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#1020642 - 08/22/13 06:22 PM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Michele Howlett]  
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Hi Michele,

Just realized I didn't reply to this
yes stay away from those abusive people who take advantage

"know what to watch out for in the future."
The problem is these people start out as charismatic handsome and charming plus when people fall in love, we tend to
1) project (giving them qualities we want them to have, but they don't)
2) magnify the positives &
3) minimize the negatives or just be completely blind to them
4) repeat, Life gives us lessons, and it tends to repeat the lesson until we really learn the lesson. We also tend to attract the same types of people, sometimes your new love could be similar to those we've already had relationships. The difference is, if you get any early warning signs you are in another abusive relationship, have the courage to end it sooner rather hanging on and taking the abuse.

good to hear you're songwriting.

It's nice to have a killer title but it's more important to have a killer idea, approach or melody


you can't copyright a TITLE!
but if you build a valuable business around it you can trademark it.
IE Margaritaville

yep don't wait, get to work. It's fun to think it's looking great but when the creative flow is done editing begins.
"this song is gonna ROCK!"


"As to the song "In a Minute" yes, it is a duo, Mum and Daughter song,(and thanks, you gave me a few other idea's for the song) grin Stan and I have achieved that, but before I post songs up now, I want to get the melody, go over the lyrics like a fine tooth comb with my producer, because I've found when Rodney starts writing the music for the song, Yep those lyrics can change, and it's all worth while when it's finished."
It's OK for lyrics to change, I tell my cowriters I am for whatever is better.


"Ande, your TIPS are excellent!"
thank you

Thanks for the FREE advice, because I financially live from week to week.
you're welcome

My main suggestion to any songwriter is:
"don't spend a lot of money on a song until it's strong enough and really ready."
Sometimes we're over eager to get something done.
Also search hard to find production sources that provide excellence and affordability.

Ande

#1036858 - 01/22/14 03:12 AM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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Hi Ande

Thanks for all your advice, I honestly really get it now hey. I'm now a VICTOR not a VICTIM, and can actually see that I won't be going into another abusive relationship ever again. I don't deserve not to be Loved, and I hope one day I do find the right man who will love me as much as I'd love him.

I have grown in myself a lot, and yes you are right, Harsh Lessons, I've learnt a lot on the way, they are so damn good at conning yah, but not this Aussie woman cause I can actually see it now, and I straight away remove myself from those types of people.

Ande, I used one of the 1-8 Chorus examples with Ms Perfect, grin and I was wondering would you mind showing me in a 1-4 1-5 1-6 1-7 of were the Hook should be in a chorus, as I'm currently working on a new song idea, and would appreciate your help.

As to finding an affordable producer, I have found him, Rodney is excellent, talented, and his fee's are very reasonable. smile

I noticed the views on your songwriting tips, Wow Ande. One day I hope one of my songs will get that many views. laugh

Thanks Michele


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#1063217 - 10/24/14 02:23 AM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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Crazy that this has now had over 400,000 views

#1063292 - 10/24/14 07:47 PM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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People get excited over busy and long posts. Same way on all message boards. The more traffic, the more traffic.


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#1063311 - 10/24/14 08:57 PM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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If you could only condense this thread into a Readers Digest story.

I wonder what name Airun is using now?...let me guess.

#1063416 - 10/25/14 05:36 PM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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You know something else about this post is an amazing lesson and it has NOTHING to do with songwriting. It has to do with PROFESSIONALISM and DEALING WITH TROLLS and LESSONS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE FIND SUCCESS IN THE REAL WORLD.... and all you need to do is read the visceral hatred spewed by Airun (a born tool if ever there was one) and the unbelievably professional way in which Ande deflected not only his venom, but even his legit attacks. Folks, if you want to know why people like Ande find success and others do not, you need not do more than read the first page or more of this topic. It's brilliant. His tips are solid, especially for someone learning to write a song, but his actions offer the best lesson that people who do anything professionally on line could learn a lot from.

I had actually forgotten about the discussion at the top until someone mentioned the troll and I thought, I need to take another look. Sometimes trolls do have their place in moving things forward. Of course they're almost always cowards of unimaginable proportions, like Airun who wouldn't just use his real name and take the consequences (he truly defines trolldom).

Write on, =)

Brian


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#1064501 - 11/03/14 01:05 AM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Dear Brian,

Thank you

I'd forgotten about airun. I just remember he was viscous mean and persistent at attacking me & Eventually.
http://www.broadjam.com/artists/songs.php?artistID=12856&mediaID=96362

http://www.broadjam.com/player/player.php?play_file=12856_96362

At some point I quit responding to his posts then blocked him.
All his posts show up as
*** You are ignoring this user ***

Some songs are lyrically sparse. Eventually is one of them. My lyric writing tips are tools not rules. I felt like he critiqued Eventually, a pop song, using country tools.

Melody and prosody are more important than lyrics. Songs like Yesterday or Unchained Melody or At Last don't have many words. When a song has few words, it makes room for interesting melodies. A recent example is Sam Smith's run away hit "Stay With Me"

[Verse 1:]
Guess it's true, I'm not good at a one-night stand
But I still need love 'cause I'm just a man
These nights never seem to go to plan
I don't want you to leave, will you hold my hand?

[Chorus:]
Oh, won't you stay with me?
'Cause you're all I need
This ain't love, it's clear to see
But darling, stay with me

[Verse 2:]
Why am I so emotional?
No, it's not a good look, gain some self-control
And deep down I know this never works
But you can lay with me so it doesn't hurt

[Chorus 3x]


But you know what? The melody is so amazing and his voice is gorgeous, I don't care. I feel no need to jump into the ridiculousness of saying, it's ok but I'd really like more imagery and story.

Each song has its own journey.

Also songs are art, they are our creations, at some point we need to have the courage to decide that when a song is done. Also, when you cowrite, you don't always get your way & sometimes the relationship is more important than being right or thinking you're right. Always separate song and writers, always approach with the intent to make the song better and people valued and appreciated.

What's interesting about Eventually was, I wrote the chorus, then invited Donna Aylor in on the lyric and we cowrote some country verses for it. Then we invited melody writer, Mark Oates in on the song and his 1st draft was kinda country blue grassy & uptempo. We immediately told him we didn't feel it matched what the lyric was about, being totally in love then suddenly dumped, heart broken, blindsided, aching for the one we lost, stuck in misery and futility.

As a side note Mike Reid & Allen Shamblin's early draft of "I Can't Make You Love Me" was uptempo and bluegrassy. The cowrite took several weeks, they had a break, after the break they got back together to finish the song. Mike told Allen I've got something I want you to hear. He played his rewritten version of "I can't make you love me" as an instrumental. It was the version we know. When Mike finished, he asked Allen what he thought of it and what he should change. Allen had no clue it was their song. He told Mike "That was the most beautiful amazing thing he'd ever heard and shouldn't change a thing." Then Mike told him, "It's our song "I can't make you love me" Then he played it again singing their lyrics.


Back to Eventually, Donna and Mark got together without me and totally rewrote Eventually's verses and bridge to what they are now. I wasn't part of that dialog, but I love what they did and totally support their choices. I am proud to be a cowriter of "Eventually." I'm happy to help people on their songwriting journeys.

Sometimes songwriters can be overly critical of other writers songs.
Sometimes songwriters are way more critical than fans.

But if you're a writer who's hoping for commercial success, you've got to develop your skills to a very high level, you've got to have the ability to be a tough self critic. The song game has changed, it's hard to get cuts, there are fewer acts, fewer songs & CDs sold. Many artists are also writers. Which is why labels now want 360 deals where they earn a piece of everything artists do.

If you want songwriting success, your best bet is to be an artist or find talented up & coming artists, songwriters or producers, get to know them as people, help them and cowrite with them or place songs with them. Also know if they get really successful, they get really busy and many might move on & up.

Brian, thanks for everything you've done over all these years, you are JPFolks but truly far from plain. Thank you especially for resisting the temptation to sell out in the early years during the internet boom. JPFolks is a great community and a true labor of love.

Ande


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#1080321 - 04/18/15 01:32 PM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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Last night I had the pleasure of witnessing Allen Shamblin performing
"I Can't Make You Love Me" and
"The House that Built Me"
In his story tellin he said this
http://youtu.be/onKsZTqGGn0


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#1097626 - 12/28/15 01:02 AM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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I hope these tips provide tools for folks to write stronger lyrics.


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#1120211 - 11/30/16 06:05 AM Re: Ande's Lyric Writing Tips [Re: Ande Rasmussen]  
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This post is deservedly one of the most viewed. Perhaps Ande will continue to add to it?


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