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PS: And Swanee, I agree, the jazz players are often overlooked. What about Freddie Green; - am I alone in thinking that rhythm guitar gets ignored? [/quote]

oh man, you are talking my language now! Freddie Green was arguably the greatest rhythm swing player ever. Never played a solo, never plugged in, never drew attention to himself..but that dude's archtop playing was secind to none. And he was Billie Holliday's late night back door squeeze; talk about a legend!

Unfortunately you are correct about rhythm guitar being ignored, especially jazz. I doubt Freddie would make Rolling Stone's top 10,000 list, much less top 100

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My eyes must be deceiving me ... are Jeff Healey (R.I.P.), Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, and Joe Satriani seriously NOT on this list? What idiot compiled this list? Steve Vai has written/recorded on more albums and movie soundtracks than any other guitarist, including the Crossroads soundtrack (Ry Cooder only did the slide parts). Vai used to play with Zappa, Whitesnake, and basically had a strong hand in shaping our guitar culture. Satriani taught many of the people listed here. And Robert Randolph? -he plays LAP STEEL which is an instrument in its own right. In my opinion, lopping lap steel pickers into the "guitarist" category is an insult to many, many fine lap steel pickers who deserve their own Top 100 list. Give me a break!!!!!

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Rolling Stone's List Of 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time (2003)

Since Roy Buchanan 57th on the list, he gets my vote. Note Clapton's at 3 and Freddie King's at 25.

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
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36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
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41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
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45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
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Originally Posted by Dan Tindall
He almost plays his guitar like it were a piano - the picking and strumming seem to be an intrinsic part of the melody, not just an accompaniment. Certainly made me think about how good you have to be to be any good at all at the guitar!


one lesson I took from Buddy Guy, Hendrix, and SRV growing up, was that rhythym is a crucial part of guitar playing whether you're doing "rhythym" or "lead" guitar. In fact I feel those terms are misnomers, because you have to be good at both to really excell at either. Hendrix used a lot of chords in his solos and the rhythym of his notes drove the band in the same manner that Sting's bass lines lead The Police songs headstrong. Even someone like Carlos Santana (one of my top 3 favorites) who does mostly melodies uses rhythym in very interesting ways. Taking a melodic solo line and repeating it on different beats of the measure, using syncopation, etc. Rhythym is almost more important during improvisation than the notes themselves!

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Mike, thanks for the clip of Roy rogers. Not the cowboy with the stuffed horse, I see. And I'd agree he is good.

I'm not sure he'd make my list, though. Wayne, the other lead guitarist for Screamin' Gulch when I played lead for 'em, could do all the same stuff equally well with a bottleneck slide.

The last guy whose stuff I heard that really impressed me was Buck Owens' guitarist (whose name I just alzheimered)--caught some of his stuff on a podcast recently. Comfortably precise, I think is how I'd describe it. I would love to be able to play guitar like that.

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That would be Don Rich (who unfortunately died way too young). I just listened to Buck Owens Live at Carnegie Hall the other day. Amazing. Don Rich not only played lead, but he also sang that sweet two-part harmony with Buck.

I wouldn't put too much faith in that Rolling Stone list. No Doc Watson, no Merle Travis, no Tony Rice (granted, their bluegrass guys, but Clarence White is on there, so why not these fellas?)

The fact that Johnny Ramone is at 16 and Danny Gatton is 63 REALLy makes me question the validity of this list. I guess Johnny's solo on "I Wanna Be Sedated" got him that high ranking LOL. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ramones, but I'm also realistic.

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Rolling Stone seemed to me to be rolling faster and faster downhill for the past 25+ years, but when it came out with that list I knew it was dead, sunk below dirt, defunct and should be $#!7-canned.

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Well, they sure ain't gathering any of *my* moss.

As far as the list goes, as Queen Victoria (that'd be the *late* Queen Victoria, I think) used to say, "If you like that sort of thing, then that is precisely the sort of thing that you like." I like the Ramones, too (the bluegrass band I played with did a lot of Ramones covers, and "I Wanna Be Sedated" is a favorite of mine)--but Johnny Ramone as a great guitarist? And Chet Atkins not? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by acoustic maniac
yes, buck dharma! he was one of my main influences years ago.he may even still have a subconscious effect on my style now. i was even born and raised where he is from, long island!
My most recent band opened for B.O.C in 2003, and Buck STILL rocks!


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I always thought Vince Gill was great. I don't know as much as some of y'all about Country-genre pickers, but I've seen some of Gill's playing and was impressed. Although, the times my band has played Nashville gigs, I always step into Gruhn Guitars (the famous shop on Broadway St.) and their salesmen can play just as good/fast as Vince. I think the key difference is that players like Chet Atkins, Gill, Ricky Scaggs - they came up with those licks first. These other guys just copy and reiterate. I honestly have not heard any "amazing" Country guitarists in the past decade except for one - Johnny Hiland. He is phenomenal, but even he doesn't stick to pure Country. What's the deal???

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ps: I strongly suggest you listen to Hiland play if you're a guitarist. He's endorsed by PRS and there are awesome videos of him on their website. I own one but can never remember the URL, I think it's prsguitars.com, or something. Check it out!

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I can't believe I left THIS one out... I played a gig with him tonight...Dave freakin' Mason!!! Just impeccable taste and phrasing, and he can turn on the burners when he sees fit..I just sat there in awe tonight!


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There doesn't appear to be a lot of love for the punks on here. And don't tell me that it's because they couldn't play... some of them are freaking amazing.
A couple more that nobody around here seem to mention:

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Geeze, Joe Walsh didn't make the RS List? Now that's bein' Under-rated. I got GREAT respect for ANY man who can make a Guitar HICCUP..(As on "HOTEL CALIFORNIA")...;-)>

&..Lemmie give Props to JPF's Own "Unka Chuck" Crowe...'been listening to his "ANOTHER NEVERMORE" CD...just out...& enjoyin' some Serious Axework on it.

Back to "Lurk Mode" after I give Bob a Vote, too!

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Another underrated guitarist is Dan Fogelberg.

I wanted to make a gospel tinged folk song around "Make Love Stay" and "Same Old Lang Syne" and the theme was about soldiers dying in battle.
But I have never done anything that sensitive and don't have that voice or playing ability.
I never will.
I sounded stupid trying.
But it took me 2 days to get the string synths to match that organic quality I was looking for.
I did it alternative style that I am more accustomed to but was influenced by that sound and melodisicm.

Dan Fogelberg also has a great voice and the same with his songwriting.

Too bad he is no longer among us.
He is highly underrated, but his music lives on.

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Jimmy Page is my favorite guitar player, but underrated he wasn't. He was adored.

I'm glad someone in the thread mentioned Lindsay Buckingham, because he's a great guitar player who was really underrated.

I never really "got" Adrian Belew, and to tell you the truth, The Raisins (in Cincinnati in the '80's) with Rob Fetters as the lead guitar player, sounded a lot better than when Adrian got on board and it became "The Bears". Rob Fetters was probably one of the first to play the punk/grunge/rock guitar style, years before it was commonplace on the radio. But he was also melodic and tasteful, unlike his successors. He's probably the most unique guitar player I've ever heard, inventing his own style well before other bands were cookie cutting it.


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so have you guys ever heard of clearence white, bryan sutton, tony rice, kieth whitley. or was this supposed to be about rock only.

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All guitar players are underrated these days!

I think one of them :-) are Tommy Emmanuel:
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Originally Posted by jt wojahn
so have you guys ever heard of clearence white, bryan sutton, tony rice, kieth whitley. or was this supposed to be about rock only.


Clarence White is a studmonster! Yeah, I love that guy. And I guess that, as a pretty-much sideman-for-hire only, he can be pretty underappreciated. Great call.

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Originally Posted by jt wojahn
so have you guys ever heard of clearence white, bryan sutton, tony rice, kieth whitley. or was this supposed to be about rock only.

Of course, but they are hardly underrated.

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Allen Collins, Steve Gaines, Ed King, Gary Rossington of Lynyrd Skynyrd
Dave Hlubek of Molly Hatchet
Rickie Medlocke of Blackfoot/Lynyrd Skynyrd
Charlie Daniels
Don Felder of the Eagles
Nancy Wilson of Heart
Lita Ford of Runaways/solo career
Chrissie Hynde of Pretenders
Joan Jett of Runaways/solo career with Blackhearts band
Neil Young
Neil Geraldo of Pat Benatar's band
Eric Gales
Kenny Wayne Shepherd
Johnny Lang
Ted Nugent
Ritchie Blackmore

My list, as with yours, could last forever, but I do want to say that if these guys and girls aren't underappreciated, then at least they are underrated.
By that I mean, these guys and girls aren't so popular anymore, and are shoved under the rug by the younger crowds who don't listen to classic rock......


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Steve Stevens
Glen Buxton
Danny Gatton
Nuno Betencourt
Paul McCartney
Will Ray
Jason Falkner
Nik Kershaw
Alex Lifeson
David Grissom

Some of these players are fairly high profile yet rarely mentioned in terms of guitar skills.Others are known for guitar skills but not as "known" as they should be.

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though you may not agree-steve clark(def leppard)


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Walter Becker--Steely Dan
Jorma Kaukonen {sp?}Jefferson Airplane/Hot Tuna


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Billy Crain,The Outlaws,The Henry Paul Band & Blackhawk.
Billy has also written songs that were performed by Martin McBride and does session work for some of country's hottest stars.
Billy is currently touring with Blackhawk & The Outlaws.









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Another entry:

Eric Stewart, who goes back to the early sixties with Wayne Fontana and the Minbenders.
Best known for his work in 10cc.

I like him because instead of being a guitar God and aiming for the top 40, he went the more experimental route and played for himself.
Much like the other members of 10cc with their pedigree.
Like Jimmy Page, from interviews, they are just about as good as they think they are.

Makes me want to expand my horizons not having the skill since they would have everything to gain with the skill.

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Well as long as I drug up my old riff thread thought I'd drag back up this oldie but goodie, especially since there is more love to give,

I don't know if anyone ever mentioned it in this thread as I haven't had time to re-read it all, but Jeff Healey deserves some mad props, to be born blind and learn not only how to play it, but to play it well and soulfully now that's amazing, let's see Eddie play that well Blindfolded. I know that feeling things out over time you could probably do just fine, but in the begining it would be difficult, and hey if you dropped your pick it could be a crisis moment lol...

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Hmmm,...difficult to post when I don't have 3 hours and 26 minutes to fish out all the names that have been batted around here, so I'll just....you know....

Roy Buchanan
Tommy Bolin
Uli Jon Roth
Blues Sarceno
Greg Howe
Gary Moore
Michael Schencker
Vince Gill
AL Dimeola

Yeah, truly recognized as "a guitarist's guitarist" each in there own right, but mention these names today to the average "joe" and they just scream "HEND-RIX" with their pierced tongues out, flashing the rock n roll hand gesture.


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Well it's good to read some of Bob Young's post's again on the first couple of pages of this thread. The guy is hilarious. I heard that he can't post now because of vision problems.

Someone mentioned Clarence White as an under appreciated guitar player. I agree. He was like Leon Russell. You can listen to a hit song and not even know that he was playing on it.

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Ill go with Mike Campbell (Tom Petty) he was so important to their sound

And this guy aint no slouch either. Nils Lofgren
One of the best solos ive heard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCKBbgohbUM

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I'm not so sure that I ever posted one of the most-obvious ones (in my mind):
Dave Gregory from XTC
In a band that featured Andy Partridge, himself a pretty darn good guitar player, they brought in this guy to play lead. Some seriously amazing players in this band.
"Yacht Dance"
"Senses Working Overtime"

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Oh yeah, both gregory and partridge can kill it.

I was just thinking about buck dharma, but I saw he was mentioned.
see also:

Van Temple
Will Owsley
Denny Dias
John Jorgensen

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oh,Steve Howe of YES aint too shabby!

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Surprised that nobody here has mentioned Shakey Graves (don't know his real name), as he's a fab guitarist and he can play like Chet Atkins whilst playing the drum and tambourine at the same time.

Also want to give a heads-up to all the guys who play at the Lossiemouth Folk Festival and the Findhorn Open Mic, as they're talented guitarists.

And many more that I will mention at some point (including my guitar tutor, Joost, who can play Amazing Grace at break-neck speed)

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Originally Posted by Wysha Thorne-Anderson
Surprised that nobody here has mentioned Shakey Graves (don't know his real name), as he's a fab guitarist and he can play like Chet Atkins whilst playing the drum and tambourine at the same time.


Work got cancelled today, so I suddenly found myself with the 5 uninterrupted hours required to read this whole dang thread and google half the names I wasn't familiar with.

So, Thanks Wysha, for resurrecting this thoroughly entertaining and informative thread.

If we're talking "under appreciated" and not "best", then I have to throw Springsteen into the mix. He's only the 3rd best guitarist in his own band, but that's only because he play with Nils(who has been mentioned) and Little Stevie...But the man can play.

HOWEVER! COME ON PEEPS! No one has even whispered their way around the name Bruce Cockburn????

A little anti-Canadian bias slipping in?

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Canadian rock/metal acts. Rik Emmett of Triumph.
Still trying to track down their late seventies cd's in the music store.
I'm afraid of ordering on the net now with all the hacking in to accounts.

Dio's The Last In Line was the first metal album I picked up and is still my favorite.
I never mentioned that Vivian Campbell is behind some of my favorite rock/metal albums.
The playing has the most classical meets goth quality about it.

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Well, I'm getting in on this one kind of late. I did see where some where talking about the rolling stone magazines, top 100 list. I completely agree that it's a joke. Many outstanding guitarist were either near the end, or not even on that list. Ridiculous!

For me I truly believe that Johnny Winter, was one of the most under appreciated of all time. For this I am truly sad, now that he is gone.

Whether it's blues artist, shredders, jazz, or any other genre doesn't matter. There are many great guitarist from each. I see a lot mention that should definitely be in this conversation. It's good to know at least some appreciate them.

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Nile Rodgers!!!
Overlooked, I'm sure, because he is pretty much strictly a rhythm guitar player. But, that said, he is the greatest rhythm guitar player, ever!

Listen to him on these tunes with Daft Punk last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IluRBvnYMoY
and you certainly know this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I

And this one from a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qQ1SKNlgY

Not only is he an unstoppable rhythm machine, but his style is instantly recognizable. You KNOW who is playing, when you hear him.

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Made it all the way through this...
Pretty sure if we named "everyone & anyone who ever played on a Steely Dan record" except Denny Dias who most notably soloed on "Do It Again" and "Boddisava" .
Would 2nd the Glenn Tillbrook from Squeeze mention, which triggers for me, Pete Ham of Badfinger. Their style depended very much on the guitar parts, well beyong the soloing, of which "Day after Day" has one of the most memorable of all (Harrison and he worked the parts out, but producer Rundgren says only Ham's parts were used).
Love "Django" Reinhardt and his style, of which the foremost practitioner has to be John Jorgenson. Saw him live not too long ago, and how he cleanly executes flurries and runs on nylon strings sound perfect. Also very good in Hellocasters... was Elton's touring guitarist in the 80's. Does Nashville session work. Also a brilliant jazz clarinetist in the Benny Goodman style. Pretty mean on sax too.
Surprised no one mentioned Alvin Lee. Fastest of the fast in the late 60's.
Dave Edmunds can pick with the best of them.

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Don't know if these guys were mentioned but i think they should be.
Mick Ralphs of Bad Company
Justin Heyward of The Moody Blues

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I have read through a few pages of this thread and do not really see many what I would call unappreciated players. Nearly all of them are pretty well known. If you want under appreciated then you should check out the Rosenberg Brothers. While they are more well known in Europe, they are almost unknown in the US. Here is a link to Jimmy Rosenberg when he was younger. These guys are gypsy guitarists as good as any out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OH6Kzl78mY

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That's all speed not much else. Music without emotion is dead, i like players who play with emotion. There are thousands of jazz guitarists who can play like that

Not saying the kid isnt really talented, but I think underapprecitaed has to include known people, otherwise everybody would picking their next door neighbor, and no common ground would be hit.




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Originally Posted by Bugsey
That's all speed not much else. Music without emotion is dead, i like players who play with emotion. There are thousands of jazz guitarists who can play like that

Not saying the kid isnt really talented, but I think underapprecitaed has to include known people, otherwise everybody would picking their next door neighbor, and no common ground would be hit.




I take it you did not read my post. I spoke of the Rosenberg Brothers who are reasonably well known in Europe, although they will never be pop stars because of their genre. I posted a clip from one of the brothers when he was about 12 and that is apparently what you choose to comment on. They are all adults now and travel the world performing, but have never gotten recognition in the US. They are indeed under appreciated in my view. If you want to limit your world to what you already know, that is fine with me.


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But if nobody knows them it's hard to under appreciate them.

Put whoever you want down, but your thread was kind of arrogant telling us we were all meotioning people who were well known.

There are guitarists in Brazil who put most commercial guitarists to shame, they just dont sell alot of records, but it would be a pointless discussion

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Ok here is THE most under appreciated guitarist

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Yeah, Prince was a passionate genius on guitar... exceptional in all ways.


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I couldn't resist this older thread. Whenever I hear "unknown" or "under appreciated" guitarist I always think of Danny Gatton. Basically because he is (was) a Telecaster monster! (With an old Tele there is no hiding behind humbuckers and distortion.)

And because he was an un-schooled, play-by-ear guy. Tone, speed, extreme technique, creative, multi-style, musical, fun to listen to and tasteful. But I don't think he is appreciated outside of guitarist's circles.

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