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#674628 - 12/13/08 01:30 AM Jethro Tull  
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I have been listening to this band a lot lately and they really rock. They have a totally unique sound and make use of many instruments, ala Led Zeppelin. Obviously, they aren't Zeppelin but they are in the same vein.

I really hated that trashing they took at the hands of head-bangers who were peeved that Metallica lost out to Tull in the heavy metal category. I really hate all that genre stuff and they way that people get PO-ed when you DARE to say that a band with a piano is Heavy Metal. There is a heck of a lot more to music than just a distorted gibson, a bass, a wild-man on drums, and a Kurt Cobain sound-alike.

I had been listening to a lot of modern rock radio and to be perfectly honest, I couldn't listen for more than three songs without turning the station. Don't get me wrong. The bands are good, but they all sound exactly alike. Modern rock today is the way I use to think country music was, with the same singer singing every song. LONG LIVE Independent Music. I honestly can't tell one band from another. I HATE bands that are formulaic, which is why I love bands like Zeppelin, Tull, and System of a Down. I mean how many Nickelbacks does the world really need?


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#674631 - 12/13/08 01:36 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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You're right Ralph, Here's my take on Jethro Tull.
They were the first rock band to introduce Celtic music to the masses. They are actually more of a Celtic band than a rock and roll band. It shows in most every song that they play.

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I remember watching my oldest brother Tom oil painting while listening to the Aqualung album back in 1971 or so, and I always played it since then and pretty much remember where all the scratches are.

But when I was in college my favorite became the Benefit album, it still is. Love the spooky atmosphere and the brilliant songwriting.

And MAN could they play a live show!

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I like Metallica.
But Jethro Tull went far in to that thinking man's hard rock that went in to progressive metal acts like Metallica.
Along with acts like Zep.

I played keys a lot to loud metal songs.
I then gravitated to the late keyboardist of Pink Floyd.

However something is played, the roots are still in there.

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#674646 - 12/13/08 03:23 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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I loved playing to DP too.
They were all attitude.
Quite amazing that to start off with that they were thought of more as a tame art rock act.

Clocked in the Guiness Book of Records as the loudest rock act.
I don't know for sure if they have been beat yet.

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I thought motorhead was the loudest rock act


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#674655 - 12/13/08 03:54 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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I stand corrected.
And it would not be without Lemmy.

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With out a Doubt Jethro Tull Benifit was their best album and they were a much better band than metalica will ever be.AJ


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#674660 - 12/13/08 04:49 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: ]  
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When I saw Tull at The Spectrum in Philly, Ian Anderson blew me away while playing that old upright piano. The flute was cool of course, (with effects and the way he played it on and on), BUT his piano playing was one of the very best performances on piano I have seen! And I've seen some great ones up close.

Talk about having an edge while playing piano! I have no problem with them beating out any Metal band. They could hard rock like crazy, and with lots of musicianship and originality. No one even tried to be like them. Too great. Too original. And that voice of Ian's! Wow! How does one get born like that?! Lottery odds, it is.

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Actually the loudest band is/was Status Quo. "Yes" one of my fav bands used to have 30K watts per channel stereo but quo were louder. Never really been a Metalica or Motorhead fan though I quite liked some of Hawkwind stuff especially the topless female who danced with them.

Ian Anderson used to live about a mile from me when we were kids. We never met as kids but a pal of mine was in his class at school till he moved away in the late fifties.
He jammed at a pub in Dunfermline (his birthplace) with some of my pals a few years back. I never got a chance to be on stage with him too far back in the queue that night. He is a great harp player and plays many other instruments. I was introduced and shook his hand but never really got a chance to speak. He has stopped standing on one leg but still is a great musician. LOL

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Originally Posted by John Daubert
When I saw Tull at The Spectrum in Philly, Ian Anderson blew me away while playing that old upright piano. The flute was cool of course, (with effects and the way he played it on and on), BUT his piano playing was one of the very best performances on piano I have seen! And I've seen some great ones up close.

Talk about having an edge while playing piano! I have no problem with them beating out any Metal band. They could hard rock like crazy, and with lots of musicianship and originality. No one even tried to be like them. Too great. Too original. And that voice of Ian's! Wow! How does one get born like that?! Lottery odds, it is.

John


I know that Brian always says modern music is just as good as the older stuff, but where are the Jethro Tulls Queens, and Led Zeppelins of today? When I turn on modern rock radio, it seems like I hear are nothing but people who sing just like Kurt Cobain with the same range of instruments backing them up (guitar, bass, drums). Frankly, it gets boring after a while.


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Metallica are good at what they do. My problem with Metallica is that all they do is thrash metal. OK, they did that stuff with the London Symphony Orchestra, but overall, there is not much diversity in their sound.


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#674673 - 12/13/08 06:16 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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I don't think the music business "allows" the creative styles as was abundant in the 60s and 70's. Especially the 70's. Musy have had musicians running a lot of the projects then, before the real business suits stepped in and took over business as learned in business schools, (as it seems anyway).

Pot maybe? Less and less use by the business people? More strict to what WILL sell, rather than "let's see where that will take us"?

Drums mosty the same now. Pro tools make a lot the same now. Drum machines on records more than before Disco.

Maybe it's the business that holds back the many creative bands that are trying to do "their thing"?

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It's not Tull's fault they won "best metal" that year, I'm sure THEY were as surprised as anyone, and I KNOW for a fact that Metallica respect them. All that aside, they are one of the most unique and innovative bands that has ever existed.


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When it has all been done before where do you go? More of the same.
That is why modern bands cannot cut it. No innovators just copiers.

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I have been a Jethro Tull fan since back in the day. They still occupy a unique niche due mainly to Ian Anderson's wonderful use of the flute as a lead rock instrument.

I have seen them twice live in the last 4 years (both times as a guest of the band). I did a phone interview of Ian from London in 2006 and one backstage with Tull's talented drummer (and only American in the band) Doane Perry in 2005.

I have never been a fan of Metallica or metal in general. The closest that I get is progressive metal like some tracks from Dream Theatre, some from Queensryche...but they are few and far between.

Favorite Tull albums:

early: Benefit
middle: Thick as a Brick; Minstrel In the Gallery
Late(r): Heavy Horses (it helps that I own a Percheron mare) smile

Ian is still spry enough to stand on one leg and cavort around the stage at times. His voice, unfortunately, does not currently possess the old power and range.

The Tull fan base is still large but graying (like myself - except for the large part) smile and both times that I saw them recently they played to sold out houses of about 1500 people.

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Ahh, Queensryche.
I liked Empire but some of their political stuff seems skewed one way to me.
I put up a gospel inspired recording though about 4 years back that was part influenced by Silent Lucidity.

I started off on synths liking a lot of eighties type rock with synth strings, such as Asia.
Asia started sounding much more in the vein of Dream Theater after they were down to one original member.
But now the old lineup is back.

As good as Dream Theater sounds, Asia sounded much more unique in it's formative stages then many gave them credit for.
That is also a trait I like in acts like Foreigner and Deep Purple as well as Tull and the other bands mentioned.

But acts like Jethro Tull definitely pioneered pushing the parameters of the form.

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Yes, Deep Purple is another '70s favorite of mine. 'Live in Japan' was (is) one of the best live albums I've heard from a classic rock band. As far as studio recordings go, my favorites are:

Early: Book of Taliesyn
Middle: Machine Head (of course)
Late Classic: Stormbringer

I haven't really paid much attention to their mid-1980s + releases. Anything worth listening to there?

:)Steve S-N

P.S. I am not at all a Queensryche fan. I like only a smattering of songs from them.

P.P.S. Even though some fine individual musicians comprise Asia, the whole never did (and still doesn't) really interest me.


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Dp's self entitled album before they started competing in metal with acts like Black Sabbath.
"Chasing Shadows", "Blind", are a couple of my favorites on there, but I keep having new ones. I listen to that cd constantly, as well as their newer stuff. And they had an interesting spin on their covers. Another act that did good covers was Vanilla Fudge, but they were too entrenched in covers to get over that hump unfortunately, even though they had their originals.

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Originally Posted by Mark Kaufman
I remember watching my oldest brother Tom oil painting while listening to the Aqualung album back in 1971 or so, and I always played it since then and pretty much remember where all the scratches are.

But when I was in college my favorite became the Benefit album, it still is. Love the spooky atmosphere and the brilliant songwriting.

And MAN could they play a live show!


I knew a girl back in HS (or knew of her, should I say) who claimed to have done the entire band after one of their shows. She did the entire football team so her claims could have had some truth to them. She never did me though. Hehe!


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Originally Posted by John Daubert
I don't think the music business "allows" the creative styles as was abundant in the 60s and 70's. Especially the 70's. Musy have had musicians running a lot of the projects then, before the real business suits stepped in and took over business as learned in business schools, (as it seems anyway).

Pot maybe? Less and less use by the business people? More strict to what WILL sell, rather than "let's see where that will take us"?

Drums mosty the same now. Pro tools make a lot the same now. Drum machines on records more than before Disco.

Maybe it's the business that holds back the many creative bands that are trying to do "their thing"?

John


Thank God for Indie music and the Internet. I will never understand the typical A&R person. How many A&R people today would sign a band as different as Led Zeppelin? And yet the uniqueness of Zeppelin made them one of the best bands ever. Even the Beatles were rejected by the labels in the beginning. And yet, the labels will kill each other to sign K-Fed to a record deal despite the fact that EVERYONE KNEW he couldn't rap and that his album would bomb, which it did.

The suits take all the credit for making the big discovery, yet they only sign bands AFTER they have been discovered by the music fans and have established a buzz. Then they screw that band into the ground by taking a piece of everything.


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Originally Posted by S. Sikes-Nova
Yes, Deep Purple is another '70s favorite of mine. 'Live in Japan' was (is) one of the best live albums I've heard from a classic rock band. As far as studio recordings go, my favorites are:

Early: Book of Taliesyn
Middle: Machine Head (of course)
Late Classic: Stormbringer

I haven't really paid much attention to their mid-1980s + releases. Anything worth listening to there?

:)Steve S-N

P.S. I am not at all a Queensryche fan. I like only a smattering of songs from them.

P.P.S. Even though some fine individual musicians comprise Asia, the whole never did (and still doesn't) really interest me.


My favorite DP song ever is 'Knocking at your back door'. The Blackmore solo in that track is one of the most overlooked in rock, IMHO. That one and the Rick Emmitt (of Triumph, another under-appreciated band) solo in 'Lay it on the Line'. Both are flat out brilliant.


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#675525 - 12/16/08 06:34 PM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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#675542 - 12/16/08 08:00 PM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Herbie Gaines]  
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Aqualung was very instrumental (pardon the pun) in my development as a rhythm guitarist when it came out. And the Celtic influence of the music led me to other artists like Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention

#675698 - 12/17/08 11:21 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Corinne]  
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AMAZING!

In my top 10 favorite bands of all time for sure! Saw them Live! Great, I mean GREAT!!!

Ya know when somebody just appeals to all your musical feels and senses. Well that is Ian Anderson. He's so "musical" it's not even funny. When he plays acoustic he feels every single chord simple or not. It's the accents,dynamics and that great sense of timing the up strokes and pinky lifts. smile Great melodies, lyrics and voice and a SUPERB musician.

Tull has so many great songs it's hard to comprehend. And alot of that falls on Martin Barre. Not only is he an under rated brilliant guitarist his RIFFS are PERFECT.
The kind you can't forget, so simple and incredible like Page,Richards,Perry,Blackmore,Clapton, Iommi etc...

When I was about 16 this guy was watching my band play at this bar, it was about 4:00 am and he told us we were very good as a unit and he would love to come to our practice one day and teach us some things. Well he did and he was older than us and knew his [naughty word removed]. He decided he would teach us Aqualung start to finish note for note. We had never played anything like that up to this point and it REALLY gave me a great appreciation for Tull. More than I had before even.....
We also covered "Teacher" as my bassist could play some flute.
I tried to push for "Songs From The Woods" but the band could not nail it, too much work lol....

Tull - is SUPER original, unique and has a strong base in blues,classical,celtic,folk,renaissance there look and sound and show is something to experience. Super versatile with great musicians playing actually smoking throughout GREAT songs!

There is NO band today actually all bands put together today couldn't touch Jethro Tull and you can include Metallica in that as well. Tull did have huge success and acclaim. They were surrounded by so many other GREAT bands and artist in there prime, I think they are often overlooked and forgotten in conversation. Never by me though! smile

I can't stop humming the opening to "Warchild" now.










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#676716 - 12/22/08 06:04 PM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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#676731 - 12/22/08 07:44 PM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Colin Ward]  
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Caro!!!

Martin Barre decides to go to your band rehearsal! And teaches you "Teacher"! grin What a wild experience.

Agreed, he's a Great, Anderson is a Great, Jethro Tull is a Top Ten all time best rock group.

#676790 - 12/23/08 05:07 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hard rock and heavy metal is very classical and traditional when moved on other instruments or in a mellower form.

Most of the musicians I know where I live do much progressive metal and punk.
I liked playing to that and make songs out of acoustic guitar and keyboard.

I hear many overtones of celtic and gothic rock that leads me to acts like Jethro Tull, 10cc, and even more obscure acts.
It is some of the most obscure acts that hold the biggest influences.
Much of the music from acts mentioned in these posts came from musicians that never came out of their local pubs and clubs.

Jethro Tull's first album especially sounds like they were soaking up their nativities.

And Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, whatever your correct way of looking at it.

#676926 - 12/24/08 12:58 AM Re: Jethro Tull [Re: Ralph Blight]  
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Wow, I'd have given anything to have seen Tull live! I loved that band so much. Martin Barre (sp?) was a really great guitar player. Of course, Ian Anderson was one hell of a flute player and vocalist. I actually did a paper on him in junior high school as one of my most influential figures! LOL I used to sing Tull tunes as a teen and somehow got the sound down.

Just the other day, I was listening to "Thick as a Brick" and thought about the genius of the lyrics..."Really don't mind if you sit this one out - my words but a whisper, your deafness a SHOUT!..." Yeah, that's some good music there. Nothing out there compares to it today. I think that's equally applicable to bands like Yes, Rush, Heart, Emerson, Lake and Palmer...and many more. Where's the THINKING? Where's the musical challenge?


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