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#682180 - 01/15/09 06:36 AM Using 26 drum rudiments  
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How many JPF drummers use all 26 drum rudiments while playing the trap set or kit in a song? If not all, which ones do you use the most?

John

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#683179 - 01/19/09 04:56 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Let me hear them!

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#683242 - 01/19/09 12:15 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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You heard me play rolls, triplets, para diddles, flams and all that good stuff in our tunes. Or, were you busy talking. smile
Can you dig it? I knew that you could.

John


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#684301 - 01/22/09 06:17 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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I know we have a few drummers on jpf. Just chime right in and let's get this dead drum forum going. There never seems to be much on it. Even if it's great stories like when I fell off my drum stool at the end of a solo or something like that.


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#695101 - 02/23/09 03:23 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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I once beat out Dale Fischer for the longest time running of playing the roles only for "Wipeout"! He had done it for 20 minutes, and the schools, grammar and high school were a buzz about it. Neil Warren, my friend who always would come over to hear me play anything for years, (accordion to guitar, to drums to organ and piano, said I should do, to help get my name around town more in music, for Dale was like Ginger Baker at that time.

I was timed at just over 25 minutes. We were allowed to use any part of the drum set, stands included. Rims, Whatever. I did about two minutes on cymbals, and found the bell area to be helpful for good bounce, (less energy used). When I got stiff, I would let the fingers do all the movement while playing the bell area of the cymbals. I heard Dale do his 20 minutes, a week earlier, and he didn't touch them. He used the rims sometimes, which I found causing me to stiffen up, so I didn't use them for the contest.

Dale searched me out, (I was a freshman, he a Senior), which showed great class. I knew he was still better than me in overall drumming, so I asked if he owuld show me some things. He did. Said a technique he uses is to put the ends of the sticks together and play around the drum set without having them slip off of each other. He said to do slow, soft playing of the snare, then gradually build up to be fast, hard playing of the snare. That was tough to do! (For long periods). Not sure why he did that though. ???

Anyway, I was 14 when I established myself as a musician, being mentioned along with Dale Fischer. That, and getting an organ got me into the best band in South Jersey at that time, "All Rights Reserved".

So, if challenged musically to do something that may seem silly. Do it if ou can! Much fun came from that instant two-town notoriety.


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#695159 - 02/23/09 11:45 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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John, you're a superstar!


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#695284 - 02/23/09 05:25 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Bass2x]  
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"Much FUN came from that instant TWO TOWN notoriety".

How does THAT translate into Superstar?! ????

Maybe discuss the drum points there, or how challenges can lead to more and more playing opps, to be relative?





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#695291 - 02/23/09 05:42 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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I always said I'd make a good "Slow Blues Drummer".

I have no idea what those 26 drum rudiments are...but with so many of us programming drum tracks for our songs, we probably should be learning much more from you real drummers.

#695296 - 02/23/09 05:50 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Ask Marnie anything, and if he doesn't know, he'll find out for ya.

He's become quite the student from many pro drummers. (online lessons and just listening to many drummers over the past year).
(maybe more). Not sure what he does ALL the time!

he now says there are 42 rudiments! (Or near that number give or take).

One hit is one, for example,,,,So I guess that means ALL possible hits and combinations have been made into "rudiments".

I have to learn more about this, of course. MARNIE!!!!!

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#695305 - 02/23/09 06:34 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Yes, Marnie, if you wouldn't mind, it would be great to list the rudiments. I know what rudiments are, but don't know the specific ones past a few.


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

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#695648 - 02/24/09 04:20 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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OK Mike, let's start with the 1st rudiment John D mentioned.

Single stroke roll: One tap of the stick on the drum, alternating hands. Now of course, this sounds so simple and it is. But, one out of sync tap is the same as one bad note on any other instrument.
Then there is the matter of attack. How hard should the single stroke hit the drum. Mastering alternating single strokes leads to the single stroke roll.

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#695651 - 02/24/09 04:26 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Good, John, would you recommend that be done with a metronome?


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#695656 - 02/24/09 04:46 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Yes Mike, I had 5 years of drum lessons with so called teachers without the use of a metronome. All instruments should be learned with the use of a metronome. Because I was not taught with a metronome many years were wasted with bad timing. Now, thanks to SUB, I have become a timing nut! And rightly should be.

The number of rudiments back in the day, were 26. They are up to 40 rudiments, now.


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#695658 - 02/24/09 04:51 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Cool, what's number two? (see where I'm going with this? smile )


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#695659 - 02/24/09 04:52 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hey Mark, I am going to list all 40 rudiments in this thread. I will point out the most commonly used rudiments that might help you with recording. The 1st, single stroke role is used all the time in recordings along with combinations thereof.


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#695706 - 02/24/09 08:06 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Sure do Mike, and thanks for the push. smile I heard that not many drummers are involved in song writing as a whole on JPF. We should be. Hell, even I wrote a song and the band liked it!

OK. The next 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and so on involve single roll count rudiments; 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 counts. The fun part that adds dynamics to a song's recording is where you accent your rolls. For instance the 1st stroke and the last stroke of a 4 count single roll.
( DAT di di DAT ) smile


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#695708 - 02/24/09 08:17 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Good point John. You can never know it all and should always be open to learn something new. By the way, I hear John Daubert plays a mean wipe out. I showed him 2 tricks on the drums today. One a Bonham triplet, with 2 hits on the drum followed by one on the kick. He also learned a Gadd para diddle ram. He picked them up quick!

It's nice having Daub in the band. He is the only one in the band that understands and knows how to play drums.


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#695710 - 02/24/09 08:19 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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So two is DAT di DAT di. Three is Dat di Dat Dat di. Four is DAT di di DAT DAT di di DAT. Five is DAT di di di DAT di di di ?


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#695711 - 02/24/09 08:20 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Bass2x]  
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In more ways than one, Jim. smile


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#695716 - 02/24/09 08:35 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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If I get your drift Mike, I was only talking about accent placement and not the actual rudiment number. Does that make sense?


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#695726 - 02/24/09 08:58 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Yes, that makes sense. So when do we get to play l r l r l l, r l r l r r ?


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#695863 - 02/25/09 02:50 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Ah, a diddle man. Coming soon to a post near you.


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#695881 - 02/25/09 06:13 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Here you go, Mike.

SINGLE PARADIDDLE: RLRR LRLL

DOUBLE PARADIDDLE: RLRLRR LRLRLL

TRIPLE PARADIDDLE: RLRLRLRR LRLRLRLL

SINGLE PARADIDDLE-DIDDLE: RLRRLL RLRRLL
LRLLRR LRLLRR

Never have used the single paradiddle-diddle at a gig.


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#695882 - 02/25/09 06:13 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Here you go, Mike.

SINGLE PARADIDDLE: RLRR LRLL

DOUBLE PARADIDDLE: RLRLRR LRLRLL

TRIPLE PARADIDDLE: RLRLRLRR LRLRLRLL

SINGLE PARADIDDLE-DIDDLE: RLRRLL RLRRLL
LRLLRR LRLLRR

Never have used the single paradiddle-diddle at a gig.


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#696254 - 02/26/09 02:35 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Originally Posted by John Marnie
Good point John. You can never know it all and should always be open to learn something new. By the way, I hear John Daubert plays a mean wipe out. I showed him 2 tricks on the drums today. One a Bonham triplet, with 2 hits on the drum followed by one on the kick. He also learned a Gadd para diddle ram. He picked them up quick!

It's nice having Daub in the band. He is the only one in the band that understands and knows how to play drums.


Ha! I felt like a spaz! It was weird too, with the ear plugs in. but better in a way, for everything was cleaner. Can hear the slop better, and I know I was creating some slop soup!

I can really appreciate your fine drumming as it has gotten, for as I thought I was pretty good on the drums, I hear and see the difference from me, from your long hours of playing everyday.

I'm the Ringo, (not really though), and you're the Bohnam, (close to really). Better in some ways now. Jim has NO idea of your drumming "now". He might have been having a great time with your specific and Jazz/funk playing in these otherwise simple Brit pop songs that gives it a whole new twist now. You got Doc to be 4 times the bass player as just last year when he first played out with 22 new songs after a short period of time for him to learn then all. NOW?,,,Because of you, he's playing WITH you and has mastered the songs.

If only we were all 20 with this sound and feel as we have it "now"! Oh well, we're still having great fun and accomplishments on our scale of weighing things anyway. Thanks to you for being the steady Rock! All bands should have such a drummer and person.

What's that saying,,,,youth it wasted on the young. Well, You especially, still have youth! What other drummers want to learn more in the mid fifties and now sixty, than ever before? And listens to the band members, then weighs it all out, then solidifies the band with what always works? If you have an ego, it works for the benefit of the band!

Other drummers here should take note on what Mr. Marnie has to offer, in drumming styles, technique, and to know how to keep a band together. Priceless, he is!

Ok,,,now get back to the rudiments!

John daubert



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#696327 - 02/26/09 09:44 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Yo I love me some dirty rudiments.

Flamacue for some dodgy accenting, and the single ratamacue for the oh-so-sexy triplet feel. You KNOW that turns the people on.

F X x x F
lR
Also with the metronome I reckon you wanna get some 50/50 action on there. You need to be able to play good time with no clicks and no beeps and no nothing but your solid funky drumming. The bassist will love you for your tight pocket playing.

Having said that, you gotta ride the song. Difference between our electronic sample brethren and the human beat machines is the space and the breathing of the piece. You play relaxed and fluid, your unit might speed or slow but it'll because you all feeling it in your soul and no one's gonna notice. They're just gonna love it.

Don't be a slave to the beep machine!

And learning new stuff is what KEEPS you young, man. Soon as you think you know it all, you get stuck in your ways and you get left behind. So much exciting stuff out there to learn about (and that's just the drums)!


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#696328 - 02/26/09 09:46 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Yo I love me some dirty rudiments.

Flamacue for some dodgy accenting, and the single ratamacue for the oh-so-sexy triplet feel. You KNOW that turns the people on.

Flamacue

F X x x F
r l r l r

F - Flam
X - Accent
x - hit

Single rat

dt t t X
lr l r l

d - double buzz
t - triplet hits
X - Fat Accent

Man, scoring this stuff on forums is HARD!

Also with the metronome I reckon you wanna get some 50/50 action on there. You need to be able to play good time with no clicks and no beeps and no nothing but your solid funky drumming. The bassist will love you for your tight pocket playing.

Having said that, you gotta ride the song. Difference between our electronic sample brethren and the human beat machines is the space and the breathing of the piece. You play relaxed and fluid, your unit might speed or slow but it'll because you all feeling it in your soul and no one's gonna notice. They're just gonna love it.

Don't be a slave to the beep machine!

And learning new stuff is what KEEPS you young, man. Soon as you think you know it all, you get stuck in your ways and you get left behind. So much exciting stuff out there to learn about (and that's just the drums)!


The most disturbed shoe-gazing music that you've ever not danced to, in glorious low fidelity
http://www.simonfairbairn.com
#696364 - 02/26/09 11:55 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: SimonFairbairn]  
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Excellent stuff, fellas.

Welcome, Simon, and thanks for joining in.

How about you guys throwing some examples on SoundClick and linking in? That would help us old bass players learn something about the mystical world of the drum. Unless of course you won't show it to us without the secret handshake? smile


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

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#696462 - 02/26/09 02:52 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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All right that's a nice idea. Download a bunch of rudiment examples from right here:

http://www.simonfairbairn.com/rudiments.mp3

I have thrown in a bunch of my favourites:
1) Single ratamacue
2) Flamacue
3) Paradiddle (over snare and ride, so you can hear the different hands)
4) 5 stroke roll
5) Buzz roll

Enjoy!

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#696481 - 02/26/09 03:10 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: SimonFairbairn]  
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Thanks much Simon, them's some dirty rudiments. Cool stuff.


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
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#696546 - 02/26/09 06:44 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: SimonFairbairn]  
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Good job Simon!
Great to hear another drummer roll in here. I wasn't sure there were any others except Sub and me. Oh! And Daub too.

Keep postin, Simon, and let's expand the JPF subject matter.

John


















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#696552 - 02/26/09 06:56 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Aw shucks, John. Thank you for the kind words. smile

The JPF motto, we're all in this together is exactly what our band demonstrates.
Not a fat head attitude like let's get someone better all the time! Bands in the Philly area never stay together long enough for this reason! There will almost always be someone better. To stick together and work with what you have is very satisfying. I know we have come a long way since Sub Studio.

John


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#696553 - 02/26/09 07:00 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Aw shucks, John. Thank you for the kind words. smile

The JPF motto, we're all in this together is exactly what our band demonstrates.
Not a fat head attitude like let's get someone better all the time! Bands in the Philly area never stay together long enough for this reason! There will almost always be someone better. To stick together and work with what you have is very satisfying. I know we have come a long way since Sub Studio.

John

PS; Everytime I drove by your house for 25 years, I always said to myself, it would be nice to play with a really good real piano player again, such as Daubert. Imagine that!


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#696690 - 02/27/09 01:25 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Bet your sorry now!!! (My Duprytrens, and now the ear thing).


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#696701 - 02/27/09 01:59 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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John, you should do a drum cd called "The 43rd rudiment." And Simon, of course yours should be "Dirty Rudiments."


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
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#696766 - 02/27/09 09:07 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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If I ever reach the point (say in another 30 years) where I actually think that I can add something to the tremendous canon of great drum teaching materials out there, then I am definitely 100% calling my book 'Dirty Rudiments'. Love it.

Thanks for the welcome John - I'm definitely another one who likes his music with STICKS. Drumming just makes me feel good every single time, no matter how stinky my mood. I guess its the whole primal thing or whatever...

I'm surprised there aren't more drummers on this forum. Surely EVERYBODY knows that drums are THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT INSTRUMENT!

Fact. wink

Looking forward to lots of drum talk. I don't actually know that many drummers so when I go to people 'Holy crap did you see that semiquaver triplet into paradiddlediddle over three toms?!' they kind of look at me blankly, so it will be nice to find people who understand...

Si

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#696797 - 02/27/09 11:12 AM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: SimonFairbairn]  
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Originally Posted by SimonFairbairn

I'm surprised there aren't more drummers on this forum. Surely EVERYBODY knows that drums are THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT INSTRUMENT!


Simon, I am also surprised. The forums here are heavy on songwriting, but could provide a great resource to drummers as well.

About drums, as a bass player, I agree with you. My old dear friend, the late Tom "the Hitman" Cerone, used to say, "Nobody ever danced to a lead guitar."


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
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#696909 - 02/27/09 05:58 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: SimonFairbairn]  
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Definitely primordial. Definitely! When the thing came out of the nutrient soup, the first thing it heard was it's foot hit on the wet clay. What! Probably the 1st instrument played is the drum or tree or rock or whatever they rhythmed out on.

Yeah Mike for dance bands, drums are the most important instrument. But never alone. I witnessed that when a woman sat her bare ass in my bass drum. smile Cool huh! Drums get the sex going in the pick up joint.

Simon, sitting on the stool and tapping the "skins" is a definitely release of all tensions. Next best thing to sex!



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#696923 - 02/27/09 06:36 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Originally Posted by John Marnie
Next best thing to sex!


That IS my sex! I save the crashes till the end of my playing!

Ha!


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#701449 - 03/14/09 05:38 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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Yeah, I knew that all along, John.

To make things simpler for a complete list of rudiments go here;

www.drumrudiments.com

Simple instruction on Youtube


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#701454 - 03/14/09 05:45 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Quote
How about you guys throwing some examples on SoundClick and linking in? That would help us old bass players learn something about the mystical world of the drum. Unless of course you won't show it to us without the secret handshake? \:\)


I tried to Mike. But this little notebook recorder can't seem to take the noise! The sound starts out fine and then synthesizes into garble. But, then again maybe my music director will let me use the Mackey mixer.


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#701475 - 03/14/09 08:04 PM Re: Using 26 drum rudiments [Re: John Marnie]  
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Mike,

I tried to check out country drummers on youtube. They seem to be in short supply. I saw a written tribute to Buddy Harman, but that was it. Maybe you can direct us to some country drummers?


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