Who's Online Now
10 members (couchgrouch, Fdemetrio, VNORTH2, Gary E. Andrews, Perry Neal Crawford, Sunset Poet, Guy E. Trepanier, bennash, Bill Draper, David Gill), 4,251 guests, and 265 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
What's Going On
Does Billy Joel belong in top 10?
by Fdemetrio - 03/28/24 11:10 PM
It Is Done
by Sunset Poet - 03/28/24 07:44 PM
Music Industry Summit, Athens Ohio
by Gary E. Andrews - 03/28/24 06:14 PM
Can you save me from me
by VNORTH2 - 03/28/24 03:11 PM
As human as yo
by ckiphen - 03/28/24 09:55 AM
Fox News Reports Stunning Archeological Discovery.
by couchgrouch - 03/27/24 08:02 PM
Wasting My Time
by David Gill - 03/27/24 07:42 AM
Song available
by JAPOV - 03/26/24 03:38 PM
YELLIN AT CLOUDS
by David Gill - 03/26/24 03:20 PM
"Reliving" the great Lou Rawls!
by Brian Austin Whitney - 03/26/24 01:49 PM
::: The Best In My Life :::
by Bill Draper - 03/26/24 01:32 PM
The show must go on
by ckiphen - 03/26/24 09:06 AM
NYC Motel 1972
by rpirone - 03/26/24 12:43 AM
usic Industry Summitt
by Gary E. Andrews - 03/25/24 11:32 PM
The Rant Arena
by JAPOV - 03/25/24 07:39 PM
Song available
by Raymond Byabazaire - 03/25/24 11:55 AM
Song available
by Raymond Byabazaire - 03/25/24 11:55 AM
Lancaster Festival, Lancaster, Ohio
by Gary E. Andrews - 03/25/24 10:51 AM
Wasting my time
by Rob B. - 03/25/24 03:45 AM
Tom Waits.. What's he building
by Fdemetrio - 03/25/24 12:09 AM
Rick Beato, bad lyrics
by Fdemetrio - 03/24/24 11:23 PM
Inspirational Videos Post Them Here
by Sunset Poet - 03/24/24 11:27 AM
Used to take a Genius to Mix
by Fdemetrio - 03/23/24 11:00 AM
She’s missing but she ain’t missing him
by ckiphen - 03/23/24 08:44 AM
"Broken Places"
by Gary E. Andrews - 03/22/24 07:45 PM
All You Are Is A Lie
by Sunset Poet - 03/22/24 06:55 PM
Pour Choices
by Gavin Sinclair - 03/22/24 05:29 PM
Billy's 30 year overdue song.
by Fdemetrio - 03/22/24 01:30 PM
Make my dreams come true
by ckiphen - 03/22/24 10:51 AM
Top Posters
Calvin 19,857
Travis david 12,264
Kevin Emmrich 10,941
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 9,003
glynda 8,683
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 8,160
Colin Ward 7,911
Corey 7,357
Vicarn 6,916
Mark Kaufman 6,589
ben willis 6,114
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Fdemetrio 4,990
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,670
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
Roy Cooper 4,271
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,195
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,171
MFB III 4,143
Sunset Poet 4,126
nightengale 4,096
E Swartz 3,985
JAPOV 3,973
beechnut79 3,878
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,845
Dan Sullivan 3,710
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
Nigel Quin 2,891
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
MidniteBob 2,761
Nelson 2,616
Tom Tracy 2,558
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,246
Wendy D 2,235
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
maccharles 2,134
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,041
DukeWill 2,002
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,652
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
GocartMoz 1,559
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,481
Tom Franz 1,473
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,429
Kenneth Cade 1,429
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,409
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
Deej56 1,385
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,294
lane1777 1,280
Gerry 1,280
DakLander 1,265
IronKnee 1,262
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
Glen King 1,214
VNORTH2 1,212
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,174
Diane Ewing 1,162
ckiphen 1,120
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
9ne 1,035
David Gill 1,032
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
ant 798
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
bennash 763
teletwang 762
Andy K 750
Andy Kemp 749
tbryson 737
Jackie444 731
Irwin 720
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Pat Hardy 692
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Moosesong 668
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
R&M 614
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 590
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 513
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
Rob L 439
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Alek 386
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Ann_F 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
ddreuter 371
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Rob B. 364
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 293
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
Char 286
ktunes 285
Top Likes Received
JAPOV 86
VNORTH2 45
bennash 38
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret. Does anyone know what chord it is and what sounds good with it. I think G sounds ok with it but haven't found anything else that really sounds good with it.

Thanks! smile

Dottie

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
It is a C with an added 9th, which I think you knew (assuming the H means you are adding the 9th)

Your notes on the strings, in conventional tuning, are e c e g d e

The two e's are open, then CEG give you the C chord, but then you add the D which is the 9th above C(starting from the root note C, count up so that you get C1, D2, E3, F4, G5, A6, B7, C8, up to D9)





If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Top 30 Poster
Offline
Top 30 Poster
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Called a C+9 actually (probably what the H is supposed to be).

Try playing C+9, C, Fmaj7, G

Fmaj7 is F with the skinny 1st E string (bottom string the way you describe it) open and the rest of the F normal.


Colin

I try to critique as if you mean business.....

http://colinwardmusic.com/

http://rosewoodcreekband.com/


Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
Hey Dottie, what you saw was probably not an "h" but a "mu" symbol. Mu is a letter in the greek alphabet, uppercase it is an "M" but lower case it looks like an upside-down h. It began use as a symbol for the add nine by the band Steely Dan. They called the chord a Mu Major chord, and used it in many if not most of their songs. Since then it has gotten wide, but not deep, acceptance as a name for the major add nine chord.

Here's a site dedicated to it:
http://www.hakwright.co.uk/steelydan/mu-major.html

Hope that helps.

Mike


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Thanks Mike!! smile

Wow Colin, that f is very pretty too. To clarify the it's the 2nd sting in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret? And I'm counting the bottom string as the 1st string. Because that's the way I play f except I hold both the bottom string in the 1st fret. I can't play the other f.

So it's very much like C!

Last edited by Dottie; 12/07/11 07:51 PM.
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Hi John,

Thank you very much, I'm trying to get better and some new chords. smile

Dottie

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
It is all of the C chord, plus a note that mushes the sounds of the root and the third. Very peaceful and relaxing chord. To make it sound "serious" you can remove the e altogether, and just play c d g. That's known as a "Suspended 2nd." It's the "Wreck of the Edumnd Fitzgerald" chord. smile


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Here is a great site: http://www.chorderator.com/cgi-bin/designer.py

You can click on the strings/frets and it tells you potential names for the chord.


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh (and Kevin @50/90 2019)
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Thanks Kevin,

I bookmarked it. smile

Dottie

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
To add to Colin's exercise, this is another nice round that uses the C+9 as a root chord

C+9, Am7, Dm9 to G

Am7 is like an Am, but play the middle note open...or like a C without a finger on the A string.

The Dm9 is like a D7 (an upside down D) except flatten the F# to F on the high E string.

When you go to G, start by only pressing down on the b and e strings on the third fret (they're a G and D note) before coming down to a proper G...except leave your two finger of the G and D.

That way, when you go back to the C+9, you only have to lift your finger off the G on the high e string, and move your two fingers from the G position on the low E an A srings to their C position on the A and D strings.

Have fun smile



If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
Top 50 Poster
Online Content
Top 50 Poster
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
Trying to understand; You say,

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret.

If you don't play the 6th string, and play the 1st and 3rd strings open, could you write it like this?

X32O3O

X 3 2 O 3 O

X indicates 6th string not played.

3 indicates 5th string on 3rd fret,

2 4th string on 2nd fret,

O for 3rd string Open,

3 for 2nd string on 3rd fret,

and
O for 1st string open.

That sounds pretty good.


There will always be another song to be written. Someone will write it. Why not you? www.garyeandrews.com
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Top 30 Poster
Offline
Top 30 Poster
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by Dottie

Wow Colin, that f is very pretty too. To clarify the it's the 2nd sting in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret? And I'm counting the bottom string as the 1st string. Because that's the way I play f except I hold both the bottom string in the 1st fret. I can't play the other f.

So it's very much like C!


That's it!


Colin

I try to critique as if you mean business.....

http://colinwardmusic.com/

http://rosewoodcreekband.com/


Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
Top 50 Poster
Online Content
Top 50 Poster
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
You say;

To clarify the it's the 2nd string in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret?

Like this?

XX321O ?

X X 3 2 1 O

That's a F major 7th isn't it folks?


There will always be another song to be written. Someone will write it. Why not you? www.garyeandrews.com
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Top 30 Poster
Offline
Top 30 Poster
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Gary - you have it.


Colin

I try to critique as if you mean business.....

http://colinwardmusic.com/

http://rosewoodcreekband.com/


Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
I'm going to look at this two ways. When Dottie says, "from the bottom" my first inclination is to think she means the bottom as being the highest sounding string, so I'll start that way.

Originally Posted by Dottie
I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret E, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret C and D.


With the open e and g strings that gives you bass to treble: e d g e c e which is a c add 9.

Now let's look at it the way the guitar is traditionally viewed, with the "bottom" string being the lowest sounding string:

Originally Posted by Dottie


It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret A, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret D and C.

Dottie


Which would give you, bass to treble: e c d a c e which could be an incomplete C69 or maybe an em7sharp5.

My money is on the first chord. The Cadd9. Many guitarists will call the strings that are physically on the bottom the "bottom" strings, whereas many guitar teachers will call the lower sounding strings the "bottom" strings. But the big clue was the "h" because the "mu" symbol looks like an "h" and the add nine chord is what is often called the "mu" chord.


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
To add to Colin's exercise, this is another nice round that uses the C+9 as a root chord

C+9, Am7, Dm9 to G

Am7 is like an Am, but play the middle note open...or like a C without a finger on the A string.

The Dm9 is like a D7 (an upside down D) except flatten the F# to F on the high E string.

When you go to G, start by only pressing down on the b and e strings on the third fret (they're a G and D note) before coming down to a proper G...except leave your two finger of the G and D.

That way, when you go back to the C+9, you only have to lift your finger off the G on the high e string, and move your two fingers from the G position on the low E an A srings to their C position on the A and D strings.

Have fun smile



Thanks John, I'll try this today! I'm very tired of just playing the same chords all the time. I do have some books and a chart and I learn new chords from them but it doesn't tell me what sounds good with them so I just try everything I know with a new chord. smile

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Gary E. Andrews
You say;

To clarify the it's the 2nd string in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret?

Like this?

XX321O ?

X X 3 2 1 O

That's a F major 7th isn't it folks?


I'm calling the bottom string the actual bottom string so it may be like that but I don't understand that. smile

Edit: I understand it now!! smile

Dottie

Last edited by Dottie; 12/08/11 02:21 PM.
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh (and Kevin @50/90 2019)
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Gary E. Andrews
Trying to understand; You say,

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret.

If you don't play the 6th string, and play the 1st and 3rd strings open, could you write it like this?

X32O3O

X 3 2 O 3 O

X indicates 6th string not played.

3 indicates 5th string on 3rd fret,

2 4th string on 2nd fret,

O for 3rd string Open,

3 for 2nd string on 3rd fret,

and
O for 1st string open.

That sounds pretty good.


Yes it finally makes sense...Thank you!!

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
I'm going to look at this two ways. When Dottie says, "from the bottom" my first inclination is to think she means the bottom as being the highest sounding string, so I'll start that way. Yes I mean the bottom string on the guitar, the top string being the bass string.

Originally Posted by Dottie
I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret E, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret C and D.


With the open e and g strings that gives you bass to treble: e d g e c e which is a c add 9. See this is confusing because there are 2 E strings a bottom and top one. I don't understand why they're both called E strings. smile

Now let's look at it the way the guitar is traditionally viewed, with the "bottom" string being the lowest sounding string: So the bass E (top string) is actually called the bottom string and to clarify it would be called the 6th string?

Originally Posted by Dottie


It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret A, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret D and C.

Dottie


Which would give you, bass to treble: e c d a c e which could be an incomplete C69 or maybe an em7sharp5.

My money is on the first chord. The Cadd9. Many guitarists will call the strings that are physically on the bottom the "bottom" yes that's what I'm doing strings, whereas many guitar teachers will call the lower sounding strings the "bottom" strings. But the big clue was the "h" because the "mu" symbol looks like an "h" and the add nine chord is what is often called the "mu" chord.


Thanks Mike I'm learning slowly but surely. smile

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


Thanks Kevin this is great! smile

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


When this sites (top url) says these are the chords for the key of C, does that mean they sound good together? I think so because to me those chords sound good together! smile

Dottie

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
Dottie, there's a tradition of calling the lowest SOUNDING string the "bottom" string. That way if you play the guitar left handed without changing the strings, or play the guitar while lying down....it's still the bottom string. Glad you're learning so much about the guitar.

Mike


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Dottie
http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

... this ... url... says these are the chords for the key of C, does that mean they sound good together? I think so because to me those chords sound good together! smile


They are the normal major and minor chords in the key of C, so yes, they all sound good together. What the chart really is about is what chords "normally" follow a played chord and still sound good in the key of C. So if you played a C chord and then an F chord -- what could you play next? Well, you could play anything next (ha, ha) -- but as a beginner it might be good to try either a Dminor chord or a G chord (and then back to C).


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh (and Kevin @50/90 2019)
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
Top 30 Poster
Offline
Top 30 Poster
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 7,911
Likes: 1
I am enjoying seeing a lyricist turning into a musician!


Colin

I try to critique as if you mean business.....

http://colinwardmusic.com/

http://rosewoodcreekband.com/


Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
http://rikkyrooksby.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/htwsog-revised-edition-2009.jpg


Dottie, this is the best book I've ever found for a songwriter who uses their guitar to compose the music.

You should be able to find it


If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
You have all been soooo much help, thank you!! I'm having a blast. smile

I'll check out that book John. smile

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


I love this Chart Kevin, wow it's a huge help. smile

Dottie

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Read the entire tutorial -- it's pretty good! Scroll down to the middle on the page below and it shows you the same "simple" chart in roman numerals so you can use the same map in any key.

Simple map in roman numerals (half-way down)


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh (and Kevin @50/90 2019)
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
Top 50 Poster
Online Content
Top 50 Poster
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,668
Likes: 42
When you find a chord that sounds good, that you don't know the name of, you can write it by that number-of-fret method I showed you so you can remember it until you get a chance to track it down in a chart, or, if you learn about notes, to identify it by the notes within it.


The strings are numbered 1 through 6 from the 'bottom' up, as you hold the guitar, with the high-pitched treble string furthest away from your face, and the low-pitched bass string closest to your face (top).

But when naming the notes of the 'open' strings, for some reason, they name them from the top down,
E A D G B E
6 5 4 3 2 1

I always wondered why. My girlfriend says it's because we're men. I think she's just having a dig at me, but then again, she may be right.


A G Chord would be written in the number-of-fret method as;

32OOO3

A C Chord;

X32O1O

A D Chord;

XXO232





There will always be another song to be written. Someone will write it. Why not you? www.garyeandrews.com
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Read the entire tutorial -- it's pretty good! Scroll down to the middle on the page below and it shows you the same "simple" chart in roman numerals so you can use the same map in any key. I will, it's great info for me. smile

Simple map in roman numerals (half-way down)

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Hi Gary,

Want to hear something funny? Earlier I was so puzzle about why the 5th string was called a 3 just because it was in the 3rd fret, when I told my husband who does not play guitar AT ALL he understood it right away and explained it to me, so I'm sure a man did that!!! smile

Dottie

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,463
Top 20 Poster
Offline
Top 20 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,463
Dottie it just proves that men are far superior to women. LOL

A man invented the credit card and chip and pin but it is women who know how to use it....maybe the pin should have been a ten digit number half way down a chart.....LOL

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030

I use it in a lot of songs, and have no idea what to call it when writing it down.
I think that in some songs it works as some sort of voicing of a D and in some it's a G.
I'm confused.

EDIT: I think it's the chord that I'm playing in my avatar pic, actually. Weird.

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891
Likes: 6
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by PopTodd
While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030
This is used quite a bit in folk, I consider it a fancy D chord smile - I think it's Dadd4 but there's rouge C# in there too. It's a nice and easy chord (and satisfying) to play straight after a C, just keep the C shape and slide up a couple of frets - lovely grin

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
Originally Posted by Nigel Quin
Originally Posted by PopTodd
While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030
This is used quite a bit in folk, I consider it a fancy D chord smile - I think it's Dadd4 but there's rouge C# in there too. It's a nice and easy chord (and satisfying) to play straight after a C, just keep the C shape and slide up a couple of frets - lovely grin

Exactly.
I use it in this song:
http://hoponpop.bandcamp.com/track/im-pathetic
(During the part where the vocals go "oooohhhh..."

And the first time I ever used it was in my old punk band, in this song:
http://hoponpop.bandcamp.com/track/whiskey
It kinda takes the place of a "G" in this progression, though.

I've used it many, many times since. Yeah, I love it. It has such a pretty sound. I think it's the high "E" that gives it that ethereal sound.

So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
I'm not a real blonde but I am going to ask a blonde question now. Colin, or anyone (though Colin does seem to know all the answers) when I get to the end of that chord progression in the C chart do I have to quit? lol just kidding, I assume you just go back to the top and start over?

I told you it was a dumb question. smile

Dottie

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Dottie it just proves that men are far superior to women. LOL

Haha you're so funny smile

A man invented the credit card and chip and pin but it is women who know how to use it....maybe the pin should have been a ten digit number half way down a chart.....LOL


That might keep the blondes from using it!

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
[quote=PopTodd]While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030

That is a pretty chord.


Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1
D
Casual Observer
Offline
Casual Observer
D
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1
what is better for beginner a small size guitar or a large one?

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
I believe that x54030 is a Dmaj(G) chord (a D with an added G) with the following notes edf#gde


The "normal" Dmaj voicing is 000232 which is xadadf#


Note in the first instance that if you also press down on the E at 5 (554030) that is an A....one of the D chord's notes...but because it is one of its notes, it is not mentioned seperately. I only add this statement because if you go down the frets to play a C chord, if you also add the G note (332010), it is called a C(G)


So going back to the Dmaj(G), the only difference between it and a "normal D" is in the added G. Yes, the open strings in the one are A and in the other they're E...but that presents no problem in this case...I believe because they harmonize.

So I suppose it is more technically correct to say it is a alternate voicing of Dmaj with an added G

I would think though that Mike Dunbar is the final authority here smile




If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891
Likes: 6
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by PopTodd
So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

Yes, my bad that's what comes from not having a guitar to hand, it is an F# (not C#) but that is fine for a D. So I am going to revise the chord name to D add4 add9. The add4 is for the G and the Add 9 is for the top E. Where's Mike Dunbar when you need him? grin

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Originally Posted by daysyrowney
what is better for beginner a small size guitar or a large one?


Hi days,

I think your question was buried in this thread, you'd likely get an answer if you post it as a new topic but I beleive the answer is what ever feels right to you. smile

Dottie

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,890
Originally Posted by Nigel Quin
Originally Posted by PopTodd
So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

Yes, my bad that's what comes from not having a guitar to hand, it is an F# (not C#) but that is fine for a D. So I am going to revise the chord name to D add4 add9. The add4 is for the G and the Add 9 is for the top E. Where's Mike Dunbar when you need him? grin

So;
D add4 add9

Cool.
What would you call it if you were using it as a G? Would it have a different name?
Because the first song that I used it in, it was basically standing in as a voicing for a "G". At least that was what the bass was playing -- a G root.

I wish that I knew more about this theory stuff.
But this is cool.

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,534
Likes: 28
That's why I think it is called a Dmaj(G)...because of that G root, much like the C(G)I also cited. Maybe it is called a C with a G root and a D with a G root??



If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,941
Likes: 3
If you use the chorderator link for x54030 : http://www.chorderator.com/cgi-bin/designer.py ,

you get things like this: Dno5add2add4, Em9no5/D, Gmaj7add6no3/D

I call it a "D" chord (ha, ha).

Kevin


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh (and Kevin @50/90 2019)
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
The chorderator is almost right LOL. That's an old folky chord, Paul Simon, along with the rest of the folksong army, used the old x54030 It functions as a D chord with two drone strings. I would call a Dadd9add11. (As a general rule, folks use the numbers 2 and 4 when they are replacing a 3, which suspends the chord from being major or minor. When it's the 4, it is the garden variety suspended chord, when it is the 2 it is the Edmund Fitzgerald chord, the sus2. For chords already major or minor, they use 9, 11, and 13.) I wouldn't bother with the "no 5" because the chord would not be changed in effect if you added the 5: 554020 The chord is best arpeggiated (not played all notes played at once) or fingerpicked.


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,412
R
Top 30 Poster
Offline
Top 30 Poster
R
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,412
I bought a Mel Bay Chord book. Those Guitar Chords look so easy! But when I tried to S-t-r-e-c-h my fingers to make those chords I discovered I am a few lengths short! So I reverted to Three Chords and the Truth! Who needs more chords anyway!


Ray E. Strode
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
JPF Mentor
Offline
JPF Mentor
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
Ray, Harlan Howard kept a guitar in his office for cowriters. When the cowriters would come in to show him a song and start playing a bunch of chords, he'd hand them this guitar and say, "Play it on this." It only had three frets. smile


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
Dottie Offline OP
Top 100 Poster
OP Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,427
I'm up for learning any chord I can play with 3 fingers, lol my pinky doesn't work! smile

Dottie

Last edited by Dottie; 12/14/11 03:00 PM.
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
chriscastle, yasir252, cathennashira, Samwise, HappySousa
21,470 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums117
Topics125,717
Posts1,160,950
Members21,470
Most Online37,523
Jan 25th, 2020
Just Plain Quotes
"If one man can do it, any man can do it. It is true. But the real question is, if one man did it, are you willing to do what it takes to do it as well?" –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
warriorgirl (2024)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5