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Hello Writers,


I have been reading and reading post on this site concerning who's legit, how do I get publishing, where do I go from here, ect.



Anyway, because of the different posts that I have read over the past 2 years, I decided to ask some of the publishers that we deal with, what should a songwriter do to get their attention. Yesterday, I went to Horipro (www.horipro.com) to pick up new songs for a new artist. I talked to the VP (Butch Baker). In a nut shell this is what I was told. DO NOT just blindly send in your demos (It's trash food), make contact with publishers first or get in with someone that already has contacts with them, (for example: we have a guy that writes really well, when I visited Horipro I asked if someone would give him a listen, Monday I will be dropping off his project). They expect all demos to be professional. No just strumming a guitar and singing into a tape recorder (It's trash food) any demo needs to be a good enough quality that it does not need to be re-recorded before being pitched. This includes having good vocals as well as instrumentation. If a writer has written a song that would be good for a particular artist (re."Mississippi Girl" for Faith Hill) tell them! They prefer to have several songs from a writer (they don't want "one hit wonders" for publishing deals). Most ligit publishers DO NOT offer to critque songs for unknown writers. They don't have the time. But if things are handled in the right way and a writer has been invited to submit they will be told what was liked or disliked about their submission. All submissions should include written lyrics.

Monday, I have to go to SONY. I plan to ask them the same questions. I will post what they tell me.

I hope this will help some of you writers out there.


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Hey BM,
Welcome to the boards. You did not tell us what you do. A Record Label perhaps?

It is generally known that small publishers want a finished demo because they don't want to spend the money on a PRO Demo. It has also been noted from time to time that some want a raw demo, not a finished product.

I have just prepared an 18 song CD of some of my songs I will be sending out from time to time. All but two are finished demos. If you find someone that wants a copy let me know. They are all mainstream from uptempo to ballads.


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Hello BMB:

Thanks for your interesting post. Being from Nashville, you are in a position to do much more "intel" work than those of us in the outlands. I once worked in Nashville (not music related) and wish to goodness that I had known I would someday be a songwriter. Networking appears to be just as important initially as talent. Once the doors are wedged open, I suspect things are different, depending upon the success of the song.

Sure glad to have you among us. I look forward to your post about your Sony visit.

Ray Strode, as you will note from his posts, is a seasoned songwriter and always provides great advice. There are so many genuinely nice people here at JPF. I believe you will enjoy visiting JPF often.

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Thank you Bland,

This was not "bland" commentary but very interesting. Appreciate the favor and look forward to more insight.

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Hey Ray,

Thanks for the post. Yes, I can see where a small publisher will want all finished demos, but I think that if you are trying to get into a publisher (any publisher) you want to make the best impression possible. I deal with alot of publishers here in Nashville (don't know about the ones outside of here)and have seen first hand at the amount of demos they get everyday. Most don't make it pass the front desk simply because they were unsolicited. I'm sure that once a publisher knows who you are and plan to sign you to a publishing deal then they want to hear a ruff of the song before they pay to have a pro demo produced. As matter of fact I know they do.

You asked what do I do. Grunt work. Searching for songs, making sure all the paperwork is in order. Meeting with publishers, record labels, and media people for Artist & Repertoire (just a little advice when any of you are contacted by so called A&R people ask them what A&R stands for. I have had them tell me "artist representation" and some didn't know, it's a dead give away of a scam)and for writers legit A&R is for artist as in singers not writers unless you sing really well.

I work with new artists and writers that have a true chance of getting a real deal. Recording or publishing. I do accept songdemos. I don't belive that all great writers live in Nashville. Right now we are looking for M/F duo songs for a session on August 10th. This duo will be pitched to labels.

Ray, if you think you have something that may fit I would be honored to listen. You can send it to
BM Bland
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Lyric and Lynn thanks for your kind words. Lyric you are so right about networking. We that work in the music industry always say "There's no front door entrance to music row, someone has to take you in the back" you wouldn't believe how true that is. Good luck to you both.
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You also have to be careful what publisher signs your song. Some have very little clout or contacts,just hoping to snag a song that has potential,get it cut by a small indie artist and hope it catches on and gets the eye of some big name artist.If it doesn't catch on,they still hold your song because they did fulfill the getting it cut clause.


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Hi BMB:

Thanks for the reply. You, in effect, have opened a small portal to those of us interested about "insider stuff" (albeit lower tier) in Music City. It's nice of you to share. I hope Ray will take you up on your offer.

Keep it coming... we are all ears!

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BM,
Thanks for the invite. As a rule I don't have songs written for a male/female duo but there are always songs that can be easily adapted for the request.

A lot depends exactly what type of song you are looking for. If you are looking for a love song such as Tim and Faith did not too long ago your best bet may be the publishers in Nashville.

If you are looking for breakup type songs I may have something that will fit.

I would like to know what kind of luck you are having in getting songs from publishers in Nashville. A publisher I worked with told me of an artist who went to Nashville looking for original songs but the Publishers wouldn't let him have any original songs so he had to do covers.

Everett as I read it BM is getting Artists ready to sign with a Label so I wouldn't worry about signing away any publishing until there was a release in the works. Then you would need to examine the deal carefully.


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Ray,

Your songs don't have to be written for a duo or demoed for one. The last duo we produced, none of the chosen songs were written or demoed that way. The final songs haven't been selected yet (I have to pick more up from SONY tommarrow),medium and up tempo songs would be good. I would like to hear your break up songs. The M of the duo is going through one right now. Your songs may be someting he can relate to.

As far as getting songs from publishers, they freely give us what ever we're looking for. Sometimes if our producer has the time, he will go the offices himself and sit for hours listening to songs. But he is very respected here in Nashville. Alot of publishers will have two or more libraries. For example SONY has one that they offer to the average Joe or unknown producers, these are songs that have been turned down a 1000 times by major artist, are by unknown writers, or that have already been released. Then there is the A list demos these are the ones we have access to, but if we choose a song to record and a major decides to cut it, it doesn't matter if we are 1 hour from our session, we have to relinquish it to the major. We had that happen with Alan Jackson last year. Alison Krauss was producing him and picked a song by Kim McClean that our artist was to record. We had to drop it and then they didn't even release it. But on the bright side we did record 3 other Kim songs. But keep in mind we are not a recording mill for indi artist that want to make it big. Our producer only takes on about 4 or 5 artist a year to produce and pitch.

Everett, I'm not into the publishing end of things yet. We have been considering it, but at this point if we record a song by Ray or any other writer without a publisher, they hold their own publishing. If an artist gets signed and the label releases the project, the writer stands to receive royalties for both writer and publishing.


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BM,
Thanks for the clarifation. I will get you a submission out tomorow.


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Hello again, BMB:

Do you folks do any genres other than Country? Maybe Blues? Latin-Pop? Pop Ballads? M-O-R? Novelty/comedy? Jazz Ballads? If so, I'm sure that I'm not the only one interested. (I do Country too!)

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Lyric,

We have produced all genres except rap (other than christian rap, we had 1 project for a Youth church in AL. They have sold over 15,000 copies so far). Alot of country, all types of gospel (within it's self covers most genres), R&B, jazz, hip hop, ect. We are also sub-contracted by several song demo companies to do some of their demos (Usually the ones that need original melodies written) and contracted by several publishers in Nashville to do demos for well known writers as well as the writers that don't have publishing deals and foot the bill themselves.

Our producer will produce all the above, but only pitches astist that are country/southern rock, gospel, gospel cross over country, and rock / hip hop.


If he comes across a really promising writer he doesn't hesitate to drop a full project off to one or more publishers during his visits (with the writer's permission). He is a firm believer in the writer and feels that if there were no writers there would be no artist, therefore no music.

I hope this answered your question without too much over kill.



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Hey BM,

It is good in this day and age to see someone who is upfont and not touting for business. Best of luck with your current project, and keep the intersting snippits coming. They make a refreshing change.

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Hi BMB:

Thanks for the prompt reply. Your producer sounds like a real trooper.

All my best,

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Hi BM Bland ..
Nice to meet you. Glad you came out of the shadows and joined in to share your insite at JPF.... some good basics often discussed here.
The question I struggle most with is how much production do I really need for a demo. Except for a couple of songs that have full production, all my demos are recorded in studio with guitar and vocals only. Reason is $$$. Realistically, I can't afford to have all my "future hits" demoed with a full production right from the start. There have been occasions I have been told by the publisher a song has potential to be pitched but not as is ... in that case I am more than ready to put the money for the full production; however, I wonder how often a song didn't make the cut because it was not all fancied up.
Wish I had a "duo" song to send your way .. nothing at the moment.
Look forward to hearing more .. get back to us on SONY

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Hi Joanne,

I would imagine that submitting your demos would be alot like an interview for an important job. You would want to look your best. (If you know that a song is great, you want it to sound great.)Once you have the attention of the employer you may be able to slowly let your guard down. You have to keep in mind that these people get 100's of demos every week, that's what you're up against. Remember you only get one chance to make a first impression.

I went to CD baby and listened to afew of your songs, I like your style and encourage you to keep trying. When I go downtown today I will ask them this question.



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was enjoying reading your post, very helpful, then it kindof dawned on me, hey I've got one that would be a good duet. Ok, great duet. You can listen to it on my soundclick site, if you'd like. It's called "For Richer Or Poorer"
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Originally Posted by Louis quoting Thoreau
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away."


Wow, does that bring back memories! At one time it was a sort of mantra to me.




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You know, it kills me to accept that you are absolutley right.. but I do know that you speak the darn truth. smile
Joanne

ps .. thanks for listening to my music.. appreciate the encouragement.

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Louis that was a very pretty song. Could be a very simple wedding song also. I love the melody in the chorus but wanted the last words of each line to go higher although I harmonized it high as you sang it low and it sounded real good. I think the addition of a bridge would be a plus also. Something like:

Possible Bridge:
We never know what may come our way,
Sunshine skies or clouds of gray,
However good or bad things get,
Darling you need not forget...

For richer or poorer, etc. etc.

The bridge would give it more length since the verses are so short and add alittle contrast. Very pretty Louis. I had never heard that one of yours before.

Sorry this isn't a critique thread but I couldn't resist.

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you know Lynn, that's really a good idea about a bridge, never even crossed my mind, I'll play with it. thanks smile


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Dear All Friends,

My trip to SONY/ATV was a little different than the trips that have been made there before. Before I never questioned anyone about how to submit material. (Thank You Breana for answering my questions.) Well unfortunately a new writer has little hope of getting anything into them without some serious connections. All of their mail is sent to a whole different place to be sorted. They only accept material from contracted writers or through someone/business or legal representative that is already known to them.

With that aside, when they do listen to new mat. from a new writer they expect the demo to be of the best quality (professional demo),Breana made a good point today "If a new writer doesn't believe enough in their own material to drop money into it, then why should a publisher?". She also said that if a song was written with a particular artist in mind, tell them, the person listening may not pick up on your intention. All songs MUST have lyric sheets included. They also prefer to have at least 6 songs from a writer. It's important that submissions are cutting edge, (not a song you wrote when "He Stopped Loving Her Today" was a current hit.) Times and music styles change. Writers need to be aware of that. SONY's only focus is on their current and up coming artist.

The above it pretty much verbatim of what I was told today, but on the bright side, we have an appointment in three weeks to submit one of our writer's project. Wish Trey Earnhardt luck.


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Hello again, BMB:

Thanks for your insightful posts to those of us out here in the "Netherworld." (Anywhere 50 miles away from Nashville!) LOL!

Your trip to Sony/ATV and the reply you received about "Pro Demos" only points out the crux of the problem for songwriters.

Most of us live in places that do not have studios capable of creating a "Nashville-sounding" demo. Many, including myself, simply resort to doing the best we can with what we've got. Of course, I believe in my music but I'll be darned if I'm gonna spend $700 for a demo so some intern on music row can make whatever claim he/she wants to turn it down. As you stated, they make it almost impossible to get thru the doors anyway. If I produced a Nashville demo of every song I want to pitch, I'd be on poverty row and never make it to music row.

Forgive my seeming negativity. It's just so very hard for songwriters who don't aspire to be artists to get up the ladder in today's music world. I have a songwriter acquaintance here in Texarkana who regularly sends his stuff to Nashville for demos at $700 a shot. He writes well and most of his songs sound better (after the studio treatment in Nashville) than anything you hear on the Radio today. If he did not have a high-paid managerial position, he could not afford to play this game. Even worse, he still can't get through the "golden" doors.

I was surprised to see that Sony wants six songs on a Demo CD. Most outfits blanch at three. Everything I've ever read states that they would be pleased as punch if we only send them one song.

In my opinion, the songwriter is going to get screwed out of 50% of the proceeds by the publisher. (Assuming he/she ever get published.) Then will be further nailed with the expenses of the Pro-demo and then have to pay back any advances received from the watered-down proceeds. The proceeds from record/CD sales will be doled out months after the Label enjoys using the funds to collect bank account interest. How in heaven's name does a songwriter ever climb out of the deep hole represented by the music biz? (I already know the answer!)

Maybe now you understand why so many of us are forced to go the "Indie" route and be our own publishers, send our CD's or digital albums to outfits like CDBaby so iPodders can download them and make us a little money.

Please don't take this as a "rant" against what you are doing for us. You represent the "messenger" and I know that Sony and other big outfits are also doing everything possible to stay afloat. In the end, I believe it still comes down to having a demo which represents tremendous commercial possibilities and by having very strong networking connections.

Thanks again for your efforts on our behalf. You are a unique resource to us.

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HIDee Mr Bland, & Many Thanks for Spreadin' Some Hope among the Great Buncha Talented Folks here at JPF!

I'm onea those Older Guys who's prettymuch given up on The Label Deal (I play Zero Instruments/Memorize Poorly) but LOVES to Write/Sing my own Demos, 4 Better or Verse.

Got 6 CDs at <www.CDBaby.com/TampaStan>...here's 6+ Titles ya might like Samplin' there, Your Time Permittin', & I hope to hear back from ya...(Someday, maybe?) ;-)>

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I LOVE "Assignment Songs"...(Just got an upcoming cut on a Phillipine Christmas CD.) I NEED a Good Music Person to Write With/Very Open to Suggestions.

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What surprises me is that many long time songwriters here and everywhere keep asking the same questions over & over. What kind of quality should my demo be? What should I submit?
I appreciate the info on this thread but everything mentioned here we should know within the first year of writing and shopping songs.

If you haven't figured out what a publisher is looking for by now, oh boy! smile
I would love to have info/leads we don't know, that's not in every 101 songwriting book.

Any suggestions?

Bland - In your many services, does your service have access to publishers with real solicitation, ones most can not submitt to? You mentioned Horipro in the first thread. Are you willing to invest in material and shop, it is that part of what you do?

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My Dearest Dave,

I really hate that my report on SONY has put a big damper on you. Keep in mind that they are probably the largest publisher here in Nashville. There are many other well respected publishers that are alot more friendly and don't have the security problems (which is why SONY has changed their procedurals over the past few years). The info that I have been posting is for the writer looking for a publishing contract. That's why most of the publishers want several songs, a publisher may just offer publishing on just a single song but would have to have more before offering a publishing contract. I can understand and do understand all the issues that go along with writing.

I do know that respected publishers work hard, why wouldn't they. The only way they make money is if they get cuts. Yeah of course they want to have a #1 song but make just as much off a #1 CD. The writers of the other cuts make just as much as the writer that wrote the smash hit off that CD's sales. Unfortunatly, writers have chosen to engage in a very competitive art and it's important to sound your best.

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Hello again, BMB:

How in heaven's name does a songwriter ever climb out of the deep hole represented by the music biz? (I already know the answer!)



Dave Rice


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Get as many people, friends, family, co-worker ect. to listen to what you think are you're best songs, pick out at least 6 or 7. Ask them to rate them in the order of favorite to least favorite, complile the info, ask them why they feel the way they do. Beg them to be brutely honest, promise them you wont get mad and it you will not interfer with your relationship. Take the top three have them demoed professionally (you can send them to us if you like I'll have our producer demo all 3 for $750 (5 piece),$900 (6 piece) $1050 (7 piece)that's our cost, I'll even trough in 10 professional copies for $12 bucks (10 for the copies 2 for the postage), have the others just demoed the way you always have. DO NOT waist your time sending to publishers out side of music industry cities (LA, Nashville,NY ect). What good can a publisher do if they are sitting in Idaho and they are searching for songs in Nashville. Most all song pitching is done person on person. Make your contacts. Don't stop there. If you don't mind working with indy labels, artist and small studios contact several. A songwriter here named Don Delaposta has made a fortune by having his songs professionally demoed, offering the tracks to studios to use for indy artist. They order 1000 cd's and he is paid $100.00 for each cut (a higher rate than royalties). He made over $100,000 last year he invested $25,400 having 21 new songs demoed on the low side he made $74,600 the studio made money because they just let the artist sing to his provided tracks, the artist had original material and not forced to do covers. He has developed a tremendous libray. This is just one of the writers I know that does this. He has beat the music biz and is making a handsome income doing it.



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Mike,

I have only been trying to give writers direct info from publishers here in Nashville. Yes, it may be info that you already know and I'm sorry if it's not useful to you.

Our company has just recently opened it's doors to take on public work. Up until now we were as hard to get to as the publishers and labels so many despertly seek. And I'm not sure if we will keep the portals open. We have grown alot in the past 10 years and our producer has worked with and still works with some of the biggest names in the music industry for recording companies and publishers for over 25 years, so to your question do we have access? YES. Is it a service we offer, NO.


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Hi again, BMB:

Thanks for your informative reply. As always, your info is appreciated. Have no fear, I will continue the struggle until success is achieved or the man who drives the long black van picks up my remains.

I hope that you remember most of us here are just songwriters, not entertainers. Of course I sing... I can't afford to have somebody else perform my songs. (I know, you will tell me that I can't afford not to have it done!) But wait (as they say on TV) you haven't heard my golden voice yet! LOL!

BTW, I mailed you a Honky-tonk single yesterday. I hope you will have the time to listen. Should you and/or your producer like it, please remember there are more than 500 more where that came from. (It could be performed by a duet, as just a single... or a full production by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. LOL!)

Thanks so much for continuing to listen to our whining. We don't get alot of love in this deal and you provide the key ingredient that powers our songwriting engines, HOPE!

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Dave,

I'll be looking for your demo. I look forward to listening to it.


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To all you folks that have made your music available to me,

First I want to thank you for alowing me the honor.

I will be spending most of my day tomarrow listening to them. I have already found 2 from one of the folks here (since he contacted me through our sight, I don't feel free to name names)that I think I will present to the producer to listen to . Hopefully he will add them or at least 1 of them to the ones that he will offer the artist. Got to have it all done by Thursday thou.


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I can understand that these guys don't want to invest in making a song listenable but I find it curious that they require full proffessional production. That is kinda like saying only those with money can write good country songs worth listening to... yet in all that .... for many... those who came through the school of hard knocks usually made the better songsmiths... JMO

Like all things I guess the wheel will turn again and this will open an opportunity for many new song companies to form and promote artists with a catalouge of songs by those with out big bucks backing...

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This all reminded me of something my mother and numerous other very successful people told me when I was young.....

"99% of success is not based on what you know..but more on who you know."

Great information here...thanks for the hard work Bland (and everyone else).



Hey just a dumb question...Lets say you come across someone who isn't really pursuing the publishing deal or recording contract but they are absolutely amazing? Can a person refer/recommend someone else?? Would they(they decision makers) even venture to look at the other person?


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Hey BM Bland,
It's been a while since we've spoken. As you know, I write a little bit of gospel. I don't understand the six song thing either. I have talked with a few gospel companies in the past and they never wanted more than three or four. I also understand about demo quality. But, if I was as good as the pros were or had the money to fork out for a demo every time I wrote a song, I'd be producing music myself. smile

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David,

Hey it good to see you're still kickin'.

The two publishers that I visited for this post were asked this question "If a writer is trying to get a publishing contract with this company, what would you like to have from them?". The trick word here is publishing contract. I was just informed that I need to pick up more songs from Horipro tomarrow, I'll ask them afew more things to help answer some of the questions posted, but they did tell me that they prefer pitch quality demos. Which means pro. The publishers don't produce the demos for their contracted writers, they hire people like us to do them. Yes they pay for the demo but under most contracts the cost of the demos are deducted from the writers proceeds if the song gets cut, so in most cases the writer pays for the demo anyway. Just like any advance given to an artist is taken back once money starts rolling. Maybe that's what alot of people don't understand. But my questions will be a little more taylored tomarrow to help answer some of these questions.


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Originally Posted by BM Bland

Yes they pay for the demo but under most contracts the cost of the demos are deducted from the writers proceeds if the song gets cut, so in most cases the writer pays for the demo anyway. Just like any advance given to an artist is taken back once money starts rolling.


Which is no investment upfront for folk that come through the school of hard knocks... for songs that will possibly never get listened to let alone cut.

There is a world of difference between a pitchable demo and a pro demo... one I thought was so folk could hear the song, the other to sell an artist/ group ... but again I wouldn't really know... smile




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Originally Posted by BM Bland
My Dearest Dave,

Songwiters try this,

Get as many people, friends, family, co-worker ect. to listen to what you think are you're best songs, pick out at least 6 or 7. Ask them to rate them in the order of favorite to least favorite, complile the info, ask them why they feel the way they do. Beg them to be brutely honest, promise them you wont get mad and it you will not interfer with your relationship. Take the top three have them demoed professionally (you can send them to us if you like I'll have our producer demo all 3 for $750 (5 piece),$900 (6 piece) $1050 (7 piece)that's our cost, I'll even trough in 10 professional copies for $12 bucks (10 for the copies 2 for the postage), have the others just demoed the way you always have.


I appreciate your visting the publishing company on everyones behalf to ask the questions to start this thread. I think that this post to Dave would have even been a better introduction.


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Thank you BM for taking the time to listen to nearly 50 songs on that site,and thank you for choosing two that you think might have possibilities for the artist you are working with.Hope at least one makes it.


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Thanks BMB:

I'll be looking forward to hearing from you about the one song demo. I'm also glad to read posts on this thread from Mike Caro (SubStudio) whom I consider to be a stalwart in the JPF community.

Noel Downs:

You hit the nail squarely on the head with your post about demos and demo "quality." I do produce and publish my own. Got tired of begging or waiting. I always try to remind folks to whom I'm pitching songs to please remember, I'm just trying to get the gist of the song across so somebody with real talent can take it to the next level. I'm a songwriter... not an entertainer. I would not have it any other way... unless a team of Wall Street Investors beat in my front door and promised me I wouldn't have to tour. (LOL!)

Everett:

I hope BMB was talking about your songs in the last post. Of course, it could be that rising star from Brunswick, Ray Strode.

Good luck to all of you... and thanks again, BMB for your sharing and sensitivity. It's almost as good as "money from home."

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Who told you I was a rising star? It's supposed to be secret. You're going to ruin my reputation. Bah Humbug.

I hope someone here has some sucess.


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Sorry, Ray:

I forgot about the "secret." Let's just pretend I never mentioned it and maybe it will remain "below the radar" until the night of the "Premier."

Anchors away,

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Hey Everyone,

Please bare with me. It's been a doosy of a day for me. A little later I will be posting the response I received today.

But, I want to ask any of you that have the time to go to our web site and tell me what you think of a song we just demoed. I've been chomping to get some input. I'm going to do another post for this so if you would put your feedback there to keep it seperate from this thread. I thank you in advance.

What you need to do is go to www.musiccitymusicgroup.com I have added JPF just under the Rejoyce Records logo. Click on JPF it should take you to a blank page (give it a minute to load)


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Originally Posted by Lyric9
Thanks BMB:

I'll be looking forward to hearing from you about the one song demo. I'm also glad to read posts on this thread from Mike Caro (SubStudio) whom I consider to be a stalwart in the JPF community.

Noel Downs:

You hit the nail squarely on the head with your post about demos and demo "quality." I do produce and publish my own. Got tired of begging or waiting. I always try to remind folks to whom I'm pitching songs to please remember, I'm just trying to get the gist of the song across so somebody with real talent can take it to the next level. I'm a songwriter... not an entertainer. I would not have it any other way... unless a team of Wall Street Investors beat in my front door and promised me I wouldn't have to tour. (LOL!)

Everett:

I hope BMB was talking about your songs in the last post. Of course, it could be that rising star from Brunswick, Ray Strode.

Good luck to all of you... and thanks again, BMB for your sharing and sensitivity. It's almost as good as "money from home."

All my best,

Dave Rice



Thanks Dave,yes BM did show interest in two of my songs,keep your fingers crossed,there is many a slip between cup and lip.I also had another party email me today showing interest in two different songs.Do I see my ship coming in the harbour.LOL


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Originally Posted by Lyric9
Thanks BMB:

I'll be looking forward to hearing from you about the one song demo. I'm also glad to read posts on this thread from Mike Caro (SubStudio) whom I consider to be a stalwart in the JPF community.

Noel Downs:

You hit the nail squarely on the head with your post about demos and demo "quality." I do produce and publish my own. Got tired of begging or waiting. I always try to remind folks to whom I'm pitching songs to please remember, I'm just trying to get the gist of the song across so somebody with real talent can take it to the next level. I'm a songwriter... not an entertainer. I would not have it any other way... unless a team of Wall Street Investors beat in my front door and promised me I wouldn't have to tour. (LOL!)

Everett:

I hope BMB was talking about your songs in the last post. Of course, it could be that rising star from Brunswick, Ray Strode.

Good luck to all of you... and thanks again, BMB for your sharing and sensitivity. It's almost as good as "money from home."

All my best,

Dave Rice



Thanks Dave,yes BM did show interest in two of my songs,keep your fingers crossed,there is many a slip between cup and lip.I also had another party email me today showing interest in two different songs.Do I see my ship coming in the harbour.LOL


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Oopps,sorry for the double posting.

BM I liked the songs and the demo,is this done in your studio,how much would that one cost?


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Hi BM!

I'd like to begin by sayin' I'm glad after 2 years you decided to stop lurking in the shadows and join in the fun. smile It's nice to "meet" ya.

Now....I have to admit, I'm one of those "newbies" who hasn't even tried to profesionally demo anything yet, much less begin solicitation. So...the info you are giving is truly helpful to those like me (no offense intened to your response, Mike) and I want to say thank you for taking the time to post it. It also brings up more questions that I wouldn't have thought to ask myself because I haven't jogged this block before.

I do have a question that should be fairly simply to answer though (no research necessary, that is). You mentioned that your company does demos...I'm new to this, so if this is a stupid question, please forgive me...but is that with vocals? Or is it simply the melody??? Had to ask ya know. Of course my granny always told me that the only stupid question is the one you don't know the answer to and DON'T ask. grin

Anyway....thanks again for the insight.

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Dear Bree,

Thank you for your kindness. These are not stupid questions.

All deomos are with lead vocals and writers receive both tracks with vocals and without. (Just in case yo want ta get up and show off your own beautiful voice.) If you happen to be a lyricist and need an original melody we can creat that too for you.. We don't charge any extra for that because legally whoever creats it becomes a co-writer, just thought I would mention that since you're new.

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Dear All,

Sorry, yesterday started off like a nightmare. I awoke to a fridge defrosting and water from melting ice coming from the dispenser and I HAVE HARDWOOD FLOORS AAAAAH!. Once the repair guy got it fixed, I spent most of the day listening to submissions from you folks.

There is a bunch of talent on this sight. I had 5 songs that I passed to the producer and if he likes any of them, they will be presented to the artists. Anyway that's how that works. He chooses between 15 to 25 songs that he feels suits (in this case a M/F duo) They are allowed then to choose 10 from them. If they don't agree on ten then back to the publishers we go.

I did go back to Horipro to pick up more songs, Mr. Baker wasn't there so I spoke to Amy. Asked her afew questions

I asked:
Can a person recommend someone else?

Answer:
This is done everyday, but done for a writer that has no interest in having his/her song published, why waste everyone's time? We deal with represenatives everyday.

Asked:
Will Horipro accept demos that are not industry standard or what we call pro demoed songs.

Answer:
We ask for pro demos but writers need to know, we are not producers and have a hard time envisioning what is beyond what we receive. We don't put alot of effort in to listening beyond poor production. When we do agree to listen to a writer that has no writing history, we like to think (and most other publishers do too) that we give the best opportunity we can for them to present hopefully their best to us. We don't want to pass on great songs just because "we didn't get it." and I'll tell you first hand, bad vocals and out of tune instruments are hard to ignore to focus on the message of the song. That's why we ask for good demos. It's the fairest way to everyone.

She didn't have alot of time and neither did I, but I hope this will give you all a little view into the publishing world.


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Aha, BMB:

The plot thickens. Sorry bout the fridge. Ain't life grand sometimes? Sometimes, things just seem destined to happen at exactly the wrong time.

Thanks for your shared info. We are all absorbing things we may have otherwise never known.

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Originally Posted by BM Bland
Mike,

I have only been trying to give writers direct info from publishers here in Nashville. Yes, it may be info that you already know and I'm sorry if it's not useful to you.

Our company has just recently opened it's doors to take on public work. Up until now we were as hard to get to as the publishers and labels so many despertly seek. And I'm not sure if we will keep the portals open. We have grown alot in the past 10 years and our producer has worked with and still works with some of the biggest names in the music industry for recording companies and publishers for over 25 years, so to your question do we have access? YES. Is it a service we offer, NO.


Bland

Okay so there's no publishing involved, So your taking submissions from folks here to give what you guys feel is best to consider for artist you guys know to cut and promote?
Who are these artists? What's there status?

Who pays for the cost of recording the songs for your artist?

If it gets to the stage where your artists do some of our songs what then?

Maybe I'm the only one, but I have a many many real questions.

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Hello BM,

Some very good information in this post, but like Mike, I had to scratch my head and and say no duh! Tell me something I don’t know. Give me some info I can use! It also continues to amaze me when songwriters are told what they need to do and then argue all the reasons why they can’t do it. Demo’s cost too much; I’m not in Nashville, etc. etc. Please.

Your reference to Don Dellaposta, (his name is Bob by the way) is interesting. Yes, he’s making a living licensing tracks all over the place. But as a true songwriter, do I want 100 bucks to hear my music end up as background for a tooth paste commercial in Japan? He deals in quantity. Makes what he can and moves on. It’s a living, nothing wrong with that. He's very successful.

Now, after reading all your information, the bottom line, which I always like to get to, is your company is a demo house. Right? Wrong? Your comment would then make sense as to why you say Sony requires six demos per submission.

No something’s askew with this whole thread. Maybe it’s just me, I’ve been cranky lately.

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