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#562741 - 11/28/07 03:46 AM 10 Most Common Questions?  
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Hi Folks,

Please help me come up with a 10 most common questions list for newbies. I want to run it in the newsletter with links to answers here.

Thanks,

Brian


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#562750 - 11/28/07 04:30 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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(1) How do I get a publishing deal?
(2) How can I find a co-writer?
(3) When should I do a demo of one of my songs?
(4) Should I copyright all of my songs?
(5) How do I get paid royalties?
(6) Do I need to join a PRO (Performance Rights Organization)?
(7) Where can I learn about proper lyric/song structure?
(8) How much does a decent demo cost?
(9) Which organizations, such as TAXI, SongU, NSAI, etc. are most helpful for a newbie?
(10) Are songwriting contests really as good as they claim to be?


Brian, you didn't ask for the BEST or most helpful questions...you asked for the MOST COMMON questions for newbies. There are probably more beneficial or informative questions to be asked, but that's not what you asked for. The ones I listed above are the ones most commonly asked of me and/or which I have heard/read asked of others.

Hope this helps a little.

Al

#562756 - 11/28/07 05:29 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Two Singers]  
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How do I get a copyright?
Is it safe to post my song here?

#562765 - 11/28/07 06:05 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: ben willis]  
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Is the quality of my demo good enough?

How long of a song is too long?

I just started writing songs, it is a hobbie right now but I may want to persue it as a possible career or professional avenue. Where should I go to learn as much as possible before I make any moves (go to the library and read EVERY book there is on songwriting and most importantly, read ALL of the archived JPNOTES!)?

How long should my intro be? (obviously, cut to the chase!) but people really need to know this.

How do I package my demo before sending to a publishing co and how should I follow up and with what tools (postcards included, follow up with phone call, etc)?

Where can I find a good example of a good song pitch package?

IS MY SONG A G O O D SONG (have people review it!)? What makes a good quality song.. as far as for what category or genre or audience you are trying to reach.

I can't read music, do I need to pay alot of money to have someone help me?

Where do I get my song copyrighted and can u teach me any tips on how to get my money's worth (Wash D.C.) to file? - meaning.. do as a collection per say.. rather than song by song.

*note to self... I don't necessarily need answers to these BUT, when I was a newbie, I was clueless on some of these questions*


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#562768 - 11/28/07 07:01 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Jill Sansores/JPJill]  
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Well, for *common* questions (as opposed to *good* questions), how about:

o Would you listen to my songs?
o Has anybody ever heard of Paramount Group?

And:

o Would you please go to [INSERT WEBSITE] and cast your vote for [INSERT NAME] because I've never posted here before and may never do it again and you've never heard of [INSERT NAME] but but [INSERT NAME] is reallyreallyreally good, so please?

Joe

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#562771 - 11/28/07 07:17 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Joe Wrabek]  
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Yep, agree with the above, and...

o I've just started writing songs, are they any good ?
o How do I "Make it" in the music biz ?
o I'm paranoid about people stealing my songs, do I need an attorney ?
o How do I submit my works to a publisher, and which one ?

and the usual copyright and PRO questions.

cheers, niteshift


#562821 - 11/28/07 11:38 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: niteshift]  
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I think Al covered all of the questions I read a lot (and that I have myself).

Another one that newbies ask is : Where can I get my songs critiqued and reviewed for a reasonable price?

Kevin



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#562850 - 11/28/07 12:57 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Where can I get demos made? How much should I spend? How good do they need to be?


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#562851 - 11/28/07 12:57 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Another Question that maybe SHOULD be asked but usually isn't.

How do I record my songs properly? (cause what is on my Soundclick sounds as if it has been recorded in a toilet with a kids plastic mic held next to the water flushing and I do not realise just how bad it is.)

#562891 - 11/28/07 02:23 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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I just made a quick survey of the questions on the first five pages of this forum. Here's the way it looks.

1. Legal Questions. Mostly questions about copyrights, followed by specific contract questions.

2. Specific Businesses. Folks want to know about specific publishers, record labels, and studios. Quite often, the questioner wants a publisher, but the publisher wants to record the questioner's demos (Joe got it there). Also some questions about specific pluggers.

3. How to copyright songs.

4 and 5. This is a tie. How to pitch songs. How to get recordings ready for a cd or mp3.

5 and 6. Another tie. Questions about performance and questions about creating promo material.

7. Questions about improving writing (funny, if this were the number one question, most of the other questions would answer themselves.)

8. Questions about PROs, how they work, who are they, which is best.

9. Taxi.

10. A tie again, NSAI and how to find booking agents.


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#563030 - 11/28/07 09:45 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Thanks Mike.

Anyone else have anything to add?

Brian


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#563494 - 11/30/07 02:08 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian:

Joe Wrabek has hit a homerun from my perspective. Funny, funny, funny! Al David did a pretty good job at providing serious common questions.

With Mike and the rest of the responses... looks like you have a pretty good list to work with.

All my best,

Dave Rice

#563503 - 11/30/07 02:37 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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"how do I find someone to write music for my lyrics"


all the other usual questions seem to have been covered. Love Joe's list, LOL.


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If a demo company wants part of my copyright for doing the demo that I pay for?

What should a co-writers agreement contain?


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Ray, I'd place your question in with the other "don't fall for a scam" type questions.


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#564184 - 12/02/07 01:44 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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How do I put my picture on this website?
Is it safe to post my songs here?
Is there an area to upload my songs so people can hear them?
Why should I put my name here? Can't I be incognito?

#564250 - 12/02/07 02:59 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Monica L. Yasher]  
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"I wrote 80 percent of the words & most of the melody but my co-writer wants 50 percent, is that fair"

"I took my words & melody to a producer who added drums & bass& stuff, now he says he owns 50 percent of the song, what do I do"

"where's the best place to put my music on-line"

"what's a work for hire"

"someone told me I could mail my lyrics to myself and that would make them copyright, is that right"

"how do I sell my songs"


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#564487 - 12/03/07 03:48 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Hummingbird]  
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Some more great ones.

Okay.. so who will compile them all into a list for me? And once we have a list, I want to come up with answers for each question. Then we'll post them in a single post and make it a FAQ for the Mentor boards and also link it in the newsletter.

Brian


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#564502 - 12/03/07 04:43 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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It would appear that there are a lot more than just 10 good questions for a comprehensive FAQ board. Perhaps increase the number and put all these questions under subject categories to make it easier to view. What about the answers as we all have differing opinions? I suggest posting a different thread for each question and then the "official" answers can be formed from the best posts and concensus.

#564778 - 12/04/07 03:58 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Actually most of the questions are pretty easy to answer and there really isn't a lot of different possible answers. As for more than 10, we can have as many as we want.. I just hoped someone with a little time could pull the list together and then I can work on supplying the answers and opening discussion where needed. If we create a bunch of individual posts for all these questions, it would be too many to leave as a Sticky note and if we just post them, they'll disappear defeating the purpose. All these questions have been answered before on here.. the idea is to collect the answers into one place.

Brian

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#564860 - 12/04/07 08:04 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

I can help you with that if you would like. You can PM me with any additional info if you would like me help with this.

Al

#564999 - 12/05/07 08:07 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Two Singers]  
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Thanks Al.

I think just coming up with the list which can combine similar questions (like about what is a scam, what is legit etc..) and then listing them (whether it's 8 or 10 or 12 or 20) so we can start tackling them. What I need is to remove duplicates and also contemplate if any obvious area has been left off. I don't want to do that because I am so close to most of this stuff (i.e. answering these questions literally thousands of times over the years) that it's harder for me to really know which questions should be included and which ones aren't really needed. So having some other feedback and thought processes is helpful. Once you have your list, we'll post it and find out from everyone is anything critical is missing.. then we'll come up with some answers and open it for discussion.

Thanks for helping!

Brian


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#565113 - 12/05/07 06:14 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

Great! I'll start working on that tomorrow. My wife has Dr's appointments all afternoon the rest of today. I will scour the various forums at length, going back for a year or so, and try to determine which are the most frequently asked ***BASIC***questions. There are plenty of forums for the more advanced and more technical questions. I will keep it focused on questions that relative newbies to the business might ask.

I am not going to put a specific number on the list of questions. I will include everything that is important to a fairly large segment of folks...nothing genre or detail specific. I am expecting it to end up being 20 or fewer questions. I want to cover all that is appropriate for the intention without having a laundry list/unending compendium of specifics.

I will PM you with my initial list in a couple of days for your review. Once we agree, we can post the list to see if an other JPFers might notice an appropriate omission. Once we have agreed upon the list, we'll decide on answers and, as you said, open for further discussion. And if, eventually, you want to create a forum for it, I would be happy to moderate it. I know that would be down the road, if at all, but just wanted to let you know.

Al

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Actually.. if we create a separate forum for these types of questions, then it would make sense to have up to 50 questions, thus filling 1 page. We could set it up so no NEW posts could be made, but so any given topic could have discussion as often as folks needed. Then someone could read the "official" answer and all the other variations that folks offered up. (And address clarifications for people who need more). Of course that is what we often do on each of the other boards, so perhaps we'll be killing the need for many of the sub-boards by doing this... I guess we'll see what the questions are and go from there.

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I was also thinking, if we do this as a group project once we have questions lined up, that if we found all the previously significant discussions on the same topic and linked them as additional resources, that could be very helpful. And of course we could also include external links to other sites as well.

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Brian,

Adding links to previous discussions with relevant info on a topic would be a good idea. I like your idea about, from your earlier post, about having an "official" answer and then links to the various discussions.

I you want to do a forum on this, I am sure I could come up with enough relevant questions to fill most of a page. It's your call...I'm just offering to moderate and update the forum should you decide to go that route. I am retired now and have ample time to contribute to this project. Just let me know what direction you want to go to get the ball rolling. I will start doing research tomorrow, regardless. No matter how you choose to incept this project, we will need the data. So, I will get that facet of it under way.

Al

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Sorry I'm late...here is one more:

1)How do I become "self-published" and what do I need to know as a "self-publisher" if someone wants to cut my song?

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I've been mulling this project over and I hope that others will join us in creating something that could expand in all directions. We have a wealth of knowledge around here and I think it's time we put it all to good mutual use!

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I've been mulling this project over and I hope that others will join us in creating something that could expand in all directions. We have a wealth of knowledge around here and I think it's time we put it all to good mutual use!

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Brian,
All around a great resource concept to have a list of common JPF & Music Business /Industry related FAQs. One idea is to have a general (intro) one for common questions about this site and its usage. Then also have more specific FAQs listed at the top of topic threads that relate directly to those topics. An outline (for starters) might include:

Intro To JPF - FAQs
General Site Usage FAQs
Songwriter FAQs
Music Industry FAQs
Common Mentor Questions (FAQs)
Founder FAQs (Yup, stuff about Brian & your background/history related to JPF).
Lyric Forums FAQs
MP3 Forum FAQs
JPF Chapters FAQs

I'm sure I've missed some, but these might be the most visited boards/topics to start with. The "Intro To JPF FAQs" page could also provide a handy table of contents with all the FAQ categories listed in alphabetical order with direct links to all the FAQs pages around the site. Just food for thought in getting this organized so you'll have room to grow as new FAQs get added to the list in the future.

It would be cool for all members (newbies or experienced) to browse through all the FAQs topics to "bone up" on areas they have the most interest in. Also, if the FAQ answers are supplied as contributions by our members, you could also give credit. (e.g. Contributed by John Doe) or whatever.

The effect is we create something like an online knowledge base (wikipedia?) of the most helpful information that has been shared and discussed on these boards over the last 8 years or so.

Finally a way to get all this great info organized so that it's easy to search and access!

Just my 2 cents,
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Originally Posted by Al David

Adding links to previous discussions with relevant info on a topic would be a good idea. I like your idea about, from your earlier post, about having an "official" answer and then links to the various discussions.
Al


Al,
Great idea!
You got my "vote"! grin

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Michael great suggestion. I like the idea of having a FAQ intro on each board/thread plus a general FAQ board. Don't forget general technical forum FAQs.
I also like an official answer plus assorted other answers and advice.

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The FAQs are a good idea. I still think we need a "Drivel FAQ," but probably no one would pay any attention to it.

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Hey Al... any progress on this?

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Brian,

Should have something to post in a few days.

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Hi Brian,

Some good answers above especially from All David.

I think people should be told what books to buy, on Song Writing.

Because 80 per cent of posters on JPF, do not even understand Format, Modern Rhyme, Meter,Rhythm, Phrasing, How to use repetition, Most are completely unaware of "Beauty and The Beast" re the Vowel Triangle (Open and Closed vowels).to create singable lines.

I could go on and on,

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I reviewed the posts on the most commonly frequented forums that seem to appeal to a large number of active JPFers. I went back approximately one year and annotated the subject matter of the posts that would have a general interest to a large number of folks…Just Plain Folks, of course! Originally I had intended on ten or twelve subjects. But, in order to accommodate all the subject matter that might be relevant to a large number of members/visitors, I had to expand that number to twenty questions.

On the surface some questions may appear to be similar, ie; 13, 14, and 20. Although they cover some subject matter that overlaps, they are, none the less, significantly different to warrant an individual reply. The idea here is to be as definitive as possible.

There were many other questions in addition to these. However, in my opinion, they were either too focal to apply to a large number of people, or; they were exclusively specific to this site. The questions we want to address in this thread are more about the music business in general rather than the JPF site. So, if you have previously asked a question and it is not included among these, it is probably because it falls under one of the two aforementioned areas of exclusion.

At this point, I have included neither answers nor links to previous discussion or off-site resources. I will do that in the near future...after we have decided on the specific questions. At this time, however, I submit these questions for your review and additional suggestions. Once we settle on twenty questions, I will then throw it open for your opinions on helpful and informative answers.

At this time, however, I just want comments/suggestions regarding the questions. We will get to the answers in the very near future.

I am hoping that many of you will be active participants in this process. Before posting a final FAQ thread, I will appeal to Mike Dunbar for a final review. BTW, he doesn’t know that yet!

One last comment: If you have a suggestion to add a question or replace a current question with a different one; bear in mind that it must have general appeal or relevance to a large number of folks here at JPF. Otherwise, it probably will not get favorable consideration for inclusion. That’s it! Have at it!


1: How do I get a publisher, label/artist to listen to my original music? And, how do I prepare/package my demo?

2: I was contacted by email by someone “in the business” who heard my music and wants me to sign a publishing/promotion deal. I constantly hear about people being scammed like this. How do I know if it’s legitimate?

3: Should I copyright my songs? If so, how do I do that?

4: Is there any real benefit to joining an organization such as Taxi or NSAI?

5: I write mostly country music. Nashville insiders say that I have to stick to their guidelines and formulas if I expect to have a major publisher seriously consider my music. But, so much of what I hear on the radio frequently violates many of those rules. Can someone intelligently explain that to me? It seems so contradictory!

6: When I feel my song is good enough to invest money in a demo; should I do a full scale production? Or, is a vocal with just guitar or piano backing adequate?

7: Is it really safe to post my songs on the numerous Internet sites that offer that service? Can’t someone just steal it or make a similar derivative work from it?

8: I’m a great lyricist/musician. But, I do not play an instrument/write lyrics. How do I go about collaborating with someone on the Internet? And, is it difficult?

9: Mom and Aunt Betty think my songs are great! But, how can I get a real and honest critique of my songs?

10: How much should a good demo/critique cost me?

11: I am very serious about my music. I’m pretty darned good! But, I want to be even better…professional quality work. What resources are available to take my skills to the next level?

12: I can’t convince a publisher or label to listen to my music. It really is great, though! Are there any other avenues to get my music heard by someone in the business?

13: Should I join a Performance Rights Organization (PRO), such as ASCAP, BMI or SESAC? And what, exactly, can they do for me?

14: I write some pretty darned good songs. But, I am not a performer. How do I get paid for my songs if a performing artist records them or plays them publicly?

15: I see dozens of songwriting contests all over the place. Are they legitimate, for the most part? And, has anyone ever achieved professional success by winning one?

16: I hear lots of really nice sounding songs on the Internet that people say they have recorded at home. Sounds complicated! How do I go about doing that?

17: Can I be my own publisher? If so, how do I do that?

18: I write/compose mostly country music. I’ve heard it said that you have to live in Nashville if you have any hope of succeeding in country music? Is that true?

19: How do I make an MP3 music file; and how do I upload it to the hosting site?

20: Is there really much money to be made as a songwriter or composer, rather than a performer?

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Al,
Great list you got going here!
Sounds like the kind of questions everyone here will enjoy reading and getting answers to.
It'll be interesting to compare the official answers with the more folksy (informal) ones from various musician's real-life experiences. Hopefully Brian will approve this list to get the ball rolling!

Thanks for your efforts on this,
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Michael,

Thanks! I am hoping that we can settle on the final 20 questions and have "official" answers and links to previous discussions and outside resources within the next few weeks. The 20 questions listed in the preceding post were the most common questions asked by the various posters here at JPF; but it certainly is not an "all-inclusive" list. Gosh, that would be an almost endless list!

I have started making notes on "official" answers to some of the questions, but would like to discuss them with Mike Dunbar and Brian...as well as any other professionals in "the business" who would care to ingratiate the process. Thanks for checking in! Hope 2008 is the best year yet for you.

Al

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Hey Al,

I'll have some time tomorrow, I'll drop you a pm or email in the morning after I've had some coffee and have looked at what's here. Thanks for the work.

All the Best,
Mike


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#570630 - 12/28/07 01:16 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Sounds good, Mike. Thanks!

Al

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Had a quick look, some questions as you say seem to be repeated or just put a different way. I do not see a problem lumping these all together under one general heading with one all encompassing official answer covering all the points. It seem more logical. Eg I want some advice on making and pitching a demo. then list the answers under headings like Cost, quality, feedback, etc etc. Otherwise the questions jump all over the place and have no proper format.

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Jim,

I'll look it over and see if I can economize! You might well be correct about broadening the scope of some questions and make them more inclusive to cover all facets of one subject matter. My wife had doctors' appointments all morning (my time); but I will rethink the list as soon as we are finished. Thanks for the insight.

Mike D. and i are going to be looking this over a little later today. In the event he has not seen your post, I will pass on your observation and suggestion. Thanks!

Al

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This is a wonderful idea!! smile
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Hi Joanne!

The idea was Brian's, so he deserves the credit for the idea. Mike D. and I are working diligently to bring this to fruition, hopefully within a few weeks.



Big Jim...

Mike and I have discussed your suggestion about combining somewhat similar information about a particular subject into one post, thus reducing the number of questions down to a dozen or so. We both agree that it is good idea. However, we are going to leave the questions, more or less, as they currently are. The reason that we decided to do so is as follows: Many of the folks who are true newbies and/or have little or knowledge of the business per se may not know how to filter through a composite answer to find the specific information they are seeking. As rookies or folks with limited experience, they may or may not know the relationships of various subject matter and how to decipher the manner in which they work together. Thus we are going to keep them more as literal questions, rather than an all-inclusive discussion of a broad topic. It would probably be less confusing to the newbie as such. Please read on for a little more on the expereinced folks.

The more experienced folks would probably have no difficulty sifting through the information by broad topic, as you suggested, and putting it all together. But, the main thrust of this effort is to assist the newbie with a basic foundation of the music scene/business. I guess you could call it "Basic Training For New Songwriters & Performers".

Now, if Brian agrees, at a later time I could put together a different FAQ for the more experienced writer and performers using your suggestion. That would afford everyone an opportunity to use whichever approach works best for him/her. I would not mind doing that.

I wanted to let you know that we did discuss your suggestion and why we decided on the approach we are going to utilize. Again, I do think that your idea would be very effective for more expereinced music folks and would be a terrific reference source for them. Yes, there would be a fair amount of overlap in the information provided; but the organization and delivery of the information would be different. Plus, there could be more detailed information provided. Thanks again for your interest and taking time to express your thoughts on the matter.

Al

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We can always nit pick anything. I am just glad to see it moving forward. The only suggestion I would make is that 2 different questions single out Country music when the question itself doesn't really need to. One purpose for the FAQ in my mind is so that when people come here without experience or knowledge that JPF is a welcoming and diverse org supporting all types of music, they will still be able to get helpful info while they dip their toes into it all. If you're a Rock or Pop or Rap or Classical or Religious or Jazz or Electronic artist/writer etc., these FAQS should be as helpful to you as it would be to a Country writer/artist. I think considering that would help frame the questions beyond the Country music format/formula.

Food for thought,

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Brian,

I assume you are referring to questions 5 & 18. Just a couple of quick comments. When I reviewed the threads to determine the most commonly asked questions, I did not filter them for genre or specific subject matter for inclusion or exclusion. I noted them only by their intrinsic content. Also, Country music is the only mainstream music, of which I know, that so tightly constrains their requirements of "newbies", aspiring compoasers/writers, to proscribed formulae and tolerate little or no deviance if you want their ear. If I were to remove the reference to "Country Music" in those two questions, they would have sigificantly reduced relevance. And those two questions were asked multiple times, in form or another. The intent is not to focus on one genre or group per se; but to respond to the questions as asked, in the context of the inquiry. So, as I previously mentioned, if the reference to the Country Music genre is excluded, then the questions as whole should be removed. Personally, I feel they should remain because we do have so many participants on the boards who write and/or perform in that particular genre. I realize that the active forum participants are just a small part of the total JPF membership. But, those who do participate on the forums on a regular basis represent the target audience for this project; at least that was my impression. Just my thoughts.

Al

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Wow, you guys are making some great progress... glad to see this moving forwards. This whole thing is SO long over due, but now it could truly happen as early as January 2008... NOT too late! grin

Here's another little input "tweak" regarding your approach to serve both "newbies" and the more experienced. You could invite the newbies (or everyone!) to start first with the "Music Biz 101" FAQs and then later (when they're ready) they can "graduate" up to "Music Biz 201" or "301" or whatever you want to call it. In other words, start them with the basics and then let them move up from there at their own speed.

Best regards,
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Michael,

I personally like your idea of a Muisc Biz 101, 102, 103, etc. I think that Mike and I are so far along in this inception that it would be a bit difficult to revise it as such. But, down the road, I may take another look at that. I appreciate your thoughts and thanks for the encouragement! All the best to ya!

Al

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Originally Posted by Al David
Michael,
I personally like your idea of a Muisc Biz 101, 102, 103, etc. I think that Mike and I are so far along in this inception that it would be a bit difficult to revise it as such. But, down the road, I may take another look at that. I appreciate your thoughts and thanks for the encouragement! All the best to ya!
Al


Ok Al, thanks!
Maybe keep it very SIMPLE, like have just two versions:
Intro and Advanced.
The "Intro" is for newbies and the "Advanced" for the experts like you and Mike...
and the rest of us that wanna learn more! grin

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Hi Al Brian's point is valid. Most folk on this forum are country music writers BUT there are a lot of us who are not. There may be 100 questions about country music and maybe a half dozen about other genres and non country issues but these half dozen still are just as important and could be looked at including to avoid JPF attracting only country folk.
PS. I do not see any technical questions about equipment, computer programs and recording devices etc. I am sure that there have been many questions repeated many times about mics, pro tools, cakewalk, interfaces etc etc. Perhaps a question about basic recording setups,techniques and equipment needed.

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Big Jim,

Only 2 of 20 questions are specific to Country. And since 70-80 percent of the folks on the forums are more oriented to Country, that's really a very small recipricol percnetage...10% of the questions vs 70%-80% of the participants. But, your comment, none-the-less, is indeed valid, regarding the non-country oriented folks. And as Brian also mentioned, we could nit-pick these things to death. And please know that I do not think for a moment that you are nit-picking. I am leading up to another point, and that is: you, as an example, represent a relatively small but incrdably talented and important part of our constituency from the UK. Almost everything that Mike D. and I post will be geared toward the U.S. music scene, which is quite different from the UK, Continetal Europe, Japan, etc. So, it's kind of a matter of addressing the largest number of folks possible and still not excluding the other factions.

I have an idea! Yeah, hard to fathom, I know. But, you and a few others from the UK could send me some appropriate info on the UK music biz and we might be able to add that to the project. In fact, I think that would be a great addition!

Regarding equipment and technical issues. Those subjects would be covered under question #16. The answer for that question will address most of the specifics you mentioned. If you think the question could be asked differently...a little more directly, how about this instead of what we have:

Current stated:

16: I hear lots of really nice sounding songs on the Internet that people say they have recorded at home. Sounds complicated! How do I go about doing that?

Suggested revision:

16: I am interested in learning about recording my own music. Can you tell me more about computer software and hardware, microphones, mixing boards, processors, etc.?

What do you think? I'm always willing to listen (I'm not going to use my wife as a reference, though!).

We really appreciate your interest in making this a better project. Thanks!

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#571365 - 12/31/07 01:08 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Two Singers]  
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Hi Al spot on perfect solution. I think that a lot of questions could be phrased in a similar way so one question fits all then the answers could be split into headings to identify the different individual topics seperately. EG. How do I make a demo? Then answer under different headings like Recording, Editing, Pitching etc etc. Do I make sense?

#571409 - 12/31/07 04:06 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Jim,

When it comes to music, you almost always make sense. I am pretty sutre that Mike has been reading along with this thread (haven't "talked" to him in a couple of days). But, if he doersn't comment here on this, I'll send him a note regarding our discussion.

If anyone else has a good observation to improve this project, or simply wants to comment, please feel free to do so. If thisproject does not satisfactorily meet the needs of a majority of JPFers, it will be a lot of good intended, hard work gone to waste. Mike and I are flexible and open to consider all suggestions and then finalize the preparation, followed by its impilementation. Don't be bashful!

Al

#571491 - 12/31/07 10:25 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Two Singers]  
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I think it's more important to keep moving forward and we can always tweak a question or answer later. That's the great thing about a FAQ.. it can be easily edited anytime. I am sure we'll think of additional questions to add as we go. I think waiting too long to move forward is the bigger risk.

I think you can ask the "Country" questions with minimal changes to make it less limited in scope. I've been busy with family stuff for the last 10 days but that should lighten up after the weekend coming up and then I can focus on this as well.

Thanks for the work!

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#571498 - 12/31/07 10:49 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Brian,

I agree...moving along is most important. I will reevaluate the wording of each question, make adjustments as necessary and run them by Mike for further review. Glad I can help.

Al

#571588 - 01/01/08 10:22 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Two Singers]  
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Hi Al you are doing a great job. I am sure this work is in good hands. Cannot wait for the fireworks when it comes to the answers though. Sorry having a laugh.

#571678 - 01/01/08 05:17 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey Al, Yes, I've been reading along. Great ideas progressing here. I'll dive in over the next few days and maybe we can move off the dime. Thanks for your good work.

Jim, you are sure right about the fireworks. One suggestion is to contain a lot of links so there are plenty of opportunities to examine different ideas, maybe even give each question it's own discussion thread that can be linked into. One example, perhaps the main difference in a lot of songwriting issues is writing commercially vs. writing "ars gratia artis." Both sides argue that the other side is wrong, a provable, classical mistake in logic, (basically "apples and oranges"). I expect a lot of brouhaha from those camps. BTW, Jim, I asked Brian if we could include the question "Is there a God?" but he has yet to answer.


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#571686 - 01/01/08 05:51 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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LOL Mike

I think the most important question would be;
How do you make that little copyright sign?..© year and name


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#571700 - 01/01/08 07:23 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Mike, I have followed (but not participated in) that "Where's the morality?" thread that kinda morphed into a "Where's the divinity?" I think it'd be okay to include an "Is there a God?" question, as long as you put it close to the end so as not to turn people off too early. And followed it up with "And what record company does He work for?"

Hope you had a good New Year's.

Joe

#571708 - 01/01/08 08:14 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Joe Wrabek]  
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Joe I'd wanna know who his agent is. and what percentage he is taking.

#572119 - 01/03/08 03:49 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Just a quick update: I am in the process of retooling some of the questions. Should have a revised list posted soon.

Al

#574834 - 01/11/08 08:59 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Ray E. Strode

tjis name sounds familiar... besides being on JPF..

humm.... i wonder........


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#574835 - 01/11/08 09:04 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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errrr... like 100 scam questions..

i DO however see a decrease in scam artists personally since sending out emails to one's personal email account has become not too effective.

in earlier days, it was new. these days, thank God for JPFolks to read and make more reasonable decisions.


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#1018380 - 08/05/13 09:59 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Jill Sansores/JPJill]  
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Trying to figure out why we stopped working on this?

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#1018590 - 08/06/13 12:59 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Did you ever finish a version? I'd love to read it.


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#1018669 - 08/06/13 10:17 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Judy Hughes]  
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That was my point on this Judy, for some reason it just stopped. I think it is still a good idea and with some help we could really improve each board with a set of these questions and answers. The other idea of a board where it is just the top Q&A's from the site with it open for continual discussion and updating.

Anyone want to get involved? A lot of work has already been done, but someone would need to take over the role of Al.

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#1018797 - 08/07/13 08:25 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Yes, I see what you mean. Do you have access to Al's list? I would like lend a hand, though I just walked in the door a couple of days ago. Someone else may be more appropriate who has a background with the group.

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#1018816 - 08/08/13 01:44 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Judy Hughes]  
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I finally read the entire thread - there's Al's list! And everyone else's. I just pulled all of them out into a text file. What seems to be the big missing item are the answers.
That would be a call for experts I guess. Someone to step up on topics like these as an answer provider:
Songwriting
Song pitching
Marketing
Recording
Copyrights, legal basics,
PROs
Artist /Band perspectives
Songwriter perspectives


Here's a random first question from the lists.
What is song structure? Where can I learn about proper lyric/song structure?

Who's the songwriter pro who will answer this one?


Judy


#1018823 - 08/08/13 04:29 AM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Judy Hughes]  
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Judy, I’ll try. I expect, though, that I’ll just be providing a starting point for others to talk from. What I say will reference country music, too, because that’s what I write. There are other genres, and some of the rules are different. You should also take what I say with a large amount of salt, because I am not famous by any means.

There are music-industry experts who will tell you a country music song should follow the pattern of verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus. I think that’s c**p. You’ll find most good songs ignore that format. I pay attention to it only when it’s convenient (which is not often).

I am interested more in conceptual structure. A country music song tells a story, framed in concrete terms—real things happening to real people. I insist my songs be a complete thought, with no loose ends. I also impose time limits on myself. I want that complete thought expressed in 3-1/2 to 5 minutes, with and without a lead break; the numbers are mostly arbitrary (though there are a lot of song contests that will not accept material longer than 5 minutes), and simply force me to be economical with words.

Beyond that, I also insist on being different: I want to either be saying something new, or saying something old in a new way. If you want to be noticed, you have to provide a reason to be noticed (which I suppose is another argument for staying away from that Official Nashville Song Structure thing).

As far as where to learn, a lot depends on how you learn. Some folks learn best from books, others from organized classes; some like the “immersion therapy” of songwriting camps. Myself, I learn best from watching other people. One of the best resources I’ve found is here at JPF. Read lyrics—lots of lyrics—and what other people say about them; try to get a handle on what people consider “good” and why. JPF is one of about half a dozen writers’ groups I subscribe to. Lot of good writers here, who are real helpful with advice.

I look for famous songwriters whose work I consider good, and try to puzzle out what they’re doing with words that makes it good, and apply those tricks to my own writing. And not just songwriters: anyone who works in the “oral tradition”—words that are meant to be spoken, not just read—is fair game. People like Cicero, Churchill, Vergil, Homer, and Dr. Seuss.

And on the rare occasion when I end up writing something audiences consider good, I try to find out why they think it’s good.

That help? Hopefully, some experts will chime in now.

Joe

P.S. Brian, I noticed Al’s last “I’m still working on the list” post was seven months ago. Is he okay?

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Some excellent advice Joe.
I think information about concept and length is important and a good addition to the answer for this question.

I do believe beginning songwriters need some understanding of structure though, before they venture out of the box. Once you know what rules you're breaking it's easier to get away with it.

So if someone could answer the specific - what is structure. Maybe there's a post you could refer to regarding structures - ABABCB, or AAA or possibly the difference between Pop Verse-Chorus and Country Verse-Chorus. I don't think we can go into depth but I think a starting point is important.

I am reminded of our first song critique submission - a meandering 7 minute, ABABCAAABCDEFG.... I can't repeat the comments here. Ouch.

Don't forget book suggestions on the subject.
Here's one - Songwriting - A Complete Guide to the Craft, Stephen Citron


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Hi Judy,
As to song struture. It has been noted that a popular song needs to have a beginning, middle, and end. It has been noted from time to time, that a song, popular type, should be about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 minutes long.
A song too short may not be a song at all and one too long may get too repitious.
A song should not give away everything until it is ready in the song. In other words, a bit of mystery. But of course the song still has to have some contunity instead of a bunch of words just thrown together.

A song that is pretty long but works perfectly is EL PASO by Marty Robbins. Keep writing.


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Yes, I agree with you. The pop song is shorter than the country song. Here are my compiled answers from responses to this first FAQ: I answered it in two parts. This is a trial run. Looking for feedback.


Where can I learn about proper lyric/song structure?

A) What is song structure

There are several categories of song structures; lyric, rhyme, melody and chord structures. Here is one of the basic lyric structures used in many pop and country songs.

A - verse 1
B - chorus
A- Verse 2
B - Chorus
C - Bridge (or verse 3)
B - Chorus

A basic rhyme structure in a verse containing 4 lines:
Rhyme the last word of lines 2 and 4
Verse 2 rhyme differs from verse 1.
The last line of the chorus is generally the hook, or punchline of the song.

Study song lyrics of hit songs and you will often see this structure.

You may also see an additional line or two between the verse and chorus. This is the lift, meant to carry the power of the song upward into the chorus.

This is only one of many song forms. We highly recommend you study a good book on the subject.

After understanding song form basics, conceptual form is the important consideration. Keep in mind - simplify, simplify.

A country music song tells a story, framed in concrete terms of real things happening to real people. The best ones are a single complete thought without loose ends. That complete thought needs to be expressed in 3-1/2 to 5 minutes.
A pop song does not always stick to a story line, but expresses an emotion, concept, or feeling. The best ones are about real things happening to real people. Pop songs generally run from 2-1/2 to 3-1/2 minutes, even less time to get your point across. That is why it is important to simplify. If verse one sets up a question, answer it in verse two, don't set up another question.

If you want to be noticed, you have to provide a reason to be noticed. Song screeners literally get hives over too many cliches in a song. This is where you pull out a rhyming dictionary, or read poetry or novels and get ideas about how to say things in a different way.

B) Where can I learn about songwriting and song structure:

As far as where to learn, a lot depends on how you learn. Some folks learn best from books, others from organized classes; some like the “immersion therapy” of songwriting camps. You may learn best from watching other people. The lyric and song forums here on JPF are an excellent resource. Read lyrics and what other people say about them; try to get a handle on what people consider “good” in your chosen genre, and why.

Once you understand how to write a song by the rules, you can start to break them. Say something new, or say something old in a new way. Change the structure, use structures you are unfamiliar with. AAA, AABA, AAAC. Look them up. Try them on. Break them completely. See what happens.

Book recommendations:
The Craft and Business of Songwriting, John Braheny
http://www.amazon.com/Craft-Business-Songwriting-3rd-Edition/dp/1582974667

Writing Better Lyrics, Pat Pattison
http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Better-Lyrics-Pat-Pattison/dp/1582975779/ref=pd_sim_b_4

Songwriting, A complete Guide to the Craft, Stephen Citron

http://www.amazon.com/Songwriting-C...&keywords=Songwriting+Stephen+Citron








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Thanks, Judy. A couple of extraneous (and probably irrelevant) thoughts:

Country music is known for its rhyming. But what if you've got a word nothing rhymes with? I ran into that with "Duct Tape." The solution was to make the rhymes *internal* instead (trick picked up from Avril Lavigne), and just have every couplet end with "duct tape." Worked.

I took care of the cliche problem by writing a song that was entirely cliches. ("Twenty-four Seven" was also a love song, and a waltz--if you're going to do cliches, you might as well go all the way.) Now they don't bother me any more.

And the hook can really go anywhere that it fits. I've occasionally made it the first line of the first verse, just because. Challenge is if you don't have a chorus. In the Southern Pigfish folk-rocker "For Their Own Ends," which has seven verses, no chorus, the hook (which is not the title) is in the last line of each verse. In "When I Jump Off the Cliff I'll Think of You," which has nine verses, no chorus, the hook happens only four times, but still was memorable.

Joe

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Hey Joe - yup, totally agree on all that. Those are all valid thoughts and worthy of the discussion. A little beyond basic info for a beginner FAQ though IMHO.

You're right on the cliche issue. We all write them. It's how we talk. And once somebody makes a great speech, or writes an original lyric that becomes a hit....it's a cliche. So let's look on the sunny side of life, don't worry, be happy, live and let live, and write more cliche songs. Que Sera Sera. (I'd add a smiley here but I don't know how.) There's even a book to help.

http://utopia.knoware.nl/~sybev/cliche/general.htm

I'll make a couple of edits.


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...And cliche till the cows come home.

Joe

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Joe,

Actually Al's post was from 7 months ago.. plus 5 years... I just pulled this up, in part to check on Al, but also to see if we could finish the work.

Ideally, we'd post the list of the top 50 questions (or some smaller number) and then create a board where they'd all be posted individually in the subject like "How do I earn royalties" etc. then inside, the question would be posted again in more depth and people could offer up their thoughts and also more clarification until we have what we consider to be the "best" answer. Then we'd edit the first post and under the question, we'd list the "answer" and welcome folks to continue to discuss in case something has changed, we got something wrong or they have more questions about that topic.

What we CAN'T do, is lift the text off of someone else's page or answer without permission or simply linking to their page. Ideally we'd have our own "answer" which would become a permanent part of the board for folks to research.

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Here is the laundry list of questions from the 07 session with summaries from Mike Dunbar and Al David at the bottom.

Originally Posted by Al David
(1) How do I get a publishing deal?
(2) How can I find a co-writer?
(3) When should I do a demo of one of my songs?
(4) Should I copyright all of my songs?
(5) How do I get paid royalties?
(6) Do I need to join a PRO (Performance Rights Organization)?
(7) Where can I learn about proper lyric/song structure?
(8) How much does a decent demo cost?
(9) Which organizations, such as TAXI, SongU, NSAI, etc. are most helpful for a newbie?
(10) Are songwriting contests really as good as they claim to be?

Al


Originally Posted by ben willis
How do I get a copyright?
Is it safe to post my song here?


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Originally Posted by Jill Sansores/JPJill

Is the quality of my demo good enough?

How long of a song is too long?

I just started writing songs, it is a hobbie right now but I may want to persue it as a possible career or professional avenue. Where should I go to learn as much as possible before I make any moves

How long should my intro be?

How do I package my demo before sending to a publishing co and how should I follow up and with what tools?

Where can I find a good example of a good song pitch package?

IS MY SONG A G O O D SONG ? What makes a good quality song.. as far as for what category or genre or audience you are trying to reach.

I can't read music, do I need to pay alot of money to have someone help me?

Where do I get my song copyrighted and can u teach me any tips on how to get my money's worth (Wash D.C.) to file? - meaning.. do as a collection per say.. rather than song by song.


Originally Posted by Joe Wrabek


o Would you listen to my songs?
o Has anybody ever heard of Paramount Group?


Joe
Originally Posted by niteshift


o I've just started writing songs, are they any good ?
o How do I "Make it" in the music biz ?
o I'm paranoid about people stealing my songs, do I need an attorney ?
o How do I submit my works to a publisher, and which one ?


Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Where can I get my songs critiqued and reviewed for a reasonable price?


Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Where can I get demos made? How much should I spend? How good do they need to be?


Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
How do I record my songs properly?


Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
I just made a quick survey of the questions on the first five pages of this forum. Here's the way it looks.

1. Legal Questions. Mostly questions about copyrights, followed by specific contract questions.

2. Specific Businesses. Folks want to know about specific publishers, record labels, and studios. Quite often, the questioner wants a publisher, but the publisher wants to record the questioner's demos (Joe got it there). Also some questions about specific pluggers.

3. How to copyright songs.

4 and 5. This is a tie. How to pitch songs. How to get recordings ready for a cd or mp3.

5 and 6. Another tie. Questions about performance and questions about creating promo material.

7. Questions about improving writing (funny, if this were the number one question, most of the other questions would answer themselves.)

8. Questions about PROs, how they work, who are they, which is best.

9. Taxi.

10. A tie again, NSAI and how to find booking agents.


Originally Posted by Al David



1: How do I get a publisher, label/artist to listen to my original music? And, how do I prepare/package my demo?

2: I was contacted by email by someone “in the business” who heard my music and wants me to sign a publishing/promotion deal. I constantly hear about people being scammed like this. How do I know if it’s legitimate?

3: Should I copyright my songs? If so, how do I do that?

4: Is there any real benefit to joining an organization such as Taxi or NSAI?

5: I write mostly country music. Nashville insiders say that I have to stick to their guidelines and formulas if I expect to have a major publisher seriously consider my music. But, so much of what I hear on the radio frequently violates many of those rules. Can someone intelligently explain that to me? It seems so contradictory!

6: When I feel my song is good enough to invest money in a demo; should I do a full scale production? Or, is a vocal with just guitar or piano backing adequate?

7: Is it really safe to post my songs on the numerous Internet sites that offer that service? Can’t someone just steal it or make a similar derivative work from it?

8: I’m a great lyricist/musician. But, I do not play an instrument/write lyrics. How do I go about collaborating with someone on the Internet? And, is it difficult?

9: Mom and Aunt Betty think my songs are great! But, how can I get a real and honest critique of my songs?

10: How much should a good demo/critique cost me?

11: I am very serious about my music. I’m pretty darned good! But, I want to be even better…professional quality work. What resources are available to take my skills to the next level?

12: I can’t convince a publisher or label to listen to my music. It really is great, though! Are there any other avenues to get my music heard by someone in the business?

13: Should I join a Performance Rights Organization (PRO), such as ASCAP, BMI or SESAC? And what, exactly, can they do for me?

14: I write some pretty darned good songs. But, I am not a performer. How do I get paid for my songs if a performing artist records them or plays them publicly?

15: I see dozens of songwriting contests all over the place. Are they legitimate, for the most part? And, has anyone ever achieved professional success by winning one?

16: I hear lots of really nice sounding songs on the Internet that people say they have recorded at home. Sounds complicated! How do I go about doing that?

17: Can I be my own publisher? If so, how do I do that?

18: I write/compose mostly country music. I’ve heard it said that you have to live in Nashville if you have any hope of succeeding in country music? Is that true?

19: How do I make an MP3 music file; and how do I upload it to the hosting site?

20: Is there really much money to be made as a songwriter or composer, rather than a performer?


Judy


#1049528 - 06/05/14 12:01 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Judy Hughes]  
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How do I send my songs to Taylor Swift so that she will record them on her next album?

Why hasn't Taylor written me back, praising my songs and enclosing a six figure check?

Why doesn't Taylor recognize good songs when they are sent to her?



Thomas Shea

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#1054723 - 07/28/14 05:43 PM Re: 10 Most Common Questions? [Re: Tom Shea]  
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I like pop/rock/alternative music. Sometimes formidable, often times not.
After 10 years there looks to be that few percent in the listenership that like it.
I am not hooked up to a local scene and have done what I did with it in my spare time.

My 2 biggest questions would be getting musicians around recordings that do not have to have things quite so and conventional around that and how to promote it.

I would like to take given tracks and see where the players might go from there.

I need more then just feedback with songs.

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