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#704865 - 03/25/09 02:16 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! ***** [Re: Lee Arten]  
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babette has personal meaning for me..real name barbara -- which means stranger or foreigner... who wants to be a stranger smile .... gonna stick with babette 4 now.

#711030 - 04/16/09 06:19 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hey went ahead and got the change. I guess this is the first board where someone knowing my real name might 1) even matter and 2) maybe help. before I've always used the steeltoe1926 moniker on all the boards the I've been on heck even my e-mail just so my friends (online and real) COULD recognise me so sure why not? I'm sure whatever is the worst that could happen isn't THE worst that could happen.


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#712981 - 04/21/09 08:14 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Real name or Moniker it doesn't change what I say or how I act. But, let me share an interesting story.

A long time ago I started a dialog on a website called NerdSlut using my real name. NerdSlut was a college project started by my niece and was primarily a poetry forum for college aged women to promote their writing skill.

The site is gone now but for a long time if you serched my real name, up popped the dialog on NerdSlut. Well, guess what HR people do when you're looking for a job, they Google you. If I was lucky enough to make it to the interview, I always had to explain what NerdSlut was.

If you don't mind, until Googlebots stop indexing message boards I will keep my Moniker. If you want to know my real name, email me and I tell you.

#713185 - 04/22/09 06:28 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: ArtistPreneur]  
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If you post truthfully and honestly and you treat people professionally then you have nothing to worry about. If you're in any way ashamed of what you say or where you post your thoughts, then I suggest you stop doing it in the first place. The argument doesn't ring true on merit. This is a music organization of music professionals and hobbyists. If that has any potential to "offend" an HR person, it's likely not a legit company to start with.

Posting nude photos of yourself with your real name is a bad move. Posting truthful statements or sharing your creative work is both respectable and valid in anyone's eyes. But posting with an alias means at the very best, you'll always be a stranger to everyone you come into contact here by default and why should people spend a lot of time and effort to interact with a phantom? I think any time people are afraid to be directly connected to their own words, they immediately generate skepticism in everything they do. But we don't force folks to use their real name. I suggest you create a stage name and use that for all your music business in the same way Elton John is a stage name for Reginald Dwight. At least that will have a consistancy to it and if you market your music under that name and have a website etc. that matches then at least people can get to know you over the long term that way. Or you can do it your way and see how it works out for you. There are always exceptions to every rule. The odd thing is that you've been on here for over 2 years and just now felt the need to post this. Of course over the course of 2 years, we have no idea who you are and know nothing about you and the fake name you use may as well just read "anonymous" as anything else. (although I don't think that name is available anymore).

Brian


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#713264 - 04/22/09 01:55 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

While I deeply respect your comments and desire to legitimize every member on your site, every post on your site is not necessarily free of controversy. It's the "not knowing" who in the world will be reading this site, and/or what they will do with the information collected or used out of context that worries me when we comment on apolicial topics.

Regardless of the fact that this is a music organization for hobbyists and professionals, Google and Yahoo scan this site and store records for up to two years or longer is some cases. The Internet is just a little too big brotherish for my private persona.

Whilst the rest of the world migrates toward embracing a public persona, I've been a stage hand for far too long to want to be on the stage now.


#713288 - 04/22/09 03:20 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: ArtistPreneur]  
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I think using your real name forces you to take responsibility for the things you say and thus helps you self edit and remain professional. If you are going to post something that you would not post if it was in your real name, you shouldn't post it. I think if you're going to be controversial then you should be willing to stand behind whatever problem or controversy YOU create with your words. If you don't create any, then you have nothing to worry about.

As I said, that's our view. But we don't force it on others.

Brian


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#713341 - 04/22/09 07:03 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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My guess is that there will far fewer contributors to objective discussions involving apolitical topics when the opinions of all of contributors involved in the conversation are available to the general public around the world.

What is said here, does not stay here. That's the reality of the Internet. So, it you don't want it to be public, don't write it down, because it will be public for a long, long time.

#713649 - 04/23/09 03:31 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Lee Arten]  
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Brian,I changed mine...I know that many sites suggest that you dont use your real name,that is why i didnt use my real name to begin with.I would much rather use my real name,that way when I write my first #1 hit that stay at the top for 30 weeks straight ,everyone will recognize me from here....lol...I do understand that there are some industry pros here that must use an alias to prevent themselves from being bombarded,or ghermed(am I using that correctly?),and in a case like that,would be acceptable...pretty much I guess it must be left up to the individual,since we may not know thier reasons for signing on using an alias.


*****You know I'm a dreamer,but my heart's of gold*****Motley Crue


#713652 - 04/23/09 03:59 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Michelle Chapman]  
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You guys know I'm half and half on this. I have a real name which I use in business, and a hadle on the internet as well, which has been used for years, and hence, it's a part of me.

I like the idea, that if you're willing to say something, then you do it, with the integrity of being a "real" person, and you are therefor, accountable. Both to yourself, and to others. It brings transpancy, and therefor honesty.

You can find me in the phone book. That doesn't mean I'm freely available to take your call. It just means that I choose to have some form of moderate filtering. You can find me anytime, and if you wish to do so, then it would probably be for good reason.

To each, his own. It's all good, and when it's not, you'll be shure someone will tell you about it.

cheers, niteshift

#714131 - 04/25/09 12:11 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: niteshift]  
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The only real difference is that we hold anonymous folks on a very short leash. When in doubt, we do not generally take the side of the anonymous person. That's only fair. They could be anyone with any agenda. As long as anonymous folks aren't making attacks or telling lies or causing trouble, there's generally nothing wrong. But as Geoff says, if you say something and you want someone to really care about what you think or to listen to something important you say, it's best to do it with your own name and stand behind the truth of it with your reputation rather than hiding behind anonymity.

Brian


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#714143 - 04/25/09 12:59 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hello Brian, better late then never right? I have always used my name when signing off or on a post or thread. I find that the whole experience becomes more personal when real names are used.

I say go for it!

Douglas



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#714145 - 04/25/09 01:01 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hi Brian,

I'll follow along - not that my name change will be THAT big...

Heather


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#714818 - 04/27/09 11:20 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Heather N. Orwig]  
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Brian- I have no problem using my real name...Vicki Shields...when I first joined I only used my first name but as I became more comfortable I added the last name. Thanks for all your time and the new look here too.

Take care, vicki


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#716980 - 05/04/09 01:59 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Lee Arten]  
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alright i can't help but feel like i'm somewhat responsible for this thread getting started(since i've been trying to change mine recently). I however started on this site, from brians suggestion, with my real name; and have been trying to change to more of a screen name. the only reason i've been trying to switch is to tighten up my personal online security. you can't be too careful these days. on the contrary i would however feel a little safer (as silly as it is) if everyone on here used their real names. so consider me on here for good in person... and hopefully everone else will follow.

#717086 - 05/04/09 01:11 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: jt wojahn]  
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JT,

This post started years ago. Please look at the date of the original post.

The argument of "protecting" identity really isn't a valid one. If you were a movie star, let's say Jennifer Aniston, and you posted here under your real name, no one would be any more able to find you than they would be if she posted as FJD002X. However, we might learn to respect her opinion if she was a real person and not some generic phantom. So if you're someone who is not already world famous, the risk is even more remote. Unless you connect your home address and phone number to your posts (which we would never suggest anyone do in any case) then using your real name provides no security risk to you at all.

HOWEVER... it DOES provide a risk to our community when people come here anonymously and post attacks, support certain questionable companies or actions or cause any other disturbance. Being anonymous is a license to lie, cheat, threaten, rip off, defraud, offer false testimony and any number of other things that ruin most message boards. The only reason we haven't switched to 100% mandatory real name use is that there are a handful of legit reasons, not having to do with security or being "too careful" that have allowed us to let folks use Pen names or generic versions of their real name, like even you are doing now.

I've considered switching things to either REAL NAME or defaulting everyone who chooses not to use a real name to "Anonymous" because that's all you'll ever really be to folks if you use something that doesn't identify you. That would also warn folks to take anything said with a grain of salt and not to trust people who aren't willing to be connected with their own words. But I am hoping that folks will simply see the common sense of it and if they want to be professional and build real relationships, (let alone promote their talent) they'll use a real name.

There are a few folks here who use Pen Names but have established them for many years. In one case it's to protect themselves from harrassment which has nothing to do with the music industry. I know who this person is and therefore I am comfortable that they aren't going to misinform or attack folks. If they ever did, I know how to reach them off line. But frankly they aren't going to do that.

You may be someone who will never say anything controversial as well. Frankly, I have no idea what your first name is at this point so you're only halfway using a name anyway. I wouldn't even know how to look you up. Assuming Wojahn is your last name, that narrows it down to anyone start with a letter J. I have no idea whether you are male or female, young or old, what ethnicity you might be and can only guess you might be from the US because you chose to list "kc" and that likely stands for a US City.

I can totally understand if folks don't want to list their location. That's entirely reasonable. But even a superstar could list their real name and have little risk of being found based on that. However if a person says dishonest things in their real name, at least we can warn others to not trust them. That is a protection for the other 17K people who use the boards and the 200K a month that surf here to read posts.

We have a handful of people who are grandfathered in because we know who they really are. If you have some security issue that goes beyond standing behind what you say and do, email me off line and I will be happy to discuss it. Or you can just remain as you are, mostly anonymous, and simply not get into arguments, make personal attacks or endorse anything questionable. Your choice.

Brian


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#717296 - 05/05/09 01:33 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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my fault i thought a last name like wojahn and a major metropolitan area kinda narrowed the field. that is ASSUMING that it is my real name(whatever that's supposed to mean) maybe you didn't mean it that way, but you kind of came off wrong. I DO take what i say on here very seriously unless the whole post is a joke, and like i said wojahn is my real last name. as for the jt.....its a shortened version of my mom yelling at me when i was in trouble, so it kind of stuck since i was 7, but i guess it's not exactly whats on my birth certificate.
id theft is real and my wife and i were victims last year... not something i want to go through again. i know the probability that anything on here was related is slim to none, but when you have no idea where the info came from, like i said "you can't be too careful"

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#717316 - 05/05/09 02:36 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: jt wojahn]  
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JT,

That's an irrational fear. Simply knowing your name does not remotely make identity theft possible in any way. If so, they'd steal every name in the phone book and they'd start with every famous name in government, entertainment, sports and so on. I didn't suggest putting your social security number down... or your home address or even phone number. If folks are uncomforatable with having their location disclosed, they shouldn't post that. That's a far more dangerous thing than a real name. Even with a real name that assumes that no one else in the US shares your name. Your name is certainly not common, but we still don't know your first name. Until you mentioned your wife I didn't even know for sure you were male (and frankly, that alone isn't a guarentee).

AS JT2 you might as well just use Anonymous. And you can be offended if you want, but if I don't know who I am talking to, I don't really care much and I really can't trust anything someone anonymous says.

Real people use real names and usually have websites tied to their music somewhere and even more often want to build an identity for their creative output. If you don't want to promote what you do or promote trust among those who might come across you but aren't sure who you really are, it's at best an uphill struggle. And if you do anything inappropriate, there's no benefit of the doubt. We have to assume the worst because you could be ANYBODY or even another current member pretending to be someone else. But with aliases it's hard to fake more than a screen name.

You've been here a long time. 7 years almost. If you want to change your name to essentially a meaningless partial set of initials and numbers, that's fine. I am changing you right now. But I would never suggest anyone trust anything said by an anonymous person here. It's hard enough to trust people who identify themselves, but at least if they lie or do something bad, the word can get out and people can block or ban them going forward, or at least expose what they did.

Good luck,

Brian


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#717650 - 05/05/09 11:21 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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dear brian,

Please re-read my first post on this thread. I appreciate the fact that now (after several unsuccesful attempts) you cahnged my posting name, however the point i was trying to make on my first post was that i didn't want to change anymore after reading this thread. hence the "i'm here for good in person" line, and hopefully everyone else will follow. please switch me back. you can even put josh as my first name if you want things to be accurate.

As for the security issues, you're right and i agree. i was just trying to stick up for the little guy, not to mention a little insulted as you can imagine.

#720148 - 05/13/09 06:12 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: jt wojahn]  
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I would like to change over to my real name, but haven't yet found out how to do so. On another website I frequent I registered in my real name, but am one of a minority. I agree with the poster who said that many people don't do this because, not only could it be a security risk, but you have to be even more careful what you post, because there is so much talk that potential employers often disqualify people for jobs based on things they have posted online. My 2c worth on this one.

#720152 - 05/13/09 06:21 PM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: beechnut79]  
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You can change it via "My Stuff" at the top center of this page. Then go into "My Profile" and you can change your display name to anything you want, including your real name or some version of it. Then I will have to approve it or decline.

As for it being a security problem. It's not. Period. It is, however, a problem for you if you make attacks or say horrible or dishonest things in your posts. That could affect an employer in theory. But frankly, if you are posting honestly and with facts, not lies, what are you afraid of? Why would an honest and factual post on a message board put your future job in question? It's a weak argument unless you plan to act unprofessionally or dishonestly. You're not planning to do that right?

You should never post something on line that you wouldn't say to someone face to face. If it's not worthy of public discussion, don't say it. If it is inflammatory or dishonest, don't say it. Perhaps using your real name will help you edit what you say so that it is more professional. We want professionals to use this board. You don't have to be making money in music to still act in a professional and honest way. So anyone interested in music can behave professionally.

Brian


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#722167 - 05/20/09 12:37 AM Re: New Policy Idea Open For Discussion: Please Read and Respond! [Re: Lee Arten]  
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It's a fine idea, Brian. I'm all for it.

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