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ISMAEL RECORDS, AN INDEPENDENT RECORDING LABEL OUT OF SAINT PETERSBURG FL, HAS JUST CONTRACTED THE MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS EXECUTIVE OF MICHAEL JACKSONS THRILLER/BAD/ ALBUMS AS ITS NEW IN HOUSE MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS PRESIDENT. OTHER MEGA RECORDING ARTIST SUPERSTARS WHO HAS ALSO HAD THEIR CDS MARKETED AND PROMOTED BY THIS POWERHOUSE EXECUTIVE ARE SADE, TYRESE, ALICIA KEYS, BIG MIKE, SCARFACE, THE GHETTO BOYS, EARTH WIND AND FIRE, PATTI LA BELLE, MAZE, NATALIE COLE, LUTHER VANDROSS, THE CLASH, BASIC BLACK, SANTANA, THE OJAYS, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, OAKTOWN357, MAXI PRIEST, BRANDY, JUST TO NAME ONLY A FEW. THIS POWERHOUSE EXECUTIVE IS ALSO FORMER ACTING VICE PRESIDENT OF MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS FOR CBS/EPIC RECORDS, WHICH IS A PART OF SONY MUSIC. NOW YOU! CAN HAVE YOUR CD NATIONALLY DISTRIBUTED, RADIO AIRPLAY, LIVE RADIO STATION INTERVIEWS!, SHOWS, PLUS! GET YOUR CD TO OUR 5,000 RETAILERS OPERATING MORE THAN 25,000 STOREFRONTS AND LEADING INTERNET SALES, GET SOUNDSCAN, GET YOUR CD MARKETED AND PROMOTED JUST LIKE THE ABOVE SUPERSTAR RECORDING ARTIST, FROM THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS EXECUTIVE IN THE MUSIC WORLD TODAY. OUR FEE IS $30,000 PIRIOD!. POP, RAP, HIP HOP, GOSPEL RECORDING ARTIST, IF YOUR TIRED OF SPINNING YOUR WHEELS, THEN TRY US, OUR MOTTO IS, WE GET YOU OUT THERE!. ITS NOT ABOUT HOW GOOD YOU ARE, OR HOW GOOD YOU THINK! YOU ARE, ITS ABOUT WHO YOU KNOW!, WE ARE THAT! WHO YOU KNOW!. CEO/PRESIDENT/ISMAEL/ISMAEL RECORDS/PROMOTIONS AND MARKETING CAN BE REACHED AT, CEO70777@AOL.COM, AGAIN OUR FEE IS $30,000 IF YOU STILL LOVE SPINNING YOUR WHEELS THEN DONT! CONTACT US, BUT IF YOUR READY TO BE PUT ON THE MUSIC WORLDS RADAR, THEN GIVE US A HOLLA.

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You drop Michael Jackson's name and a 30,000 dollar fee and you think someone would actually find that appealing? You are a label who charges for marketing help, but this is your best ad pitch? And you don't even have a website to demonstrate your marketing prowess? Seriously?

I think you guys have a lot of work to do.

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WE REALLY DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK, OUR FEE IS OUR FEE, WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, STOP HATING. HOWS THAT?

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You might want to learn how to spell "hating" before you claim someone is doing it.


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YOU CLAIM THAT WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, YOU CLAIM THAT ANY ONE IS WELCOMED TO THIS SITE, WE ARE AN HONEST FIRM , WE JUST CONTRACTED WHO WE SAID WE HAVE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REMOVE OUR POST THEN JUST REMOVE THE POST AND STOP! HATING! ON HONEST FIRMS JUST STARTING OUT TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, OK?. YOUR TRUE COLORS ARE STARTING TO SHOW. CORRECTED THE WORD HATING, HAPPY NOW?

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YOU MIGHT WANT TO STOP SHOWING OTHERS YOUR TRUE COLORS, ITS ALRIGHT BECAUSE WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, AS YOU SAY? AS LONG AS IT DOSENT STEP ON YOUR TOES RIGHT?

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ALSO, YES, WE CAN THROW MICHAEL JACKSONS NAME AROUND, AND EVERY OTHER NAME WE HAVE MENTIONED, WHY? BECAUSE THATS! WHO WE NOW HAVE UNDER CONTRACT. OK? OUR NEW IN HOUSE MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS EXECUTIVE HAS! INDEED MARKETED AND PROMOTED EVERY NAME WE HAVE MENTIONED.

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OF COURSE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT WE JUST CONTRACTED THIS EXECUTIVE, THAT! IN ITSELF! TOOK WORK!.

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Ismael,

You want a lot of money to represent artists. If you do a poor job representing yourself (as is apparent here) why would you do a better job for your clients? See the problem? For that much money, someone should expect a very high level of professionalism. That would include spelling things correctly. Nearly everyone has a spell check available. Use it. Present your company in a positive light. And when someone points out a problem, handle your response professionally as well rather than attacking the person who pointed the problem out. That is how business is done among real people.

As for the Michael Jackson point, you missed it entirely. Michael Jackson doesn't have the most positive reputation these days. Few artists would want to be associated with that name from a marketing point of view. If you fail to see that, how can you successfully represent artists? It's all about PR. You need to work on those skills. Or you can get angry and lash out and have everyone think you're not professional enough to handle serious marketing campaigns. You need to be able to interact with all types of media and all types of people. Some may not be hip to the same things others might be. As an artist representative in the marketing realm, you need to understand that and be savvy enough to handle interactions with all types of people.

Now you can ignore this common sense advice if you want. But that's a reality check you need to have.

Good luck,

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http://www.ismaelrecords.com

Doesn't say to much on the site.. but then I wouldn't know what I was looking for anyway...

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ARTIST WHO LOVE MUSIC, AND UNDERSTAND MUSIC, ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ALBUM THRILLER, RATHER YOU LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON OR NOT, IS JUST WHAT IT IS, A TOP SELLING ALBUM, THIS IS WHO WE HAVE AS OUR IN HOUSE MARKETING/PROMOTIONS, EXECUTIVE. MICHAEL JACKSONS NAME OF COURSE WONT BE ON ANY OF OUR CLIENTS CD COVERS, BUT! THE MARKETING/PROMOTIONS EXECUTIVE OF MICHAEL JACKSONS ALBUM THRILLER, WILL!. DONT TELL US HOW TO REACT WHEN OUR REPUTATION IS ATTACKED, BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE BOLD BOLD CLAIM, WHERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER OK. IF THESE ARTIST WANT OUR SERVICES OUR FEE IS AGAIN, $30,000 IF NOT WE WISH THEM ALL, AND YOURSELF, WELL.

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Are you Tyrone?

I make no judgement either way I have never heard of you until today.

Anyway... We get a lot of sharks here trying to rip people off. Brian, to my mind did not attack you but made an observation about your post and offered some advice. By writing continuiously with "caps lock" on making all your replies in capitals... in our world is like you yelling at us. It is normally a sign that the person typing is young or computer illiterate/ english illiterate. All of these things are usually a sign that the poster lacks professionalism and increases the chances of them being a shark.

If we are wrong in thinking your organisation is just another shark preying on our dreams then surely you and your organisation would be better served by allaying [sp] our fears and showing us you are not ... maybe bring someone we've all heard of to talk to us.... and offer advice..

By taking the "We'll react how we damm well please" attitude just re-enforces our perception of your organisation. That cannot help your organisation.

On another note I am working on a project and we are looking for sponsors.. would your organisation be interested in sponsoring this project?

Cheers

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I'm just amazed at this exchange...

You know, almost anybody else would have ignored this guy. I don't know what I might have done if I were the board admin. My first thought was: I can't understand why Brian is wasting his time on this.

But after a few back and forths, I think I saw what Brian may have seen: this guy actually may be legit. (Now, I am trying to be so careful in expressing myself that I am editing this to clarify why I am revealing my first impressions!)

Ismael, we are trying to help you. Please remember that we cannot talk to you, see you, or know anything about you. We just have your words in this very limited text medium. In what you wrote here, you made a negative impression for yourself. You can be the biggest man with a plan in the world...but we do not know you. So, Brian is just pointing out that not everybody is going to see you as you see yourself. Which is a good thing to know in marketing, I think.

And given his questions and your answers, you should clearly see that we are indeed all in this together, or Brian would not have bothered to try. OK? Good luck and God bless you.


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BANNED FOR WHAT BEHAVIOR?, FOR NOT ACCEPTING ATTACKS ON OUR REPUTATION?. WE APPRECIATE ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, BUT THE FIRST TIME WE POSTED OUR SERVICES ON THIS SITE, WE HAVE HAD TO DO NOTHING BUT PROTECT OUR REPUTATION, WE ARE LIGIT, WE HAVE ALL WHAT WE PROMISE AT OUR DISPOSAL, WE ARE OFFERING A SERVICE, OUR FEE IS $30,000

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WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN, BUT WE ARE OURSELVES OFFERING A SERVICE, OUR FEE IS $30,000 IF YOU NEED OR WOULD LIKE OUR SERVICES, AGAIN /CEO70777@AOL.COM OR CALL 727-895-8531

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thank you for your contructive criticism. sorry for the caps

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WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN, BUT WE ARE OURSELVES OFFERING A SERVICE, OUR FEE IS $30,000 IF YOU NEED OR WOULD LIKE OUR SERVICES, AGAIN /CEO70777@AOL.COM OR CALL 727-895-8531


Thanks it will be a while before I have something concrete together (possibly 12 or so months) but when I do I will approach you with a proposal smile

Thanks smile





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good luck, and god bless you also.

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get in touch with us whenever you are ready, we will be happy to help.

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sorry, but we disagree, from a marketing point of view, the album thriller is still one of the best selling albums in the world, why wouldnt any artist want that kind of marketing?. your getting michael jacksons personal life confused with the marketing of thriller, the two have nothing whatsoever in common.

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I have received E-mail offers like this in the past.
The firms directed me to a website that was very professional. The offer included detailed information on their promotion packages.
They also represented many very well known artists.
The most expensive I seen was $10,000. Each had a limited term. They varied from 1 to 3 years.

Just out of curiosity how many years is the $30,000 good for?

I am not a performing artist so I would not take advantage of such an offer.


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I have received E-mail offers like this in the past.
The firms directed me to a website that was very professional. The offer included detailed information on their promotion packages.
They also represented many very well known artists.
The most expensive I seen was $10,000. Each had a limited term. They varied from 1 to 3 years.

Just out of curiosity how many years is the $30,000 good for?

I am not a performing artist so I would not take advantage of such an offer.


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So why not give the actual name of this person who is the marketing expert, rather than someone they once worked for? Then anyone can do due dilligence to check out the references, verify the claims and use that info to make an educated decision on whether you offer valid services? If the person is a marketing genius, then it seems THEIR name would be the most important thing to drop, not Michael Jacksons.

There are very few legitimate services worth $30,000. There are no services worth that which can't supply specific names, examples of current and previous clients and success examples and plenty of easy to check references to prove the veracity of all claims. That's how legitimate companies, especially those charging a very high premium, operate. So here's your chance to supply that info to 100K visitors per day to our site.

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How would I sign a contract with someone who is illiterate ?

cheers, niteshift

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SIMPLE, ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION= YOU DONT

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he is our in house marketing and promotions president, for my label, ismael records. i tell you what sir, instead of countinually casting doubt among your clients, and the artist who are simply trying to get that break, that we may be able to give, why dont you just ban my company from your site, were quite sure there are other sites that live up to their motto, WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

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Mate, you're just too much fun ! Don't ban him Brian, I'm having a bit of a dull night and am quite entertained by the dullard.

cheers, niteshift

PS Stupid - "We're All in this Together" is a registered trademark, it's not found on other sites. Geez, bloody moron !

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wow, what a crew you have working for you here on your site sir, they attack any other entity, that seems to offer what you youeself can not, thats what we call a really tight crew, mabey some of the smarter artist seeing this exchange will be able to see what we are now seeing.

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strange, we have been checking your responses to other people on this site, no where can we find any other artist or entity having its reputation attacked by the administration of this site, as our reputation is now being attacked, can you guess why? i bet we can

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we at ismael records will no longer go tit for tat with you or your hired hands sir. if you want us banned then so be it, if not, our services still stand at $30,000 good day and god bless

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Do tell !

Problem is you don't have a rep. , except for being a slime crawling low life bottom feeder.

Put up or shut up !

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our exact words= put up or shut up

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OK clusterf*ck, you're becoming a little tedious. Artists don't pay record companies, EVER. Hence, your quite right and proper treatment.

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were offering our marketing and promotional services. without using the language that someone who has no where else to go with debate or conversation, did that go over your head?

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funny how the word banned comes up around our name, and not once have we used foul language, but those using foul language against us the word banned for some strange reason , never seems to show up

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My dear little moronic friend. You do realise that when you have Small Penis Syndrome and are playing in the sandpit, that someone will come along and throw sand in your face ?

Legetimate business is far too busy to be bothered with a public bulliton board....they're far to busy getting the job done. And they certainly don't try to solicit money in this way.

By the way, my charge for the advice is $50k, I'll send you the invoice.

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we are not soliciting money, we are offering a service, our fee is $30,000

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OK, I'll try it, if you can provide the audience with the answer to the following question..........

"Define and differentiate the terms "promotion" , "marketing" and "advertising". Your time starts now.....please take your time and provide a concise and enlightening response.


Oh, and look what we find under a Google search.........

RSS feed for ISMAEL RECORDS:

USA (SANEPR.com) March 6, 2007 -- ISMAEL RECORDS IS GEARING UP FOR WHAT IS SAID TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TALENT SEARCHES SINCE AMERICAN IDOL. WINNERS OF THIS NATION WIDE TALENT SEARCH WILL BE SIGNED TO ISMAEL RECORDS PLUS! MARKETED/PROMOTED BY ONE OF THE TOP EXCECUTIVES IN THE MUSIC WORLD TODAY, AND NOW ALSO IN HOUSE MARKETING/PROMOTIONS PRESIDENT OF ISMAEL RECORDS. SOME OF THE TOP RECORDING ARTIST WHO HAS BEEN MARKETED/PROMTED BY THIS EXCECUTIVE GIANT WHO IS NOW ALSO ISMAEL RECORDS IN HOUSE MARKETING/PROMOTIONS PRESIDENT ARE MICHAEL JACKSONS THRILLER/BAD ALBUMS, SADE, EARTH WIND AND FIRE, MAZE, THE CLASH, WRECKS N EFFECT, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, SANTANA, OAKTOWN357, BIG MIKE, THE GHETTO BOYS, SCARFACE, TYRESE ALICIA KEYS AND THATS ONLY TO NAME A FEW. A DEMO MUST BE SENT TO CEO70777@AOL.COM ALSO SEE www.ISMAELRECORDS.COM A REGISTRATION FEE OF $300.00 IS IN EFFECT, $150.00 TO BE PAID IN ADVANCE TO ISMAEL RECORDS AFTER YOUR DEMO IS APPROVED. FOR MORE DETAILS CONTACT CEO70777@AOL.COM THERE WILL BE WINNERS! THINK YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES? SEND THOSE DEMOS IN NOW! SLOTS ARE CLOSING FAST!


Wow, I can enter a song contest for a mere $300 per song ! And I'm so glad there will be winners ! Notice there is no name of the said famous "big wig", just a whole bunch of "associated" artists.

You forgot to include a link to your home page, it's here...

www.ismaelrecords.com

Again, very short on detail.

Looser, it's time to leave.

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we have given you the very same info on our site , as we have given you here????? and?????.

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You didn't answer the question moron !

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i have never been to a more hatful and envious forum as this one. i wiil as of now disguard any and all response to you, its obvious to me that my time is being wasted with people like you. good day sir

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Oh no, not at all hateful, and certainly not envious of scam artists. I see you're on other forums as well trying to scam money. Lets hope a Google search brings folks here to see a total lack of substance on your part in your responses, and also a lack of credibity which is almost juvenile.

You still haven't answered a very simple and straight foward question...I shall repeat it.

"Define and differentiate the terms "promotion" , "marketing" and "advertising". Your time starts now.....please take your time and provide a concise and enlightening response.

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I don't think too many indie artist have $30,000 to toss around. What is with all the postings,couldn't you say it all on fewer postings.Quanity does not offset quality.

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Everett,

I think the problem here is that the poster really has nothing to say, other than trying to solicit $30k. Game, set and match ?

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wow, just plain folks must pay you really well huh? your working overtime with us in order to detour any hopful artist huh? as long as the trailer park stays here you eat. we get it now

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well guess what, until we are banned, we will be here

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seems to us with all your running around trying to check up on us ,that the only thing your really finding out is that we are ligit huh? because after all this you havent found anything or posted any info saying that were not, whats up with that?

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oh we almost forgot, here is our STATE OF fl, registration number, which shows that we are a registered licensed firm in the state of good ol fl ok?= G07065900408 when you get through tracking this info down go ask just plain for a raise

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I repeat..........

"Define and differentiate the terms "promotion" , "marketing" and "advertising". Your time starts now.....please take your time and provide a concise and enlightening response.

cheers, niteshift

PS - Brian, do I get that pay rise now ? How about 20% on current salary ?

PPS - REGISTRATION FEE OF $300.00, legit ?

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Okay Brian,

I have an idea, why don't people pay me a measly 29,000 dollars, and i'll insult everyone on the board and refuse to answer any legitimate questions, claiming my unknown, at best reputation is being attacked. that way i can save everybody a thousand dollars. what are you going to do with your 1000 dollars?


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OK Sofa, the check is on it's way. Pity I don't know where you are precisly, ( or for that matter who you are ) but your terms sound good. ( and you can spell also ) smile

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The reason we don't delete stuff like this is because this post will now show up in Search Engines around the world when people search for this company. When that happens, people will come here and see where we asked legit questions and got nothing but non-answers and ill tempered responses.

If you can't answer legit questions, then you aren't legit. And anyone who wants to read this for themselves will be able to come to the same conclusions. I see that Ismael has used spell check to correct his earlier posts. At least one positive thing has come from this. He's learned how to use spell check! Hooray!

Thanks for telling us everything we need to know about your company without actually answering any questions or giving any factual info on what you do, how you do it, who the names are behind your claims or why any sane or rational person would ever give you 30 cents, let alone 30,000 dollars.

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Is that $30,000 required upfront or can we use record sales and performance fees to pay it off?

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Thanks Brian was going to suggest locking one or other as it gets confusing with two almost identical sets of posts.

Hey Ismael If nothing else I admire balls. Even one sucker at $30,000 is a lot of cash to a con man erremm sorry I mean invester/promotor.

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Well I am sure that the way this fellow is advertising the names of so many big stars, one of two things will result. Either the cease and desist letters will be forthcoming, or if he really does have legitimate connections someone will step in to shut this guy up and hire someone who knows how to promote the business before it is totally destroyed.

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I checked out the site out of curiosity.

Tyrone, I don't understand why you don't explain the benefits of what you're selling. That's a key principle of marketing: sell the benefits. If you're asking for $30Gs you should at least list out what the artist is going to get. Not just "advertising" and "marketing" but specific stuff.

It's just not enough to say your marketing guy worked for Michael Jackson. You don't even list his name on your site. Why? That just makes it look like you're hiding something.

If you can't answer these questions, no one is going to take a chance on your company...

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you get, national distribution of your cd, we have 5,000 retailers, operating more than 25,000 storefronts, plus leading internet sales, you get radio airplay, we also have BET TV CONNECTIONS for your video, we get you shows, we get you live radio station interviews, we get you soundscan, we get you out there.

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by looking at your picture, your in the wrong room arent you>?

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up front

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we will get you out there

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wrong, what people will really see is how you and your hired hands will do any and everything to stop any legit firm from advertising in your trailer park. thats what they will see. this is why we are still here, its you and your hired hands who will really be exposed. trust us, what your trying to make really happen will turn around on you.

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we can see that your slowly seeing your trailer being evicted from this trailer park, are you afraid? you better ask just plain for that raise right away, or that surfboard is all you will have left

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what real firms like us will really see is how you try to keep locks on your trailer park, the more you attempt to sway hopful artist from getting a real shot, the more they will see just what this trailer park set up you have going here is really all about, we want the search engines to see just what your feeding these hopful artist. stay in your trailer park. this is what they will really see. trust us

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LOOKS LIKE MY QUESTION GOT LOST IN THE TRAILER PARK SHUFFLE!

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BY LOOKING AT YOUR PHOTO, WE STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO STAY OUT OF ANY AND ALL CHILDRENS FORUMS OK?

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OK, I saw the reply that says "Up front". Do you realize that you are probably taking folks life's savings or, even worse, causing them to go into major debt to come up with $30K. That is totally despicable and will be the cause of great heartbreak and suffering to the majority of folks (if not all) who pay you that fee.

I am glad you THINK you are totally honest and upfront, but from where I sit you are basically just going to steal people's money. WHY? Because quite a few of those folks will never make it, no matter how much you can "push" them. Why #2? I doubt that you can deliver on your promises.

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IS BRIAN PAYING YOU ALSO? WOW!

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dont worry brian, the hopful artist that are now contacting us from your trailer park, if we come to any kind of agreement, we will make sure that THE JUST PLAIN FOLKS TRAILER PARK FORUM will be placed on their cd cover ok.

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YOUR QUESTION DID NOT GET LOST, WE ANSWERED IT. UP FRONT ONLY.

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we can, and we will deliver

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we are just being up front. if you are a serious recording artist, and want serious results, we will get you those results. i cant get any more upfront than this. whats happing in this forum is that hopful artist are being told that they can make their dreams come true on a hope and a prayer, it does not work that way. our fee is $30,000 for this we will get you national distribution, radio airplay, live radio station interviews, shows, plus get your cd into 25,000 storefronts and leading internet retailers, when we get through you will! be on the music worlds radar. not stuck somewhere on a hope and a dream. this is the real world! of music.

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Originally Posted by niteshift
RSS feed for ISMAEL RECORDS:

USA (SANEPR.com) March 6, 2007 -- ISMAEL RECORDS IS GEARING UP FOR WHAT IS SAID TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TALENT SEARCHES SINCE AMERICAN IDOL. WINNERS OF THIS NATION WIDE TALENT SEARCH WILL BE SIGNED TO ISMAEL RECORDS PLUS! MARKETED/PROMOTED BY ONE OF THE TOP EXCECUTIVES IN THE MUSIC WORLD TODAY, AND NOW ALSO IN HOUSE MARKETING/PROMOTIONS PRESIDENT OF ISMAEL RECORDS. ......

REGISTRATION FEE OF $300.00 IS IN EFFECT, $150.00 TO BE PAID IN ADVANCE TO ISMAEL RECORDS AFTER YOUR DEMO IS APPROVED. FOR MORE DETAILS CONTACT CEO70777@AOL.COM THERE WILL BE WINNERS! THINK YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES? SEND THOSE DEMOS IN NOW! SLOTS ARE CLOSING FAST!



Even some of the bigest competitions these days only charge $30US per song... No wonder it's hard slog to get people to trust you.




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REMEMBER, WE DIDINT START THIS, YOU DID OK?

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Ah Geez, this is still going ? WOW, the trailer park sure is jumping today. smile Just keep posting ismael, it really makes my day and directs a whole heap of gullible people from blowing their money.

How to spot a shark.....

1. Can't spell
2. Doesn't put up a website in the initial post
3. Makes claims without verifiable industry references
4. Does not provide a physical street address
5. Is evasive about detail
6. Will not answer direct questions
7. Becomes defensive upon closer scrutiny
8. Becomes abusive when pushed on detail
9. Has no idea that professional industry reps do not make
varacious claims on public internet forums.
10. Asks for money upfront without checking an artists
suitability for niche marketing in the given genre.
11. Name drops well known artists and pretends to be closely
associated with them.
12. Runs song competitions at $300 per entry fee
13. Also runs ( supposedly ) a sound studio. Used most probably
to augment income where the artists recordings are "not
quite good enough for distrubution"
14. Runs a multi-facited "label" to leveredge the initial bait
and switch
15. Uses the success of others to promote himself ( father in
this instance ) to replace a viable industry resume.
16. Is unrealistic in expectatoions and outcomes
17. Has not researched the supposed client base and presumes all
forum members live in trailer parks
18. Is wasting time in an unprofessional manner, thus
demonstrating lack of industry experience
19. Solicits money rather than building up industry respect
20. Provides entertainment to bored forum members looking for
a laugh.

OK, there's probably many more. Just email me your resume, standard contract and one ( yes, only one ) industry reference, at current executive level from one of the 4 majors and we'll see how we go.

Oh, I forgot, you haven't even listened to my music, but I guess that doesn't matter since I'd be the one forking out the $30k.

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Only those with something to hide will get angry when you ask them to come out of the dark....



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This is the silliest thing I ever heard.
Enough already


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I think we gave Ismael plenty of opportunities to answer questions, correct his spelling and get a clue. I think he did at least learn to use spell correct on his computer, so at least something was accomplished. He may not be the brightest illegitimate company we've ever had here but he was pretty persistent with his complete lack of professionalism, I will give him credit for that.

Now this is detailed forever here and will soon show up in search engines demonstrating his ability to market someone (himself) for all to see. If any artist would want that CEO representing them for free, let alone for a fee, they deserve the results they'll get.

RIP Ismael Records. We won't miss you (except for the laughs that is).

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GEEZ, AND i WAS REDDY TO PRAAVIDE THE SAME SERVICES FOR A MERE $20,000. NOTHING WRONG WITH FRENDLY COMPETISHUN, HUH?

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U R REELY SOMTIN!


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Hey Ismael
Anyone with any grey matter would have given up by now. If you are legit then you have done your business untold damage by your moronic outbursts and rantings. If you think that anyone would even contemplate being represented by you then you are even more stupid than we first thought. To insult anyone or their friends, whilst asking them to part with huge amounts of money is not in the good sales technique handbook and is not recommended. When people Google you now they will see just what kind of a person and outfit you are.
From all of us "trailer park tramps" we wish you success in your new future ventures, cause this one is dead in the water.

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One thing for sure,he dosen't discourage easily and he's stubborn,which could be a good trait for someone pitching music.


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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
One thing for sure,he dosen't discourage easily and he's stubborn,which could be a good trait for someone pitching music.


Yeah, just needs a little "boot camp" training from the fine music biz "marines" here at JPF.
There's plenty of mentors here to keep a guy learning for years... Huah! grin

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Originally Posted by Sofa King Bixby
Okay Brian,

I have an idea, why don't people pay me a measly 29,000 dollars, and i'll insult everyone on the board and refuse to answer any legitimate questions, claiming my unknown, at best reputation is being attacked. that way i can save everybody a thousand dollars. what are you going to do with your 1000 dollars?


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I'll do it for $15,000

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Hey Coz Still too expensive. I insult people all the time for free. And as for my reputation WELL!!!!

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nightshift,
you did a great job exposing this so called bigwig marketing agent for what they are...scam artist and probably NWA how am i so sure? If they were so parofessional they would not let this senseless bickering go on and just leave or face up to the fact they made a bad first impression and move on to bigger and better. Being an ex diskjockey and music director for a reporting station, I am quite well versed on just what it takes to market a record and how promoters pray on the ignorance of truly talented people...

that will ber 2 dollars

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Well one thing is for sure. We can all stand together and fight of these kind of sharks. Anyone from a bogus org posting better watch out. We will spot you a mile away.

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AMEN, Big Jim smile
One of the best things I have learned here is the ability to distinguish a legitimate deal from a joke like this!

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Brian,

gosh, am i on the payroll? i think the checks are getting lost in the trailer park mailbox.

I doubt that because i came up with a counter scam, all of the sudden i am on a mysterous "Brian Austin Whitney" crooney list. (i hope i am the muscle)
i was hoping that someone who lies as much as this guy, would be quicker on the draw.

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Musicians that I have seen on the net want money up front for their services.
You can't outsmart wannabes like me either.
I let them know.

I like the guy with the broken string guitar that plays to anyone.

He said, son, don't fall for beggars and solicitors.

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Good Lord could he tell us it's 30,000 dollars one more time I'm not sure I understand what his fee is? Is it $30,000 or could it be different? lol


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HiDee Folks!

I visited Ishmael's site...not the Biggest..or most-impressively laid-out, but it's Legitimate, as sites go. Ishmael's Dad was in The Flamingos..."I Only Have Eyes for You"..Remember it? & his Staff..not all Too-Well described or named..sounds like some WITH Industry Experience.

Experience isn't NECESSARILY Active "Connections"...as things go.

But, my guess is Your $30K gets you a nice Recording Session, X-Number of Nicely Pressed-&-Printed CDs..a Release Party..& yeah, your CD goes into a batch of Record Stores. NO Guarantee, however, that you're gonna RECoup your investment...even with the Promised Airplay, Promo, etc.

But that's Life. SOME Stars who shall remain Nameless reportedly spent MILLIONS of their own loot to get where they are.

But..I guess the Bottom-Line is How Badly DO ya wanna get Discovered? And...DO these guys have any "Exhibit A" Success Stories..RECENT ONES..to Brag About or not?

If Not...better ya spend a few Grand in a Recordin' Studio...design & market your own CD..& send it off to CDBaby.com..& get CD & Digital Distribution for (think the whole sheboodle's $35-40.) Sell enough THERE, & a Major Label just might contact ya for FREE.

Or, worst case scenario, you're only out a couplea grand...And..You can Try Again...& Afford-to.

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Hey, even if this guy is legit, for what I've heard, if I wanted to get a great recording done at a great price so I could put my songs out there for sale, I'd go see Sub. I think he's this site's best kept secret.

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I do not know why this very old thread was resurrected. The guy was exposed way back then and he could not come up with anything in reply other than insults. He could not even unlock the caps lock button on his keyboard..... so shows you how much talent he has. Sheesh. But if anybody wants to blow a huge amount of cash on a record I can recommend several places I would rather go first.

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What he's doing is Legal, but it ain't Legit. The legit way is to front the service and take the payment out of sales proceeds. Doing it this way is grabbing a year or two's salary from a starving artist and calling it a good deal.

No one can buy stardom.

Except for Paris Hilton. But even she probably didn't pay up front either...

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Big Jim, Entertainment value. I love to see Brian tear this guy to pieces. Good reading and a lesson for everyone. Ben

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Yeah.. this guy probably belongs in the PR train wreck hall of fame.

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Hey Brian

Truth be told I don't think there are many serious artists that would have taken this guy seriously and anyone else who would wouldn't be able to afford him lol. So there probably wasn't much chance he could sucker anyone; however, kudos for shutting him down and revealing the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing he was. Thanks for looking out for all of us Brian aka Sheepdog! (my new moniker for ya wink ).
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So far I've saved up $149.50. If this guy is still around in 27 years, I think I'll be ready for him to record my demo. I'm so excited!! smile

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I stand corrected wink


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Originally Posted by ISMAELRECORDS
sorry, but we disagree, from a marketing point of view, the album thriller is still one of the best selling albums in the world


This is true. With 108,000,000 copies sold worldwide, it dwarfs the sales of its closest competitor, Back in Black by AC/CD (43,000,000), and you had absolutely nothing to do with any of it. Dropping MJ's name is misleading.


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Originally Posted by ISMAELRECORDS
wow, what a crew you have working for you here on your site sir, they attack any other entity, that seems to offer what you youeself can not, thats what we call a really tight crew, mabey some of the smarter artist seeing this exchange will be able to see what we are now seeing.


Do you even have a clue how poorly you write English? I suspect that you are a non-native speaker.


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Originally Posted by ISMAELRECORDS
wrong, what people will really see is how you and your hired hands will do any and everything to stop any legit firm from advertising in your trailer park. thats what they will see. this is why we are still here, its you and your hired hands who will really be exposed. trust us, what your trying to make really happen will turn around on you.


I'll trust Brian over you every single time.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
OK, I saw the reply that says "Up front". Do you realize that you are probably taking folks life's savings or, even worse, causing them to go into major debt to come up with $30K. That is totally despicable and will be the cause of great heartbreak and suffering to the majority of folks (if not all) who pay you that fee.

I am glad you THINK you are totally honest and upfront, but from where I sit you are basically just going to steal people's money. WHY? Because quite a few of those folks will never make it, no matter how much you can "push" them. Why #2? I doubt that you can deliver on your promises.

Kevin

Brian: No charge from the trailer park for this one.



You make a valid point here. if this company was totally legit, they would be very selective WRT the clients they seek. Only sharks take any and all money from anyone.


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This is the funniest and saddest post I've read for a long time.

Funniest because the guy just kept hammering in his $30,000 fee, while insulting everyone and not answering any question. Saddest because the guy really has no chance of success in life, judging by his complete lack of brains.

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Hey Free Wheel Nat

I agree at least the poor pathetic pitiful little fool can't hurt anyone else lol.
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What I find completely refreshing and inspiring is the great wisdom of the JPF writers here; nice to see this idiot exposed and confronted with his own lies.

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This Guy actually tried it on my Site, http://path2fame.com

Well, i banned him... This time he wanted $50 for submissions to a talent contest...

here the post that i deleted:
Label signs jackson thriller executive/online talent search - 07-25-2008, 07:52 PM
WIN! a contract with ismael records!, win! radio airplay, national distribution, your! CD placed into all or many of our 25,000 storefronts! win! marketing and promotions of your CD from one of the marketing and promotions executives of MICHAEL JACKSONS ,THRILLER, BAD and! OFF THE WALL ALBUMS. SIGN UP NOW! please read contest rules carefully, screening of demos has now started, dont miss out. see www.ismaelrecords.com

Can you believe it? He is looking for Investors too....
http://ismael-records-signs-jackson-thriller-executive-seeks-investors.app-ismael-1.aidpage.com/

I just thought you guys would like to know...
greetings from path2fame.com!
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Hey maikj,

Oh man, this guy just takes the cake !

Now he's looking for "investors" on an aid page, whose posters seem to have some serious problems.

He certainly does need help.........

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Nice catch MJ ! ! !


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