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#892357 - 04/14/11 11:34 AM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Well, in case Paul Worley does stop by, here is my pop teen / crossover song that Justin Beiber would do if he was trying to go country: Girl, Can I Be Your Lover? (ha, ha)

I would have posted the Thunderbird Motel Duet, but that could never be sung by anyone as young and pretty as the Lady A folks or Steel Magnolia or ....



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#892364 - 04/14/11 12:11 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Kevin ya big ghermer ! You're smart though mate, you may have saved yourself $75. smile

Ok, I'm taking my medication ( first beer of a six pack ) May I rejoin the conversation ? I'll be good, I promise.....

cheers, niteshift

#892366 - 04/14/11 12:23 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Well, boys and girls, I was finally able to decide on which song to submit, and I've just gone and done it. smile All things being equal, I hope to be able to report back within 4 weeks.

I might mention that the song is theatrical, and is more geared to film and tv. Hence, I submitted it to a professional who's on the lookout for placements in that area. Her bio and credits are impressive. I'm glad of the chance simply to have the song heard. If she has something positive to say about it, or a tip she can give me in terms of direction, that will be a bonus.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have no expectations one way or the other.
I've submitted, and now I'll forget about it until mid-June, by which time I'll either have had a response or not.

I chose to part with 50 euros ($72), which in the Netherlands is roughly equal to 12 packets of cigarettes. If I were a smoker, and had chosen the submission over the ciggies, I suppose I'd suffer, but as I'm not, I won't. wink

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#892367 - 04/14/11 12:27 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Donna,

I wish you the best and look forward to the feeback you get back.
Who knows...anything is possible if you try, right. And I know from your lyrics you are talented.

Petra


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#892368 - 04/14/11 12:27 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Good luck Donna -- your stuff is pretty impressive, so I hope you get a good contact out of it.

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#892371 - 04/14/11 12:35 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Well done Donna, and I'm sure your feedback will be balanced and instructive.

cheers, niteshift

#892372 - 04/14/11 12:36 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Kevin,

This is really gooood, it can be that crossover country...to me it can be for pop, really why don't you submit it?

Hey, now hooked up with soundclick and I have a tweeter account, I have just tweeted your song, trying to promote, whenever I can,
Hope it is okay...I think we should all do this once listening to someones song, well of course if we think it is good. It is all this tweeting, ytube, and forward songs on is how you get out there..I think more so than waiting for someone to go into sound click.

I am gonna do this for jpf songs, If I like them..best support I can give.

What about the rest of you guys, do you do this?

Kevin...I hope you get this recorded...sometines objective point of view from others is needed to make you realize you have somehting hear.

Good Work,,,,I am soooojealous.

Petra


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#892373 - 04/14/11 12:36 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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This for some reason gets a lot of attention, why?

As I understand (I may be wrong), Blazetrack basically is a critique service, with top notch music industry professionals, and the USP (unique selling point) is the video responses. So far so good, right?

I guess the only real thing in question is how much is the video response is worth, and that's up to each and everyone to decide.

Personally, I have a hard time finding this competitive with say an organization like SongU http://www.songu.com/ , who offers a killer critique service for their members for between 5-10$ each. And they too have top notch music industry professionals, songwriters who's had million dollar hits, grammy award winning producers and top shelf publishers in Nashville and other fine places. And they are willing to follow up ect. How Blazetrack can compete with that, I don't know! That's why I see their prices as way too steep. Some others seem to find it's worth it.

Why will I engange in that discussion? Because JPF is not a board for free commercials and uncritical celebration of any commercial company there is (if that was the premise for these forums, I would not be here), this is a public forum for songwriters! So, I think the "stay out of our business" rhetorics from Gregory is out of line and out of place, no matter how viable Blazetrack is or not!

As I see it, Blazetrack is not a competitor to Taxi either, as there are no real opportunities at Blazetrack. There's just endless rubberband rhetorics that can't be held accountable for anything - if we like it we do, if we don't we don't. At Taxi you will find real people and companies looking for music for particular artists who's recording and looking for material, and music supervisors who's looking for specific music to use in their projects, whether it's for a game, a movie, a tv show or some other application http://www.taxi.com/industry.php . That's WAY beyond a critique service! Taxi is about real market opportunities for real songwriters, musicians and producers, right now. They can be held accountable for what they offer!

Blazetrack is a critique service (that's the only claim they can be held accountable for), and to my knowledge the most expensive one, I've come across so far. So, to the songwriters out there on a budget, I will just say that there IMO are many other, just as good critique services out there, also with top notch music industry professionals, just not with video responses.

And I insist that this is a viable discussion in these foras, unless Brian Whitney says it isn't, because it's not my impression that this is a commercial forum for Blazetrack. That they must pay for themselves, where they can push their own product as much as they like.

I hate when public forums becomes places where free discussion is restricted, and the real things get distorted by particular commercial interests!


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#892375 - 04/14/11 12:40 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Kevin,

You can hire me to do your promting of this song, okay.

What do you say.

Though I would want 50% of the profits..heeeheee Hey I have alot of expenses; airflights, new luggage, American Express Card, Babysitter for cats, Clothes, shoes, Hairsylists, Hotels laugh, only 5 star, limousines...HeeeeHeeeeLoL

Petra grin


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#892379 - 04/14/11 12:53 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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So you think it is OK to Promote Song U because you like them? But it's not OK to Promote Blaze trak because you don't?
Or am I misunderstanding?

I got one of those professional critiques from Song-U.
It was anonymous. I was told my song was great and I should pitch it to every publisher in Nashville.
I did
The ones that heard it said it was cliche and dated.

That was the last time I paid for any service.

But I don't tell people to NOT use Song-u. I do think they have a pretty good program.
But it isn't free.

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#892380 - 04/14/11 12:57 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Originally Posted by Niteshift
Kevin ya big ghermer ! You're smart though mate, you may have saved yourself $75.
Dang you caught me! I guess I am a bad person (ha, ha).

Originally Posted by Petra
This is really gooood, it can be that crossover country...to me it can be for pop, really why don't you submit it?
That is nice of you to say -- and thanks for twitter thing. By the way, I think you would make a good promoter!

Originally Posted by Songcabinet
Blazetrack basically is a critique service, with top notch music industry professionals, and the USP (unique selling point) is the video responses. ... Personally, I have a hard time finding this competitive with say an organization like SongU ... , who offers a killer critique service for their members for between 5-10$ each.
Actually I don't see BlazeTrak as a song critique service, even though it may be. It seems like a "connection" service, where you are not promoting a single song -- but you are promoting yourself and how you can fit into the contact's future plans. At least that is the way I would approach it.

Kevin

EDIT: This has turned into a heck of a thread -- and I think BlazeTrak is holding up fairly well under the scrutiny. It is not for everyone -- but it may be for someone.

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#892382 - 04/14/11 01:01 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Kevin;

widget..you can cut and paste your song to twitter, or anywhere you want?
Unsure?

Also, your comment board is not in operation as wanted to put comment there.

Petra


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#892383 - 04/14/11 01:05 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Originally Posted by Petra
Kevin: Also, your comment board is not in operation as wanted to put comment there.


I've heard from others about that comment thing -- The only place I can find to turn on comments is in the EDIT PAGE section -- I checked the place to say allow comments. So we shall see if comments are allowed now!

Kevin


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#892384 - 04/14/11 01:06 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Kevin;

Years ago, I was told I would be good in promtions, Worked for Boris Brott, orchestra conductor in Hamilton, well-known world wide, but very temperamental. He has that Billy Joel swiiming pool, piano..Great...niec to see how the rich live. The fans loved me and wanted to speak to me over his wife who was in chare of the summer music festivals.

If I believe in somone, such as you, I support them 100%.

Now, this song for pop, could work. Do you have contacts to submit your songs to publishers, artists, labels, producers.
Just curious, hope I don't sound noisey.

If the right hands...who knows.


Petra
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#892385 - 04/14/11 01:06 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Actually,
For those that are seeking song material why don't they give an address and a time period they will accept material, say one month and then submissions are closed for that need. I can't see paying anyone to submit material period.


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#892389 - 04/14/11 01:19 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kolstad]  
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Actually, Magnus, while deciding on which song to submit earlier today, I browsed again through the site. It's not correct to say there are no 'real opportunities' on Blazetrak. There are in fact several professionals looking for specific types of music, songs, and production to work with and to place. They've also given the names of artists or productions for which they want material. This is exactly the kind of thing TAXI does. Except that TAXI - as I see it - is the 'middle-man', and you still need to pay a submission fee, whereas with BT you're dealing firsthand with the people looking.

Hence, it's inaccurate to claim it's only a critique site. Have you had a look at any of the videos made by people who actually did 'connect'?

Like Bill, I've also had critiques from so-called professionals on reputable sites like NSAI. I'm a professional 'words' person myself, and I can tell you that most of what they said was waffle and repetition, and probably took them all of 10 minutes to compose. I was a member of TAXI and NSAI for a couple of years (plus paid $150 extra for the TAXI dispatch service). I probably paid a good $200 just for dispatch submissions alone. At the end of the day I got zilch back in terms of response (not even a reason why something wasn't selected, because you don't get a critique back with 'dispatch' submissions). Altogether, I probably spent well in excess of $2000 for combined memberships and submissions. I stopped all that a year ago.

So I had no qualms about forking out a mere 50 euros today for the opportunity to have a particular type of song actually listened to and - presumably - to receive feedback on it. grin

And Kevin, yes, I think your idea of what BT is about is pretty close to accurate.

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#892390 - 04/14/11 01:19 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Well, I am Kevins Number One Fan, as first to place comment on board.

Also, you are on my fav. list...Kevin I will promote your best I can trhough social networking groups.

Petra

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#892392 - 04/14/11 01:24 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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Originally Posted by Petra
Well, I am Kevins Number One Fan, as first to place comment on board.
Also, you are on my fav. list...Kevin I will promote your best I can through social networking groups.
Petra


Ha, ha -- did I have any fans before? Well, I did have one that I never heard of. In one day, because of Blaze Trak I have doubled (yes, a 100% increase) my fan base. See, this stuff really works!

Kevin


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#892393 - 04/14/11 01:25 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Hey Donna,

Can I ask why you would submit for general consideration, rather than a specific project ? Just curious, and I won't bite your head off.

cheers, niteshift

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Hey Donna,

Can I ask why you would submit for general consideration, rather than a specific project ? Just curious, and I won't bite your head off.

cheers, niteshift


Thanks for the question, nite. smile

Two reasons I submitted to general rather than specific:

1. I liked the bio and credits of the woman who expressly stated she's looking for music placements for films and soundtracks. I'm mainly interested in knowing what her response is to the song in general. While I'm making a point of not 'hoping' - and wasting energy that way wink - for great feedback or an outright 'connection', I do 'hope' that if she responds, she'll offer advice on what direction I might take with the song or others that I've written in that genre.

2. The people looking for specific projects are interested in genres other than theatre/film/tv, or in finding musicians, singers, or producers to work with themselves or to provide for specific artists. One woman is looking for singers/dancers to audition for a musical.

At the moment, it's really just about getting my feet wet. smile I liked the woman's credentials, and wanted to test the BT waters. Remember, I'm a lyricist, and thus far I've only worked with online collaborators. Hence, I probably have less to offer than a 'proper' band or artist.

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#892398 - 04/14/11 01:42 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Thanks Donna, sounds to be a sensible approach. And I've heard your work, it's quite beautiful and has a specific place.

cheers, niteshift

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Thanks, nite. smile And what a kind thing to say.
I'm quite touched, in fact.

And thank you, Kevin and Petra as well. smile

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#892411 - 04/14/11 03:15 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Well that is it then I am going to submit my whole catalogue to Blazetrak...it will wipe me out at even $50 a kick but hey why worry I will be a billionaire by next week with all the extra revenue from my contact with Blazetrak and the top producers on their books will just love my music and chase after me to sing with them..I hope my pen does not run out of ink signing all those contracts....and I hope my throat holds out singing all those songs. BTW I would prefer recording in the UK but will go stateside if I can afford the fare...and the studio time....I will sing pop songs at a push but prefer real music.

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You're most welcome Donna.

People do listen to your music, and it moves them in different ways.

My petulance on this subject has been taken many ways.

I've been called amatuer, bitter and silly to date. I wonder how many more put downs will be thrown.

Also, at the same time, I myself have concievably been quite negative to the plan on offer here.

Sub is really pissed with me, because I'm not playing the game. I'm supposed to be perky and enthusiastic. Likewise, I'm pissed with him, because I know the work he does is way above the standard required, and am annoyed that someone of his calibre is contemplating such a thing.

Professionally, we're not supposed to spoil the veener, and say that this is a bad thing.

Well, I do.

This bit was edited by myself. If you saw it, that's fine. Penis weigh ins don't count for much.A

And don't even ask me about the JPF internet choir thing, and being ablr to tie that up with the Barry tour. Wouldn't that be a hoot ?

And I do it for free. Geez I'm stupid. ( according to some )

Contacts are great, but of no purpose if you don't have anything to offer.

You've got contacts ? Really. You don't need contacts. You just need to do exceptional work.

But I'm not allowed to say that.

And I'm about one step away from being absoltely crucified.

cheers, niteshift

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I won't crucify you - or anyone else - nite. wink

I simply do what I do in my own quiet way, and let people get on with doing - or thinking - what they do. smile

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Thank you Donna, your poise and grace is something which is sadly lacking from this industry.

cheers, niteshift

#892429 - 04/14/11 04:04 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Well that is it then I am going to submit my whole catalogue to Blazetrak...it will wipe me out at even $50 a kick but hey why worry I will be a billionaire by next week with all the extra revenue from my contact with Blazetrak and the top producers on their books will just love my music and chase after me to sing with them..I hope my pen does not run out of ink signing all those contracts....and I hope my throat holds out singing all those songs. BTW I would prefer recording in the UK but will go stateside if I can afford the fare...and the studio time....I will sing pop songs at a push but prefer real music.


Ah Jim, you're a funny lad.

How do I know insticly, that we would do great on a sound stage together. It would be chaos, but great chaos.

cheers, niteshift

#892439 - 04/14/11 04:33 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: niteshift]  
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Yeah Nite we would do good together...we like a drink we like a laugh are passionate about music and know when folk are getting ripped off. We offer a lot of stuff for free that unscrupulous folk would charge the earth for and we usually are too honest and outspoken for our own good.....we have both been around the block a few times BUT that is a good thing rather than a bad thing.....to go around the block that many times you need good instinct, skill, a bit of talent and skin as thick as an elephant's foreskin.
PS I have had second thoughts about blowing all my money with Blazetrak....after speeking to my wife and telling her what I was proposing ...I value my bollocks too much.

#892442 - 04/14/11 04:50 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey Jim,

Yeah, sure would be alot of fun.

I'm going to edit my above post. I feel like I'm in a penis weighoff competiton.

I don't need that, and neither does what's left of our industry.

cheers, niteshift

PS - elephant's foreskin. I must remember that one.

#892444 - 04/14/11 04:59 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Nite,

You're not being crucified. I'm the one facing the firing squad here. There's nothing wrong with going out of one's way to do something for someone else for FREE. Honestly, that would be preferable as long as the person on the receiving end of that FREE (whatever it is) has the goods to back it up.

But what about all the other talented people who has no one willing to go bat for them (even when they DO have the goods to back it up)? What about the people who live in timbuktu who have the goods and can't travel to an entertainment mecca? And even if they COULD travel, what if they don't even know where to start? Not everyone is good at doing research and making friends. Do they HAVE to use Blazetrak? No. Could they if they decided it was worth a shot? Sure. Does that mean they're being scammed? If Blazetrak took their money and ran, then yes. But Blazetrak is NOT taking their money and running. They're delivering as promised.

If you're willing to take thousands of submissions from people and air out your rolodex for ALL to tap into, for FREE, then by all means, go for it. Shoot, sign me up.

I'm just a guy who was curious about something I thought was worth a shot and gave it a try after looking into it. It worked for me, so why wouldn't I want to share it and see if there was anyone else out there who might think the same?

Am I a bad person for doing that?

And Jim, my music doesn't suck, even if you might think it does.

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#892453 - 04/14/11 05:52 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Tough Market Out There. Have to be connected somehow.

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STEALING ANGELS

song released March 28, Paper Hearts

3 young ladys

Caroline Cutbirth
Jennifer Wayne, granddaughter of John Wayne
Tayla Lynn, Loretta Lynn's granddaugher

Have yet to hear the song myself;

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#892454 - 04/14/11 05:58 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Kolstad]  
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Originally Posted by the songcabinet
This for some reason gets a lot of attention, why?

As I understand (I may be wrong), Blazetrack basically is a critique service, with top notch music industry professionals, and the USP (unique selling point) is the video responses. So far so good, right?



Wrong! smile


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#892455 - 04/14/11 06:00 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Greg I never said your music sucked I said I do not like it much...BIG DIFF. I said it was just as bad or just as good as most of the other stuff I hear in the charts. My main problem is it is simplistic and lacks any originality and copies much of what has been done before...but most pop music IMO falls into that category. I look upon it as a phase teenagers go through.....like eating junk food and refusing a healthy balanced diet. They like junk food cause the taste buds are not sophisticated enough to appreciate more refined fayre. Same with music.

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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Greg I never said your music sucked I said I do not like it much...BIG DIFF. I said it was just as bad or just as good as most of the other stuff I hear in the charts. My main problem is it is simplistic and lacks any originality and copies much of what has been done before...but most pop music IMO falls into that category. I look upon it as a phase teenagers go through.....like eating junk food and refusing a healthy balanced diet. They like junk food cause the taste buds are not sophisticated enough to appreciate more refined fayre. Same with music.


Fair enough.

#892458 - 04/14/11 06:22 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Originally Posted by Dan Sullivan
But I've got one question. When you offer a guarantee that a customer will get a video response within 30 days are you offering to return CREDITS or their money back??

That's something your new customers might want to be clear about before they part with their hard-earned cash.


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Blazetrak does not refund money used to purchase credit packages. However, credits may be returned back to a Blazetrak user account if one of the following occurs:

1.) A submission has been made to a professional or contest, where a video response is indicated as the Response Type, and the video response has not been received within 30 days.
2.) A submission has been made to a contest, and has not been viewed within 30 days.
3.) It is determined there is a technical issue with the video response.
4.) It is determined the video response was completed by someone other than the Professional submitted to.
5.) A submission is declined for any reason.


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#892459 - 04/14/11 06:24 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Thanks, Kevin, for clearing that up.


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No problem


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#892473 - 04/14/11 07:00 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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I don't know maybe you have to live in the USA to grasp this thing.
Let me explain for the last time WHAT it is and HOW it is... from my end possibly our end.

I just finished up a song,in 2010 A song that took me four years to complete. I never settled when working on it, (Until I settled) that's how it got finished lol I paid three singers just to try to find the best one, that cost me hundreds of dollars alone.
Before I tracked it ALL the strings on the instruments going on it were changed, that cost me about $40.. One of them got a set up as well... another $75 bucks.

I saw the add for Blazetrak and went to check it out. Thought of every possible way, every angle it could be BS or hurt me.
Kinda to good to be true in a way, that is the scariest of all things smile But Nothing gave me the impression that it wasn't worth a try.

Okay NOW pay attention. smile

1- I looked at EVERY bio for every person taking a SUBMISSION.
Okay Note: the word Submission. NOT CRITIQUE. That word did not exist.

2- After noting that most of the pro's who were accepting material were in the world of Hip Hop, R&B Rap lastly Pop and Country. That limits me some.... BUT my new song is VERY soulful as is much of my music in general. So I took my song and made an alternate version. MORE WORK... I don't program drums I play them. so it was fairly easy for me to use modern R&B drums sounds on keyboard and play them live with my fingers. And to the metronome as well. So it is in perfect time.

3- Now that the beat was MUCH more contemporary it fit SO many more submission possibilities. Not only that but as a producer myself I noticed A) it gave the song a GREAT new feel. B) it fit the soft soulful female singer I used so much better. The live drums were conflicting with here style and sound. Okay after even MORE work.. I was set on my end.

4- I looked through the SUBMISSIONS requests again. This time I selected and narrowed it down to THREE people. All of whom my song could fit with. Then I called my long time fiend, former band manager, and a co-producer to come and check it out. Double check me.... See what & which he thought. He used to shop my band, then later my material to the majors in NYC.

5. OKAY next, we agree that there's one guy who's around our age
he works business wise with Neo who had a recent huge hit. Actually with the same title of a song that I wrote three years prior. But that's no big deal, what's better is his chorus hook the way he sings the words is the EXACTLY the same way I did. smile Two completely different songs!! But I KNEW I had a nice hook, so did a friend/acquaintance of mine who almost got the song on to J Records in 05. But he died before anything came of it.
You see how these things start to "connect"?

6. Okay anybody still with me? Now the guy TAKING the submission was older so he may relate even better to this song and me.. There is some serious old school stuff happening in my song including cool Marvin Gaye type guitar lines and very cool string arrangements... Bass lines that "Stand on there own" etc.. Plus the guy worked with Amy Grant etc... I did re-mix session work for her as well in the 90's.

The "submission" reads
"Looking for songs for Celica W. I try not to use full names too much folks people look themselves up ya know smile She is a 15 year old signed artist.
She recently had a song in the hit movie "Twighlight"
Here is a link to her performing it, and other footage of her so you can get an idea of what she's about.

PERFECT I can check that out. So we did... and my friend said the song is perfect for her and her voice and style.

I agreed... then re-read the terms & policy stuff. And joined up free, filled out my bio. The greatest BIO no, no way. Especially NOT in recent years.. But I did have Bruce Springsteen's former manager and the Producer of "Born To Run" in my house the night before. So I must be doing something right. lol

Had the 30 day guarantee on my $75 bucks the CHEAPEST cost so far on this song lol and least work too...

Already had in my mind the one thing they may say in rejecting it.. I KNOW they'll like it. It's good man, and it's CATCHY up and down all day long. Only it's content may be a tad off for the age and audience of this younger artist. Being someone who does and is capable of feedback for others for FREE! I recognize the troubles in my own work too. And I have NON MUSICIANS check me... as well.

But here's the key,,, ALL that work before hand. The song sounds GREAT.. Whether or not it's used for this kid or NOT this guy is gonna sense something from it and from me. WHY? Because I killed myself to get it that way, and if other people established in this industry have told me I was deserving of consideration
before than why not again? Like the VP of Epic & EMI for example.

He may think of me or the song for SOMETHING ELSE!! Maybe Amy Grant etc.. Whatever! I'm counting on my hard work and God given abilities/knack for creating catchy honest music with appeal & depth behind it to reach him. My "musicalness to reach there "musicalness" And I want and love the challenge as well.

The video is proof!!! It was heard and considered. And HOPEFULLY there is a constructive feedback in there as well.... Please! smile

Do you get it yet? I'm off for now. smile

Wishing you all happiness, there's worse things to worry about smile






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#892482 - 04/14/11 08:30 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Mike I get it always did...... do not particularly agree with it but get it.....we do things different here in the UK....so paying for people to listen to your "submission" is alien and totlly unethical. I still think that these top producers etc are in it for the money and any potential talent is a bi product but not the main objective......Ron says he has had thousands of submissions.....so do the maths. I posted a far more ethical way of doing things and still making Blazetrak money.....but that would be less lucrative. I think the difference in opinions are more down to politics and the ethics of business making money at the expense of poor wannabe musicians than anything else. Basically Americans seem to have different view on this than us over the pond.

#892484 - 04/14/11 08:39 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Are you guys trying to set a record here for the longest forum.

Might turn out that way.

Can only wait to see what happens.






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#892486 - 04/14/11 08:47 PM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Petra]  
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I posted this earlier today as a new topic, but then it occurred to me that it has relevance here. It's an example of what an established artist charges for his time. Here's the link http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704101604576248912488703724.html
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p.s. Also a fun read.

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Now THAT'S a Wall Street article grin


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Haha yeah interesting article. It was definitely a good read. Haha Ott, you're awesome dude. :-)

John, I know, I know....Silly me. Next time when I create a post, I will double check the links before I call something an article or press release.

We all have our "blonde" moments sometimes right? I'm willing to laugh at my own idiotic mistakes too. :-)

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Just another little angle on this discussion..lets all forget about the money side of things here,or the "ethics" or whatever,i have a question for Ron from Blazetrack...What is your "take" on the current situation the Music Industry is in at the present time,do you agree or disagree,with the technology at hand,downloading,piracy,file sharing,music streaming..etc etc, and that the present model as we know it, is going to eat itself,and Ron,in the real world what chance has an outsider(songwriter) breaking into the inner sanctum of the big clique,when the alarm bells are ringing loud and clear thru' their closed doors..as the "cake" is definately getting smaller,and shrinking daily,your an honest guy,give us an honest answer,in your opinion,how does the outsider get a piece of the ever diminishing "action".....Terry...

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Greg: Just for the record, I'm a blonde. On the other hand, it could explain a lot.
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#892515 - 04/15/11 12:57 AM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Hey Greg,

Yes, folks do refer others work for free, all the time. It's called industry courtesy.

The business model here reminds me of the saying "That bloke is so sad, he needs to tie a pork chop around his neck to get the family dog to play with him".

Just remove the pork chop and get on with it.

cheers, niteshift

#892518 - 04/15/11 01:49 AM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: niteshift]  
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Okay.. I've again only read a few of the zillion posts here, so my apologies for not getting into the back and forth minutia.

First, and most importantly, I find the response from Ron quite appropriate and reasoned. Roughly 9 out of 10 companies shrink away from my consistent (i.e. I've challenged every company we've ever endorsed or worked with as sponsors just as aggressively) and we never hear from them again. Of the remaining 10%, about 1 in 10 of those pass muster for me. Again, my standards only apply to JPF and myself. I protect our brand fiercely and our integrity fiercely. I err on the side of over protection actually. But it has served us well.

In the few post beyond Ron's that I read, I will say this, Magne had the most reasoned response of all of them. Niteshift, who I disagree with probably more than I agree with is also pretty close to the truth. Mike Caro on the other hand is a bit shocking in his responses based on past issues with companies that show up here and what I know about him. I am not sure what is up with him, but sometimes folks surprise you.

For those who have compared the service, from what I know so far, to TAXI have it very very wrong. TAXI is an unbiased entity that provides a desperately needed service for industry to find worthy material from primarily disconnected nobodies in the industry. And that is not a slam on Taxi members at all. EVERYONE, regardless of talent, fits that description until they become insiders themselves. By saving time and effort of gatekeepers, who are the actual decision makers choosing material for direct commercial use, they improve the opportunities of those who are ready for an opportunity immensely, saving them from having to sort through brutal piles of garbage to find anything useful. Of course, if those gatekeepers were directly making 50-500 bucks a song to listen, even the wealthiest person is going to do it. At only 50 dollars a pop, you could do that full time and make over a million dollars just from screening bad music. Even if you cut it in half for video time, it would still be serious cash. At the high end, it's 10 million a year. Would I call that excessive? Yup. And ironically, should the rare quality submission show up, those gatekeepers would not only have pocketed all the previous cash, but then cash in even larger on the success of the song in question. Great work if you can get it.

Now here's a reality check: Other companies have done this same exact thing already. Remember Tonos? David Foster, Babyface, Carol Bayer-Sager and the lot? That was one of many, but when their private emails showing they were scamming everyone surfaced and they shut down, stealing membership fees from some of our members who had joined the day before and paid in full when they knew good and well they were closing down the next day and they refused refunds even to those folks, well it proved that no matter how large the name, it doesn't prove or even suggest honesty or propriety. When someone is that big, even such a public exposure disappears soon enough. So big names attached means nothing more than a bigger worm on the hook to justify oppressive submission fees. But I disgress.

Taxi doesn't get a piece of anything other than their measley 5 dollar submission fee which is only there as a minimal barrier to keep the same people from entering the same bad song to every possible listing. It's not a profitable thing for them and I have seen the books. Interestingly enough, TAXI is now bucking the trend of using middle man music libraries and going straight to the film supervisors etc. where the artist and/or writer who gets a deal keeps 100% of the money, not a share of it from a library. So not only are their fees tiny, the upside is huge. No giant submission fee. No giant piece given up to the "producer" or famous guy/gal who finds them through a mostly critique service.

But.. I will say that.. Blazetrak has my attention. I always take people seriously who do not get defensive, who are comfortable with their brand and their model being openly discussed (and even attacked) and not taking their ball and going home. At the least it shows balls and I find that a rare thing in the slimy world of our industry. (Most people only have balls once their power is firmly secured and they can bludgeon people with it).

As for whoever (Mike perhaps?) said no one works on behalf of the grassroots music community for free... that's a laugh... whose site do you think you're on anyway? I am a rabid watchdog for our folks and have put my actions where my mouth is for over 15 years. And 100% of the money we've ever taken in has gone directly back into JPF. So our sponsors are feeding our starving community of artists, writers and industry folks helping to educate, encourage and protect them, whether they know what's good for them or not.

Back to Ron: In the past I've hand picked some of our (according to our massive music awards program which screens more music than any other entity in the world each session) best talent in a variety of genres, and asked them to demonstrate what they can do for talent which I know is the top of the heap. After all, if they can't help those folks, what good can they do for anyone. If Ron is up for the challenge, I am happy to pick a few out in some large genres, perhaps Pop, Rock, Country, Jazz, Singer-Songwriters, Rap, etc. and see what they can do with/for them. It would require they waive the fees for the experiment and in return, I would publicly acknowledge any success stories they created to our membership, something that cost WAY more than their entry fees. At the same time, if they walk away, then that will tell me something as well. If they can't help some of the best among us do anything, then they can't help the average or below among us which would make promoting them a bit pointless to our entire membership.

Sound fair? Or perhaps they have a better way to do it? But if I choose the artists, at least I'll know the results are real and can tell a compelling story. And since the stuff will be top quality, it won't be a waste of time to their folks either and they might even make a lot of money in return. It also stacks the deck in their favor because they can twist any arms behind the scenes they want to make something happen and we'd never know the difference. That's far more leeway than I've given others. If they find success, I'll tell the story with all the facts laid out. And it won't cost them a dime. If that goes well, that can be the end, or it can be the start of a larger relationship.

Brian


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#892520 - 04/15/11 02:43 AM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Well, I feel as if I'm going to touch the third rail here. I see massive problems with this approach. I will concede to Brian the fact that he has spent the last fifteen years protecting the people on this site, and I admire that. But I, as someone fairly new here, find major problems. Brian:
1) Why should you be the one who "handpicks" whose songs should be submitted?
2) "It would require that they waive their fees"? Isn't this absolutely destroying their business model, whether you approve of it or not? The professionals on the site set their own fees (or credits, as they are referred to). Do you really think that they will agree to give free listens for the artists you pick out?
3) "It won't cost them a dime". Most certainly it will, if they agree to your terms. Neither Blazetrak, or anyone who works for them, will make a dime, much less a dollar, with your suggestions. Why would they agree to that?
I suggest that you let a few JPF members (which will include me) try them out, and wait for feedback. The odds are still the same as a lottery ticket, as a few posters on this board have already pointed out. Fact is, a few of us will pay for that lottery ticket, especially if it is music related.
Ott

#892521 - 04/15/11 03:17 AM Re: Blaze Trak -- it's a PRESS RELEASE [Re: Ott Lukk (D)]  
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Ott,

Brian is the founder of JPF. Why shouldn't he be the one to hand pick from the pool of talent he has complete access to? I think his experiment sounds like a very intriguing one and I would love to see the outcome of such an experiment. I hope the blazetrak guys share the same sentiment. Truthfully, I personally think they'll go for it. Why wouldn't they? They have nothing to lose from it and everything to gain. Brian has a great ear and knows talent when he hears it. But my opinion is only my opinion. We shall see. :-)

#892522 - 04/15/11 03:20 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
So it's like a really unique cool thing to do
and we ALL have to make money so what? Who works 100% for free except for maybe Brian smile



Brian what I said was the the total opposite.

Mike


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