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#903810 - 06/15/11 10:34 PM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: RogerS]  
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Hi Gang:

Kurt has mentioned an important factor... getting permission of a demo singer (even though it's your song) 'cause most demo's are done on a "cut rate" basis with the idea that the songs will be used for "pitching only." I'm pretty certain that most of the songs you've been hearing on Roy's site are "with permission" from everyone involved... including co-writers.

That's one of the reasons I enjoy doing most of my songs all by myself. I don't have to get permission from anyone to use them in any way I deem appropriate. (Of course I know they are "B" Siders at best, but hey, it's the best I can do... LOL!) The "ne' plus ultra" is... if I ever do get a big time hit... I don't have to share a dime with anyone except good old Uncle Sam. (Hey, somebody's gotta fund Obamacare... LOL!)

Thanks again, Roy. Fantastic gesture and a never ending job doing all those MP3 conversions, I suspect. We are grateful to you.

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#903824 - 06/15/11 11:56 PM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Kurt Fortmeyer]  
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Originally Posted by Kurt Fortmeyer
I'm wondering if folks are getting permission from the demo players and singers before submitting their songs to you.


I don't know about those who send me tracks Kurt, But I have always asked this question. And always have been told by both the studio and the singer's that I can play it anywhere on the Internet as long as I don't make money.

I always ask if the singer minds being named, and all so far have said, go for it. Mind you none of them have become household names, so it may do them good somewhere along the line.

After all what I am doing is a form of promotion, which why I have demos.

I give the option to just use 'demo singer' instead of naming the singer on the track.

I guess its up to the individual. But if anyone came and said take my name off the track, I would do it. simple.

Another point to consider I guess is that putting a song on soundclick, allows it to be heard and embedded all over the world, via the net, yet all demo studios allow that.

As my radio is for demos only, and its only purpose is to showcase unsigned songs, hopefully to publishers etc, then is that any different.

Anyway Kurt, my friend, when are you going to send me a track.

God Bless Roy and Helen

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#903827 - 06/16/11 12:11 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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#903829 - 06/16/11 12:19 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: RogerS]  
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Well I finally got to check this out. Very nicely done on the webpage. Do you have a web counter on the site? it would be neat to see how the hits trend over time. just a thought. Nice job,
Roger


Thanks Roger. been putting the hours in Lol

Its a good thing I just lost my job and am working in a new one part time haha.

I hate counters on site. so easy to fix them. I can see how many are listening and how many have listened, but I wont check that until a bit down the road. Lets just say its going up every day.

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#903830 - 06/16/11 12:25 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Thanks again for all your hard work, Roy. You ROCK! I mean, you COUNTRY! Nope! It just doesn't work that way. You ROCK! smile
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Thanks Ricki for the thumbs up. I love the songs you sent me and they will be playing 24/7 52 weeks a year.

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#903833 - 06/16/11 12:27 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Hi Gang:

Kurt has mentioned an important factor... getting permission of a demo singer (even though it's your song) 'cause most demo's are done on a "cut rate" basis with the idea that the songs will be used for "pitching only." I'm pretty certain that most of the songs you've been hearing on Roy's site are "with permission" from everyone involved... including co-writers.

That's one of the reasons I enjoy doing most of my songs all by myself. I don't have to get permission from anyone to use them in any way I deem appropriate. (Of course I know they are "B" Siders at best, but hey, it's the best I can do... LOL!) The "ne' plus ultra" is... if I ever do get a big time hit... I don't have to share a dime with anyone except good old Uncle Sam. (Hey, somebody's gotta fund Obamacare... LOL!)

Thanks again, Roy. Fantastic gesture and a never ending job doing all those MP3 conversions, I suspect. We are grateful to you.Dave


My pleasure Dave. The down side of course is that I may get so many songs that you will have to listen for a day to hear one of your own..lol

Wishful thinking that.

As I said, its an adventure.

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#903856 - 06/16/11 02:44 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Roy,

If you're not paying license fees, I don't suggest anyone send music in nor you play any including your own. The laws around Sound Exchange collect 5% of the fee for musicians who play on the recordings. You can't waive (or verify)someone elses rights. If you play all the music, wrote and performed it all, then perhaps you can do it. But adding other people's stuff is a problem. Also, you're suggesting playing demos... well, that's a problem as well if you use union players and paid demo rates rather than broadcast rates.

I am not raining on your parade. I've long wanted to have a JPF station, but sadly there are so many legal issues that it's really difficult. Unless you're using a broadcaster (like the old Live 365 channels) who pay the licenses for you, you're opening a big can of worms. Plus, one mistake and you could get hit with a huge bill and legal threats. Sucks I know.

Could you get away with it? Sure. You can get away with a lot of things that aren't really legal or legit, but getting caught sucks a lot.

Perhaps you can get a waiver from the entities or something of that nature, but technically if a single drummer on 1 song you played ever wanted to make like hell for you, he could. So please use caution.

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#903858 - 06/16/11 02:48 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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"I don't know about those who send me tracks Kurt, But I have always asked this question. And always have been told by both the studio and the singer's that I can play it anywhere on the Internet as long as I don't make money."

There are entire radio networks that don't make money.. they still have to be licensed. So do NPR (National Public Radio) and Non Profit stations. You're getting bad bad bad advice on this. You should spend a few bucks and get an actual attorney familiar with the licensing issues to give you guidelines (if they exist) where you could play music without a license on the net. Sorry to be a bummer.

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#903886 - 06/16/11 07:14 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hey Brian,

I wouldn't worry so much. As far as I'm aware, there is no legal requirement to licence internet radio because who would the licence fee be paid to ? Broadcast licence fees are determined by area coverage, and how much of the broadcast spectrum is being used, and are auctioned off by governments.

Last time I looked, I didn't see anyone claiming to own the internet. I really don't see how it could be defined as broadcast. Singlecast perhaps ?

As to playing demos on streaming radio, I really haven't made my mind up about that one. Demo's are meant to be heard, right ? If they're never heard, then what's the point of making them ?

It would be a very foolish session muso who sent out a cease and desist letter. No work for that fellow in the future, from prospective clients.

And as the "stations" are owned by krykey.com , I'd say they have all the bases covered.

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see a problem here, and would suggest Roy just keeps doing what he's doing. It might be time to worry when the listening audience passes the 100k mark, and uses up all their band width. smile

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#903891 - 06/16/11 09:25 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: niteshift]  
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I read the krykey.com terms of service and Brian is absolutely right. It specifies that the person setting up the station should own the copyright or secure the rights to the music. It suggested that "broadcasters" use Creative Commons music to avoid copyright infringement.


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#903892 - 06/16/11 09:32 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Kevin Edward Rose]  
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That's interesting, Kevin. The Nashvile station (http://forevercountryradio.info) would seem to be in the same twilight zone then, as they're playing songs (e.g. from JPFers) for which they have no copyright or don't have rights to the music. And I can hardly imagine songwriters going the "Creative Commons" route.

Or have I misunderstood something?

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Originally Posted by niteshift
It would be a very foolish session muso who sent out a cease and desist letter. No work for that fellow in the future, from prospective clients.


In some instances, the demo may have been performed by someone who is seeking or may already have a contract with a record label. By airing the demo, that artist or the label may consider their own product "devalued" by the performance of a song not on that label.

The purpose of the demo is often for the writer(s) to get the songs in front of publishers or performers and is not not intended for public performance, especially if it was recorded using union musicians who are paid a lower rate for demos as opposed to master recordings.


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Originally Posted by DonnaMarilyn
That's interesting, Kevin. The Nashvile station (http://forevercountryradio.info) would seem to be in the same twilight zone then, as they're playing songs (e.g. from JPFers) for which they have no copyright or don't have rights to the music. And I can hardly imagine songwriters going the "Creative Commons" route.

Or have I misunderstood something?

Donna


I'm not a lawyer. All I can suggest is to be sure of the terms of service and read all of the fine print. Always CYA (cover your a$$)!


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#903895 - 06/16/11 09:45 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Kevin Edward Rose]  
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I believe that Krykey work like the old live 365 stations, except brought up to date. Modenised.

I see that they have 1000s of tracks that any radio station can dip into and play on their own station.

Many are known top tracks by major artists.

They even have the top 10 charts as a playlist that I could grab if I wanted and play.

So I would say that they must be doing all the legal stuff on their side.

Sure maybe in the past, demos could only be posted out and never saw the light of day.

But using the internet to play demos in the hope of being Ďdiscoveredí is the norm these days.

For me itís the modern equivalent of busking in the street, hoping the right person will happen by.

If the studio I used, said that I could play anywhere on the net, that for me, thatís an agreement.

If I make nothing then someone makes a claim against me, they can have half of that, heck, they can have it all.

They can even have my council house if they want.

Anyway I will carry on Brian, as I donít see a problem.

AS niteshift said, get a 100k listeners and then worry if worry is needed.

But thanks Brian for your views on the subject. Some may agree while others may not. no one has to send tracks for airplay.
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I donít really want to spend too much time on worrying about this issue, when there is probably no clear answer.

God Bless Roy and Helen

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#903896 - 06/16/11 09:49 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Kevin Edward Rose]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Edward Rose
I read the krykey.com terms of service and Brian is absolutely right. It specifies that the person setting up the station should own the copyright or secure the rights to the music. It suggested that "broadcasters" use Creative Commons music to avoid copyright infringement.


I always thought that I owned the copyright to my songs Kevin.
As 'work for hire'.

And 'secure the rights to the music'. I think they mean that if I am going to play your track, for which you have your own copyright, then I need your permission.

Anyway, the debate will probably go on.

Me I am going to listen to some Internet radio.

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Hey Kevin,

Radio stations owning copyright ? I've never heard of that. They pay blanket PRO licence fees for sure. Where and to whom would an internet station pay any fees ? To Bulgaria or Lithuania ?

I think folks are getting confused between radio broadcast proper, and streaming songs from an internet server.

If a so called licence is required, can someone please post a copy of such a licence ? I doubt one exists.

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GOOD LUCK!

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Thanks Mackie. I hope it works, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Originally Posted by niteshift
... Radio stations owning copyright ? I've never heard of that. They pay blanket PRO licence fees for sure. Where and to whom would an internet station pay any fees ? To Bulgaria or Lithuania ?

I think folks are getting confused between radio broadcast proper, and streaming songs from an internet server.

If a so called licence is required, can someone please post a copy of such a licence ? I doubt one exists.

cheers, niteshift


I can't find anything on "licensing" internet radio stations either. I am glad Roy did this and I hope he continues -- it is a lot of fun!!!!

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#903901 - 06/16/11 10:03 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Kevin Edward Rose]  
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Originally Posted by niteshift


Radio stations owning copyright ? I've never heard of that. They pay blanket PRO licence fees for sure. Where and to whom would an internet station pay any fees ? To Bulgaria or Lithuania ?

I think folks are getting confused between radio broadcast proper, and streaming songs from an internet server.

If a so called licence is required, can someone please post a copy of such a licence ? I doubt one exists.

cheers, niteshift


Geoff, in this case I was referring to the "broadcaster" setting up one of these stations on krykey playing his or her own music. If you read carefully, you will see that I also said
Originally Posted by Kevin Edward Rose
... or secure the rights to the music. It suggested that "broadcasters" use Creative Commons music to avoid copyright infringement.
The phrase "rights to the music" was referring to the broadcaster making sure that he or she has the legal permission to play the music.

I've been up for about 24 hours and I apologize if I was not clear. Regardless, the advice to read the fine print and CYA still stands.


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Here's is an interesting article:

Originally Posted by http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2009/07/web_radio_royalties_resolved_1.html
Small Webcasters--those raking in less than $1.25 million a year in revenues and fewer than 8 to 10 million listener-hours a month of broadcasts, depending on the year--can choose between paying a percentage of their revenues (12 percent of the first $250,000, then 14 percent of everything on top of that) or their expenses (7 percent). These options run through 2014.


So Roy has to pay 12% of his revenues for internet licensing. Let's 12% of 0$ is .....

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Hey Kevin R,

I stand corrected. The terms do say that you must own the copyright to the material, or secure the rights.

I'd suggest that by a JPFer offering their work for Roys station, to be "aired" that they give implicit permission for him to do so, hence no copyright problems. He hasn't gone out there and taken stuff. It's actually been sent to him for inclusion on the playlist.

Would I be correct ?

cheers, niteshift

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Geoff, I really have no idea. I might be a little more coherent after I catch some sleep crazy

Here is an interesting related article.

http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/201...es-for-streaming-music-sound-recordings/

With that, I'm going to get some sleep!


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich

I am glad Roy did this and I hope he continues -- it is a lot of fun!!!!
cheers, niteshift


Thanks Kevin.

It is fun, and if I am told that it must all end, then it would end. But not for a while I hope.lol

Personally, I have named the singers on my tracks, and if one of them comes and says can you please not do that, then I would change it to 'Demo Singer'.

I did have 4 videos that I made of our own songs on the Internet a couple of years ago, staring a singer whom we knew.

She got a BIG deal with a major, BIG BIG.. and they asked her to ask me if I could kindly remove the videos, while they develop her career.

They said that once that was achieved, they had no problem with me putting them back on-line.

I did remove them, and the singer is now, up there. I wont name names.

I have no problem with doing the right thing.

At this time, I see no problem. Of course that could change some time.

But for now I will continue.

As both you and I said. It is fun...

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Morning, Everbody:

As previously stated, Kurt brought up some valid points and Brian has reinforced the concerns all of us have fretted about during our early conversations about "net radio."

I explicity gave Roy permission to use my copyrighted material. Roy's unselfish move at providing a platform for "indie" singers and songwriters to steal the spotlight for a moment or two on the "netwaves" is just about the nicest thing I've seen lately.

Like Donna, I have no desire to give up my rights to my creations by doing a "creative commons" exercise in futility.

My greatest concern is that all the effort required to do this may simply wear Roy down 'cause it requires a great deal of time to add songs from folks from JPF, Nashville Demo Singers, little guys and gals from across America, the UK and the World. The ability of the site to gain traction in a listening audience who'll return on a regular basis is an awesome challenge.

KryKey "Radio" is one of several "radio platform providers" and I applaud their effort to keep this new phenomenom free and functional. I like Roy's approach better. No big stars or performers... just a collection of unknown and unheard-of writers and singers... struggling to be heard through the payola and greed of today's music establishment.

I'm so inspired by Roy, I'm in the process of establishing my own "Radio Dave" to feature songs owned only by me and my friend and former partner, Mike Hackworth. It will also fall under the "KryKey" unbrella of "net stations." Our multi-genre songs will be available for other stations to use if they so desire... but our particular little station will "shamelessly promote" only our music.

Having said all this, I still wonder if the concept of hearing songs on your computer (not an iPod) is really viable. I hope so but, if not, at least all I have invested is time... and miniscule risk... in the event some ambulance chasing lawyer decides to muddy up the water for everyone... LOL!

The plot thickens, eh?

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Hey Dave,

All good points.

What I find troublesome, is that the royalty payment thing through Soundexchange only applies to US servers, so it's a moot point really.

Where are the servers located ? They're probably in Vanuatu or at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. LOL

You keep going Roy ! I'm sure no one is worried about a bunch of old geezers and their unheard of little songs. ( all sounding good, by the way )

cheers, niteshift

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Thanks Dave for your kind words. Appreciated.

Originally Posted by Dave Rice

Like Donna, I have no desire to give up my rights to my creations by doing a "creative commons" exercise in futility.


I wouldn't do that either Dave not even for airplay. lol

Originally Posted by Dave Rice

My greatest concern is that all the effort required to do this may simply wear Roy down 'cause it requires a great deal of time to add songs from folks from JPF


Actually Dave its not that bad. There was a learning cycle, but now I can get a track up and playing in about 2 minutes. The hardest part was getting the station design finished. lol

I thrive on being creative, and this is just that.

Originally Posted by Dave Rice

The ability of the site to gain traction in a listening audience who'll return on a regular basis is an awesome challenge.


Achieving that is not my priority Dave. I just put the station up and if it works, GREAT. If not, and no one stops me, then it will just stay online and who knows what the future holds.

Originally Posted by Dave Rice

I'm so inspired by Roy, I'm in the process of establishing my own "Radio Dave" to feature songs owned only by me and my friend and former partner, Mike Hackworth. our music.
Dave


Just you doing that Dave has made it worth while. If anything I do can help move someone else along the road, then that for me is enough.

Maybe others will follow, and we will end up with 1000s of very very small radio stations playing for individual songwriters. WOW..
What a phenomenon that would be. lol

On that site, the design of the station is all on one IMAGE which you upload. Which in effect becomes the background of your station.
You then drag and drop the various components onto the background.

AS far as I can tell, having looked at lots of the station there, not many bother working on it. Just a player, and that's it.

If you decide to make yours more professional looking then I will happily send you my background image, which you can change to suit yourself.

Would save you having to worry about image resolution, and which areas to put your bumf etc. Use mine as a template.

Same for anyone else who goes the route.

Also any other tips, just ask.

God bless Roy and Helen

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#903915 - 06/16/11 11:45 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: niteshift]  
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Originally Posted by niteshift

Where are the servers located ? They're probably in Vanuatu or at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. LOL


Probably where all my own songs will end up niteshift. lol

Originally Posted by niteshift

You keep going Roy ! I'm sure no one is worried about a bunch of old geezers and their unheard of little songs. ( all sounding good, by the way ) cheers,


Exactly niteshift.

I remember years ago, when the whole of the UK had 1 radio station, the BBC. Then pirate stations (on ships) appeared, just outside the 3 mile zone. They have gone now, I believe, but the UK now has a 1000 Legal radio stations.

If it wasn't for those so called 'pirate stations, we would still be stuck with just the BBC..lol

I'm not saying that I am a pirate, or this situation is in any way the same. Just a thought really.

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Thanks, Roy:

Radio Dave is now semi-operational with only ten songs. I plan to bring in my former partner, Mike Hackworth. A few years ago, we wrote nearly 70 songs together and he is a real talent.

Thanks too, for the "template" offer which I will gladly receive and modify if you have time to send it. I think you still have my e-mail address but, if not, PM me and I'll comply.

I have found the interface for modifying text and graphics at KryKey is a little daunting but I'll be spending time reading that darn PDF document to enhance my understanding.

As previously stated... you are owed a ton by all who desire to share the spotlight in this untested but interesting venue.

Warmest regards,

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Thanks, Roy:
Radio Dave is now semi-operational with only ten songs. I plan to bring in my former partner, Mike Hackworth. A few years ago, we wrote nearly 70 songs together and he is a real talent.


That will be so cool Dave.. let me have the link when you are ready.

By the way, as you have some tracks already on my station, you don't have to load them again.

Just do a search and add them to your PRS. (Personal radio Station).

Template has been sent. Any probs just ask

God Bless Roy and Helen

ps.

I may start another station as well just for mine and Helen's tracks.

Instead of asking a publisher to go to soundclick and press buttons all day, or wait for loads of mp3 emails, I can just say.. go here and listen...You may like something.

They can listen and carry on working.

I just did it. Just need to do the background design now and walla.

'Roy & Helen's Demo Showcase' got 25 tracks playing and more to follow.

sounds good to me. lol




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My apologies if this was covered earlier....

With regards to demo or "work for hire" releases I secure "master rights" by paying a fee per musician for that particular recording...(we paid $25 for each musician but it can vary).
My understanding is this gives us all rights to that song to do whatever we deem fit.


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Here in Oz, a session player is a session player, full stop.

If you play on my recording, you are paid and end of story. Having paid you, what I now do with the work I own is entirely up to me.

Hence inclusion on Roys playlist. smile

cheers, niteshift

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Here in Oz, a session player is a session player, full stop.

If you play on my recording, you are paid and end of story. Having paid you, what I now do with the work I own is entirely up to me.

Hence inclusion on Roys playlist. smile

cheers, niteshift


I believe the concept of demo versus master is a union thing. I have never heard of that in Florida.


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Hi everyone:

Happy Father's Day.

This has been a week of frustration and absolute amazement for me. I've gotten to be such a Techno-klutz in my old age and setting up Radio Dave on KryKey.com was difficult to say the least, partly because of my ever-lovin' security software but mostly because of me. Then, just in the nick of time, up rides Roy Cooper... yes, the one who started this thread... LOL! and he led me by the hand just about every step of the way. I'm absolutely certain that he wears a white hat and rides a horse named "Silver."

I had a general idea of what I wanted the "front page" of Radio Dave to look like and Roy (our resident genius) was able to take my ideas far beyond my wildest dreams. He even showed me how to create a hyper-link to put below my signature line whenever I post here at JPF and I'll be running that up the flagpole for you guys today. The "Radio Station" is up and running and it only features songs by me and my childhood friend, Mike Hackworth.

The idea is not to participate in social networking, I simply wanted to put up part of my catalog of songs in several genres and allow friends to park the station in the background and listen while they are on the net working or surfing.

You're all invited to listen. I've also been listening to Roy's personal Radio Station (mentioned earlier in this thread) and really enjoyed hearing lots of demo singers I immediately recognized (like Heather Cowles Morris) and I know that several of you are co-writers with Roy and Helen. What an amazing crowd of talented songwriters and artists we have here at JPF.

Thanks again, Roy... for all your good natured help. Fantastic work!

Dave

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Hey Roy,

Have updated the link to http://www.countrydemoradio.com/

Correct ?

I'm doing a bit of house painting today, and have it playing. What a pleasant surprise. Twang Town music is not my first genre, but the selections are all sounding good. smile

cheers, niteshift


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Roy,

I see that for a lot of songs, you have "demo singer" listed. In that case, you may just want to put the songwriter's name up there. In fact, in every case where it is a demo, I would just list the songwriter -- that is really the name you want to get out there.

Just a thought.

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I'm with Kevin here, Roy. smile Plus seeing an actual name is much more interesting for the viewer/listener.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
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What an amazing crowd of talented songwriters and artists we have here at JPF.


Thanks Dave and you are so right

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Hey Roy,

I'm doing a bit of house painting today, and have it playing. What a pleasant surprise. 'Twang Town music is not my first genre, but the selections are all sounding good. smile


Glad you enjoyed the selection niteshift. I only put them up. So many great songs, IMO.

I may quote you on the site, if that's ok with you.

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'Twang Town music is not my first genre, but the selections are all sounding good.
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I've been folding a massive pile of laundry and listening all afternoon. I've heard some fantastic songs today. Really enjoying it. Thanks for offering an alternative listening experience, Roy!

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Roy,
I see that for a lot of songs, you have "demo singer" listed. In that case, you may just want to put the songwriter's name up there. In fact, in every case where it is a demo, I would just list the songwriter -- that is really the name you want to get out there.Just a thought. Kevin


And a real good thought Kevin. But then everyone would know that out of the songs so far, 90% are mine and Helens lol.

Just Joking.


I will put the singers names back in. lol

God Bless Roy and Helen


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Originally Posted by DonnaMarilyn
I'm with Kevin here, Roy. smile Plus seeing an actual name is much more interesting for the viewer/listener.
Donna


Umm, that's two agree... I will put the name back...

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Originally Posted by ebaker68
I've been folding a massive pile of laundry and listening all afternoon. I've heard some fantastic songs today. Really enjoying it. Thanks for offering an alternative listening experience, Roy!


Thanks for the thumbs up. Got some of yours playing as well. good songs they are.

I may quote you as well, if that is ok friend.

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper

And a real good thought Kevin. But then everyone would know that out of the songs so far, 90% are mine and Helens lol.


Use aliases!!


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Feel free to quote me anytime you like, Roy. Ha ha.

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Ok friends. here's a question and as usual your views are appreciated.

Been going a couple of weeks now, and have over 120 tracks playing in rotation. Approx 4 hours.

New tracks are arriving every day. (night for me).

So when I have so many tracks that each song only gets played once a day or even once a week.

Do I?

1. Just do it that way.

2. Make play lists of 100 songs, and then run a 4 hour playlist for a fixed periods, over and over(a day or a week) then run another etc etc. Bit like sky I think.
Then go back to the start when the last has been played.

Also do I play featured tracks a few times in a session, and who decides if the song is up there, to be featured. I am not an expert lol.

As usual advice is welcome.

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Ok friends. here's a question and as usual your views are appreciated.

Been going a couple of weeks now, and have over 120 tracks playing in rotation. Approx 4 hours.

New tracks are arriving every day. (night for me).

So when I have so many tracks that each song only gets played once a day or even once a week.

Do I?

1. Just do it that way.

2. Make play lists of 100 songs, and then run a 4 hour playlist for a fixed periods, over and over(a day or a week) then run another etc etc. Bit like sky I think.
Then go back to the start when the last has been played.

Also do I play featured tracks a few times in a session, and who decides if the song is up there, to be featured. I am not an expert lol.

As usual advice is welcome.

God Bless Roy and Helen



Well - you are the boss!

If this is a business, you need to start with your marketing hat on. Who are your customers, what do your customers want, what are your goals, how will you achieve those goals?

I would guess the customer is not those of us who wrote the songs but those who are looking to use those songs. If an artist drops by to listen to the station and find a song, he is not likely to spend hours listening. Maybe a few minutes, maybe an hour? I would be inclined to think that featuring a couple of the best songs and making them pop up every hour would be more likely to achieve your goal.

If on the other hand, you just want to entertain all of us, just play 'em all because the featured songs would become annoying.

How do you determine which songs to feature? You are the boss! I would choose ones that are commercially viable and might actually attract an artist. Obviously, that is a matter of opinion but they need to sound current and something like what is popular.


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#905015 - 06/23/11 01:16 PM Re: My Internet Radio Station - Get some Airplay Folks [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Mornin' Roy:

You've asked a difficult question. Alot depends upon your objective(s) with your station. Do you want to attract a wide audience of people from everywhere in the musical universe?... or do you want to attract more JPF listeners only?

If you are looking for a wider audience, then the top 100 thing is probably the best way to go. You run the risk of alienating JPF friends who submitted songs hoping for airplay but did not "make the cut"... LOL!

The real problem is how to distribute links across the net and target potential listeners and music execs or A&R people to get these songs heard by people that really can propel a good song up the ladder to success.

No matter what you decide... best of luck to you, my friend.

Dave

#905155 - 06/24/11 01:10 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - No.1 [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Colin & Dave, thanks for the super advice and thoughts.

A lot to think about me thinks.

-------------------

Meantime, I want to say a big thanks you to all who have sent tracks.

I have started getting links from other sites now, and quite a few must be listening, cause out of a few thousand stations, 'Country Demo Radio', is now at number 7 position in the ranking.
Showing up on the front page of krykey where they list the top 48 stations. .

In the country section, which has 37 Stations playing, a lot of whom play charts and known artists, we are now at number 1.

Could be a flash in the pan, but lets wait and see.

Its nice for me, cause it's like a reward for the work that I have put into it, even if it's only temporary..lol

God Bless Roy and Helen.

Last edited by Roy Cooper; 06/24/11 01:11 AM.

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#905156 - 06/24/11 01:19 AM Re: My Internet Radio Station - No.1 [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper

I have started getting links from other sites now, and quite a few must be listening, cause out of a few thousand stations, 'Country Demo Radio', is now at number 7 position in the ranking.
Showing up on the front page of krykey where they list the top 48 stations. .

In the country section, which has 37 Stations playing, a lot of whom play charts and known artists, we are now at number 1.


Wow, that's impressive -- you must be doing something right (or the JPF folks are loyal!!). I try and check in a few times a day for short visits.

What to do next -- I would be inclined to agree with Colin's assessment, but if are doing that well "as is" -- I don't know! Any "filtered" approach is going to mean tons more time from your end to decide what to play and when (maybe??).

I think you just enjoy it for a few more weeks and see what happens. I'll try and send in another song or two. I am going to keep mine uptempo and fun.

Kevin


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