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#528468 - 08/05/07 06:56 AM Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!!  
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Not long ago I saw an essay on the internet expounding on how those of us from previous generations somehow survived without all the politically correct laws and luxuries that exist today, entitled "For those of us who survived the 40's 50's 60's and 70's" I thought this was a great topic for a song. I then wrote my new tune "Somehow We Survived It All", recorded a rough demo, and started to perform it in my clubs every night to great response. I thought I had FINALLY written a great commercial, pitchable song. Last week I performed it at Pineyfest {once again to great response} when one of our members {John Selleck} called to my attention that there was a new song getting airplay {by Bucky Covington}that had strikingly similar lyrics called "A Different World". I don't listen to radio {modern country, or otherwise} so I had never heard it. Today I googled it, and when I heard it, my heart sank to my feet! I found out who the author was {Jennifer Hanson, a fine writer who has paid her dues, and who obviously drew her inspiration from the very same essay!} I guess I must be doing something right to have inadvertently written a song so similar to a song that looks to be a big hit,and written by an established songwriter, but that's of little consolation to me now. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with her over who's song has been copyrighted first. It's of no use anyway, since we both obviously pilferred the same essay. I'll just tip my hat to her for beating me to the punch, lick my wounds, and go back to the drawing board. Has anyone else out there had a similar experience?

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#528469 - 08/05/07 07:00 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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#528470 - 08/05/07 07:21 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Noel Downs]  
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At the risk of sounding like a biased, bitter SOB {I am!] I still think MINE is better! {I'm sure Jennifer will concur while she's cashing her royalty checks!}

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#528485 - 08/05/07 11:01 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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Nothing wrong with writing two song on the same subject.If yours is better,no reason why it should not do well too.


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#528497 - 08/05/07 11:46 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Ain't it the truth Bob.
If anyone's familiar with Bluegrass, when "Lonesome STandard Time" came out, (Big hit in the field), I had a song with a publisher-Producer called "Lonesome Time" that was really quite similar. Being green at the time, I told him I thought they'd somehow stolen it. No way, says he and referred me to an "authority" and "he" says, well you probably have a case and you could take 'em to court but the chances are you're going to lose. I later came to the conclusion that, same as you, just a case of two people having the same idea at the same time.
When "3 Crosses On A Hill" came out--Randy Travis I think)I had a song 'Three Crosses" that'd never seen the light of day.
(The titles coulda' been reversed, it's been a while <G>)
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#528501 - 08/05/07 12:48 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Wyman Lloyd]  
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#528502 - 08/05/07 01:04 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Lee Arten]  
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Bob:

That's gotta hurt. I like the way you are able to look at the bright side anyway. Like you, I don't spend much time listening to the radio these days. I'm just too busy in my own little world trying to write at least one hit before the great tax collector pays me a final visit.

I'm not sure exactly how I'd handle the situation but, as you say, if they both sound strikingly similar, I'd probably defer doing anything if she's actually beat you to the punch with a copyright. (Same genre?) Could you do a mild re-write in a different genre? Some songs lend themselves to a variety of song styles, as you know.

It's good that you have scruples and recognize the proper way to handle things. It's also good that you know deep in your heart that you have written a great song.

All my best,

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#528503 - 08/05/07 01:20 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Dave Rice]  
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BC, If your audience likes it then keep playing it. After all it IS your song. I've had two expeirences like that. I wrote a song called "I Don't Dance Sober" about a guy who refuses to get on the dance floor at a bar until he has a few drinks. Lo and behold someone e-mailed me to inform me that I think it was Brad Paisly had a song called "Alcohol" about drunk dancers. I still play mine anyway. I wrote a song called "The Cow Song" about someone who couldn't figure out how to milk a cow. I later found out (don't know his name) that country comedian, the big guy with glasses who dyes his hair did a similer recording. It's funny how my ideas go out the other ear but someone with an established name gets their foot in the door with the same idea. Ben

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#528535 - 08/05/07 04:33 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: ben willis]  
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Bob,

First of all, I was one of those at Pineyfest that really enjoyed your song! I say keep singing it! Also, hope your gig in Indiana went fine, right after Pineyfest.

And yep, same thing happened to me in 1979. I wrote what I, and a few othetr folks, thought was a really good song with a lot of commercial potential called "Velvet Chains". Less than a month after we started performing it in our shows, Gary Morris, released a song of the same title that eventually made it to the Top 10 on the Country Music Charts. He had two more fairly big songs and then disappeared from the national charts, although he did remain a very hot commodity in and around Denver, CO. "The Wind Beneath My Wings"...Country version...was his next hit and it charted very nicely for him.

The titles were identical. Two lines differed by one word. Although the remainder of the song had substantially different words, the storyline was near identical. I was living in Germany at the time (lived there 12 years). So, we continued to play it on our shows. But, once I returnmed to the States, I never played out on a gig again.

Bummer, huh??!!

AL

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#528541 - 08/05/07 05:03 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Two Singers]  
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Yes, I have written one or two like that. The last one I posted the lyrics on here, and I was greatly criticised for copying someone else's work. I was even asked why I copied someone else's work. Beats me....I had never heard of the other song nor the songwriter. I still haven't looked up the lyrics to the other song to compare, but I still sing mine.


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#528573 - 08/05/07 06:04 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: John Webb]  
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That's strange, Al:

I also wrote a song called "Velvet Chains" and have not pushed it because of concern that it might be considered as plagerism. The two songs are similar only in title but... life's too short and I didn't think mine would crack the charts, anyway.

Still, an interesting coincidence. Thanks for sharing.

All my best,

Dave Rice

#528622 - 08/05/07 10:30 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Dave Rice]  
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I wrote a song called "Old Friend"......the melody sounds so familar to me like it's from another song.

I have never performed the song live yet. I keep playin' it for people and asking them if it sounds like another song and everyone keeps saying no.

If I can't figure out where the melody came from.....I guess I'll just start playing it live.

Thinking about the situation as a whole......there have been millions of songs written by so many different people. This kind of thing is bound to happen in the most random ways possible.


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#528630 - 08/05/07 10:47 PM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: DonnieWitt]  
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Hey Bob Many lyrics have been written about the same subject. A song in my opinion comprises of three different things, the tune, the lyrics and the performance. Surely your song has vast differences in all three areas. Therefore as a song it stands out alone. That must make you feel much better. Why not post it for us to compare with that awful song written by the woman who stole your idea.

#528741 - 08/06/07 04:49 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Bob,

I admit that i have been beaten to the punch at quite a few of my song ideas, the Hook for a song i wrote called the Alliteration game, was also the hook of a pop song around 2001/2002. ticked me off. but the songs were vastly different. Keep playing your song. put it on your cd. sell the hell out of it. You wrote it and reguardless of how similar to Jennifers song it may be. it is still yours.

on a silly note, (kind of feeling silly today i can hear artillary in the distance and it drives me silly every time the ground shakes.) heck i would never have witten "motel Arizona" or "escaltor to heaven" or "my girlfriend went down to georgia"
with the idea that i couldn't do songs that were even slightly similar. (none of those are real songs) but if i did, i would be perfectly in my right to do so. heck Tenacious d did a song about Stairway to heaven. and it was a hit. (tenacious d is a multi platinum artist)

How many songs are there about being in love? or beaking up? looks like you know what to read to get great song ideas, don't let go of something you put soo much work into..

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#528743 - 08/06/07 05:02 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: Sofa King Bixby]  
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You could always try to be loopy and make the lyrics spelled in different ways, syllables and odd sounds.
But something tells me that would'nt be your way.

Any set of lyrics that has any kind of universal meaning or word combining, or theme is bound to be hit on by someone else.

I recall that a college teacher once told me that an average of 2,000 people in this world are saying exactly the same words at the same time.

I don't know if that's something to be feared or not.

Could any of that slip through at the peace talks?

Matt

#528748 - 08/06/07 06:07 AM Re: Damn you Jennifer Hanson!!!! [Re: mattbanx]  
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There's one line I feel I have to change now. Both songs contain a line about drinking water from a garden hose {as opposed to bottled water} Thats just TOO similar for my taste.

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Hi Bob,

I enjoyed your song. And immediately thought of the one you mention here since I just heard it on the radio the about a month before Pineyfest. Hey, it was great to see you. And great minds think alike. It's a compliment that a lyric so similar wound up on country station. That's how I think of it. But, I felt for ya too as I wondered if you'd heard it yet.

Vanessa

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Hey BC
I knew it was similar, but I thought you knew that!!! I still enjoyed it, my wife did too. Keep playing it


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Bob, I was there when you sang Somehow we survived it all" at Pinevest at "Lyrics" and just today on the way to work, I heard "A different world". No wonder the song sounded so familiar. Why don't you post your lyrics, I would love to read what I heard at Pinevest.


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Sam,Will do.. I'm not the most computer savy person, so I don't know how to upload the MP3 of my demo. You all can google that essay
"For those who survived the 40's 50's 60's and 70's' to see where BOTH our inspirations came from, then you can go to Bucky Covington or Jennifer Hanson's Myspace sites to hear "A Different World" I've gotta run so I'll post my lyics to MY song here later tonight. John, Vanessa, and Herbie have all weighed in that they were familiar with "A different World" when they heard my song at "Pineyfest". People in Cincinnati don't seem to be as familiar with it. I just wonder.. as I was onstage at Pineyfest thinking I was debuting this way-cool new song, how many people were thinking "Wow., he ripped off that Bucky Covington song!"

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Bob,

Actually, I was thinking someone might have ripped you off (if you post things on lyric sites). But, now you've explained it with the essay. That old adage "there's nothing new under the sun" is so true.

Vanessa

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Hi Bob,

If misery loves company you have a friend. Same thing happened to me. Wrote a lyric that I liked called "I Am The Lucky One". Next day Faith Hill is singing a song by the same title. Her's was faster and from a female perspective, while mine would be slower and male vocal but the timing was off. I feel your pain.

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Here we go, as promised. The lyrics to "Somehow We Survived It All".. Keep in mind the vast majority of my songs are in the "Roots Rock/'Alt Country" genre, but with this one I was specifically trying to write a pitchable country song. I invite you all to Google the essay "For those who survived the 40's 50's 6o's and 70's, then check out "A Different World" by Bucky Covington to see the common thread. So now, without futher adeui {sic?}..
"SOMEHOW WE SURVIVED IT ALL"
copyright 2007 Bob Cushing

Verse 1
My old man had a Chevy Van to haul us kids around.
Two tons of steel, chrome Mag wheels, not a seatbelt to be found.
He'd drive that van cold beer in hand, a little buzzed as I recall.
Somehow we survived it all...

Verse 2

We played ball all day long, from the break of dawn,
til' the streetlights came on at night and our mothers called us home.
We chipped some teeth, cracked some bones, picked ourselves up when we'd fall..Somehow we survived it all.

Chorus
Somehow we survived it all..No video games, no cable channels, no shopping malls. All the freedom takers and lawmakers would surely be appalled..Somehow we survived it all..
Somehow we survived it all.

Verse 3
We ate dirt and we drank water from a garden hose.
And we'd never sue nobody over a bloody nose.
We crashed our bikes, we played war, and tackle football.
Somehow we survived it all.

Chorus

Bridge

No M.A.D.D, no S.A.D.D, no soccer moms, no helmet laws.
Lately I've been feeling like a rebel without a cause.
Cause' I must reveal I kinda feel for this generation's kids.
So I'll count my scars, and thank my stars I grew up when I did.

Verse 4

As we grew older and a little bolder, we had ourselves a time.
Long before the days when drink and smoke became a crime.
Now a middle aged wisened sage, I will stand tall..
Cause' somehow you see, my friends and me, we survived it all.

Chorus. THE END.

Thank you all for your words of solace/encouragement.
If nothing else, if the person who wrote that essay comes after anyone for plagerism, it'll be Jennifer and not me! {Hee HEE!}

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Someone approached me last night at my gig and said "I've heard you've written a song thats on the radio"...GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

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Funny! Sorry 'bout that.


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Vanessa,..Hardee Har Har!!!!... I had another encounter with one of my "regulars" a few weeks ago that I totally dismissed at the the time, but now makes perfect sense...He said "Man, I heard your new song on the radio the other day!" To which I replied, "That's cool, but you must be mistaken, cuz I haven't even recorded it yet!". He says, "No, I SWEAR it was your new song!"
GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

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You're amazing BC, your song was on the radio before you even recorded it? WOW...I am SO glad to know you, you warlock.

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I just got tickled at you growling. Not at what happened---heaven's no. You can growl. But, it ain't gonna help. Use all that energy to write one even better than that. I know you can do it. grin

Vanessa

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Vanessa, I'm gonna try {ain't no quit in THIS dog} Thanx for the encouragement! Then Herbie, I'll will it by osmossis to be on the radio before it's recorded!

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you were on the right path.

I'd be interested in seeing your lyrics and comparing them with her's.
I'd like to hear it as well.

I'd also be interested in seeing the original essay and comparing both lyrics to it.

I think Jennifer is married to Mark Neslar, another excellent songwriter.

Songwriters often write songs inspired by something they read
I call it "lyricising."

keep performing your song
while similar it goes different places

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Originally Posted by Bob Cushing
Not long ago I saw an essay on the internet expounding on how those of us from previous generations somehow survived without all the politically correct laws and luxuries that exist today, entitled "For those of us who survived the 40's 50's 60's and 70's" I thought this was a great topic for a song. I then wrote my new tune "Somehow We Survived It All", recorded a rough demo, and started to perform it in my clubs every night to great response. I thought I had FINALLY written a great commercial, pitchable song. Last week I performed it at Pineyfest {once again to great response} when one of our members {John Selleck} called to my attention that there was a new song getting airplay {by Bucky Covington}that had strikingly similar lyrics called "A Different World". I don't listen to radio {modern country, or otherwise} so I had never heard it. Today I googled it, and when I heard it, my heart sank to my feet! I found out who the author was {Jennifer Hanson, a fine writer who has paid her dues, and who obviously drew her inspiration from the very same essay!} I guess I must be doing something right to have inadvertently written a song so similar to a song that looks to be a big hit,and written by an established songwriter, but that's of little consolation to me now. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with her over who's song has been copyrighted first. It's of no use anyway, since we both obviously pilferred the same essay. I'll just tip my hat to her for beating me to the punch, lick my wounds, and go back to the drawing board.
Has anyone else out there had a similar experience?


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both are well written
hers is more concise
I love a lot of the imagery in yours

SOMEHOW WE SURVIVED IT ALL
copyright 2007 Bob Cushing

Verse 1
My old man had a Chevy Van to haul us kids around.
Two tons of steel, chrome Mag wheels, not a seatbelt to be found.
He'd drive that van cold beer in hand,
a little buzzed as I recall.
Somehow we survived it all...

Verse 2
We played ball all day long, from the break of dawn,
til' the streetlights came on at night and our mothers called us home.
We chipped some teeth, cracked some bones,
picked ourselves up when we'd fall..
Somehow we survived it all.

Chorus
Somehow we survived it all..
No video games, no cable channels, no shopping malls.
All the freedom takers and lawmakers would surely be appalled..
Somehow we survived it all..
Somehow we survived it all.

Verse 3
We ate dirt and we drank water from a garden hose.
And we'd never sue nobody over a bloody nose.
We crashed our bikes, we played war, and tackle football
Somehow we survived it all.

Chorus

Bridge

No M.A.D.D, no S.A.D.D, no soccer moms, no helmet laws
Lately I've been feeling like a rebel without a cause
Cause' I must reveal I kinda feel for this generation's kids
So I'll count my scars, and thank my stars I grew up when I did

Verse 4

As we grew older and a little bolder, we had ourselves a time.
Long before the days when drink and smoke became a crime.
Now a middle aged wisened sage, I will stand tall..
Cause' somehow you see, my friends and me, we survived it all.

Chorus


a different world

We were born to mothers who smoked and drank
Our cribs were covered in lead-based paint
No childproof lids
No seatbelts in cars
Rode bikes with no helmets
and still here we are
Still here we are

We got daddy's belt when we misbehaved
Had three TV channels you got up to change
No video games and no satellite
All we had were friends and they were outside
Playing outside

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

School always started the same everyday
the pledge of allegiance, then someone would pray
not every kid made the team when they tried
We got disappointed but that was alright
[A Different World lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]

We turned out alright

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

No bottled water
We'd drink from a garden hose
And every Sunday,
All the stores were closed.

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

It was a different world


The Essay that Inspired Both



TO THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's.......

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, bread and butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.


We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no internet or internet chat rooms.........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones a nd teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live in us forever.


We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!


Little league had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

And YOU are one of them. CONGRATULATIONS! Please pass this on to others who have had the luck to grow up as kids. . . .

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!



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WOW!...Ande, thanks for doing so much legwork!!! Well, there it is folks...in a nutshell for all to see....Also, along with being a fine writer AND being married to another established songwriter, Jennifer's father was a backing musician for Alabama among many others, so she is more or less a life-long insider. More power to her, that's why I started another thread on how one takes the first steps to BECOME an insider.

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Hey Bob re the first step to becomming an insider you could try Osmosis. Wait a minute Oz MOSIS did he not used to sing with Black Sabbath.

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Hi Ande R,

That was really neat what you did with posting the three different compositions.

Hope you are in a place way away from the coast of Texas. If you aren't, hope you are taking this storm seriously. The gulf waters are way too warm right now so I'm praying for a huge intervention for Mexico and TExas sakes as this storm keeps gathering strength.

Vanessa

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First, Bob, I think your song is very well written. As is hers. BTW, I was thinking there are three writers on "her" song, not just her alone.

Ya know what I thought when I heard Bucky's song? I thought "Oh boy, here we go AGAIN. It's ANOTHER example of something that tell you NOT to write about and this is a smash hit." Seems to me I have been admonished more than once NOT to write a song that the artist cannot relate to. AND his target audience, as well.

See, Bucky Covington cannot possibly relate to that song, he can't be old enough. That song is relating things someone my age would write. And I'm an old fart.

Anyway, that is what struck me.

I can hear the "experts" now... "BUT... Jennifer is an established writer..."

P.S. I also thought "Geez, I have written songs with this theme."

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Duke, my wife and I were discussing that point last night! Both Bucky and Jennifer are 20-somethings, and members of the very generation disparged in that song! Oh well, Johnny Cash never really shot anyone either! Hey, maybe I can pitch my song "Middle Aged Crazy" to Bucky!

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Hey Bob,
Somehow, I think you'll survive this all.

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Well Yikes,
Someone, (A friend), sent this to my daughter in an E-mail and she forwarded it to me. Didn't make the connection until I read Ande's post above. I laughed because I probably experenced more than a small bit of it in my life. Never thought of writing a song about it but it does have a lot of reality in it. I actually sent a message back to who ever sent it that they had been reading my "Book". The more things change the more they stay the same.


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Tom, you rule!{LOL}


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You're welcome
I think it's interesting to see the differences and similarities

what each of us needs to do is:
1) find song ideas as inspiring and universal as that essay
2) write the essay then
3) write the song that absolutely NAILS the concept and leaves not holes for someone else to come along and write it better.

The easier a song idea is to find, the more songwriters have found it and written their take on it.

by the way Bob, your aprroach is different enough
you should keep performing it.
People will get a kick out of the story.

Ande

Originally Posted by Bob Cushing

WOW!...Ande, thanks for doing so much legwork!!!
Well, there it is folks...in a nutshell for all to see....Also, along with being a fine writer AND being married to another established songwriter, Jennifer's father was a backing musician for Alabama among many others, so she is more or less a life-long insider. More power to her, that's why I started another thread on how one takes the first steps to BECOME an insider.


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Merle Haggard did a similar song some years ago. I think it is called "Are The Good Times Really Over For Good". I may be wrong about the title. It has the line "When coke was still cola, and a joint was a bad place to be." He is lamenting about the old days. Ben

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Yup, GREAT song!, and sadly, he wrote it long before things were as screwed up as they are now!


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Jennifer Hanson is one of the cowriters the other two are
Mark Nesler and Tony Martin
very big writers with many cuts
you can hear Mark's version of it at:
http://www.myspace.com/marknesler


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For the benefit of Airun...Bump


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Bucky made a point to say that he hadn't lived through the tales in his hit song but that he knew alot of folks that did and could appreciate where they were coming from and was grateful to have such a great song to sing, he saved this song to open his encore with...Bob, keep doin' what you're doing on the writing, your lyrical work, structure, etc. are right on, network, build that network of insiders.Keep writing great songs, that's the only way any of us have a chance is to keep writing great songs so we have a great song right there ready to go when we get that break. Moker

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Yours was pretty good bob, I am sure though thos earent the only 2 songs out there written like that and it is uncanny that in some parts it seems like you were thinkin the same thing but you said you read an essay and she might have too
maybe next time eh

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Hey-don't get discouraged! Sit on your song a couple of years.
Tim Magraw did a similar song several years ago. It's too soon to do anything with it now. But it could be in a couple of years.



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