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#645550 - 08/25/08 06:42 AM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Jody,

I think they will come around on the delete audio thing. I understand their need and desire for an archive and to keep people from scewing stuff up by deleting songs constantly and screwing up the judging and ranking system. I think once a contest is over and you're not in the top 10, that it makes sense to let folks just pull the audio off the site at will. I think when it's in the top 10, there should be a time period at least where it needs to stay there. After all, money is involved and the evidence of what was entered and what finished in the Top 20 to enter the playoffs should be maintained for some period. If it doesn't make the playoffs, then it shouldn't matter.

Imagine if the top 10 songs pulled themselves off what those who were not in the final 10 would say? (They'd claim it was all insiders and fixed etc... and that they were hiding the evidence etc..) In addition, fans could do what they now do and that is to visit the top 10 and listen to the best music. Artists should WANT those songs to remain.. it gives value to the site, gives fans more reason to check it out and hear good stuff rather than a mix of good and bad in the voting process and it represents the value of the site to both industry and fans by showing how good the top stuff is. Since Ourstage doesn't charge, they need to have something to attract and maintain traffic for advertising revenue. We want to them to stick around in the community. So far they've been nothing but a positive factor not just to JPF, but to everyone else.

So give them a chance to realize on their own that they don't really need all the losers and if folks want to pull them for whatever reason (not really sure why anyone is so worried to pull it in the first place.. people are so paranoid all while often being all to happy to post stuff on sites that clearly state they take ownership whereas Ourstage says the opposite and doesn't take ownership) then let them.

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#645679 - 08/25/08 03:53 PM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

So far, I have agreed with almost everything you have had to say about "Our Stage". You mentioned to Jody you are not sure why anyone is so worried they would want to pull their song off of Our Stage.

Here is one reason, although it is not s "worried" issue: I have a song that has done fairly well in Tropical, made the quarters a couple of times. Several people have told me why they think it didn't go any farther than the quarters...all the same opinion. Our Stage does not allow you to edit the song itself. They allow you to edit the artwork and info about the song; but you cannot edit the music per se. I recut my song for the Tropical channel. I cannot replace the original version with the edited version. I have to give it a new name and upload it as though it were a new song to my account. Thus, I would have "Tropical Of Candy Corn" and "Tropic Of Candy Corn- 1st Revision", or something to that effect. They would be presented as two different songs, although the only difference between the two songs is some edits here and there.

If they allowed for composition edits, PRIOR to the month of the competition in which the song would be entered, that would not affect any competition and I wouldn't have several originals with revised editions of the same song clogging up their system and my account.

Also, some one might eventually realize that the song they posted is really atrociously bad and they want to pull it so the embarrassment will not continue. My poor judgment has allowed me to post a couple over at SOundclick which I removed because I later realized how terrible they really were. When our "babies" are newborn, we often think they are much better than they really are. And we don't always excercise the virtue of patience before posting. Also, I simply posted the wrong version on one of them. The bass was so loud, seismologists got nervous every time the song was played.

Regardless of the provision for us to remove songs, we should at least be able to edit them anytime they are not entered into a competition.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Alan

#645683 - 08/25/08 04:26 PM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Two Singers]  
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Alan,

I think your situation is quite rare and certainly you could just let them know what you need to do and I bet they'd quickly do it. (In fact, I have yet to hear of anyone who was refused removal of their songs when asking). I am also not aware of a situation where you can't withdraw a song you'd be "embarrassed" by from public competition. If it's a bad song no one is going to be seeking it out anyway, but that's beside the point.

I don't disagree that it should be easier to move songs off their site. But I also understand the complications that can arrive. Frankly, if it were me, I wouldn't allow people to switch out songs mid month. I'd let people pull songs and then enter a new one to start off the next coming month, but not jump in midstream. So in some ways they are way more lenient than I would be and other ways they have policies that are more difficult. That's how anything would be and certainly a free resource has to constantly tweak what they do to lock into the magic formula that works best for them. Perhaps Daniel will check in and comment on this.

Brian


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#645725 - 08/25/08 07:37 PM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

No argument with any of what you said. It all makes sense as you stated it. Thanks!

Alan

#1159788 - 12/19/19 01:15 PM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: ben willis]  
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Originally Posted by ben willis
I couldn't find a way to switch genres' in the edit section. I originally chose "acoustic" before I found that they had a "singer/songwriter" genre.
It really doesn't matter much because my submitions would fit both, but I would prefer "singer/songwriter". Ben





re Your Suggestion Ben " Singer Songwriter " ?? could refer to almost any Genre Known To Man ??


One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1159789 - 12/19/19 01:26 PM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Two Singers]  
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I agree with ALAN we should be able to edit our submissions, as time passes we generally improve

as writers If not we are stuck in a rut of delusion, believing we can all write like a professional

when in fact we are still learning


One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1161386 - 02/05/20 07:09 AM Re: Our Stage - New JPF Community Partner (Feedback!) [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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This is an old post Cheyenne. The funny thing is that the "Daniel" from Ourstage that I frequently mention throughout the post is Daniel Palmer. For those who don't know, he has since become a best selling author of mystery genre books. He was a musician like everyone else around here but his father Michael Palmer (also a best selling author of medical thrillers) taught him the family business before he passed away and Daniel hit the ground running.

So much talent out there, of all types!

Brian


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