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#575469 - 01/14/08 09:12 AM Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools  
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Hi Folks,

We have some folks who want to help us develop our site a bit more. As we discuss possibilities, I'd like to put together a list of key services for the musician and songwriters needs.

For example:

CD Distribution (aka CD Baby)
Digital Distribution (aka CD Baby)
Independent A&R (aka TAXI)
Site Song Storage, Downloads and Sales (aka Soundclick)
Booking Assistance Tools (aka Sonic Bids)
CD/DVD Manufacturing (aka Disc Makers)
Political Representation (aka Future of Music Coalition)
Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast (aka Pandora)
Music Licensing Sites (aka Audiosparx)
Education Resources (aka SongU)
Information Resources (aka Muses Muse)
Music Retailer (aka Musicians Friend)
Music Demo Company (aka Session Players)
Musician Website Hosting (aka Hostbaby)
Public Networking Sites (aka MySpace)
Books and misc (aka Amazon)
Music Organizations (aka Just Plain Folks)
Search Engines (Google)
OnLine Copyright Registration (Library of Congress)
Local Chapter Networks (NSAI)
Music News and Press Releases (Mi2N)
Music Promotion Sites (Music Submit)
Music Marketing Info (Bob Baker)

You get the drift. What I want is to find more of these types of services and example companies of the best you know that do that thing.

This project will also involve our volunteers to help discover multiple quality examples of each segment. I need this info pretty quickly.. so now I leave it up to all of you.

Email me at jpfolkspro@aol.com if you want to keep it private, or post your responses on the Mentor Message Board here.

Thanks in Advance!

Brian


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#575474 - 01/14/08 09:19 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Great idea Brian, just hope we show balance and neutrality and do not look as if we are favouring anyone in particular as per other sites.

#575490 - 01/14/08 11:22 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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http://www.songramp.com

variety of membership levels
allows member uploads and downloads to buy
private listening rooms with passwords for paid members
webpage for all members

http://www.soundclick.com

similar site


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#575509 - 01/14/08 12:52 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Jean Bullock]  
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the new version of this message board allows for a pay pal function (i.e. pay to use certain or all areas of the boards). I am not sure if we'll use it.. but it has possibilities for some things... like special lessons or something where we can charge something to raise some much needed money for our upgrades.

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#575593 - 01/14/08 06:24 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
the new version of this message board allows for a pay pal function (i.e. pay to use certain or all areas of the boards). I am not sure if we'll use it.. but it has possibilities for some things... like special lessons or something where we can charge something to raise some much needed money for our upgrades.
Brian


Excellent idea!
JPF needs something besides "hats and T-shirts" to help support such a huge organization. I know you also take donations and on occasion special "donation drives" to help pay for one-time costs such as happened last year for this board upgrade.

If you could offer some badly needed services right from this site for a reasonable "per use" fee, it would fit right in with everything you/we are already doing to help musicians and songwriters with their learning and career goals.

You mentioned "special lessons", so to add to that, here's a few more ideas:
1. Expert consulting - this could include things like technical, marketing or legal advice, etc.
2. Professional advice - can include feedback on lyrics, melody, composition, songwriting, demos and performance, etc.

I'm sure we could think of a few more!

The idea would be to collect a fee for each unique service order which gets paid to the JPF "expert" service provider. Of course JPF would keep a percentage for administering these services. The percentage could range anywhere from 10% to 15% or whatever you can work out with the various consultants and service providers.
In some cases, service providers might offer JPF to keep a larger share (e.g. 50%) or if they wish they can also contribute the full amount of one (or more) of their consulting jobs.

This could give JPF a steady stream of monthly income while giving JPF members (musicians & songwriters) some great resources and personalized service for their various needs. It also gives professional mentors, consultants and specialized service providers an outlet to promote and practice their skills. In essence, it would work like a "curated" marketplace to bring experts together with various JPF members to fullfill their needs.

Just kicking some ideas around!
Michael


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#575613 - 01/14/08 08:05 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian
Here's a few more to add to your initial "master" list above.

General artist services: (in alphabetical order)

ArtistLaunch.com (Self promotion service for music artists, bands and songwriters)
BandZoogle.com (Musician's hosting & DIY ecommerce sales solutions)
ChristianSongwriters.org (Spreading the Gospel through music by networking with Christian songwriters worldwide)
HarryFox.com (The foremost mechanical licensing, collection, and distribution agency for music publishers in the U.S. - HFA Songfile is the online song search and mechanical licensing tool for those who want to make 2,500 or fewer copies of a recording as a CD, cassette, LP, or digital download.)
IndependentArtistRegistry.com (A national talent scouting & referral service used by the top 100 record labels and a quarter million music industry professionals to find up-and-coming independent artists ready to take the next step.)
IndieKazoo.com (Musician's hosting and DIY ecommerce music sales service)
Iodalliance.com (The industry-leading digital distribution company for the global independent music community.)
Kunaki.com (affordable "Do It Yourself" online CD and DVD production service)
MPA.org (Founded in 1895, the Music Publishers Association is the oldest music trade organization in the United States, fostering communication among publishers, dealers, music educators and all ultimate users of music.)
MusiciansContact.com (Connecting musicians and singers to paying jobs since 1969)
MusicPhoneBook.com (Music industry listings service)
PureVolume.com (Self promotion service for artists & bands)
SongwritersDirectory.com (The "best and most comprehensive" data base of Songwriters and Songwriter Resources on the Internet today!)
Studiotrax.com (online musicians-for-hire talent pool marketplace)
WebSiteMusicPlayer.com (online service to turn any website into a music store where the artists collect 100% of their sales)

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Music Licensing Services:
Note: Most of these are FREE, but you're music has to get accepted to participate with their program.

audiolicense.com
audiosparx.com (must be accepted, pays 50%)
beatpick.com (must submitt music & be accepted, pays 50%)
freeplaymusic.com
iamusic.com (must have min. of 100 tracks to be accepted)
licensemusic.com (this service is mostly for labels)
magnatune.com (must submitt music and be accepted, pays 50%)
nonstopmusic.com
productiontrax.com
pumpaudio.com (must be accepted, pays 50%)
royaltyfreemusic.com
rumblefish.com
shockwave-sound.com
songcatalog.com (specializes in music licensing for advertising uses; costs about $20/month for "starter" package)
soundrangers.com
tvmusic.com
YouLicense.com (anyone can join for free and pay only 9% on completed licensing sales)


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#575631 - 01/14/08 10:04 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hi Brian,

Here's some key sites I think people would find useful
in no particular order.

Facebook.com - A social networking site growing exponentially daily (250,000 sign ups
per day). Could be used asuseful tool to communicate with fans.

MusicSubmit.com - A place to distribute music that
I've been watching for a couple years. Haven't done
any tests with it yet though. (not sure if this is the
same thing your referring to above "Music Promotion Sites
(Music Submit)")

MusicIndustryHosting.com - A place that offers hosting
geared to musicians and is run by the same person as the link below.

MusicMarketingtips.com - Lots of information on marketing
music.

Musicbizacademy.com - All kinds of great info. Also
sells the book "How to Promote Your Music Successfully on the Internet"

IndieBible.com/intro.shtml - Haven't read it but heard lots of good things about it.

Aweber.com - One of the best hosted mailing list
services. Very useful for building a list of fan emails for
when you want to announce news about upcoming
events/releases etc.

Parabots.com
- A good self-hosted mailing list script as
an alternative to using a mailing list service like the
one above.

P.S. Great forum, looks like lots of interesting people and
information here.

Thanks,

Dino

#575715 - 01/15/08 03:40 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Dino Pagliardi]  
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Thanks for the specific examples guys... please continue to add more.

Our idea is to do 1 of 3 things:

1. Partner with the best of the best in a particular niche

2. If we don't think there is someone we want to partner with, then we may just do it ourselves.

3. If we determine it's just not something we want to get in the middle of, we'll do nothing. = )

I still don't forsee us charging a member fee. Instead, we might offer a slate of services as a separate thing. I want to keep JPF free for all. (Just Plain Free if you will..) But adding a slew of services ala carte all in one place with one single interface for musicians is what I have in mind. We have no interest in competing with our friends who do great work, so we're hoping that they'll want to work out a mutually beneficial partnership where either we endorse and facilitate folks using their service or they share a portion of fees collected from our members or trade other in kind services for the business. We're already partnered with some of the very best in the business in their fields and I don't forsee that changing.. just perhaps becoming more focused than in the past.

So any type of service, big or small, especially those that exist on the web in some way (i.e. web site features, hosting, radio, etc.) please post and let us know. If it makes sense, we may try to incorporate it in what we're working on.

Brian


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#575728 - 01/15/08 06:19 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian, why can't you have different membership levels available like they do at songramp. The free version would allow people to do just what they are doing now but the paid membership could perhaps have their own page with song and or lyric samples and a big discount for services from the affiliates.


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#575830 - 01/15/08 02:35 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Jean Bullock]  
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Here are some links. Starting with unions.

The American Federation of Musicians
http://www.afm.org/

The U.K. musician's union
http://www.musiciansunion.org.uk

American Federation of Television and Radio Artists
www.aftra.org

Screen Actors Guild
www.sag.org

Actors Equity
http://www.actorsequity.org/


Here's an association of music teachers.
The Music Educators National Conference:
www.menc.org


These are entertainment buyers (bookers) associations, most have conventions where live bands can showcase and you can set up exhibits.

International Entertainment Buyers Association:
http://www.ieba.org/news.html

Canadian Association of Fairs and Exhibitors:
http://www.canadian-fairs.ca/con_prog.html

National Association of Campus Activities:
http://www.naca.org/naca/

The Folk Alliance:
www.folk.org/


This is the oldest music publishers' association.
Music Publishers Association:
http://www.mpa.org/

These are booking agent associations.

The Entertainment Agents Association of Great Britain
http://www.agents-uk.com/

National Entertaimment Agents Council (U.K.)
http://www.neac.org.uk/main/index.htm

The Australian Entertainments Agents Association:
http://www.aeaa.com.au/

The New Jersey Licensed Entertainment Agents Association:
http://newjerseyleaa.org/

The Association of Talent Agencies (California...film, radio etc.)
http://www.agentassociation.com/

Some Jazz sites

http://www.jazz-in-scotland.co.uk

http://www.arjazz.org/

Hope this helps,
Mike


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It's only music.
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#576107 - 01/16/08 04:00 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Here's some more:



Mediacoder.sourceforge.net
- A free desktop
software for converting between all kinds of audio
and videos formats (including mobile devices).

FLVPlayer.com - A good flash video player that
embeds on your site if you want to self host high quality videos.

PayPal MicroPayments - A PayPal account with a special
per transaction rate of 5% + $0.05 as opposed to the regular
rate of 2.9% + $0.30. This is ideal for people selling
things like digital mp3 downloads under $12.

Voices123.com - A huge freelance marketplace that allows people
to offer and also buy voice talent services.
All kinds of projects going on there like jingles, audio narration,
commercials, radio spots etc.

Guru.com - Another huge freelance marketplace
for various services. The one category that might be of
the most interest here is the 'Broadcasting'.


Dino

#576773 - 01/18/08 04:26 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Dino Pagliardi]  
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Michael B,

Can you put all these together by category and then find all the examples you can for each? (This is basically what I needed for that project we discussed).

So we'd have the category and then as many good examples as you can find:

CD Manufacturers

Disc Makers: www.discmakers.com
Oasis CD Duplication: www.oasiscdduplication.com
etc. etc.

I don't think we'd need more than say the top 4-5 of each category (unless there was a specific reason to have more).

If anyone else wants to help Michael out, please let him know. Also, Kaley Willow offered to help with this project as well I think Michael.. send her a note and you can split it up to get it done quicker. I can use this info in a conference call I am having with our tech development friends. We're really looking at a broad based umbrella for all these services and companies.

Brian


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#578032 - 01/22/08 02:22 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I can putin some time today.....Brian...
I've been locked up tight as can be the last 7....
sorry...thanks...
kk smile smile smile

#578040 - 01/22/08 02:48 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Kaley Willow]  
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Thanks Kaley.. this info will be quite useful.

Brian


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#578081 - 01/22/08 05:46 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Michael B,

Can you put all these together by category and then find all the examples you can for each? (This is basically what I needed for that project we discussed).

So we'd have the category and then as many good examples as you can find:

CD Manufacturers

Disc Makers: www.discmakers.com
Oasis CD Duplication: www.oasiscdduplication.com
etc. etc.

I don't think we'd need more than say the top 4-5 of each category (unless there was a specific reason to have more).

If anyone else wants to help Michael out, please let him know. Also, Kaley Willow offered to help with this project as well I think Michael.. send her a note and you can split it up to get it done quicker. I can use this info in a conference call I am having with our tech development friends. We're really looking at a broad based umbrella for all these services and companies.

Brian


Brian,
Ok, just got back here today, but makes sense to sort these by category! I'll get it started and then post here (or wherever you want to "pin" it) and then I can edit and tweak as needed, or you can copy and paste to another place so you can give it a final "format".

I'll get on this within the next day or two and post back!

Michael


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Please get with Kaley so you guys can get twice as much done... things are heating up on our end and the sooner we have the info the better...

I'd like to end up with at least 20 clear cut services and 5 examples of each (if they exist). (More is even better.. but 20 would be the target minimum).

Brian


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#578195 - 01/22/08 09:44 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,
I just finished the first "master" draft. It will be easy to add new categories and additional listings as we continue to get meaningful input from our members. By "meaningful" I mean folks that have actually USED (and are satisfied) with the services they are suggesting and recommending, otherwise we'll end up with a long page of "Googled" listings with little idea about relevance or quality. For example, most of the listings I've suggested (contributed) have been around for quit a while and I've been using them (successfully) or have been watching them and/or hearing good things from other musicians, etc.

Regardless, we can never do enough "research" to properly vet out any of these resource listings.

Attn: JPF members and volunteers (Kaley included!) smile
You are all invited to suggest more listings here on this topic.
Please see Suggestion guidelines below in my next post.

We are going for QUALITY rather than just quanitity. Let's focus 1st on thos categories that don't have at least 5 listings yet, so please take a look and go from there.

As new things get listed, I can add them and let Brian go over the list for final editing.

Michael
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Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools
(Listed in alphabetical order by category and resource names)

Booking Assistance
Canadian Association of Fairs and Exhibitors: http://www.canadian-fairs.ca/con_prog.html
International Entertainment Buyers Association: http://www.ieba.org/news.html
National Association of Campus Activities: http://www.naca.org/naca
Sonic Bids: http://www.sonicbids.com
The Folk Alliance: http://www.folk.org

CD Distribution
Amazon: http://advantage.amazon.com/gp/vendor/public/join
CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com
Comp10: http://compo10.com/MusicHosts.htm
Independent Artists Company: http://iacmusic.com
Indie Rhythm: http://www.indierhythm.com
The Orchard: http://www.theorchard.com

CD/DVD Manufactures
Disc Makers: http://www.discmakers.com
DiskFaktory: http://www.diskfaktory.com
Kunaki: http://www.kunaki.com
Oasis CD Duplication: http://www.oasiscdduplication.com

Composer & Songwriter Associations
Alliance of Canadian Cinema Television and Radio Artists: http://www.actra.ca
Asian Composers League http://asiancomposersleague.com
Association of Independant Music Publishers: http://www.aimp.org
Christian Songwriters: http://christiansongwriters.org
Composers Association of New Zealand http://www.canz.net.nz/
National Association of Composers, USA (NACUSA) http://www.music-usa.org/nacusa
NSAI: http://www.nashvillesongwriters.com
Songwriters Directory: http://www.songwritersdirectory.com
The Society of Composers and Lyricists: http://www.thescl.com

Copyrights & Legal Resources
Canadian Song Depository c/o Songwriters Association of Canada: http://www.songwriters.ca/SRV30.php
Copyright Ė U.S. Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov
Go Copyright - http://www.gocopyright.com
Online Ė U.S. Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov/eco/beta-request.html
Public Domain Music: http://www.pdinfo.com
The Musicians Guide Through The Legal Jungle: http://www.legaljungleguide.com
Volunteer Lawyers For The Arts: http://www.vlany.org

Digital Distribution
Catapult - http://www.catapultdistribution.com
CDBaby: http://cdbaby.net
Independent Online Digital Alliance: http://www.iodalliance.com
TuneCore: http://www.tunecore.com
Watunes: http://www.watunes.com

Education & Information Resources
Berklee College of Music: http://www.berkleemusic.com/school/courses
Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp
Columbia University Music & Arts: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/music/index.html
Harvard Library for music scholars: http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/music/resources/meta.html
Home Recording: http://homerecording.com
Irving S. Gilmore Music Library: http://www.library.yale.edu/musiclib/muslib.htm
Mix Online: http://mixonline.com
Music Biz Academy: http://www.musicbizacademy.com
Muses Muse: http://www.musesmuse.com
SongU: http://www.songu.com
Songwriter101: http://songwriter101.com/about
Sound On Sound: http://www.soundonsound.com
The National Association for Music Education: http://www.menc.org

Entertainment Attorneys
Penn State - The Dickinson School of Law: http://www.dsl.psu.edu/clinic/artsports.cfm

Independent A&R
Independent Artist Registry: http://www.independentartistregistry.com
Taxi: http://www.taxi.com

Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast
LastFM: http://www.last.fm
Live 365: http://www.live365.com/broadcast
Pandora: http://www.pandora.com

Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers
Folk Of The Wood: http://www.folkofthewood.com
Guitar Center: http://www.guitarcenter.com
Lark In The Morning: http://larkinthemorning.com
McCabe's Guitar Shop: http://www.mccabes.com
Musicians Friend: http://www.musiciansfriend.com
Sam Ash: http://www.samash.com
Sweet Water: http://www.sweetwater.com
ZZ Sounds: http://www.zzounds.com

Music Licensing Services
Harry Fox: http://www.harryfox.com
LicenseQuote: http://www.licensequote.com
Pump Audio: http://www.pumpaudio.com
Song Catalog: http://musicnet.songcatalog.com/Info
Versus Media - Placing music in film: http://www.versusmedia.com
You License: http://www.youlicense.com

Music Marketing Resources
Ariel Hyatt Publicity: http://www.arielpublicity.com
Bob Baker: http://www.bob-baker.com
Film Music World: http://www.filmmusicworld.com
Indie Bible: http://www.indiebible.com
Nashville Music Business Directory: http://www.nashvilleconnection.com
Music Marketing: http://musicmarketing.com
Music Phonebook: http://www.musicphonebook.com
Music Publisherís Association: http://www.mpa.org
Musician's Atlas: http://www.musiciansatlas.com
The Music Business Registry: http://www.musicregistry.com

Music News and Press
Beat Wire: http://www.beatwire.com
Media Futurist Gerd Leonhard: http://www.mediafuturist.com
Music Industry News Network: http://www.mi2n.com
Music Dish: http://musicdish.com
PR Web Press Release Newswire: http://www.prweb.com

Music Organizations
Chritian Songwriters: http://christiansongwriters.org
Filmgravity: http://www.filmgravity.com
Film Music Network: http://www.filmmusic.net
Just Plain Folks: http://www.jpfolks.com
Music Publisher's Association - http://www.mpa.org
NAMM - The International Music Products Association: http://www.namm.org
MI7: http://www.mi7.com

Music Promotion Sites
AirPlay Dirct: http://www.airplaydirect.com
Amie Street: http://www.amiestreet.com
Artist Launch: http://www.artistlaunch.com
Music Submit: http://www.musicsubmit.com
Pure Volume: http://www.purevolume.com
The Tub Magazine: http://www.thetubmagazine.com

Music Storage, Downloads and Sales
Broadjam: http://www.broadjam.com
Musicane: http://www.musicane.com
SongRamp: http://www.songramp.com
Soundclick: http://www.soundclick.com
Website Music Player: http://www.websitemusicplayer.com

Musician Website Hosting
Bandzoogle: http://www.bandzoogle.com
Broadjam: http://www.broadjam.com
Hostbaby: http://hostbaby.com
Indie Kazoo: http://www.indiekazoo.com
Ultimate Band List: http://www.ubl.com

Performance Rights Organizations
ASCAP: http://www.ascap.com
Australian Recording Industry Assocation: http://www.aria.com.au
Australian Independent Records Labels AssociationL http://www.air.org.au
Australasian Performing Right Association: http://www.apra.com.au/
BMI: http://bmi.com
SESAC: http://www.sesac.com

Political Representation
Future of Music Coalition: http://www.futureofmusic.org
The American Federation of Musicians: http://www.afm.org

Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.)
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/books
Bandit A & R Newsletter: http://www.banditnewsletter.com
Cashbox Magazine: http://www.cashboxmagazine.com
Kohn on Music Licensing: http://www.kohnmusic.com
KVR Audio: http://www.kvraudio.com
Making Music Make Money by Eric Beall: http://tinyurl.com/2op6tt
Rhymezone: http://www.rhymezone.com/
Songwriter's Hall Of Fame: http://www.songwritershalloffame.org
Songwriter's Market: http://www.songwritersmarket.com

Public Networking Sites
FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com
LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com

Recording & Demo Services
ColabNation: http://www.collabnation.net
Session Players: http://www.sessionplayers.com
StudioTraxx: http://www.studiotraxx.com
Sub Studio Music: http://www.substudiomusic.com
The Recording Project: http://www.recordingproject.com
Voices123: http://www.voices123.com

Recording Software (recording, editing, production, etc.)
Adobe Auditon: http://www.adobe.com
Adobe Soundbooth: http://www.adobe.com/products/soundbooth
Apple Logic: http://www.apple.com/logicpro
Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net
Sony Creative Software: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com
Steinberg Cubase: http://www.steinberg.net
Digidesign Protools: http://www.digidesign.com
Peace Love Productions: http://www.peaceloveproductions.com
Real Studio Drums: http://www.realstudiodrums.com
Real World Records: http://www.realworldremixed.com
Smartsoft Audio Format Converter: http://www.smartaudioconverter.com
SSL: http://www.solid-state-logic.com

Search Engines
Ask http://www.ask.com
Google: http://www.google.com
Yahoo: http://www.yahoo.com



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#578405 - 01/23/08 02:01 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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smile didn't see your note, Michael...
You have much of what I have....but I have some additions....
will email you.

best,
Kaley

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#578444 - 01/23/08 05:35 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Kaley Willow]  
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
smile didn't see your note, Michael...
You have much of what I have....but I have some additions....
will email you.
best,
Kaley


Thanks Kaley!
Ok, I'll look for your email, but if possible please post any additional suggestions right here on this topic. If you know of any other volunteers (official or not), please encourage them to drop by here to view our list and then help fill in the "blanks" for any services or categories we may have missed or that need additional listings, etc.

As suggested above, I'm now asking folks to post up to 3 recommendations (per person) according to these...

Resource suggestion guidlines:
1. Check to make sure your suggestions are NOT already on our master list as shown above.

2. Suggest a product, service or organization that you've recently used and/or have had some positive or meaningful experience with; even if just by word-of-mouth or because you'd be very interested in using such service/tool as soon as you might need it.

3. Please be sure to include: suggested CATEGORY, official product or service TITLE and complete URL.

4. If possible, please include a brief discription (one or two sentences) of any positive experience or success with your suggested listing. Note: If you list more than one suggestion for the same category, please list in alphabetical order for easy copy & pasting, thanks! wink

5. Optional: If a listing is already included, please feel free to post a brief description of any positive info or experience you've already had with that resource.

Quality control:
If there are any products, services or tools currently listed which you believe are bad or negative (i.e. evil or scammy), please post your experience and reason for wanting us to consider removing such listing. Keep in mind that not all services/tools are alike and even the BEST services may not meet every artist's needs depending on their level of skills, focus or goals, etc.

Let's continue!
Please invite your fellow members and songwriter friends to drop by and review our list. I'd like to see many more JPF members (10 - 100+) stop by and suggest more services/tools to add to our list. I think we have a great start but this is NOT a "one-man show" or project. We're all in this together and Brian, Kaley and I need everyone's input so we can build the best possible resource list to help our community.

Thanks!
Michael


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#578453 - 01/23/08 06:27 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Michael,

Audiosparx has to come off the list. I find them to be both sleazy and unprofessional to the highest degree. Their idiotic and vicious attacks on me when I was helping Tammy went so far over the top that we could and would never endorse them and we'd always want to warn members to steer way clear of them.

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#578455 - 01/23/08 06:32 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Music instrument and supply retailers:
http://www.samash.com
http://www.zzounds.com/
http://www.sweetwater.com/
http://www.folkofthewood.com/ (a great acoustic, folk instrument retailer)
http://larkinthemorning.com/ (maybe the best internet store for folk and world instruments)

Education and information resources:
http://mixonline.com/ (online version of Mix magazine, pro audio engineer and producer info)
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/music/index.html (Columbia University Music and Arts Library online).
http://www.kvraudio.com/ (a news and information resource for digital recording plug ins)
http://www.soundonsound.com/ (online version of the music recording maagazine Sound on Sound)
http://homerecording.com/ (online resource for home recording)
http://homerecording.com/ (internet Bluegrass magazine and resource)
http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/music/resources/meta.html (Harvard Library list of online resources for music scholars)
http://www.library.yale.edu/musiclib/muslib.htm (The Irving S. Gilmore Music Library at Yale University)
http://www.christmas-carols.net/ (Santa's 50 favorite Christmas Carols)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp (Hey, it's Billboard)

Hope these help, good work, Mike and Kaley.

Mike




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#578456 - 01/23/08 06:33 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Michael,
Audiosparx has to come off the list. I find them to be both sleazy and unprofessional to the highest degree. Their idiotic and vicious attacks on me when I was helping Tammy went so far over the top that we could and would never endorse them and we'd always want to warn members to steer way clear of them.
Brian


Brian,
Ok, I understand. It's just been removed.
Let's hope that in the future they can fix or improve their public relations and perhaps we can consider giving them a another chance.

Michael


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#578458 - 01/23/08 06:36 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
Music instrument and supply retailers:
http://www.samash.com
http://www.zzounds.com/
http://www.sweetwater.com/
http://www.folkofthewood.com/ (a great acoustic, folk instrument retailer)
http://larkinthemorning.com/ (maybe the best internet store for folk and world instruments)

Education and information resources:
http://mixonline.com/ (online version of Mix magazine, pro audio engineer and producer info)
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/music/index.html (Columbia University Music and Arts Library online).
http://www.kvraudio.com/ (a news and information resource for digital recording plug ins)
http://www.soundonsound.com/ (online version of the music recording maagazine Sound on Sound)
http://homerecording.com/ (online resource for home recording)
http://homerecording.com/ (internet Bluegrass magazine and resource)
http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/music/resources/meta.html (Harvard Library list of online resources for music scholars)
http://www.library.yale.edu/musiclib/muslib.htm (The Irving S. Gilmore Music Library at Yale University)
http://www.christmas-carols.net/ (Santa's 50 favorite Christmas Carols)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp (Hey, it's Billboard)

Hope these help, good work, Mike and Kaley.

Mike


Thanks Mike!
I've heard of most of these and will start adding them to our master list.

Cheers!
Michael


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testing will be back in minute...

Here's some more....

BOOKING ASSISTANCE TOOLS
International College Bookings:
http://www.icbtalent.com/home.htm

MUSIC NEWS & PRESS

Music Dish: articles, interviews from music industry, practical tips for artists
http://musicdish.com

Music Industry News Network: Up to the minute industry music news and stories
http://www.mi2n.com

MISCELLANEOUS
Songwriters Hall Of Fame: A virtual museum of songwriting history; also showcases and workshops
http://www.songwritershalloffame.org

CD DISTRIBUTION:
(or maybe Misc?)
COMPO10: A comparison information site of 80 or more hosting and distribution sites.
http://compo10.com/MusicHosts.htm

The Orchard: digital distributor, promotor, marketer for Indie's
http://www.theorchard.com


*Under MUSIC ORGANIZATIONS, Unless someone knows something bad
about these folks, this looks good:

Songs Alive: 20 chapters worldwide, Australian based non-profit organization dedicated to nurturing and promoting songwriters and composers.
http://www.songsalive.org

Songwriters Association of Canada (SAC): Association committed to the development and recognition of Canadian composers, lyricists, and songwriters.
http://www.songwriters.ca/

MUSIC MARKETING:
The Musician's Atlas, Printed Version or On-line Resource
http://www.musiciansatlas.com

Music Marketing[Dot]Com: Specializes in internet and street promotion for Indies.
http://musicmarketing.com


Maybe?
Nashville Music Business Directory and Entertainment Guide:
A complete yellow-pages type telephone directory to the Nashville Music Industry.
http://www.nashvilleconnection.com



slow but sure... grin...y'all know about turtles.... grin
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That's a GREAT category to add Kaley.. thanks!

Brian


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#578465 - 01/23/08 06:54 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Kaley Willow]  
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow

Here's some more....

MUSIC NEWS & PRESS

Music Dish: articles, interviews from music industry, practical tips for artists
http://musicdish.com

Music Industry News Network: Up to the minute industry music news and stories
http://www.mi2n.com

MISCELLANEOUS
Songwriters Hall Of Fame: A virtual museum of songwriting history; also showcases and workshops
http://www.songwritershalloffame.org

CD DISTRIBUTION:
(or maybe Misc?)
COMPO10: A comparison information site of 80 or more hosting and distribution sites.
http://compo10.com/MusicHosts.htm

The Orchard: digital distributor, promotor, marketer for Indie's
http://www.theorchard.com

Will continue adding: smile



Wonderful Kaley!
Will start adding these right away!!

Attn: Everyone!
As of today, January 23, here's where we need some help to "populate" categories for which we don't have at least 5 entries yet:

Copyright Registration

[b]Digital Distribution

CD/DVD Manufactures


Independent A&R

Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast

Music Demo Services

Music Licensing Sites

Music Promotion Sites

Music Storage, Downloads and Sales

Political Representation

Public Networking Sites

Search Engines
[/b]Note: I'm not too concerned about search engines since there's only about 3 major ones that all the rest work off of, but if you have any that are geared specifically for helping music artists, bands, songwriters or music publishers, please post them.

Songwriter Association Networks



Thanks,
Michael


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#578488 - 01/23/08 07:52 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Glad to help....brainstorming a bit....

Just some thoughts......

Do we want anything like an Insurance Category. I know there's
several Insurance Companies that cater to Musicians?.....

what about the Grammy Organization....I believe that the organization itself is a lot more than the Awards....
(NARAS)

what about tipsheets?.....
and newsletters?....
Music Consultants?

How about...Audio-Visual Media Tip Sheets (hadn't heard of that one before....but they're out there...and they tell you who needs music...what they need and how to get to them.....
i.e.

http://www.mandy.com , then look under post production / composers

http://www.cuesheet.net
looking for composers

http://www.thescl.com (The Society of Composers and Lyricists)


This is fun.!!!....Needed a diversion from what I was working on .....

best y'all
Kaley

Piano Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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Brian..Thanks!!..glad it helps...

Michael...Up above 3 or 4 posts UP from here...I added some more.
Will do some more hunting on the specifics you were asking for..
but need to run....Will be back later.

best,
Kaley

Piano Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
Glad to help....brainstorming a bit....

Just some thoughts......

Do we want anything like an Insurance Category. I know there's
several Insurance Companies that cater to Musicians?.....

what about the Grammy Organization....I believe that the organization itself is a lot more than the Awards....
(NARAS)

what about tipsheets?.....
and newsletters?....
Music Consultants?

How about...Audio-Visual Media Tip Sheets (hadn't heard of that one before....but they're out there...and they tell you who needs music...what they need and how to get to them.....
i.e.

http://www.mandy.com , then look under post production / composers

http://www.cuesheet.net
looking for composers

http://www.thescl.com (The Society of Composers and Lyricists)


This is fun.!!!....Needed a diversion from what I was working on .....

best y'all
Kaley

Piano Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg


Kaley,
I just added some of your suggestions and here's some input on the rest:

Audio-Visual Media
- I'm not opposed, but let's get Brian's input first. He'll know best how this may (or may not) fit with his overall vision for this resource listing project.

Grammy Organization - Again, let's see what Brian has in mind. Perhaps it might conflict with the JPF song awards, but if not, perhaps Brian would like to list this under our current "Songwriter Association Networks" or other (appropriate) category.

Insurance Category - Sounds Ok to me. This might be useful to full-time or touring musicians. Let's see what Brian says.

Music Consultants - these can be listed under Music Marketing Resources.

Newsletters - these can be listed under the Miscellaneous (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) category.
Note: I justed added "newsletters" as an item that goes along with the Miscellaneous category.

Tipsheets - these can be listed under the Music Marketing Resources category.

Society of Composers and Lyricist - Thanks! This has just been added to the Songwriter Association Networks category.

Michael


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I want to make sure that we give attention to artist/musician stuff as much as songwriter stuff. There's tons of resources for songwriters and for finished recordings.. but what about artists trying to develop their career? I've always felt JPF did more to help artists than anyone else out there. Most orgs. are songwriter focused. Though we obviously do mostly songwriter stuff on the message boards, the rest of the org activities (newsletter, roadtrips, chapters, music awards) have an artist support tilt to them.

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#578569 - 01/24/08 12:31 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I want to make sure that we give attention to artist/musician stuff as much as songwriter stuff. There's tons of resources for songwriters and for finished recordings.. but what about artists trying to develop their career? I've always felt JPF did more to help artists than anyone else out there. Most orgs. are songwriter focused. Though we obviously do mostly songwriter stuff on the message boards, the rest of the org activities (newsletter, roadtrips, chapters, music awards) have an artist support tilt to them.
Brian


Yes, I see what you mean.
In other words we want to offer resources that will help career potential artists get into "1st gear" and beyond, all the way up to cruising speed! wink

Several of our categories already address these needs, such as:

Booking Assistance (Sonic Bids and other agencies)
Digital Distribution (e.g. IODA for indie record labels)
Independent A&R (i.e Taxi, etc.)
Music Demo Services (e.g. Session Players can help bring income opportunities to performers or help artists finish a new recording project, etc.)
Music Licensing Sites (Pump Audio, etc.)
Music Marketing Resources (Bob Baker, Indie Bible)
Music News & Press (can help artists get affordable publicity)
Music Promotion Sites (General artist/band promotion)
Musician Website Hosting (shop around for the best service deals)

I was thinking of suggesting an "indie friendly" Record Labels category. For example, Bad Man Records (label) is very indie friendly and does some networking with CD Baby and was recently featured on one of their podcasts.

A few of our JPF members are also signed with Magnatune which gives them tons of free exposure and licensing income opportunities.

Maybe we can come up with a good list of indie labels that are trustworthy and receptive towards new "career building" acts and talent.

Another good category might be Music Publishers. Again, these would have to be indie friendly or maybe just a list of resources that can help career-minded songwriters learn how to effectively publish their own music. Most start with only a few of their own songs and later grow by adding on new material from co-writers and other project contacts, etc.

So those are my new proposed categories with a "career tilt":
Record Labels and Music Publishers. Any other categories that might help the serious career-minded artists?

Michael


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Michael,

I just realized my comment read wrong. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't already musician resources listed, just that I want folks who are adding stuff to think about that stuff as well. For example, are there any sites out there who offer technology to do co-recordings? (i.e. multiple people adding tracks to the same song). I think there are.. but don't know the sites. (Tonos used to do that actually).

Also, Wikipedia is a good resource site. I use it daily to look stuff up. Has anyone used that WikiRyhmer site?

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Michael,

I just realized my comment read wrong. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't already musician resources listed, just that I want folks who are adding stuff to think about that stuff as well. For example, are there any sites out there who offer technology to do co-recordings? (i.e. multiple people adding tracks to the same song). I think there are.. but don't know the sites. (Tonos used to do that actually).

Also, Wikipedia is a good resource site. I use it daily to look stuff up. Has anyone used that WikiRyhmer site?

Brian


Brian,
I understand Studiotraxx.com offers something like an online co-recording collaboration tool, for web based recording projects.

Wikipedia is a helpful resource for many small or larger projects. In the last year I've used it several times to confirm some important bits of information and include some public domain images for some of my project.

BTW, I don't think I misunderstood what you were saying, but it made me realize that we need a good balance of resources for both the new songwriters as well as the more experienced career-track artists. Ideally we'll have a range of resources that will help everyone from the beginner to the most experienced.

Michael


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Brian,

Regarding co-writng/recording/collab sites, these 2 are not so bad....

http://www.recordingproject.com/index.php

and

http://www.collabnation.net/forums/ubbthreads.php

cheers, niteshift


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Here's a few more:

http://www.actra.ca/actra/control/main (Alliance of Canadian Cinema Television and Radio Artists) entertainment association, a lot of musicians join this and AFTRA when they work on radio and tv as "personalities" as well as musicians.

http://www.aimp.org/ (Association of Independant Music Publishers) music marketing

http://www.music44.com/ (the Sheet Music Store, sheet music, books, dvd's etc.)



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Thanks Niteshift & Mike!
Your suggestions have all been added except for "The Sheet Music Store".

Mike, can you explain how that works? Is it a place for artists to sell their sheet music? Do they work directly with indie artists or do artists need to go through a distributor or publisher to get their music into this store?

Also, which category would it best fit under? Were you thinking "Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers". I guess the keywords would be "supply retailers", but I want to know a bit more about this service. Have you used them to buy sheet music or mainly to sell your sheet music? Any insights or experience (past or present) will help.

Thanks,
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Here's some

Creative Musicians Coalition (CMC)
international organization dedicated to the advancement of Indies
http://www.aimcmc.com

Garageband.com: On-line music hosting site
http://www.garageband.com

Getsigned.com: A & R , Marketing, Record Deal Resource
http://www.getsigned.com

Government Liasison Services: Trademark research firm
http://www.trademarkinfo.com

When I was buying my digital I used this one:
Harmony Central:Online musicians community with in depth reviews of every conceivable type of instrument
http://www.harmony-central.com/

College Booking: On Line Gigs, by State and Individual College
http://www.onlinegigs.com/index.asp

I'll send these..and then double check to make sure they're not already on the list.

best...
Kaley

Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg




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Hey Michael,

The Sheet Music Store is a store that sells sheet music online. You can buy sheet music, books, like the Alfred books or the Hal Leonard books, they have choral music, instruction methods for instruments (like the Mel Bay method or the Suzuki Method), wedding music, band music, that kind of thing.


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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow

Creative Musicians Coalition (CMC)
international organization dedicated to the advancement of Indies
http://www.aimcmc.com

Garageband.com: On-line music hosting site
http://www.garageband.com

Getsigned.com: A & R , Marketing, Record Deal Resource
http://www.getsigned.com

Government Liasison Services: Trademark research firm
http://www.trademarkinfo.com

When I was buying my digital I used this one:
Harmony Central:Online musicians community with in depth reviews of every conceivable type of instrument
http://www.harmony-central.com/

College Booking: On Line Gigs, by State and Individual College
http://www.onlinegigs.com/index.asp


Kaley,
Ok, looks like some good new suggestions!
No need to send them to me, just them right here on this topic. I'll be adding recommended suggestions to our master list so this will be the most efficient way to post/publish the list were it goes "live" instantly and everyone can review it!

If you don't mind, please repost your suggestions in this format as follows:

Category = Music Storage, Downloads and Sales
Garageband.com: http://www.garageband.com

That way I'll know what your intended/recommended category is and I can simply "copy & paste" into the master list. grin

Thanks!
Michael


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Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
Hey Michael,
The Sheet Music Store is a store that sells sheet music online. You can buy sheet music, books, like the Alfred books or the Hal Leonard books, they have choral music, instruction methods for instruments (like the Mel Bay method or the Suzuki Method), wedding music, band music, that kind of thing.


Mike,
Ok, I see what you mean... it's a music sheets & supplies retail store. That might fit best in our "Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers" category, though it could also be cross-referenced in our "Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.)" category. I'll have to think about it, but most likely the "... Supply Retailers" category will be the best fit. Only problem is that there must be 1,000's of these kinds of retail stores and of course we can't list them all. crazy

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Sorry Michael...I'm not the world's strongest categorizer but I'll try harder from here on out smile I was thinking some of the above offerings overlapped. Sorry again smile Send meant I sent them to my computer.

Ok..I'm studying the categories for this first one ...(be back)
RecordingProject:
Site for recording enthusiasts.
http://www.recordingproject.com

MUSICIAN'S LEGAL RESOURCES: (i know there isn't one...but should there be a category like this?)
Kohn on Music Licensing: Copyright Law & Licensing Resource
http://www.kohnmusic.com/#conference

Musician's Intellectual Law & Resources
http://www.aracnet.com/~schornj/index.shtml

The Musicians Guide Through The Legal Jungle:
http://www.legaljungleguide.com/resource.htm

MISCELLANEOUS
Public Domain Music: public domain song lists, research resources, tips and FAQ
http://www.pdinfo.com

will 'post' smile smile these.....and be back in awhile.

best,
Kaley

Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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Kaley,
Ok, that's perfect! smile

Regarding the Legal Resources, maybe we can combine Copyrights with Legal like this: "Copyrights & Legal Assistance"
We can start with that and later tweak as needed.

I've just added them all.
Thanks!

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Or perhaps we should have a category for Entertainment Attorneys.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Or perhaps we should have a category for Entertainment Attorneys.


Ok, good idea Brian!

I just added Entertainment Attorneys as a category but I'll let you suggest the first few listings. I know you have some attorney friends (some active on this Mentor Forum) that will probably be happy to get listed! Please list a few to get us started and we'll go from there.

I also "tidied up" the alphabetical sorting of our category listings. I've been tweaking the headings and in the process some things got out of wack, so I'll fix things as we go.

If I missed anything, please let me know.
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Howdi,..... smile

I know this is more a songwriter category suggestion, but should we list those folks who help writers on an individual basis? i.e., Harriet Schock, John Braheny, Barbara Cloyd, Jason Blume?
and their web sites?

and...

Are we interested in listing demo studios at various price ranges?

best...
kk smile

Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
Howdi,..... smile
I know this is more a songwriter category suggestion, but should we list those folks who help writers on an individual basis? i.e., Harriet Schock, John Braheny, Barbara Cloyd, Jason Blume?
and their web sites?

and...

Are we interested in listing demo studios at various price ranges?


Kaley,
Some more good ideas, thanks!

"Songwriter Coaches" might work as a category title for individual (personalized) coaching. If Brian approves, I'm sure we could add this resource category.

Currently we have "Demo Services", but we could change it to "Demo Services & Studios" and see how long the list gets. Later we can cross reference details such as price ranges if needed.

What do you think Brian?
Thanks,
Michael


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I'll be back tomorrow evening...Michael..& Brian....and can put some time in on Sunday....

best....
Kaley...

Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg


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What about.....Musician Grants, Residencies, Retreats as a category?

and here's another for the legal category, if wanted.
Copyrights & Legal Resources: Volunteer Lawyers For The Arts
http://www.vlany.org/resources/index.php


Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) OR Independent A&R ( If wanted, not sure which category?):
The Bandit A & R Newsletter:
http://www.banditnewsletter.com/index.htm

What's been an eye opener for me in reseaching is how quickly
organizations, web sites, etc up and disappear. Truly, Brian
...a tip of the Hat to you...on longevity.

best....
Kaley

Melodies and Demos:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=music
Children Songs:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=music
Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg

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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
What about.....Musician Grants, Residencies, Retreats as a category?

and here's another for the legal category, if wanted.
Copyrights & Legal Resources: Volunteer Lawyers For The Arts
http://www.vlany.org/resources/index.php

Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) OR Independent A&R ( If wanted, not sure which category?):
The Bandit A & R Newsletter:
http://www.banditnewsletter.com/index.htm

What's been an eye opener for me in reseaching is how quickly
organizations, web sites, etc up and disappear. Truly, Brian
...a tip of the Hat to you...on longevity.

Thanks Kaley!
I couldn't resist "Volunteer Lawyers", so I added it even though I never heard of them before. I'm sure Brian won't mind, but he has the final "say" on all listings, so no worries.

Bandit A&R Newsletter came to my attention about a year ago from a fellow CD Baby artist (Andy Martin) living and touring heavily in Europe. I looked it over and it does sounds like a pretty solid resource. Their based in the UK, Editor - John Waterman, and have been serving the music industry for over 20 years.

Grants, residencies and retreats sound interesting. Here's my thoughts: Grants will be either private or publically funded, so it's up to each artist to check out the "program" and see what fits them best and what kind of "strings" if any are attached. Residencies might fit under the broader "Education" category and Retreats might be included together with Conventions, Seminars and "Road Rallies". I'm sure there's a ton of those around. wink

The best private "grant" (think investment) program I heard of is called Artist Share:
http://www.artistshare.com
Amazingly they developed a program that funds artist's new projects directly from their fans who 'invest' in various opportunities. The service takes only a 15% administration cut and otherwise is free to qaulifying artists. I'm pretty sure Brian has heard of this and I'm sure he'd be supportive of these kinds of private funding plans.

And yes, it's true that there's a very high turn-over rate among internet based businesses. Purely online products & services have to be phenominal to survive for very long against all the global competition on the net. So that's another thing to watch for... How long has a service been around and building a good reputation?

Then there's also some exceptions to the rule, such as when cool new services blossom up overnight like the college kids that started sites like amiestreet.com and PureVolume.com That reminds me, we should probably add Amie Street!
You can check it out here:
http://amiestreet.com/page/about
Here's what they say:
"...we price music right - all songs start free and rise in price the more they are purchased. Our dynamic prices allow fans to buy music without breaking the bank and they serve as a useful tool for finding great music.

We support our artists by giving them 70% of song sales and never taking ownership of their creative work. We want all artists on Amie Street to be successful and we believe that our unique marketplace will accomplish this goal to a degree never achieved before."

I heard last summer that one of the larger indie labels signed a deal with Amie Street to promote their whole catalog! I think this is an indication that they developed a viable marketplace concept.

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Could I suggest a structured approach that also assisted in the process of using the links possibly like the one below.
Sorry I did post this on another forum on jpfolks.

1. Build your team
1.1 Secure legal representative (Music or entertainment experience, Build rapport and ensure trust)
1.2 Secure accountant (Music or entertainment experience, Preferably local)

2. Document song including copyright notice.

3. Record song as professionally as your equipment will allow.

4. Engage in constructive criticism
4.1 http://www.jpfolks.com

5.Get it out there.
5.1 Seeking someone else to record and publish it.
5.1.1 http://www.TAXI.com
5.1.2 Local talent quests
5.1.3 Pound the pavement

5.2 Seeking someone to record you and publish it.
5.2.1 http://www.TAXI.com
5.2.2 Local talent quests
5.2.3 Engage publisist to help

5.3 Seeking to record yourself and publish through independant label.
5.3.1 indie
5.3.2 iTunes
5.3.3 etc...

6.Receive interest in the song
6.1 Receive copy of contract
6.2 Have legal representative check contract
6.3 Sign contract

7.Join royalty collection agency
7.1 BMI (US)
7.2 SESAC (US)
7.3 ASCAP (US)
7.4 APRA/AMCOS (Australia)

Cheers



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Hello Steve,
Thanks for your formatting suggestion. Something like this could possibly be done after we've completed and have our main category titles a bit more "set in stone". Eventually all this could be contained in an online database to make it easy and flexible to "access" in many different and dynamic ways.

We'd have to get a database expert (volunteer) to help us set it up, but I'm sure it could work very quickly and efficiently that way, especially for adding and editing all the entries.

Currently we want to populate our initial list with more content options.

Thanks again and welcome to JPF!
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Cool

I like where this is going and from my novice point of view I liked what you did in your 5.05pm post yesterday where you inserted a plain english description if the purpose of the site.

Speaking from my frustration, having a list of links is very helpful, having another writers/artists comments about it's usefullness is invaluable. I spent many hours on sites that were not helpful or I didn't understand their role in this business.

Maybe once the list is finished we could start discussions about the pros and cons of each of the links with comments from members who have used them and the results they witnessed.

Cheers


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Originally Posted by Steve Harris
Cool
Maybe once the list is finished we could start discussions about the pros and cons of each of the links with comments from members who have used them and the results they witnessed.


Steve,
Yes, I think that's were this could be heading. It will be a "living, breathing" resource to help artists at all levels (hobbiest to pro) decide which resources will be the most useful for them. It will be a powerful tool to help everyone along!

Best,
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Hi Folks,

Longevity is one key issue. I want to make sure that everyone understands that the links being compliled here are NOT being endorsed by us at this time. We're in the very first stage of a process that will first identify the leading options in various categories (or at least the ones we (meaning the team of volunteers) are most aware of) and then once we have a core of resources to start with, we'll next move on to learning about (or in some cases where others are familiar, getting myself up to speed) and then deciding if those folks are people we want to talk to about working together or in other cases that there's a need for a better solution that perhaps we can fill ourselves.

Getting back to longevity, I certainly think that is important, but not solely the reason to support or decline support to a given resource. Interestingly enough, to date, ALL of our current community partners have not only been around a long time, but they're also leading their fields in what they do. (CD Baby, TAXI, Disc Makers (with a nod to Oasis who are also great folks), Muses Muse, Song U and the Future of Music Coalition. We've been very fortunate to have chosen the right people to associate ourselves with to date. But we think the time might be right to open ourselves up to some new folks, some new models and services (because there's no longevity to be found in many new areas of services and resources) and because we want to expand the services and programs we can offer and since we're 100%, we need some partners who can offer financial support to help keep things like the music awards and roadtrips going and who in turn will benefit from our support and efforts to educate our members about who they are and what they do, especially in the case of a new service or model that can't rely on a long and trusted reputation to win folks over.

We already have one company in mind to bring into the fold which is doing something realitively new and seems to be low risk and big return in nature for the community. Hopefully when we move forward it will lead to some additional new partners. JPF has grown so large and demanding that it's clear we need the right partners to keep growing and to also improve the things we're already doing. So although we're not endorsing the lists of links and resources above, our hope is to pick 1 or 2 partners to work with going forward, OR, in lieu of that, we hope to form our own solution to the needs of our members in that area.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled compilation of resources.

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Steve,

An FYI, part of our new site redesign will already include step by step instructions on how to achieve a variety of tasks and reach a variety of goals. So you're on the track but a bit ahead of the engine still. We're pretty methodical and careful about this kind of stuff and right now we're just gathering info. But I appreciate your suggestion and you're certainly on the same page as we are in that respect.

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Brian,
I just added the Songwriter's Market: http://www.songwritersmarket.com
to the "Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.)" category.
I know you've been writing articles for them, so I'm sure it will be a quality resource for JPF to recommend.

Since our posts have grown (2 pages now), I'm wondering if we can move/continue our master list to a "pinned" area for easy access and viewing? For example, it could be posted at the top of the Mentor topics page or wherever. Then I can 'copy and paste' the list code over there when ready. What do you think?

Thanks,
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Re: Copyright.

You could add the "Canadian Song Depository" managed by the Songwriters Association of Canada. It's a way to register your songs and get a certificate of the same. You do have to be a member of SAC to use it. I find it a good way to register if I have only one or two songs to register at one time.

http://www.songwriters.ca/SRV30.php


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Originally Posted by Hummingbird
Re: Copyright.
You could add the "Canadian Song Depository" managed by the Songwriters Association of Canada. It's a way to register your songs and get a certificate of the same. You do have to be a member of SAC to use it. I find it a good way to register if I have only one or two songs to register at one time.
http://www.songwriters.ca/SRV30.php


Thanks Vikki!
Its been added. smile

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Hey Michael/Brian, it's shaping up real well. Here's a few more...

Australian Recording Industry Assocation http://www.aria.com.au/

Australian Independent Records Labels Association http://www.air.org.au/

Australasian Performing Right Association http://www.apra.com.au/

Composers Association of New Zealand http://www.canz.net.nz/

National Association of Composers, USA (NACUSA) http://www.music-usa.org/nacusa/

Asian Composers League http://asiancomposersleague.com/

Filmgravity - Global Community for Film Industry Professionals http://www.filmgravity.com

mi7 - Global Music Community http://www.mi7.com/start.asp ,with a store for direct retail sale ( Europe only ) http://www.mi7.com/store_start.asp

Rhymezone - rhymes, synonyms, definitions, and more for lyricists http://www.rhymezone.com/

Independent Artists Company - Internet Radio and Digital Distribution, Music Community http://iacmusic.com/

NAMM - The International Music Products Association http://www.namm.org/ ( awesome conventions for the latest in musical gear )

Cashbox Magazine http://www.cashboxmagazine.com/

Versus Media - Placing music in film http://www.versusmedia.com

MUSIC RECORDING/SOUND SOFTWARE

Adobe Auditon http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/

Sony Creative Software - http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com Free software and loops http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/freestuff.asp

Steinberg Cubase http://www.steinberg.net/

Digidesign Protools http://www.digidesign.com/

Apple Logic http://www.apple.com/logicpro/

Adobe Soundbooth http://www.adobe.com/products/soundbooth/

Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Smartsoft Audio ( format ) Converter http://www.smartaudioconverter.com/ MANY OTHERS AVAILABLE.

Real World Records - Free remix packs form the artists at RWR. http://www.realworldremixed.com/

Peace Love Productions - 20 free acidized WAV beat/trance loops every month http://www.peaceloveproductions.com/freeloops.html


There's a lot of music ( and hence money ) in advertising, so....

American Association of Advertising Agencies http://www.aaaa.org/

UK Advertising Association http://www.adassoc.org.uk/

International Advertising Association http://www.iaaglobal.org/

more to edit in later.....

cheers, niteshift


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Michael, keep updating the main section on this post and then I will update the overall pinned post at the top of the forum. Just let me know when we need to update it. (Not for every little change.. just after there's been significant updates).

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Hey Brian,

Do you think that every setion should have a simple "do this or don't do this " reponse ( before listing ) ? Most listed are trusted industry resorcoues, but I think the problem lies on the differentiaton between "certified" industry and "could be dodgy".

Difficult.....


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Niteshift,
Thanks, all good stuff!

I added everything except the general advertising associations. If we list those we'll have to start listing every ad agency in town as well. I think we want to stay focused on resources that specialize in Music Industry products and services, whereas general services like ad agencies and online ad services (e.g. Google Ads) are not music industry specific enough.

Same goes for web hosting services. For example, you could use Godaddy.com to save money on your web site hosting, but they won't "cater" directly to your needs as an artist or band, though they might be helpful. There would too many of those to list, so I suggest we stay focused on "core" music industry oriented services.

In any case, I added all your other suggestions and went as far as rearranging some of our categories to now include: Composer & Songwriter Associations, Performance Rights Organizations and Recording Software.

Previously we had "Songwriters Associations" but have added the keyword "Composers" to include all varieties of music and songwriting (with lyrics) composers.

Best regards,
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Hi Michael there was a thread I posted a while back called useful freebie programs. Folk posted quite a few comments and suggestions as to what software and programs to use. Maybe worth taking a look if you have a minute. I'm sure some should be added to your list.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Michael, keep updating the main section on this post and then I will update the overall pinned post at the top of the forum. Just let me know when we need to update it. (Not for every little change.. just after there's been significant updates).
Thanks,
Brian

Ok Brian, here's the update:
Currently we have 25 primary categories running from "Booking Assistance" down to "Search Engines" with a total of about 150 listings entered.

In the last week I've been able to do quit a bit of "fine tuning" to clarify each unique category. A week ago we had about 21 categories, but since then we've added several more to accomodate some potentially helpful and relevant resources. In the process a few things got "shuffled" around, but I like the way it's taking shape. Any input or specific suggestions will always be helpful!

If you like, you can update this overall post sometime tommorow, which will be February 1st. From then on you can choose to update either weekly or monthly as needed. The main thing is that we SAVE our master list because we've got a lot of input, thought and hours into it so far, so we'd hate to lose anything. I suggest both of us copy and back up the list [source code] from time to time. That way we are double backed-up and double safe in case anything happens. I'm creating a "fresh" backup copy today!

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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Hi Michael there was a thread I posted a while back called useful freebie programs. Folk posted quite a few comments and suggestions as to what software and programs to use. Maybe worth taking a look if you have a minute. I'm sure some should be added to your list.

Hello Big Jim!
Ok, sounds like it could fit with our current "Recording Software (recording, editing, production, etc.)" category. If you would, please review the best suggestions from that post and list them here. You know where the post is (I don't) and you're already familiar with the discussions, so I'll ask that you to bring back a summary and post your recommendations here. cool

If we get a lot of software that's outside of the "recording, editing and production" scope, we could try adding a more general software category, for example: "Musician's Software" or "Software Resources for Musicians" or something like that.

Thanks for offering any assistance!
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Well.. this is still stage 1. Stage 2 will be sending teams of volunteers to check out the web and the sites themselves and come up with plusses and minuses. Since in a majority of the cases here, we don't have official lines of dialog or proven histories with many of these folks so we should collective look into each. We want to be able to recommend these resources to newbies and veterans alike and know we aren't sending them down the wrong path as best we can (obviously it's impossible to know 100% how a company will turn out, but we should make a sincere effort to check them out BEFORE partnering with or endorsing them). In addition, if we find that no companies really do it "right" or good enough for our tastes, we'll put thought into whether or not we could do that task on behalf of our members directly. We have some tech partners who are open to good ideas and business models and love the work we are doing. If we can't partner with someone great, then maybe we can do it ourselves and cut out the middle company and help fund JPF's free programs at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney

...if we find that no companies really do it "right" or good enough for our tastes, we'll put thought into whether or not we could do that task on behalf of our members directly. We have some tech partners who are open to good ideas and business models and love the work we are doing. If we can't partner with someone great, then maybe we can do it ourselves and cut out the middle company and help fund JPF's free programs at the same time.
Brian

Brian,
I think that would be an excellent idea, even if you end up using an smaller (edited) list or not. In other words, I bet you can find a good "mix" of both, so that a general list can be posted "courtesy" of JPF while a more specific service (or group of services) can be offered directly through JPF!

It would really make sense if you can work with a few willing "tech partners" with the right kind of business models.

From a entrepreneurial perspective, in the end it really comes down to developing the right "business model" to fit the right service and marketing needs. This is a priority that should lead any technical or even financial considerations. Having the right biz plan usually wins the day. smile

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Hey Brian/Michael,

Quite agree. Perhaps we could put up a list, and next to the sites which we know are pretty solid put an asterix ( *) along the lines of "JPF endorsed".

Good marketing, and good partnering do no-one any harm and can be of financial benefit to everyone overall. I don't know your busines model, so won't comment further.

Michael - the reason I have all these links, is that I had to go out there and find them myself, about a year or so ago. It took literally months to find what I was looking for, so if we can gather all that information together, and present it in an easy to use format, it would be a great gift to the songwriting community in general.

Top work guys !

cheers, niteshift

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Might be beneficial to list resources to help folks navigate the major music hub activities if they are planning a visit there. This is Barbara Cloyd's synopsis of open mic venues in Nashville...

http://www.barbaracloyd.com/writersnight.htm

just happened to pop in on this thread, awesome work that's been going on here...Moker

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Originally Posted by Moker Jarrett
Might be beneficial to list resources to help folks navigate the major music hub activities if they are planning a visit there. This is Barbara Cloyd's synopsis of open mic venues in Nashville...
http://www.barbaracloyd.com/writersnight.htm
just happened to pop in on this thread, awesome work that's been going on here...Moker

Moker,
Ok, good one!
Maybe we can add a new category like: "Showcase Events"
This could include industry conventions, open mics, road rallys, festivals and similar "showcase" opportunities, etc.
What do you guys think?

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Would it be possible to add McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica , CA?

http://www.mccabes.com

They are:

--The best place in LA to buy acoustic instruments, especially guitars - the biggest selection, too!
-- The best in customer service - Their employees really know
what they are selling
-- The best repair shop
-- a historic performance venue - everyone you have ever heard of has performed there smile

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Emily,
Thanks, MacCabe's Guitar Shop has been added under the "Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers" category. If this list gets much bigger, we'll have to sub-list all these shops by Country, State and major city, etc. I'm sure there must be 1,000's of these shops around the U.S. alone. My, my... what are we going to do with them all!? grin

On the other hand, we can also try creating two lists; one for strictly online (internet-based) services and another for "brick & mortar" (physical) services. But a lot of companies these days will cross-over by having both a physical and digital (online) presence. I think the "bounderies" are blurring as the internet gets more popular.

Thanks for any other suggestions!
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Thanks so much, Michael. I suggested McCabe's because it is not at all like most music stores. It has incredible history and integrity, as well as the best guitar acoustic selection I've seen, and it is a well known performance venue. I personally think it is quite rare these days to have the type od customer service that you see at McCabe's!
I wouldn't suggest just any music store smile

Great work on this!

Emily

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#582093 - 02/03/08 01:25 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Hello

Don't forget to include my demo/music services. Longevity and contribution is very important. I will be having a new site design very soon as well.

www.substudiomusic.com


Thanks!
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#582105 - 02/03/08 02:21 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
Hello
Don't forget to include my demo/music services. Longevity and contribution is very important. I will be having a new site design very soon as well.
www.substudiomusic.com


No problem, got ya covered Sub! cool

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#582482 - 02/04/08 04:15 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Brian and Michael... Because of folks Like Sub and Mike D...,
I wondered if we should include demo
studios.....at various price ranges, knowing that not every
one can afford a higher priced studio? Gator Hole also comes to mind.

best...
Kaley....

Melodies and Demos:
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Children Songs:
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Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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#582503 - 02/04/08 05:09 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Kaley Willow]  
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
Brian and Michael... Because of folks Like Sub and Mike D...,
I wondered if we should include demo
studios.....at various price ranges, knowing that not every
one can afford a higher priced studio? Gator Hole also comes to mind.
best...
Kaley....

Kaley,
Ok, might work, but it would only make sense to sub-divide by price range if we had a fairly large (or growing) quantity of listings with a built-in search & sort mechanism.

For example, if we only have 2 or 3 listings, there's not enough data to bother sorting from lowest to highest price range, but if we have dozens or hundreds of listings, a "search & sort" system would be the best way to go.

Ideally the listings would be contained in an online database with an admin. control panel to add, edit and/or delete the various listing entries. On the "front end" it will be easy for buyers/musicians to search and sort the listings. For example, they can search by country, state, city, zip code and also search/sort by service price range.

I don't have the knowlege (yet) to set this up, but it would probably involve some PHP with MySQL database. Once set up it would be fairly easy for one of us (Brian or volunteer) to administer and maintain.

Michael


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#582606 - 02/04/08 09:13 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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I think it's simple.

Inexpensive
Moderately Expensive
Expensive

You list the attributes of what you get for the money. A price range (it's sort of a "Good, Better, Best" type of thing) and then list a couple trusted resources for each. But I'd also like to go a step farther. If we're going to send these studio's business, we should either get a piece of that action or some other "in kind" payback. I think that's only fair. In the end, I want to create similar relationships in each category. It's not that we're only looking for money, but I think we should have mutually beneficial relationships and it's about time we had some funding to really upgrade what we can offer to our members. If someone wants to profit from the community, they should give back in some tangible way as well. That's what our community partners all do now.

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#582625 - 02/04/08 09:51 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Yea Brian, I think that'd be great!
The more of these community "partner" connections you have, the better for everyone! Ultimately it brings more choices for all of us artists while also "spreading" the costs of running this huge organization among a number of cool service providers. Rather than depending on only three major sponsors, you could have potentially dozens "bread & butter" sponsors, thereby keeping the cost down to something very reasonable like "x" amount per month or year for the basic program.

Obviously not every business out there will spend $200 per month on every program that comes along, but maybe they can afford that much per year for a highly visible and effective program such as you could provide them here on JPF. That could work out to less than $20/month (or whatever...) which should attract a lot of interested business services.

Regarding the recording studio price ranges, you could show from 1 to 3 dollar signs which designate something like this:

Price range legend:
$ = Basic concept demos for a quick start. Prices will range up to $200 per project.

$$ = Standard demos for affordable "radio ready" results. Perfect for backups or pitching your better material. Prices will range from $200 up to $600 per project depending on your needs.

$$$ = Delux demos and productions, when you need to go first class. Perfect for "high-profile" pitching, CD cuts and commercial level licensing and broadcast material. Prices will range from about $600 - $999 per project depending on your exact needs.

My price ranges are only suggested, so of course you/we can "tweak" them to reflect actual current market pricing. I hope this makes it clear to buyers and sellers while also keeping it simple! smile

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#582626 - 02/04/08 09:55 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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I think the prices are too low. More likely $200 and under for inexpensive. 600 and under for moderately expensive. And over 600 dollars for very expensive. I'd never suggest anyone spend over $1000 dollars for a demo or even a finished master these days. There's just too many less expensive options. The exception would be if you wanted a large number of live musicians, then the prices obviously could go up. (like an orchestra etc.)

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#582631 - 02/04/08 10:01 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I think the prices are too low. More likely $200 and under for inexpensive. 600 and under for moderately expensive. And over 600 dollars for very expensive. I'd never suggest anyone spend over $1000 dollars for a demo or even a finished master these days. There's just too many less expensive options. The exception would be if you wanted a large number of live musicians, then the prices obviously could go up. (like an orchestra etc.)
Brian


Ok Brian, I adjusted it and reposted using your suggested pricing range.
Anyway, it was just the idea of using the little "$" signs!

Michael
P.S.
$$$$ = Record with the London symphony orchestra and/or high profile (famous) band, director or conductor of your choice! grin


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#582701 - 02/04/08 11:56 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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Actually you can hire some major famous names on Sessionplayers.. and that would definitely cost $$$$. = )


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Also, keep in mind that we haven't really vetted out many studios. I am familiar with Sessionplayers and Waymo and of course Mike and Mike. But I have no knowledge of anyone else, the quality of their work or the fairness of their prices.

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#582721 - 02/05/08 12:27 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Yeah, funny about the 4 big $$$$ signs!
And I know what you mean about needing to properly "vet out" these resource opportunities. I can usually tell alot about a company by looking at their basic biz plan, what they're offering, how much they charge and how they are conducting their business.

I think they'll be some great opportunties when all the right "winning combinations" come to play. Can't lose if it's a "win win" for everyone. smile

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#582856 - 02/05/08 05:27 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I think the prices are too low. More likely $200 and under for inexpensive. 600 and under for moderately expensive. And over 600 dollars for very expensive. I'd never suggest anyone spend over $1000 dollars for a demo or even a finished master these days. There's just too many less expensive options. The exception would be if you wanted a large number of live musicians, then the prices obviously could go up. (like an orchestra etc.)

Brian


Brian,
This is VERY accurate and makes complete sense for online work, perfect..

Michael,
Glad you see having hundreds or thousands of listings for choices is a bad idea. One reason is endorsement. The more you open up the more crap you let fly in, the more nonsense you have. Stand behind a few places with complete confidence and thorough knowledge mixed with experience. Then little by little your list can grow.

When people start complaining about the services we list here AND THEY WILL that's life, think about people in stores... could you imagine trying to defend or stand behind hundreds or thousands of sites we came across and endorsed.

You want to be able to be relaxed and assured whatever problem anyone has it is 99% guaranteed to be fixed and resolved, and know that it was not the fault of the Service probably just a customer who could not be satisfied even if George Martin produced there song smile
You do not want bad experiences to reflect upon your organization. Basically we should know all the worms in the can that we've opened. lol This being the more non industry lesser known ones of course.
.....................................................................................

When the times right I would be happy & without bias to check out other demo/music services for JPF. They fly through our boards year after year and I have checked them all out. Decent deals or Schemes, or whatever, they can't fool this New Yorker lol..
I know how it works inside out sideways and backwards. Mike D knows as well.
Of all the services recording is one of the touchiest and troublesome. Only song plugging and legal services to the industry would be worse.

I know you guys know I try to give all I can here on the boards by helping it's members in many ways, if I get my health back even half way to normal I will build up work again, this time enough to make a fair deal and monetary contributions to the JPF on s regular basis.
Any place that makes business from here should do something for the organization
in any way they can. If it's less personal efforts than it should be more financial efforts or both.

Again unbiassed, If I was only here to make money I would have been gone a long long time ago. I know it sounds really sappy but I care about so many people here and I won't allow anyone to hurt them. smile

I'll let you guys get back to it, dont mind me I'm like 80% pure emotion! smile

Great work you guys! thanks for all you're doing.


Thanks!
Peace Mike
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#583153 - 02/05/08 09:35 PM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Yep, would have to agree. Endorsing a product is relatively easy. Endorsing a service can be a nightmare. There are many whose expectations and lack of knowledge on the subject could lead to major headaches. Same with endorsing vocalists, it's really a matter of personal preference. I'd have a real good think about this one before proceeding further.

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Hello Everybody,
My name name is Phil Dalmolin from San Antonio Texas, Iíve been playing drums for over 30 years and with some of the top names in country music.
Johnny Bush, Fiddliní Frenchie Burke, Barbara Fairchild,
Adolph Hofner and the Pearl Wranglers, Bobby Flores,
Clay Blaker and The Dixie Chicks to name a few.

I get many calls from frustrated songwriters in their own home studios
who canít get loops or programmed drums to sound right or even come
close on traditional blues or country music (even most rock). Thatís because
heart and soul canít be imported into your living music tracks like
so much data. Blazing hot machine chops and nifty cool beat patterns
written and programmed with the intentions of selling drum machines are not
what makes your song great. Real drums that are played by a musician and support the music in your song is what's needed.
If you produce your own music in your own home studio, go check out my website.

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Happy recording!

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Hey Michael,

In regard to the $$$$ standard, it's my understanding that the Sydney Symphony Orchestra is available for hire, basic cost $10,000 per day plus extras.

Do you think we should list them ? I'm sure we could have a whip around for the next big project that comes up.

cheers, niteshift


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Originally Posted by RealStudioDrums.com
Hello Everybody,
My name name is Phil Dalmolin from San Antonio Texas, I've been playing drums for over 30 years and with some of the top names in country music.

Real drums that are played by a musician and support the music in your song is what's needed. If you produce your own music in your own home studio, go check out my website.
RealStudioDrums.com
Happy recording!

Hello Phil,
Ok, your service has been added. Thanks for dropping in and posting a "straight forward" message about your service. Maybe on your next post you can give us a quick intro about your price range (or packages, etc.) and what your normal procedure and turn-around time is.

Please keep in mind that though you've been added to our list, it is only a temporary "work sheet" to gather a variety of considered listings. Later we'll have a team of JPF folks (founder, researchers & volunteers) decide on the most appropriate and reputable services to work with. Meanwhile, thanks again for your interest and participation on these boards and perhaps with the nearest JPF chapter in your area.

Michael


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Originally Posted by niteshift
Hey Michael,
In regard to the $$$$ standard, it's my understanding that the Sydney Symphony Orchestra is available for hire, basic cost $10,000 per day plus extras.

Do you think we should list them? I'm sure we could have a whip around for the next big project that comes up.
cheers, niteshift

Yo Geoff!
$10,000 per day is one thing, but the real quesiton is, "how many days will a typical recording take"? wink

So, are you serious about adding the "SSO" to our list?
Is this resource for "plain folks" or more for the "rich & famous"? grin

I'm starting to wonder how L O N G this list could get if we try to include every major city and town band and symphony orchestra that wants to offer their recording services. It could be done, but might require a special format which should probably be managed from an online database. (IMHO)

Nothing added yet, just thinking about our options.
Michael


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Hey Michael,

No, just kidding you on the listing front mate. That's the real deal from what I understand. Man, you can see why those film dudes rack up masive bills in their production. And of course, that's not including the sound stage, and.......catering.

Just wanted to provide a comparable example of what things actually cost. I would stick to the reasonable, and the expected, but it's not so bad to have an idea on the high side of town also, it just helps to put it all in perspective.

Good work here Michael.

cheers, niteshift

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Hey Michael,
No, just kidding you on the listing front mate.
Good work here Michael.
cheers, niteshift

Ok, that's what I thought... fair game though, ha ha!
Thanks for keeping me "on my toes"! :/

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Hello everyone!
The last week has involved lots of excitement with the new JPF / OurStage community partnership. After things settle down a bit, maybe we can continue here with adding some more services & tools resources. So far we've got about 150 listed, so it will get harder to make new suggestions that are both good (reputable) and are not already listed.

Here's some categories that could use some help with new listing suggestions:

CD/DVD Manufactures
We have 4 listed. Any others?

Digital Distribution
We have 4 listed; does that cover it?

Entertainment Attorneys
Not even one suggestion yet, so I'll suggest this one:
Don Passman - http://www.donpassman.com
I've read his book and I know he has his own law practice, but right now I can't find his main home-page for that. Please post if you find it or others you might recommend.

Independent A&R
We only have two listed. Any other suggestions?

Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast
We've got only 3 listed; any more?

Let's try to focus on these for a while since they have the least listings (so far) compared to all other categories.

Thanks!
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Under Entertainment Attorneys: Several years ago...I offered up a blurb about the Dickinson School of Law.....now called...

Penn State The Dickinson School of Law...

They still offer FREE Entertainment Law Counseling.

here is the link...if you and Brian feel it's a worthy addition.

sincerely,
kk

http://www.dsl.psu.edu/clinic/artsports.cfm

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Free is always good. = )


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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
Under Entertainment Attorneys: Several years ago...I offered up a blurb about the Dickinson School of Law.....now called...
Penn State The Dickinson School of Law...
They still offer FREE Entertainment Law Counseling.
here is the link...if you and Brian feel it's a worthy addition.
sincerely,kk
http://www.dsl.psu.edu/clinic/artsports.cfm

Thanks Kaley, been added!
At the very least, it might give artists some "clues" about what they need (or don't need), and then if more work is involved which the school doesn't cover, I'm sure they'll get some useful referrals.

Because it's free, I'm thinking their practice may be limited due to time and budget constraints, and most attorneys who volunteer their time like this probably hope to "earn" some referrals for larger, more involved projects. All around, nice resource!

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Hey,
What about http://www.onlinedrumrecording.com? My custom drum tracks service!

Cheers,
Don

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Don,

Stick around, get involved in the community, have some folks use your services and post what they think and we'll be happy to consider it in the resources.

Welcome to the group,

Brian


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Stevens119 posted this great link this morning over on Songwriter's Forum.... Is it something we'd like to include?

Publisher's
http://www.mpa.org/directories/music_publishers/

best...
Kaley

Melodies and Demos:
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Children Songs:
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Wyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD
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Originally Posted by Kaley Willow
Stevens119 posted this great link this morning over on Songwriter's Forum.... Is it something we'd like to include?
Publisher's
http://www.mpa.org/directories/music_publishers/

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Hi Kaley!
Yes, I'm aware of this one and I think it's a good one!
They've been around since 1895, that's over 112 years!

I think this would be a great resource for at least several reasons:
1. For songwriters what want to check out various publishers in the process of trying to place or "shop" their music.
2. For musicians (vocalists or instrumentalists) that need publisher's contact info for licensing and usage clearance, etc.
3. For indie publishers that may consider joining the MPA and getting their publishing company listed their, not to mention the various specialized resources the MPA may offer it's member publishers.

It should probably go under Music Organizations, since it's an "association" and might also have a non-profit status.

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#590084 - 02/26/08 12:27 AM Re: Types of Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools [Re: Michael Borges (D)]  
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I got this email today from RadioIndy.com
Here's their pitch:
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Date: 2/25/2008
Dear Michael Borges,

We recently checked out your new CDBaby release Overflowing Cup. Now that it is available online, let RadioIndy help you promote it, with the following new release promotion special:
- Get plays and featured on Radioindy.com (over 1 million page views/month);
- Get a review of your CD published to the following sites as your music becomes available: CDBaby, MySpace, Blogger, RadioIndy; Rhapsody, YahooMusic, PayPlay, Jambase, and Squidoo;
- Get your CD review in our monthly e-newsletters:
1000 different registered listeners every month;
100 different radio stations every month; and
100 different industry executives every month

- Get a press release about your new CD published
- Get featured on our appropriate local page
- Get additional onging benefts as a Super-Featured Artist, giving you maximum promotion / exposure on our site and radio stations.

All this for only $49.95 (limited time offer) for 3 months of promotion, and a 30-day money-back guarantee.

For more information on this outstanding opportunity, simply click here. (http://www.radioindy.com/cd_newrelease.html)

Whatever you decide, best of luck with your new CD.
Sincerely,

Manny and Greg
Co-founders, RadioIndy.com
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I don't know anything about them, but maybe they've posted a few times on the CD Baby "talk back" news forum. Please ask around and let me know what you guys think. Any experience with them, good or bad, will be helpful before we add this resource to our list under Music Promotion Sites.

Thanks everyone!
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Hi folks, could I suggest for your radio and streaming sites

http://songplanet.com/


They are also a hosting site with reasonable rates. They have some live DJ shows and a chat room associated with the radio. If you go in the chat and support their shows, they are only to happy to play your music. Has to be hosted on their site.

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Since when did CD Baby run reviews? I don't understand what they are claiming there?

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Since when did CD Baby run reviews? I don't understand what they are claiming there?
Brian

Brian,
Good question. I've never heard of this outfit before. It seems like they "discover" new artists at CD Baby and then send them this promo pitch. Evidently they write "reviews" of artist's CDs to place on their own sales pages and maybe also in RadioIndie's newsletter. I imagine the letter is also supposed to go out to the "industry", but I'm not sure who they solicit or what their reach is.

Since most JPF artists have been on CD Baby for a while (most longer than myself), I thought I'd ask everyone if they know about this service and if they've ever tried it.

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So if you pay them, they'll write a review? That's a pretty worthless review then. Gosh.. do you think they give people negative reviews who are paying them?

So do they add the "review" to the bottom of the CD Baby pages? Again.. that would be misleading at best to other customers to have a paid review posted there.

Perhaps it's something different, but the email is so vague, that's how I interpret it.

Oh.. and by the way.. Indy is the short for Indianapolis. Indie is the short for independent music. They know that right?

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Yes, I see the problem. It's basically like paying them to write your own "press release", but with a built-in CD review. (?) Not sure how that would work.

I know Derek does stand behind Ariel Hyatt of
http://www.arielpublicity.com
Probably they would do a much better job, especially since Derek is promoting them in his customer service emails to me.

He also lists these other indie marketing services:
http://www.indiebible.com
http://www.indievenuebible.com
http://newmusicstrategies.com
http://newmusicideas.com
as helpful resources for musicians.

We already have IndieBible listed, but Ariel and "NewMusic..." are new to me, so we'll have to do some research,
but if CD Baby is endorsing them, I'm sure they'll be some great resources!

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Today I was checking into UBL (Ultimate Band List) at
http://www.ubl.com
Strange that no one has mentioned it yet, or maybe I missed it, so I added to our list under "Musician Web Hosting" for further consideration. They claim to have about 500,000 artists on their site.
Basically they offer 3 plans, Free, Gold and Platinum.

Here's some links to learn more:
http://www.ubl.com/nrp/content/join.php
http://www.ubl.com/nrp/content/info.php
Their Platinum plan:
http://www.ubl.com/nrp/content/platinum.php

The Platinum plan is pretty much the "full deal" which includes
* Web Domain Hosting (www.yourband.com)
* Upload Unlimited .MP3s
* Upload Unlimited Photos
for $20.83/month for the one year plan. They also allow you to sell digital downloads and physical products, so it appears that your ecommerce store is completely built in.

Personally I've never tried or used it, but I'm wondering if any JPF members have ever used it and how much they like it, etc. Please post if you've heard of this service or if you or any of your friends have ever subsribed to it or have any other reports about it.

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I am very skeptical of that type of claim from a site I've never heard of before. You'd think in 10 years it would have come up once or twice.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I am very skeptical of that type of claim from a site I've never heard of before. You'd think in 10 years it would have come up once or twice.

Brian,
Yes, good point. I hadn't heard anything about them before either, but it came up today while (coincidentally) reading up about another company, Media Defender, which developed some interesting "Internet Piracy Prevention" technology. This has nothing to do with DRM but more about a legal "spoofing" method to prevent P2P abuse of copyrighted material. You can learn more about Media Defender from this link:
http://www.mediadefender.com/aboutUs.html

About half way down the page I found this reference:
"In 2006, MediaDefender was acquired by ARTISTdirect (ARTD). MediaDefender P2P Marketing Solutions are just one of the many projects that has come out of the acquisition."

So I looked up ArtistDirect.com to learn more about it. They seem to be well funded having started back in 1994, but more recently (in 2005) re-launched an indie artist version which they call Ultimate Band List (UBL.com), but evidently that has also been around (in one form or another) since 1994.

On their "About" page:
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/misc/aboutus/0,,,00.html
their first statement says:
"ARTISTdirect, Inc. is a digital media entertainment company that is home to an online music network and through its acquisition of MediaDefender, is a leader in anti-piracy solutions in the Internet piracy protection industry."

I read somewhere else on a blog that their purchase of MediaDefender (in 2006) cost them about $42 million.

On the same "About" page they publicly claim:
43 million Uniques (users) and 613 million page views per month (Media Metrix, worldwide numbers, April 2006)
and an online database of more than 500,000 artists.

That's all I could find in one short afternoon. wink
So I was curious if any JPF members have ever dealt with ArtistDirect or had any positive (or negative) experience with them.

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I am guessing that it's a cumulative number of various incarnations of Artistdirect and I'd bet that a large chunk of those numbers aren't even valid and the artists included aren't even aware they are on the site. I see defunct Artists direct pages coming up in searches all the time for folks and the pages are rarely if ever current. It's the same thing Garageband did when it changed hands.. most people in their artist counts aren't aware they're even on the site which they signed up for many years ago and haven't visited in ages.

Artist direct hasn't ever done a positive thing for the grassroots community that I am aware of. They can make all the claims they want. If you have that much money you'd think they'd be a little more present in the day to day lives with the community. Compare that to CD Baby with less than a fraction of their claimed members. Everyone knows them and most are directly connected to someone who has benefited from them. Hardly applies to ubl.. it's all smoke and mirrors in my opinion.

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Brian,
Yes, that makes sense and I think you're right!

Regarding the stats, at best they are cumulative over many years and probably only a small percentage of arists are still there and active. Possibly a large percentage is using the Free account which allows uploading of up to 4 songs (max.), which is very little compared to most other sites these days including SoundClick and PureVolume, etc.

I noticed that since about the end of 2006 PureVolume and ArtistDirect have an almost equal Alexa ranking.
PureVolme - 2,982
ArtistDirect - 3,880
To put that in perspective, that's slightly ahead of CD Baby which is currently - 8,836

My assesment is that ArtistDirect is getting some huge traffic but mostly from major label artist FANS that are visiting the site to get info about their favorite (major label) artists. This site is after a completely different target market (focus) compared to sites that are geared 100% for indie artists and bands which have nearly Zero presence of any major label artits.

Thanks, just my 2 cents.
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Hey Michael,

When compiling lists, we sometimes overlook the blooming obvious. Was looking at a couple of really great VST plug-ins from SSL. I know most folks here probably couln't afford their gear, but they do do some chopped down stuff for the home recording market.....

http://www.solid-state-logic.com/

Freebies are ...

http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/LMC-1/index.asp Classic LMC compressor, and...

http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/X-ISM/index.asp Adigital peak limiter for mastering.

Both require registration, but worth it for a couple of classic sounding VST's.

Also, Mix Magazine http://mixonline.com/ , always a good read.

cheers, niteshift

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Geoff,
Thanks for the suggestion!
I also found some more info about VST on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Studio_Technology

VST means "Virtual Studio Technology". Of course not everyone knows (or remembers) that, except maybe those that already have it. It would go under this category:
Recording Software (recording, editing, production, etc.)

Currently we have 11 equipment companies listed in this category, so I don't know when "enough" will be enough. The list could go and on so how do we determine where to draw the line and stop?
Perhaps only the top 10 or 20 in the world? And who decides which these "top 20" will be? I'm sure most of them have comparable products and most of that kind of equipment can also be found on our category for:
Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers

Most retail shops like Guitar Center and Sam Ash now carry these kinds of items and can also get them on special order if they don't keep them in stock. More importantly, they usually offer purchase and installation advice as well as demos for artists to test and preview at the store, so that would be a good place for novices to get started. smile

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Ahemmm... Michael, 'twould be akin to compiling a list of car manufacturers and not including Rolls Royce. smile I think it's better to go straight to the source, than the resellers, who may have a dubious track record. SSL doesn't have comparable products, it has the products which have dominated the recording industry for the past 30 years.

Good article on VST, I think that should definitly be included, as it's the standard form of digital music production these days

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Ok, can be added.
Thanks!
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If we're going to start listing music gear brands (and I consider software music gear) then we'll have to list a lot of them for it to make sense. Perhaps that's a separate project worth doing, but I am not sure it's a fit for this project. I suppose if we had a manufacturer sponsor (like we once had with Korg) it would make more sense.

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Hey Brian,

Yes, it would be difficult to list every manufacturer, but I think the main players such as Roland, Korg, Gibson, etc should have a simple listing. The main point is to direct anyone who is looking, directly at the manufacturers' site, rather than have them scramble around the internet looking for re-sellers whom we know nothing about.

I've always bought directly from Roland and Sony, for example, as I feel "trust" in the parent company to fix any problems rather than a re-seller whose reputation I'm unsure of.

The recording software side is pretty much covered, with the mainstream reputable companies listed. Perhaps a listing of the main instrument manufacturers would also help out also.

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Most manufacturers don't sell direct in the US and those that do (like Sony) charge you full list price which is always significantly more than the market rate for the product. About 80% of the time Amazon has the best prices on most things and if they don't carry it, Musicians Friend often has better prices than local retailers. If you have a quality local retailer (and keep in mind Guitar Center owns Musicians Friend) and their price is close, it may be worth paying the taxes (in the US you avoid sales taxes by purchasing on line) to buy local from someone who can answer questions etc.

We really need a Retailer sponsor. But there are so few around that can service a world wide group, or even a US group.

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Ahhh, see where you're coming from Brian. Yes, I agree it would be very difficult to be able to bring a global retailer on board. There were a couple of gadgets I wanted from Europe, but the site came back with 'We don't service Australia, please contact your local agent' This of course, is to maintain regional pricing, and to maximise profit.

I have found Sony products direct from the US, via Japan of course, very cost competitive, and just prefer to deal with them directly.

Perhaps the major manufacturers could just be listed from a product point of view, so folks can compare one product with another. Retail endorsement is a headache until the companies themselves stop retricting access on their products relative to geographical location.

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I agree with Brian:
"Perhaps that's a separate project worth doing,"

Our whole list could eventually become two project lists:
1. One for everything about creating and producing the music.
2. One for everything about publishing, marketing and licensing the music.

These two "master" lists could both become quit inclusive (as much as needed), and folks could jump in anywhere based on either the creation side or the marketing side of the music.

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I agree with Brian:
"Perhaps that's a separate project worth doing,"

Our current list project could eventually become two lists:
1. One for everything about creating and producing the music.
2. One for everything about publishing, marketing and licensing the music.

These two "master" lists could both become quit inclusive (as much as needed), and folks could jump in anywhere based on either the creation side or the marketing side of the music.

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Good point there Michael, there are 2 seperate and distinct phases.... product and then marketing. Both with completely different agendas. Worth a re-think I think.....

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Good point there Michael, there are 2 seperate and distinct phases.... product and then marketing. Both with completely different agendas. Worth a re-think I think.....
cheers, niteshift

Yes, I think so.
And furthermore, there are many hobbiest songwriters that may never want to get to the marketing level, so why "bother" them with info & resources they don't need and is larglely irrelevant?

Perhaps another good reason to divide our list into two unqiue categories.

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I am going to update the list and I might link it in the newsletter this week. Is your list up to date Michael?

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Yep, how about something along the lines of 'Write and Produce the Song' and then , the hardest part, 'Sell the Song'.....

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I am going to update the list and I might link it in the newsletter this week. Is your list up to date Michael?
Brian

Yes, thanks for asking Brian!
Currently everything is up-to-date & ready to go!
I think we have close to 160 entries now!

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Originally Posted by niteshift
Yep, how about something along the lines of 'Write and Produce the Song' and then , the hardest part, 'Sell the Song'.....
cheers, niteshift

Yeah, that's the basics!
Actually, to really find out what it takes, maybe ask some artists that started learning piano at age 5 or 6.

Next steps: learn to read, play and perform music at a young age.

Then continue with group and/or private lessons and get into a band or orchestra by Middle or High School days.

If they're talented and really love music, they'll probably get a major in music at the college or university level.

After all this education and practical experience, they'll select a "niche" in the music industry that they want to do for a living such as: teaching, performing, composing, recording, engineering, production, business, publishing, marketing, etc. The last three are particularly useful if they got a double-major such as Music & Business.

You could boil it down to a few basic steps:
1. Education
2. Composing & arranging
3. Production
4. Business, Marketing & Sales.

Michael


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OK Michael, ya want a database ? Here's a good one I stumbled across. Lots of free goodies too.....

http://www.audiomastermind.com

cheers, niteshift

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Niteshift,
Ok, I'll look into it, but I think the idea is that JPF wants to create our own "custom" listing of musician resources that is large enough to provide good selection yet small enough for us to properly vet out with help of our active members.

Seems like anyone can add listings to the audiomastermind.com database, so it's going to be potentially huge (gigantic) "wiki style" database.

Michael


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Yup, good huh ? Browsing galore ! The diffence here of course, is to find suitable business partners, so it's a different model, but thought I'd throw it in as an example of construction more than anything else.

cheers, niteshift

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Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast (aka Pandora) I suggest for this service

Fieldengineer.com: Another huge freelance marketplace for various services Ex: telecom. The one category that might be of the most interest here is the 'Broadcasting'.

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