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#738061 - 07/15/09 01:29 AM Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards  
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Hello to anyone who can answer this question. What are the most popular genres on this site. Are there any that are rarely looked at? When posting lyrics, people wonder what genre you are writing in. I have noticed very little other than country/folk/pop. Are there any rock/r&b/hip/hop/jazz folks on here? Just wondering. Thanks.
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#738170 - 07/15/09 01:14 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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Hi Patti,

Thanks for posting here at the Mentor forum.

I'm not aware of any studies here to determine the makeup of the boards based on genre. It's probably safe to say, as you did, that country, folk and pop are dominant. I've seen rock, r&b, hip hop, and jazz posted in the past, but have no statistics on how many folks here consider themselves as such. That's one of the problems in determination.

I, for example, have written and played all sorts of music...country, rock, jazz, new age, blues, reggae, hip hop, Irish, Tex-Mex, filmscore, country gospel, Christian country, zydeco, pop, funk and more. However, I don't consider myself a filmscore, reggae, hip-hop etc. writer. So even though someone might not answer that they are this or that, doesn't mean they couldn't do this or that.

It's an interesting question. You might want to post this over at the songwriter forum. Also you might want to post at the lyric sites mentioning it is not a lyric. There are folks who participate at songwriting or at the lyric boards who do not check out the other boards.

All the Best,
Mike


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#738212 - 07/15/09 03:17 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Mike and Patti,

One of the reason you tend to get more folk or country postings on web sites like these is that for the most part people are trying to find out how to exploit their music to other people, artists, bands, producers, etc. Most of the formats you mentioned, rap, hip hop, rock, blues, jazz, etc. are self contained. The people who do them often are more interested in selling product than having critical looks at their songs.
Since the critical feedback on pages like these are the primary reason people tune in, pages like these hold little interest for them. Most people are more interesting in playing and presenting their music for consumption or sales as opposed to putting it up there for reasons of critical applications.

MAB

#738224 - 07/15/09 03:56 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Yes, that's been true from the start, Marc. However, I've gotten blues, zydeco, rock, jazz and funk cuts. Nothing major, but a few bucks here and there. They weren't all begun with those genres in mind.

I think many songwriters, especially lyricists, and most especially folks not in the Nashville or L.A. song machine, are less "genre focused." They write what moves them, then look for the genre it fits.

Of course, for the storyteller, we get a lot of folkies and country people. That's where the story songs tend to live. Many lyricists are there for the story, and some are "musically challenged." For the guitar-based writers we have a lot of rock folks. Some of the keyboardists are pop or easy listening. Then we have a contingent of instrumental composers here, and some are getting pretty decent tv and film action.

Beyond that, there are folks who are members, even contributors to the forums, who do not participate in the mp3 or lyric forums. They are all over the map, genre-ly. (hey, I like that word...genrely. It's like generally with a french "g." Hey, french "g" I like tha...well...never mind.)

So there are a lot of genres represented on JPF. For the above reasons, some are dominant on the boards, but all are welcome and all participate from time to time. It's been brought up in the past that we should break down the boards into genres, but Brian doesn't want to and I agree. We need discussion and movement in and among the genres. That's the sort of thing that produces new and different music, and new genres, "genrely" speaking smile


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

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#738259 - 07/15/09 08:04 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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But Mike, you have that whole "wizened old man" vibe going on about you. For those of you who don't know, we in Nashville consider Mike kind of the wize old sage that people line up to go for advice and music for. When he plays he kind of has that Gandalf the wizard thing, flowing white beard, intellegent look, he really is a the old old old old, soul that people go to. So you would have a lot of different cuts. LOL!!!!

Actually I have also. I have Christian cuts, accapella cuts, R&B and blues, and some versions of my songs that I never even envisioned. David Ball put a Texas honky Tonk Swing on my Alabama Redneck "Too Much Blood in My Alcohol Level" I would have never thought of.

I think true writers write all over the board. The reason is you never know where a direction is going to come from so you should always be prepared. Always in Music Row's Row Fax, is some different kind of act that we need to be prepared for. Bluegrass, blues, rock, etc. we should actually have a taste of all of it. One of the really cool writing assignments I ever heard of was from a writers group in California I help mentor. This group meets every other Saturday and do excercises and bring in the previous week's assignment for critiques. This is a dedicated group of people. Six guys and six girls.
The assignement was to pick one person from the group and write a song that they would like. There were some girls that were more folky, some guys that were really bluesy, some that were too many ballads, etc. But they hear each other all the time so they know each other's personality. The songs were really a hoot. I got to set in on the performing. A real eye opener.
So the point is to write a lot of things, some outside your comfort zone. Now that doesn't mean to go for something that is alien for you. I wouldn't be writing any rap or hip hop songs or any "Debbie Downer" songs because it is just not in my character. But I have been asked to write close to those styles and have found ways to make elements work from my personality.
A real writer writes all the time. That should push you in directions you never thought of.

Namaste' Mike. Old Wize one. Hope to see you at Doak's this week.

MAB

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#738262 - 07/15/09 08:24 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Mike and Marc,
You guys made some great points and gave me an idea of how it works. I do wish there were different boards but I understand. I feel a lyric can be changed to any genre, as we have seen with "Billy Jean" and others. I wrote a couple that just have the flow of hip hop and I'm typically country. I was going to post but wasn't sure there would be much interest. I also finished a co-write with a local that turned out more rock so far. Again, I was going to put it on mp3 when it was completed,but not sure of the interest in rock. I think I might anyway, for nothing else-a critique. Thanks again.
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#738266 - 07/15/09 08:45 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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Marc,

I'm playing at the NAMM convention this Sunday, we'll see what time I finish. Old man, huh? Let's go out to Percy Warner park for some hiking. Maybe we'll start easy, say five miles?

Patti, Marc's right, as usual. Write as a rite as long as it feels right. Go ahead and post your hip hop work. You might be surprised. I never thought in a million years I'd get a zydeco cut, instead I got three cuts with two artists and two zydeco songs used on Emeril Live, the cooking show.

One more piece of sage advice, or maybe it's oregano? Learn the genres. Study all of them. I'm sure Marc will agree that a real door closer in pitching is when they want one genre and get sent something totally out of the box.

Well, I need to take my Geritol and have my warm milk. Maybe after my mixed martial arts workout smile


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#738268 - 07/15/09 08:53 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Mike,
Thanks for the sagey?/orgeno advice. My rock mp3 isn't quite ready yet and the hip/hop is but a beat in my head. I'll give it a try. I looked up genre on the internet and didn't come up with much. Need to look deeper. Thanks
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#738273 - 07/15/09 09:18 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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Patti,

Here's a good list of genres and styles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_genres

This will give you a start. I'd begin with ones you know. Read about them, listen to what makes them different from each other. Analyze them.

The more accurately you can place your music, the better off you are.

Most of all...have fun.


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

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#738278 - 07/15/09 09:35 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Thanks Mike,
This will be helpful. I have my favorite genre, but I'd like to be more versatile. This will help.
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#739065 - 07/18/09 01:14 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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I have learned that some of the terrific musicians have a great versatility. I will always remember the guitar work by Mike Baker at the recording session (2008 Mike Dunbar's Demo Derby at the String House Studio) for Justice's song Scream. I generally thought of these guys as country musicians - but the way Mike Baker played guitar on that song just transfixed me. It was a powerful revelation - really an epiphany for me.

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#739349 - 07/19/09 10:50 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Tom Shea]  
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Thanks,
I checked out wickipedia and read some great stuff. There's a lot of reading but the history part was most interesting.


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#740001 - 07/22/09 06:53 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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I have posted from hip hop, to beach to country...but it does lean more towards the genre's you mentioned on this site.

Kim


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#740049 - 07/22/09 10:10 PM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: KimberlyinNC]  
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Kimberly,
That seems to be the case. I always think however, that someone could change it up to fit their style if in a co-write situation. That is what I'm hoping for at some point. Thanks for your thoughts.
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#740119 - 07/23/09 07:30 AM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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Versatility seems to be the answer. I perform live for a living mainly covers from all sorts of genres and I write my own original stuff in several. It is true that most folk who use this site are from the Country and Folk genres but there are a few of us OLD rockers here to keep the pot stirring.
Whilst it is good advice to write in a genre that you are comfortable with it does no harm to branch out and experiment with other types of music.
Most serious musicians can adapt to a variety of styles and hate to be branded as one particular genre.

#740318 - 07/24/09 12:48 AM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Good to hear there's some old rockers around and thanks for the post.


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#740323 - 07/24/09 01:13 AM Re: Posting different genres on the lyric/mp3 boards [Re: Patti Smith]  
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Ask Big Jim about his early days singing with Robert Johnson.

Patti, this site is full of surprises. I wouldn't be concerned with what we usually see...just with what you feel like writing. I think you'll find the same kind of thoughtful critiques for anything you might post. Some might need a little note mentioning what you intend.

I think it's often more valuable to get feedback from "Just Plain Folks" than from specialists. But of all the songwriting sites I've checked out, this one has the biggest tent.

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Singing with RJ....I used to change his nappy. LOL

He may be dead a long time but his Blues will live forever.



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Hi Patti

With regards to lyrics I think there is very little in the way of out and out pop posted on here (which I would like to see more of), hip hop and rap is virtually non-existent too. With regards to adopting a style/genre I am up for anything! eek

Cheers

Nige smile


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