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#825237 - 06/16/10 05:09 PM Does this chord have a name?  
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If you play the third string open(G)when playing a D chord does that chord have a name. It should be some kind of D derivative.

You will be playing D G D F# while a D chord plays D A D F#.

It sounds like a valid chord (all notes are valid in Key of D).

I can't find this in any chord charts.

Thanks in advance.

Rick

#825241 - 06/16/10 05:34 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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Rick,

It's a D add 11. The G is the eleven. D1 E2 F#3 G4 A5 B6 C#7 D8 E9 F#10 and, voila G11. You use two and four when your making a suspended chord (contains the third) and you use add nine and add eleven when you're not.

Hope that helps.

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#825242 - 06/16/10 05:34 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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D6/9?

#825249 - 06/16/10 05:55 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: ben willis]  
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Thanks Mike..

I was thinking something along that line.

Ben..

Thanks for your suggestion. I think Mike has it.

Rick

#825262 - 06/16/10 06:53 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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Originally Posted by Rick Norton
If you play the third string open(G)when playing a D chord does that chord have a name. It should be some kind of D derivative.

You will be playing D G D F# while a D chord plays D A D F#.

It sounds like a valid chord (all notes are valid in Key of D).

I can't find this in any chord charts.

Thanks in advance.

Rick


Hey Rick!

Definitely a suspension chord -(Dsus4). Normally stacked D-G-A-D , without the F# (10th) on top. No such thing as a "valid" chord. If it sounds good, it is good.

Best, John smile

#825266 - 06/16/10 07:13 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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I call it Harold.

(Usually when I play it, some smartass yells "Hark!")

#825290 - 06/16/10 08:12 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Rick Norton
If you play the third string open(G)when playing a D chord does that chord have a name. It should be some kind of D derivative.

You will be playing D G D F# while a D chord plays D A D F#.

It sounds like a valid chord (all notes are valid in Key of D).

I can't find this in any chord charts.

Thanks in advance.

Rick


Hey Rick!

Definitely a suspension chord -(Dsus4). Normally stacked D-G-A-D , without the F# (10th) on top. No such thing as a "valid" chord. If it sounds good, it is good.

Best, John smile


Hi John..

I don't think it's a sus chord. I have F# and not A.

I found this song with Dadd11 and it matches my playing.

Fast Car - Tracy Chapman
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Chords: Cmaj7-(x32000)
G-----(320003)
Em----(022000)
Dadd11(xx0032)
C-----(x32010)
D-----(xx0232)

Rick

#825291 - 06/16/10 08:14 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Kaufman
I call it Harold.

(Usually when I play it, some smartass yells "Hark!")


I was going to call it Mark in honor of a great musician, Mark Knopfler, I mean, Kaufman.

Rick

#825298 - 06/16/10 08:22 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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Maybe call it "Dsus4 add10". It's still a sus4 even without the "A". The 4th and 11th are the same tone (only an octave apart).

John smile

#825349 - 06/17/10 12:51 AM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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I vote that the G is playing the role of the 4th here and not the 11th. However, since it has the 3rd, I guess you can't call it a sus chord. It's a D add4 (no 5) chord (ha, ha).

Of course since you have the G and the F#, we could lean towards a Gmaj7 inversion with no 3rd -- but you are probably playing in D, so a D add 4 no 5 it is!

Kevin


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#825357 - 06/17/10 01:30 AM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Thanks guys. What I was trying to do was enter it into BiaB to get the bass line. Since BiaB doesn't allow add chords I'll try it with sus4.

Works for me.

Rick

#825429 - 06/17/10 01:25 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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I'm with Kevin, I'd call it Dadd4(no5.)

As some of the other folks have mentioned, it's not a sus because you're not suspending the third (it's present.) It's not an 11 because, to me, 11 is a tension indicating the presence of a 7th.

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#825458 - 06/17/10 02:23 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Nate Tschetter]  
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It still sounds like a suspension chord to my ears Nate. With the 3rd actually being a 10th (add 10) it gives it more of a clashing dissonant sound. I hear it resolving to the actual 3rd.

Here's a keyboard playing first Rick's chord (stacked as he mentioned) - then how I hear it resolving to the 3rd.

http://schicksville.com/Music/Suspension.mp3

I know; who cares. grin

John smile

#825464 - 06/17/10 02:44 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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To me, it depends on the context. In the Tracy Chapman example above, it's definitely dominant sounding. Play a G in the bass and it sounds tonic (like a Major 7.)

In your example, I hear the leading tone (F#) resolving up a half-step ("ti-do.")

#825466 - 06/17/10 02:53 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Nate Tschetter]  
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Can I envoke a John Schick motto ?

"Stop analyzing; just compose the damn thing!" LOL

Heck, if it fits, it fits. BIAB may come up with some interesting variants.

cheers, niteshift


#825469 - 06/17/10 03:01 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: niteshift]  
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Originally Posted by niteshift
Can I envoke a John Schick motto ?

"Stop analyzing; just compose the damn thing!" LOL

Heck, if it fits, it fits. BIAB may come up with some interesting variants.

cheers, niteshift



Yeah Nite! grin Thanks for reminding me. That's what it's all about. Interesting how differently we perceive clusters of tones though.

#825473 - 06/17/10 03:09 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Due to limitations in BiaB I ended up using D/G for the backing and played my chord on the guitar. It seemed to work OK. I see quite a few songs using this chord as a Dadd11.

Thanks everyone for the theory lessons.

Rick

#827127 - 06/25/10 12:59 AM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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Based on the four strings the original poster mentioned, I'd have to go with the GM7/D. If you went ahead and put the A string under that, I'd lean toward a D chord of some flavor, as Mike Dunbar suggested.

It is common for guitar voicings to leave out a note or two, such as the missing 7th (and 9th), which would be expected in a D11/A. Who would expect them? Keyboard players, of course, they have ten keys at a time to work with, if they want. Horn, winds, and string section arrangers are likewise spoiled for choice.

When you've only got six strings, you have to prioritize.

Just be glad you aren't playing a ukulele!

#941739 - 01/21/12 10:04 PM Re: Does this chord have a name? [Re: Rick Norton]  
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There is only one way to name that chord, I'd have to hear what comes before, and after it, because when you have a chord like that, "context" defines it. Without context, you have an 11th chord, with third and 11th inverted. It's not a very practical chord, unless is makes sense in a particular context, such as a moving voice that gives the chord more meaning. 11th chords with the major third are actually rare because of the dissonance of the two notes, and often the dominant seven or nine sus 4 is used. But it could be the upper structure of another chord, so what is the context?

See, here's where piano knowledge helps. Guitarists are often at a disadvantage because the guitar , on complex chords, doesn't give you the nuance you might need in order to "articulate" that precise sound you are looking for.

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