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Interesting.... I have not heard about this before and have not dealt with Tunecore. There are some strange comments posted in the first thread.
I use CD Baby and have had no problem. CD Baby releases funds to you automatically once the account exceeds an amount you set like $20. I have never put a cover song on CD Baby. CD Baby works even if you don't have a physical CD to sell.
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Interesting read and the comments were something else. The first guy implies that he wrote all the songs and copyrighted them. So he has to prove he has the proper licensing. I would hope he has ASCAP or BMI affiliation, SoundExhange for digital sales, and did whatever you have to do to get in that soundscan database. I guess we never found out what "licensing" was required by Tunecore. Another guy say he did a MJ "Billie Jean" -- I guess he didn't get proper licensing from HFA. So he is out of luck. But I guess he could get licensing and then show the licenses to Tunecore .. why wouldn't he do that. The 2nd article's Victim #1 says he is owed $28,000 from Tunecore, but they won't pay????? How can that be? It is all pretty weird, but I wouldn't go with Tunecore unless I heard more about all of this. Here's a tunecore blog that might cover a few of the complaints: http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/02/the-new-music-thieves-stealing-from-artists.htmlEdit: Another thread on Fraud at tunecore's site: http://tunecore.websitetoolbox.com/post/Fraud-notice-and-what-it-means-4597427Kevin
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I read this stuff about a year ago, but am not updated. I don't like to click links because I often get a computer freeze(old computer).
What I did read last year was that Tunecore tends to stop paying when an artist reaches a certain dollar amount or a certain amount of downloads. That's only what I remember from reading the complaints. I don't know the validity of them, or remember reading any response from Tunecore, or any outcome of legal actions.
We do know that CDBaby is reliable.
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I gotta say, I loved their copyright primer! Thanks for that link
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Thanks John. Your posts have cleared that up for me. Tunecore clearly are not the problem. Perhaps just less experienced than CD baby at dealing with it but that's only because I haven't heard of similar issues with them. I think TC's transparency is key to their legitimacy.
Thanks James
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Tunecore is 100% legitimate. I only read the first article, but it seems like that guy was selling something he wasn't supposed to be selling, so they froze his funds.
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Gang,
I read the first link. I can't comment on the veracity of the claims because more questions would need to be asked and accurately answered to know what the truth really is. I will say their "helpful" guide that you should record covers or use famous song titles to trick people into checking out or buying your work should have come ALSO with educational info on how and where to LICENSE your cover so that problems would not arise. They're negligent to their own user base if that info is not included and it is leading to these problems. Though legally I don't know where the faults may completely lie (certainly the artists recording those songs bear all or most of the responsibility) it seems odd to me that they aren't clearing these songs BEFORE putting them up for sale. I'd also like to know where this collected money ends up for illegal sales? It would be helpful to have that info before passing final judgement.
I will also say it would be helpful if 75% of those people posting weren't functionally illiterate. Spelling errors are one thing, but these folks can't express an intelligent thought so it is no surprise they could easily be duped into posting songs that bring in income they'll never be paid. But who keeps the money? That's the real issue. Did it go entirely to the publishers? Did Tunecore keep all or part of it? If so, what rights do they have to do that? I somehow doubt the truth will ever really be known, but would love to know the facts. Anyone have them?
Brian
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By the way, the obvious solution to all of this is to use CD Baby. I can vouch for them and have been able to since their inception. Read the accounting for Justice's CD for a look at how an above board company operates. I can't understand after all these years why anyone would consider using someone else. It's mind boggling.
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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... I can't understand after all these years why anyone would consider using someone else. It's mind boggling. If you sell any kind of volume, then tunecore appears to be way ahead. In the first year, it seems like if you sell one CD you are ahead with tunecore (cd-baby has a $49 setup fee, tunecore charges $49/year). Of course, tunecore charges a yearly fee to "stock" your CD, so if you don't sell any CD's you fall behind. I guess you have to sell ~12-15 CD's per year to stay even. Does CD-Baby have a "high-volume" sales break on the $4 per CD charge or does it stay at $4 no matter how many you sell. Kevin
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