Not a good practice, but allowable [/quote] That is something I have never heard of...then I would keep up with royalties for him is a song was picked up? How does that work...do you know? What does one do in the event a collaborator passes away? I know, morbid thought but something that has come into my mind...wouldn't the family get the royalties then and how can I protect myself, my family as well as their families in this case? Mike-- This particular song has not been sent to copyright office yet...we were doing rough cuts of it, before sending it to them...now what? I can always count on JPF to help me out...you guys are super cool..  Kim I know all of this may very well be a moot point BUT I am trying to learn what I am legally able to do, and also to protect myself..and do it right...in the event a song was picked up..though it is not likely...I know 
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#941496 - 01/20/12 03:18 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Make a good faith effort to reach your collaborator. I've lost track of several of mine over the years.
I'd probably just leave it alone and go write other songs.
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#942128 - 01/24/12 07:38 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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I like that idea...piano....very cute   Thanks guys. Kimberly
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#947540 - 02/26/12 12:39 AM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Thanks Roy, I think I will go ahead and pitch it, see if anything happens. I am MOSTLY worried about him though. He had some illnesses earlier but he is very young. I hope he is ok.
It concerns me most if he is ok or not...
Kim
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#947751 - 02/27/12 03:18 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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I went missing last year and my computer died too. I think what we should all be doing is ( c ) the song, exchange pro info and address/ phone # and both sign an " in the event of illness, death or inabity to contact for whatever reason" agreement.
Caroline I agree Caroline and that is the case now for me. Sometimes a person will act put off by that but I figure if one is not willing to offer that info, then they don't want to go "into business" with me as a co-writer. 
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#947753 - 02/27/12 03:20 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Hey Kimberly,
Is there anything riding on this ? Well, I had a maybe on it from a pitch, but I am thinking now, what if they say YES, and I can't reach this guy to sign papers, then what..
If there is, use your better judgement, lie and say you're the sole writer and fix him up later. He is already listed as the co-writer on the information provided...and on copyright If not, oh well, too bad..... just move on.
Is there a more practical solution ?
cheers, niteshift Thanks Nite. I suppose I will find out the hard way when or if they decide they want the song.
*Always open to collaborations on my lyrics.. with singers and musicians, but PLEASE contact me before putting work into one--in case someone else has it..thanks!!** BMI Member All Rights Reserved http://www.littleikepublishing.com Email for Song Business Only littleikeproductions@hotmail.com
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#953483 - 04/05/12 03:30 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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If you are not a co-author of the music and have no assignment of those copyrights from him or a license from him to use the music, then I don't see how you or anyone else can use his music without his consent and not infringe his copyrights as the sole author of the music, any more than he could use your lyrics. However, if you ARE also a co-author of the music, then you have the same right to exploit those copyrights as he does, but he would still be entitled to his rightful share of profits from exploiting those copyrights.
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#953714 - 04/06/12 09:39 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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Brand New Country Star Songwriters: Vernon Arnold, Jimmy Buffett
If I am not mistaken, Jimmy wrote "Brand New Country Star" with someone and he just couldn't remember who. So they released the song as written by JB and then waited around. When Vernon showed up one day at the the record company -- they just said they were expecting him and his royalties were in escrow. Once they found out the co-writer's name, he was added to the credits in subsequent editions. I can't find this story on the internet, but I swear I heard this come from JB himself during an interview (or something). Kevin, that's a true story, just about as you said it. Vernon, aka Austin Church, is a friend of mine. He hosted a TV show here called the Chili Shack that I wrote comedy bits for. He now lives in Florida.
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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#993783 - 01/29/13 07:43 PM
Re: When a Collaborator goes missing....what then?
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I went missing last year and my computer died too. I think what we should all be doing is ( c ) the song, exchange pro info and address/ phone # and both sign an " in the event of illness, death or inabity to contact for whatever reason" agreement.
Caroline I agree Caroline and that is the case now for me. Sometimes a person will act put off by that but I figure if one is not willing to offer that info, then they don't want to go "into business" with me as a co-writer. Bingo. I tell co-writers is not "mistrust" to sign agreements, I mean, we sign agreements all the time, real estate, carpet cleaning, credit card applications, putting little Johnny in a nursery school, sheesh, what's the problem? But, its not about mistrust, it's about getting everything on the up and up, and nothing does it better than having something in writing, and I always say, "mutually acceptable" agreement. Pat Hardy Lockwood
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