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#612775 - 05/05/08 11:54 AM over 25 years of lyrical material stolen  
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My first post. Hi to everyone. My story is strange. I wouldn't believe it either. Lets just say that I was undiscovered. Well discovered by most everyone out there in the music industry. Just no one ever levelled with me about what magic I was producing in the wee small hours.


I write lyrics for all genre's!
#612781 - 05/05/08 12:25 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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Let me guess: You are the one who actually wrote most of the Bon Jovi hits but they stole your ideas.


"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
#612782 - 05/05/08 12:26 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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double post


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#612785 - 05/05/08 12:48 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Samuel Harris]  
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Ideas can't be copyrighted, as far as I'm aware? I just write lyrics for now.


I write lyrics for all genre's!
#612786 - 05/05/08 12:59 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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I'm sort of wondering if you will tell us the story? That's quite a teaser.

And welcome aboard!

-Mark

#612787 - 05/05/08 12:59 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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That's an interesting statement. But no details. So, in 25 years of writing music and/or lyrics, shouldn't one have some time to educate oneself about the music business or copyright one's work?


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#612803 - 05/05/08 01:34 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Hummingbird]  
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Yeah I know, it is just so unbelievable. Maybe if I get to know people a bit more I will elaborate. It was like peeling away the different layers of an onion. Trying to trace back to the first lyrics I had stolen. I think I have pinpointed who it was. There have been various people over the years. Some connected to each other, some not. There is no short version about it, so I will have to leave it for now.

Thanks for the welcome.


I write lyrics for all genre's!
#612841 - 05/05/08 03:31 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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of course you are pulling out legs :/
Joanne

ps .. welcome to jpf. no reason to "peel back layers" .. people around here are quite knowlegdable & friendly with those who are open, honest & upfront.

#612846 - 05/05/08 03:52 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Joanne Lurgio]  
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neverforget, sad but true there are pirates which prey upon the good nature of people...all in all we're a pretty good bunch here, welcome, and what should we call You so we neverforget?...moker jarrett

#612847 - 05/05/08 03:54 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Joanne Lurgio]  
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Well, neverforget, if you lost 25 years of magical music to thieves who are now making money from your work...then I hope you've learned how to stop the bleeding. It's very easy to protect your rights and prove copyright, and also easy to choose a good publisher.

We can't really advise about how you were victimized since you don't choose to elaborate. But here's the good news...if people steal your work, then you're good enough to write salable material. So the future looks rosy.

#612858 - 05/05/08 04:46 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hi NeverForget:

Since I have no specific details regarding the crime, I can't give you advice about possible action you may be able to take. We hope (if you are not "pulling our legs") that you will become comfortable enough to enlighten us someday soon. Sorry about your loss.

As one of the previous posts inquired, feel free to use your real name like most of us do here... unless security is a serious concern. (Maybe you are famous... like Sir Elton!)

Mark Kaufman has painted you the bright side of the picture and he is correct. Sometimes we have to cut our losses and move on... while we attempt to eliminate the cause (or causes) of the previous problem.

Welcome! Please visit often. We are generally a very cordial bunch.

Dave

#612859 - 05/05/08 04:54 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Well I believe it.
Back in....ohhhh! ...'62 I think it was...Me and Bobbie was hitchhiking and got picked up by this here truckdriver....well he was a real nice fella and we was singin' and I was blowin' my harp. and just havin'a good time. We stopped in this truck stop and there was this guy named Kris....something......and we was havin' a couple beers with him....and he was hittin' on Bobbie....and then this other fella came.....oh sorry I'm ramblin'....back to the story....anyway we started talkin' about our trip and I kept tellin' this guy....what was it...hmmmm...oh! yeah Kris....somethin'.....how we was just a couple of free souls and how we was headed out to California to a place called Salinas.......Well he was a real nice guy....took a joint out of this red bandanna and offered us a hit.........good stuff man...I don't know where he got it but it was great.....Acapulco Gold or something like that.....well then we had a few more beers and talked about all kinds of cool stuff...Helicopters and songwriting and livin' in Nashville....why this guy said he even met Johnie Cash one time....any way it was a hoot....Oh sorry...I was ramblin again... anyway this guy said he writes songs and was thinkin' about the stories we told him......He took out a notebook and asked me to repeat the story again.....well that guy could really write fast...he wrote down everything I said...Then we got a guitar from the bartender and started singing a song about what I had told him... well wouldn't you know it a couple years later after another bout in rehab....it was a pretty good one....I finally had my head cleared enough to understand what was going on I was sittin' on the beach smokin' some really good refer and i heard this song on the radio....I thought man that sure sounds familiar....I have heard that somewhere....musta been back a couple years when I was really messed up.....before bobbie left........anyway...I heard that guy got real famous after that.....Then I ran into him again....I was really hung over....started tellin' him about a walk i took on the sidewalk and heard this kid kickin' a can....well that can was really makin' a racket and my head was hurtin'....didn't matter how I held it either...it really was a bad headache.....oh sorry...I'm ramblin' again.


Ok I'll let ya go now...thanks fer listening....

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#612897 - 05/05/08 07:02 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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It was about 1969 and I got on this train called "City of New Orleans". When the train pulled out at Kankakee, this fellow named Steve sat down beside me. I said, "Good morning, How are ya?" Steve didn't say much, he just started writing so I kept talking. I looked out the window and said, "Damn, there's nothing out there but graveyards, rusted automobiles and old black men". A couple of years later I head this song on the radio and I'll be damn if Steve didn't rip me off. I 'coulda made a million bucks. Oh yeah, he made up some stuff I didn't say- something about "magic carpets made of steel" and such, but heck anyone could come up with that stuff. I'm the one who deserves the money and the fame.



"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
#612901 - 05/05/08 07:26 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Samuel Harris]  
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lol


I write lyrics for all genre's!
#612904 - 05/05/08 07:33 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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If you won't elaborate, why did you put this thread out there?


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#612936 - 05/05/08 09:58 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I dunno. Kind of has the same impact as saying, "I must be retarted." smile

#612940 - 05/05/08 10:17 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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#612983 - 05/06/08 12:50 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Herbie Gaines]  
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It was 1959 and I was three years old. I met Louise at the Romper Room while watching Captain Kangaroo. I fell in love and she broke my heart. It was awful. She took her crayons and went into the arms of a five year old. I was devastated. I was broken. I got to where I was drinking every night. I poured some Bocephus Brew in my milk and it got me loose. Betty Louise, who I called Louise, couldn't handle it. I became a drunk at the age of 4! I finally would up crying out from my crib to anyone who would listen. I kept going "Louise, Louise" but it kept coming out "Louie, Louie." They stole my teardrops and made a halfway decent sounding demo but I couldn't understand it. Then it became a hit and I was also crushed because I figured if Louise had heard it, I'd she'd be back to me and I wouldn't be broken hearted. But I knew she'd never get it because the song was "Louise" and they were singing "Louie, Louie."

BUT all was not lost. A few weeks later I met another girl. I fell in love with her and she with me. Then we fell out of love. I met John Anderson and he wrote about us in his song 1959 (the one that ends the chorus with Love, Betty, 1959.)

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#612986 - 05/06/08 01:07 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: eb]  
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LOL this is getting better and better
Heheh
Herbie
I am hurt that you didn't believe a word I said.
If things hadda been different....I...I...I coulda been a contender....but....you didn't believe me..


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#612989 - 05/06/08 01:19 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Romper Room? That's a Canadian show isn't it?...you got that in Georgia?

#613000 - 05/06/08 02:28 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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Back in Liverpool, about 1960 or so, my mother used to let me and some of my bandmates practice in her basement. We had this really cool skiffle group, and just KNEW we'd make it big some day. Just as we started to get a little recognition, the sodded bastards kicked me out! mad I still have a hard time talking about it. Damn that Richard Starkey!!

Greg (back then I went by the name Pete)

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#613011 - 05/06/08 03:00 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Greg C. Brown]  
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Inspiration comes in any way, shape and/or form. If you said something that inspired a songwriter to turn it into a song, then that songwriter is the one who deserves the credit for it. (everyday conversation does not mean you can copyright your conversation).

If you hear a line of dialogue (and it's not a direct quote from a song) in a movie and it inspires you to write a song with that line as your catch hook, no one who had anything to do with that movie is gonna come sue you claiming you stole their "song". It's ridiculous.

If you write a song with inspiration of what you said that same day, you will likely write something COMPLETELY different than the songwriter who heard you as well.

UNLESS you wrote the song that day (melody, lyrics, music) and that songwriter somehow heard it and stole it word for word, note for note, you've got nothing.

If they in fact did "steal" it from you, you've gotta prove they had accessability and you've gotta prove YOU wrote it first.

Otherwise you're dealing with circumstantial coincidence. Which means you've got no case.




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#613016 - 05/06/08 03:27 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Greg C. Brown]  
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You know I think it was about sixty thousand, three hundred years ago, or so when I was just sitting around the fire in a very cozy little rock-earth-hole in the La Chapelle-aux Saints. I pulled a bone of a flying thing from the food scraps left in the fire pit where it had dried out and burnished into a fine reddish tinged umber color. I took one of my best cutting stones I got from none other than the great Gorok himself, the greatest stone shaper of my generation. I bore some holes into the bone, you know, just something to do with my grabber things on the ends of my long swing balancers while listening to Moak tell about his day avoiding those vicious white shaggy-tops from the cold region. As I was working, I accidentally slipped and cut a wedge shaped groove near the end of the bone. I thought I had ruined my bone holes, so I thought maybe I could use it for blowing the shaggy stuff on my topside back from my see-smell-eater parts. I placed it to my open-to-eaters and blew into the end of the bone. To my most pleasant surprise, it made sounds like the flying tweet creatures. Yes, it was an exciting day! As I blew into my special tweet bone some of the others jumped to their large carry-mes and began going around the fire in an odd fashion that seemed to follow the tweet sounds of my bone.

Then, one day one of the white shaggy-tops invented pictures and found a way to describe my tweets on the rock wall. Those white shaggy-tops stole everything!

#613021 - 05/06/08 03:50 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Jack Swain]  
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Oh you guys have sat patiently through every else s's story. Care to hear mine? It was a warm summer's eve. I was on a train bound for...Nowhere. (You ever been there?) I met up with this gambler and we were both too tired to sleep. So we took turns a-starin', out the window at the darkness...til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak. Then he rambles something incoherantly like..."I made a life out of reading people's faces, knowing what their cards were by the way they held their eyes." Then I was like, "Dude"...and he was like "Dude"..and I was like, "Whoa"...and he was like "Whoa". I said, "Who are you, man?" and he sticks out his hand and says "Mr. Bojangles."...and then he danced a lick...across the cell. Then he grabbed his pants for a better stance, then he jumped so high. He spoke with tears of fifteen years how his dog and him traveled about. His dog up and died. He up and died. And he we were, twenty years later and Mr. Bojangles still grieves.

So, I asked him what was his dog's name, and he said "Boo". And I thought how cool it would've been to have been with Mr. Bojangles and Boo...so I say, imagine, me and you and a dog named Boo, traveling and living off the land. Me and you and a dog named Boo...how I love being a free man.

So I was getting ready to go and Bojangles says "Please come to Boston in the Springtime...."

I won't go there.

If anybody sees Don Schlit, Jerry Jeff Walker, Lobo, and/or Dave Loggins, please tell them I have a score to settle with them...and I have a ton of more ideas for them to steal from me.

#613072 - 05/06/08 09:59 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Marc Novoselec]  
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Romper Room? That's a Canadian show isn't it?...you got that in Georgia?


Shoot I reckon we un's shure nough gots that thar tel - o vision show down hear! We even gots that thar digital cable down hear but weeze only gots 10 stations causin that be all the digits weeze gots! grin


#613081 - 05/06/08 10:39 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Thomas Gahagan]  
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You think you've got it bad? Patsy Cline stole my voice. Now, it's gone. All gone. I'll never get over it. Never. wink


"Grits is one of those country-boy words that is both singular and plural-like deer, elk and sheep. I think the singular is appropriate when there's a modifier that makes it clear one is talking about something specific. Like, 'Grits are good for you, but these here grits is tasty.'"~~Joe Wrabek
#613091 - 05/06/08 11:24 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tricia Baker]  
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LOL grin grin grin grin

These have been the best laughs I've had in a long time...except for last night when I trapped my wife under the bed covers. sick

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#613094 - 05/06/08 11:36 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tricia Baker]  
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Well now Terrill I wish I had known that last month. I would surely have told Don Schlitz when I seen him.
I wonder if the beer company stole his name?
grin

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#613095 - 05/06/08 11:38 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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That's OK Tricia....we still luv ya.


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#613128 - 05/06/08 01:05 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Good thing, Bill. I've been pitiful.


"Grits is one of those country-boy words that is both singular and plural-like deer, elk and sheep. I think the singular is appropriate when there's a modifier that makes it clear one is talking about something specific. Like, 'Grits are good for you, but these here grits is tasty.'"~~Joe Wrabek
#613136 - 05/06/08 01:24 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tricia Baker]  
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I met this guy back when I was about thirteen or so I was just startin out. He said I like the way you sing son. Kinda, husky, throaty, unique. Rod something or other his name was.

#613160 - 05/06/08 02:06 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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you'd think people were creative or somethin' out here!

Romper Room I thought was a Pittsburgh thing! I had cereal with a bunch of kids I didn't know every morning.

#613165 - 05/06/08 02:14 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Monica L. Yasher]  
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Romper room.....Hmmmmm
I think that was the name of the motel suite of my first Honeymoon. Somebody stole that name too?


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#613168 - 05/06/08 02:41 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Romper Room was what we called the back of our rock-earth-hole!
Damn, white shaggy-tops!

#613199 - 05/06/08 04:22 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Jack Swain]  
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I was kinda partial to "Wonderama" "Kids are people too... wackadoo, wackadoo, wackadoo!"


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#613200 - 05/06/08 04:26 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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Bob, I thought we were all just lumps of clay on borrowed time. We really don't own anything except that time on Earth.

Speaking of theft, there's a line in the movie The Kite Runner that I found profound. It has to do with the degrees of sin. Theft is the worst one of all. He goes on to explain that even lying is the theft of truth. It was truly a blonde moment for me. I'm like, "Wow! That's good." Glad no one was here to hear that conversation I was having with myself. LOL! grin


"Grits is one of those country-boy words that is both singular and plural-like deer, elk and sheep. I think the singular is appropriate when there's a modifier that makes it clear one is talking about something specific. Like, 'Grits are good for you, but these here grits is tasty.'"~~Joe Wrabek
#613202 - 05/06/08 04:27 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tricia Baker]  
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Uh oh. Stealing this thread is not as bad as that, though.


"Grits is one of those country-boy words that is both singular and plural-like deer, elk and sheep. I think the singular is appropriate when there's a modifier that makes it clear one is talking about something specific. Like, 'Grits are good for you, but these here grits is tasty.'"~~Joe Wrabek
#613210 - 05/06/08 05:03 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Tricia Baker]  
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An old girlfriend stole my joy once.

But I got it back. smile

#613217 - 05/06/08 05:25 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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I'm glad you got it back, Mark. What'a a man without his joy? smile Without it, he's destined for failure.


"Grits is one of those country-boy words that is both singular and plural-like deer, elk and sheep. I think the singular is appropriate when there's a modifier that makes it clear one is talking about something specific. Like, 'Grits are good for you, but these here grits is tasty.'"~~Joe Wrabek
#613221 - 05/06/08 05:33 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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isn't that a Lucinda Williams song?

#613242 - 05/06/08 06:21 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Joanne Lurgio]  
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I do believe in the time I've been gone, you guys have gotten worse. I wouldn't have thought it possible <G<
ME, I'm still trying to write something good enough that somebody'd WANTA steal it <G>
Wy
(Mud)

#613251 - 05/06/08 06:57 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Wyman Lloyd]  
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I can't go into too many details here about my claim. If they want to fight, then so be it.

I have had many other lyrics taken which I would never of published yet alone had turned into songs. This is due to the language and subject matter they contain. But they have been taken and used now. So there is nothing I can do about their circulation.

People just wouldn't believe what was done to me.

I don't think that there is an award that my lyrics haven't won or omeone ee.

Ok here is the money. The scene opens with Bond on the roof of a night club. He is slunched over, hungover. His Tux shirt is all stained yellow from sweet and his face is sweety and unshaven.

His head is thumping a low beat. His blurry eyes open and he try's to focus on the roof entrance to the stairwell. The sunlight is failing now. The camera is on his bloodshot eye as he enters the darkness inside. He enters to the sound of Amy singing the opening theme...

(Amy Winehouse could split the word solace into two and pronounce it as So Lace)
(Craig David could do his in an up beat club tempo)
(final/opening verse as a soulful duet?

A Quantum of Solace

I can't comprehend another day without your smile
the tears on my face, make it easy to trace, The despair
I now face turns to anger and rage inside my minds eye
I took a gamble with our/your love/life and lost my/our life/love

Its easy to trace, the tears on my face
I try to find out why, but its no use
Its you I lost for good my only love
I search now for a quantum of solace

I lost my life/love today, and now I face
A never ending search for a quantum of solace
Just a slither of hope is all I need
that one day soon we will meet again

A quantum of solace is reflected in your smile
Frustration is now turned into a boiling rage deep inside
My face shows the mistakes I have made
I keep seeing your face, as I'm moved to tears

I can't comprehend another day without your smile
the tears on my face, make it easy to trace, The despair
I now face turns to anger and rage inside my minds eye
I took a gamble with our/your love/life and lost my/our life/love

Not one more day will I be able to live
without seeing your face again my dear
So I start a quest to do or die, do or die
I'm a spy who's already lost his life

2008 All Rights Reserved


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#613253 - 05/06/08 07:02 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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Is this a lyric that was stolen? If so who would want to steal it?

#613264 - 05/06/08 07:33 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Perhaps Craig David or Amy Winehouse would want these lyrics on second thoughts.

#613304 - 05/06/08 09:16 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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I've heard that Amy Winehouse would be singing the theme for the new James Bond movie and I've even heard that the name of the song is called, "A Quantum of Solace".

HOWEVER,

Due to the current personal problems Amy Winehouse has been dealing with, she is in absolutely NO condition to begin recording songs anytime soon and it was even publically announced (at least in the news broadcasts in the United States) that she (Amy Winehouse) will NOT be doing the theme for James Bond movie now.

Here's the thing bro....You're claiming that SOMEHOW somewhere there was accessability to your lyrics by some major players in the entertainment industry.

Not unreasonable. It's happened many times before and I am sure will continue happening many times more.

In addition, you're claiming that they STOLE your work and used it COMMERCIALLY for THEIR gain without offering you ANY credit and/or compensation.

Again, quite common and will happen continuously.

The question I have for you is this. Do you have copyright paperwork protecting and proving your claim?

If not, then no matter how much you make a claim that you've been victimized, you really don't have a case in a court of law.

Rather unfortunate, but there is very little you can do without consulting an entertainment lawyer.

Which is exactly what I suggest you do.

There is virtually nothing anyone on these boards can do for you except for maybe mock you, feel sorry for you and/or tell you to move on. Live and let live sort of thing.

I strongly urge you to seek the advice of a reputable entertainment attorney if you feel an injustice has been committed against you and you wish to reconcile the matter.

I know what it feels like to be screwed over. It's happened to me a few times.

What I took from those experiences is the ability to recognize those types of sharks and tread carefully EVEN in shallow waters.

There are definitely people in the creative world who I believe CAN be trusted and many of them are members of Just Plain Folks.

I can't vouch for everyone here, but there are more than a few here I would consider more than trustworthy.

With that said bro, welcome to JPF. Sorry you've been victimized, but that's just the way things happen sometimes.

You know what to do if you want to make what happened to you right. In the meantime, if you want to strike up some friendships/collaborations with people here at JPF, all you've gotta do is earn the respect of the people here and then ASK people to collaborate with you.

You'll find most here to be pretty friendly, AS LONG as you're real with everyone.

Otherwise, you're barking up the wrong tree.

That's my take on this.

GWATT

#613306 - 05/06/08 09:22 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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If you want a critique of this song I suggest putting it on one of the lyric boards. Personally I think it needs a whole lot of work on meter and rhyme. Most of it is fundamenatally flawed. Just my opinion. I am not usually this blunt but when somebody comes on here saying that their lyrics are that good they have been stolen and made the big time I think they deserve to be told bluntly they do not add up.
25 years? I am sorry to say you do not appear to have learned much.

#613311 - 05/06/08 09:49 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Well, Smokey might question where you got some of your lyrics.

#613314 - 05/06/08 09:58 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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HIDee & Welcome, Neverforget!

Hmmmm...Ideas aren't worth Suing For. Patents...& Copyrights..THAT you can sue for Infringements.

Someone once told me "If you ever write a #1 Charted Hit, EXPECT 4-5 Infringement Suits to come out of the Woodwork."

Also heard the Average Copyright Infringement Suit runs the Sue-er $20K...(So don't sue anyone who hasn't made a BUNDLE offa your Material..heh!)

And..lastly, heard if ya wanna Seriously-Pursue Songwriting, you Incorporate & list your Laptop & Desk & Chair as your Corp's Sole Assets... (So if You LOSE an infringement suit, Winner gets to sell off "Your Corp's Assets"...& rest of your stuff's Non-Business Related.)

MOST of the Ripoff Action I ear is Nashville-Related, Alas...(& My Producer Buddy, Gene, Swears he was in The Publisher's Office the day (& watched) "Green-Green Grass of Home" (was) swiped from it's Author.

So...Yeah, it happens. Another Producer-Buddy, Bob Monaco..once had a nice Cassette Course on Songwriting, & most-memorable Cassette was titled "Getting Screwed"... In it Bob essetially said "You can deal with it in one of 2 different ways: You can get a chip on your shoulder..forever... OR you can chalk it up to being in The Music Business...& forge ahead with your Life.

I've always assumed "Living Well IS the Best Revenge"...(& had several Income Avenues Besides Music...since after all, Songwriting IS one of the Hardest Markets to Crack Into...at least the Upper Eschelons.) So...have Fun at your Craft...work at it...(I didn't see a LOT of Marketability or "Uniqueness" in your Lyric-Submitted..alas...but I'm "Nobody"...just a guy like you who's worked at it 25+ years..had a few Near-Misses...and LOTS of Blanks, too...) Might've had one "Lifted" on one occasion, but I've never taken the time to listen to the "Clone" yet, 10 years later!

&..even if it was a Dead-Ringer...I don't have the $20K OR the inclination to sue...I'm too-busy penning The Next One.

Waal...Time to go fix another Clock....HOPE to see your Wares on Lyric Feedback Board 3...& Welcome To JPF...where ya can still have a Great Time Getting-Ahead..& Better Your Craft...among Good Folks who (Usually) tell ya like it is...for Free..too!

Welcome Aboard & a Big Guy-Hug,
Stan

#613342 - 05/06/08 11:55 PM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: ]  
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Funny thing happened at the diner back in 1955…. smile

My Johnny, my one and only, had interviewed for a job that would take him to Europe. I hadn’t seen him because I couldn’t afford plane fare and he couldn’t get a long enough break to be able to travel home. Years later I was out to eat at my favorite diner when the waitress came over and told me I had a phone call from overseas. My Johnny knew I frequented that diner and sure enough it was him. I started to cry but then composed myself and started to share my heart with him after so long a time.

My Johnny spoke the most beautiful of words to me. When we hung up I repeated them to my girlfriend I had been dining with so she could hear how poignant they were. I remembered every word because they were so touching and somehow, almost supernaturally rhymed, so I was able to repeat them verbatim. Oddly, a man in the next booth seemed to be leaning and it appeared he was taking notes on his table napkin but I ignored him since I was so deep in conversation and so moved by my Johnny's words. They went like this... "Oh, my love, my darling, I hunger for your touch, a long lonely time. Time goes by so slowly and time can do so much, are you still mine? I need your love, I need your love, God speed your love to me. Lonely rivers flow to the sea, to the sea, I'll be coming home wait for me", etc.

Years later I heard those words in a song on the radio. I recognized the words instantly because you don't forget words like that. Well, it seems the “leaner” was a “schemer” mad and stole my Johnny's words using them to write what became a #1 hit and eventually a “classic”.

You just can’t go out to eat nowadays….. frown




(not making fun of your situation neverforget, just having fun)

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#613425 - 05/07/08 07:51 AM Re: over 25 years of lyrical material stolen [Re: neverforget]  
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I don't profess to say that all my lyrics are great. However I do produce more quality stuff when I actually work at the construction more. The things I've posted up are really just off the cuff lines. I don't just write lyrics. I do arrangements as well. I'm not sure if that is the right term for what I do.

I take on board everything people have said to me and welcome the funny stuff. I guess I need to learn how to play a musical instrument and read music. It would be great to do some work with others from this board. I have great respect for anyone that can get up in front of a crowd and perform.

The person that used my hand written lyrics is an idiot for sure. I don't know if they are an American. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. I have lots of evidence to back up what I say. I can prove that they are my lyrics due to things I won't go into for obvious reasons.


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