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Old thread, kept alive due to interesting topic.
My vote for the most under appreciated guitarist is easy - Ian Bairnson. Ian was the guitarist for the Alan Parsons Project, and before that, he was the guitarist for Pilot. He is my favorite guitarist ever. My second fave is probably Brian May, but I don't think that he's underappreciated - people talk about him all the time.
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I remembered another great guitarist that may surprise some of you out there. Charo is a virtuoso Flamenco guitarist, but most folks think of her as the "coochie-coochie" girl. I have seen her perform on television a number of times through the years and she is still a very fine player. I once mentioned Charro to a very fine, trained classical guitarist. He laughed. And then laughed some more. Then guffawed. Then left the room holding his sides. I had the sneaking suspicion that he did not take my comment seriously.
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She is not a classical guitarist, she plays Flamenco.
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Another one is a band I remember since probably conception. A Dutch band called Golden Earring. I recall my neighbors out in the country I was raised (I was brought up in the country at first, than urbania). Their guitarist, George Kooymans is quite a handy guitarist and songwriter. Golden Earring has always been like the voice of rock to me. Kind of old school and has been around forever. I think their in my diagrahm. More than just the 2 top 40 hits and played off in Europe with their sixties material and being played off on oldy stations in America every now and again. They bring to mind another band called Brownsville Staion.
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I went to see Loudon Wainwright a little while ago, and he is another splendid self-accompanying player. Some very quirky arrangements to make the songs work, Dan
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I revere Loudon Wainwright. Play one of his songs at a solo gig and watch the crowd. His songs work like magic. Yes, he does some unusual picking, doesn't he?
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He almost plays his guitar like it were a piano - the picking and strumming seem to be an intrinsic part of the melody, not just an accompaniment. Certainly made me think about how good you have to be to be any good at all at the guitar! Dan
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A buddy of mine {Scott Miller} played lead guitar in a later version of Brownsville Station. {Great guitarist BTW} Their founder/singer/frontman Cub Koda passed away a couple of years ago.
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you forgot one..monte montgomery
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David Bowie.
He plays all the guitar on the Diamond Dogs album. "Rebel Rebel" is a ripping good guitar performance...Bowie usually doesn't get much credit for those chops.
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He also played the "stylophone" on Space Oddity and there was a rumour that he played sax on a Fleetwood Mac song "I Need Your Love so Bad." Multi talented bloke.
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Did anyone mention Adrien Belew? That guy kills me.
I just heard his cover of The Beatles' "I'm Down" the other day. Damn.
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Hey Pop - I mentioned Adrian on page 1 of this post, then BOb Young mentions him in response, then YOU mentioned him all on page one, so yes, someone mentioned Adrian Belew... Now you mentioned him again. You must be getting old and forgetful. Join the club!
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He must not be so under-appreciated as you thought!
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I got one we haven't thought about: Adrian Belew.
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Mark...Look a couple of posts above you above you {LOL} In keeping with another post by Bob Young...John Fogerty. He may not be a "burner" but his taste is impeccable, and he practically invented the current Americana/Roots Rock genre. In the Metal genre, Micheal Schenker of UFO was as good as it gets. {Listen to "Rock Bottom" or "Lights Out" on "Strangers of the Night"}
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Just trying to perform comedy, Bob.
Hey, +1 on Fogerty. I miss the Rickenbacker he used to play back in the day...gave him those earsplitting tones on songs like "Sweet Hitchhiker" and "Fortunate Son".
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Oh ok
Now I know why I could never get that sound out of my guitar (playing the opening riffs on Fortunate Son), Just never did sound right. Hey Mark was it a 12 string? Sure sounded like it come to think of it. Derek
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No, not a 12-string. It was a model called the 325 and had those great "toaster" pickups that have that great chiming, trebly bite. Here's his old baby (check out his "modified" nameplate):
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I have another couple to add. So great and overlooked -- even in this thread: Glenn Tilbrook (Squeeze) and Elliott Easton (The Cars)
Listen to Squeeze's "Is This Love" or The Cars' "Best Friend's Girl" and you'll know why. So tasteful and creative.
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What about Rory Gallagher? A great Irish blues player. Don't believe me? - check out 'Live in Europe'. Rory wasn't technically the cleanest player, but he played with such feel and passion. The first proper rock gig I ever went to was Rory at the National Stadium in Dublin (an old boxing venue, only about 1200 capacity). I was 14, - came out with my ears ringing, every cell in my body buzzing.
Rory was a great musician, who played like his life depended on it. And one of the small number of actual nice guys in the biz.
Check him out if you're not familiar with his stuff. (Pretty great on resonator and on mandolin too).
Cheers, Karl
PS, - a bit obvious maybe, but what about George Harrison?? Not your typical guitar hero, but always played for the song.
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Don't get Big Jim started on Rory.
Say, how about that Adrian Belew?
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Eric Burdon recieved a demo from Justin Hayward and sent that tape to The Moody Blues in 1966. I guess a guitarist that not only had the talent but could also spot talent is another unappreciated ability in itself, and for the grounbreakers they helped bring. But then again, some did'nt even pick up an instrument and spotted that talent. A hell of a guitarist and innovator anyway.
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It's all Big Jim's fault that Rory's guitar was so banged up.
ADRIAN BELEW! - How could we all forget him??!!! He's definitely on the list of underappreciated guitarists.
Add: Nigel Tufnel - I've never seen anyone play a guitar solo and violin at the same time. I sort of noticed that one of the violin strings was out of tune too, so I'm glad he tuned it. You could tell he had an ear for it.
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Hey PopTodd, I'm definitely with you on Elliot Easton. His brief solos were sweet and to the point.
And how underappreciated is it to be overshadowed by the band's more famous bass player? I'm talkin' Andy Summers. Another guitarist that felt the sting of less popularity.
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Hey PopTodd, I'm definitely with you on Elliot Easton. His brief solos were sweet and to the point.
And how underappreciated is it to be overshadowed by the band's more famous bass player? I'm talkin' Andy Summers. Another guitarist that felt the sting of less popularity. Andy Summers is fantastic. He is the craftsman yang to Sting's showman Yin. (Although, Sting is quite a good musician nonetheless -- and I am not a fan of his solo stuff at all.)
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Ressurrecting this thread because I'm currently listening to TWO underappreciated guitar players right now. They both happen to be in the same band: XTC •Dave Gregory and Andy Partridge
Gregory was recruited as the lead guy, because he is an amazing virtuoso. But if you listen to the records that came out both before and after he left the band, it's obvious that Partridge could easily hold his own, as well. Such a great band.
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Call me crazy, but I would mention Prince as an under-appreciated guitarist. He's well-known for his "spicy" lyrical content and his grooves, but I don't think he gets many kudos for his guitar playing--and that dude can really play. Saw him on the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame inductions a couple years ago playing "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and it looked like the other folks on stage with him (Tom Petty and others) were shocked that he could play like that.
Someone mentioned Elliot Easton of The Cars earlier. That guy might be the all-time most under-appreciated guitarist. His solos on "Tonight She Comes" and "Shake it Up" are outstanding!!!
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Lonnie Johnson and Charlie Christian would be my two most underappreciated. Christian was the first ever to play single note guitar improvised solos. And Lonnie Johnson was THE MAN in early blues.
Even though Rolling Stone is a rock magazine I can't believe how much they ignored the jazz greats. Django Rheinhart, Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery, Grant Green, Bucky Pizzarelli, Tal Fallow, Johnnie Smith, Jimmy Ponder...I would have thought at least one or two more of those cats would have gotten some props.
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Has anyone mentioned Ry Cooder yet? I mean, - come on. For feel, for tone, - for sheer tastefulness in his playing, Ry is hard to beat. And he leaves lots of space. He LISTENS. I reckon Ry is a guitarist's guitarist Regards Karl Even though Rolling Stone is a rock magazine I can't believe how much they ignored the jazz greats. Django Rheinhart, Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery, Grant Green, Bucky Pizzarelli, Tal Fallow, Johnnie Smith, Jimmy Ponder...I would have thought at least one or two more of those cats would have gotten some props.
PS: And Swanee, I agree, the jazz players are often overlooked. What about Freddie Green; - am I alone in thinking that rhythm guitar gets ignored?
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How about Buck Owens? I vaguely remember him cookin' it up on the Hee haw shows - I KNOW he was a skilled player, but was he recognized for being a guitarist?
And how about Adrian Belew?
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Yes, Buck Owens was definitely known for his guitar playing. Before he became a famous CW singer he was one of the hot Southern California guitarists making a name for himself on his instrument.
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Along the lines of a Buck Owens-type: Glenn Campbell?
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Buck's guitar player, Don Rich, was no slouch either. I have their "Live at Carnegie Hall" CD--man, what a show!!!
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When Don Rich first joined Buck's band Don was a hot fiddle player, and it was Buck who apparently taught him the Bakersfield style of guitar playing with the brash telecaster sound.
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Jack Thanks--that's some great info. I knew Don Rich played a hot fiddle, but I had no idea that Buck taught him that style of guitar playing--I always figured it was just his style. He was obviously an adept student.
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I grew to admire Buck Owens as a writer. I really never thought of him as a guitarist, but I guess he was. Like John Lennon in that respect.
I saw Glen Campbell on stage once, and he's not a bad guitarist. I thought he was kind of a showoff, though--he struck me as more impressed with himself than I was. So I let him be.
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Glen Campbell was a studio guitarist and singer (as was Buck) before he was a star and was used on many of the well known tunes recorded in and around LA in the early to mid sixties as part of the famous "Wrecking Crew". Buck started a but earlier doing studio work in LA throughout the 1950's before his first hit in 1959.
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How 'bout James Burton? I know that most musicians, particularly guitartists, know who he is. But I don't think the average radio listener or man on the street really know about him. He played with Ricky Nelson, Elvis, and Gram Parsons. Very tasteful playin'.
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Hey, I love James Burton's guitar playing. If you haven't seen it then find the "Black and White Nights" video concert of Roy Orbison where he is accompanied by James Burton, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, JD Souther, T-Bone Burnette, Jackson Browne, K.D. Lang, Bonnie Raitt, Jennifer Warnes, and slew of others.
It was a really wonderful show for several reasons, but one of the highlights for me was to watch James Burton play. There is one point where he and Bruce Springsteen are sort of trading off solos on their Teles, but James simply leaves Bruce in the dust.
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Hey Jack
Thanks for the heads up. I'll look for that video. Netflicks, here I come.
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Just saw RUSH in concert yesterday,and Alex Lifeson was brilliant as ever, even though he didn't make Rolling Stones Top 100 guitarsts.{This inspite of 35 years of recording, 13 platinum and 24 gold albums.}
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yes, buck dharma! he was one of my main influences years ago.he may even still have a subconscious effect on my style now. i was even born and raised where he is from, long island!
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Rolling Stone's List Of 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time (2003)
Since Roy Buchanan 57th on the list, he gets my vote. Note Clapton's at 3 and Freddie King's at 25.
1Jimi Hendrix 2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band 3 B.B. King 4 Eric Clapton 5 Robert Johnson 6 Chuck Berry 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan 8 Ry Cooder 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin 10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones 11Kirk Hammett of Metallica 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana 13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead 14 Jeff Beck 15 Carlos Santana 16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones 17 Jack White of the White Stripes 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers 19 Richard Thompson 20 James Burton 21 George Harrison 22 Mike Bloomfield 23 Warren Haynes 24 The Edge of U2 25 Freddy King 26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave 27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits 28 Stephen Stills 29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges 30 Buddy Guy 31 Dick Dale 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service 33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth 35 John Fahey 36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's 37 Bo Diddley 38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac 39 Brian May of Queen 40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival 41 Clarence White of the Byrds 42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson 43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic 44 Scotty Moore 45 Frank Zappa 46 Les Paul 47 T-Bone Walker 48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith 49 John McLaughlin 50 Pete Townshend 51 Paul Kossoff of Free 52 Lou Reed 53 Mickey Baker 54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane 55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple 56 Tom Verlaine of Television 57 Roy Buchanan 58 Dickey Betts 59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead 61 Ike Turner 62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band 63 Danny Gatton 64 Mick Ronson 65 Hubert Sumlin 66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour 67 Link Wray 68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape 69 Steve Howe of Yes 70 Eddie Van Halen 71 Lightnin' Hopkins 72 Joni Mitchell 73 Trey Anastasio of Phish 74 Johnny Winter 75 Adam Jones of Tool 76 Ali Farka Toure 77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat 78 Robbie Robertson of the Band 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997) 80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids 81 Derek Trucks 82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd 83 Neil Young 84 Eddie Cochran 85 Randy Rhoads 86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath 87 Joan Jett 88 Dave Davies of the Kinks 89 D. Boon of the Minutemen 90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper 91 Robby Krieger of the Doors 92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5 94 Bert Jansch 95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine 96 Angus Young of AC/DC 97 Robert Randolph 98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer 99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag 100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden Phil Keaggy should be on this list This list is also genre specific and includes no jazz guitarists. Pat Metheny should be in the top five.
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Leave it to Rolling Stone to come up with a stupid list like this. And there supposed to be authorities on Rock. And please tell me this is supposed to be a Rock n Roll/Blues based list only correct?
Major screwball list Okay right off the bat i- Micky Baker???? he's a rock guitarist?
Or are we talking about ALL guitarist? They couldn't get that straight huh? So he's gotta go. If they are talking about ALL guitarist the whole list is wrong
Any list that has Steve Howe & Eddie Van Halen at #''s 69 & 70 is toilet paper not reading material.
Kurt Cobain #12 Are you out of your f... mind LOL....
Joan Jett?? Period, that is a joke I hope. As is any Ramone or is this supposed to be most influential people who use the guitar to spread a style?
Mick Ronson & No Mick Ralphs of Bad Company & Free... Get real!
I LOVE Duanne Allman but #2 & fifty six up above Dicky Betts?
Yes I always think of Ike Turner when I think about guitars before I think of Eddie Van Halen when I think about guitar.
And Jack White would make Steve Howe quit playing right lol... And he's that much better than Brian May huh?
This list is a riot, thanks for posting it RB just goes to show how little people in the know know....
Here's a quick list you can remove and replace with the following.. Greg Ginn of Black Flag Robert Quine of the Voidoids Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine Adam Jones of Tool Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer Trey Anastasio of Phish
Instead of these guys?
Reality Check please
Now ya want a real list.....even without rock guitarist And I seen a slew of them.
Andre Segovia Charlie Christian Wes Montgomery Larry Carlton George Benson Django Reinhart Chet Atkins Charlie Christian Paco Deluccia Pat Metheny Steve Morse Lee Ritenour Roy Clark Joe Pass Roy Rodgers Al Dimeola Roy Buchannan and on & on & on.....
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Robert Quine ABSOLOUTELY DOES belong! So... don't get me started, Mike!!!
Favorite. Guitarist. Ever. (I'll stop short of calling him or anyone else "best", because that is completely subjective.)
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Rolling Stone's list reminded me of why I didn't renew my subscription.
Roy Rogers? I was aware he played guitar, but I wasn't aware he was *that* good. What did he do that's so special he belongs on the list? I.M.W.T.K...
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Robert Quine ABSOLOUTELY DOES belong! So... don't get me started, Mike!!!
Favorite. Guitarist. Ever. (I'll stop short of calling him or anyone else "best", because that is completely subjective.) I apologize there were many there that I would have actually removed before Robert Quine. I never found out if that's supposed to be a Rock only list, or not! it's so darn inconsistent. If it's not and all guitarist are included then sorry he has to go pal... If anyone who's not just soley a crazed fan thinks he's more de-servant to be there than Chet Atkins in any conceivable regard they are out of there mind. Not an opinion.
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Rolling Stone's list reminded me of why I didn't renew my subscription.
Roy Rogers? I was aware he played guitar, but I wasn't aware he was *that* good. What did he do that's so special he belongs on the list? I.M.W.T.K...
Joe Hey Joe Not the old loveable cowboy "Roy Rodgers"This One! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVOgn4RYKw&feature=related
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Robert Quine ABSOLOUTELY DOES belong! So... don't get me started, Mike!!!
Favorite. Guitarist. Ever. (I'll stop short of calling him or anyone else "best", because that is completely subjective.) I apologize there were many there that I would have actually removed before Robert Quine. I never found out if that's supposed to be a Rock only list, or not! it's so darn inconsistent. If it's not and all guitarist are included then sorry he has to go pal... If anyone who's not just soley a crazed fan thinks he's more de-servant to be there than Chet Atkins in any conceivable regard they are out of there mind. Not an opinion. More-deserving than Chet, CGP? Certainly not. But definitely deserving. Especially as a representative of a certain style of guitar virtuosity. And, I did not see the entire list (yeah, I know -- lazy). Was Tom Verlaine on there? Because, a case can be made for him (or Richard Lloyd) instead of Quine. But, I guess that Quine played with more different artists over the years, and on a greater number of "important" albums.
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