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#542221 - 09/18/07 04:45 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Jerry Jakala]  
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Well, Chet Atkins and Jimi Hendrix probably top my list of best guitarists, but you were asking originally about the underappreciated ones.

Those for me, I think, are Keith Richards and John Lennon. Richards, I think, was master of the Musical Hook; his riffs--always simple, always unique, and always memorable--made a lot of Rolling Stones songs the most recognizable in recent history. He is emulatable; I've managed to apply his style to a country music song just once (but might have managed to do it again, in "Dirty Deeds Done to Sheep").

And Lennon, I've decided, is a decent role model. I played a while back with a rock 'n' roll band that did a lot of Beatles covers, and they were determined that I be their John Lennon. Lennon ain't bad: a good writer, and competent rhythm guitarist who could sometimes play lead. And now, I find myself listening to the rhythm guitarist a lot when I hear bands.

Joe

#542621 - 09/20/07 12:17 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Joe Wrabek]  
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Keith Richards should've been crowned King of England for the intro of Can't You Hear Me Knockin'


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#542679 - 09/20/07 05:11 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Doc Lovett]  
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Keith may not be the most technically gifted player in the world, but he's come up with probably 100 of the most memorable riffs of all time. Long live the riff-master!


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#543375 - 09/22/07 09:01 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I dunno bob

Keith had a long time Gig playing on Saturday night live and his chops were awesome lots of blues and even some jazz pickin. I think the Stones stuff just is less technical cause that's what sells. I think he has the ability to be quite the guitar slinger JMO. Also take a listen to the "Honky Tonk women" Solo and tell me that's not technical full of double stops deep bends on the g that's a tough one to play "right".
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#543504 - 09/22/07 04:06 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Derek Hines]  
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The guitar riffs in "Honky Tonk Woman" are brilliantly conceived, but certainly are not difficult to play. Very basic stuff.

#550197 - 10/18/07 10:23 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: TrumanCoyote]  
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Leon Redbone.

#550366 - 10/19/07 12:52 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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#550732 - 10/20/07 05:39 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Alex Lifeson--Rush... Metal, Prog, Classical, Reggae, Blues, he's on it...3O+ Years,umpteen platinum albums and sold out tours that continue to this day, and to beat a dead horse..DID NOT MAKE ROLLING STONES TOP 100 GUITARISTS!!!


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#550815 - 10/20/07 11:14 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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David Crosby-Page 43-what a great song.

I like Joni Mitchell's guitar work, as well as Neil Young's-to me, both are wonderful.

How about the acoustic guitarist from Heart? She's bitchin!

For me, it is how a guitar supports the song, as opposed to the other way around.

#551127 - 10/22/07 07:36 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: SteveHVasil]  
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I just noticed that the December 2007 issue of Guitar Player magazine has a listing of "The Top 40 Underrated guitarists".

I wonder if somone there got inspiration from reading this post?

#551129 - 10/22/07 07:47 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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Here's the Guitar Player's list of top 40:
1. Andy Latimer (Camel)
2. Andy Powell/Ted Turner (Wishbone Ash)
3. Andy Timmons
4. Bill Nelson (Be Bop Deluxe)
5. Billy Duffy (The Cult)
6. Billy Zoom (X)
7. Bradley Nowell (Sublime)
8. Brett Garsed
9. Charo
10. Dave Peverett (Foghat)
11. David Lindley
12. Dean DeLeo (STP)
13. Dean Wareham (Luna)
14. Eric Stewart (10cc)
15. Francis Dunnery (It Bites)
16. Graeme Downes (Verlaines)
17. Huw Lloyd-Langton (Hawkwind)
18. James Honeyman-Scott (Pretenders)
19. Kim Simmons (Savoy Brown)
20. Larry LaBonde (Primus)
21. Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
22. Matt Bellamy (Muse)
23. Maurice Deebank (Felt)
24. Michel Cusson
25. Mick Murphy (My Ruin)
26. Mick Ronson (David Bowie)
27. Paul Kossof (Free)
28. Rick Derringer
29. Ricky Wilson (B52s)
30. Rik Emmett (Triumph)
31. Robbie Krieger (Doors)
32. Roine Stolt (The Flower Kings)
33. Ron Asheton (Stooges)
34. Ronnie Montrose
35. Rory Gallagher
36. Simon Lees (Budgie)
37. Steve Blaze (Lillian Axe)
38. Steve Rothery (Marillion)
39. Tim Sult (Clutch)
40. Wilko Johnson (Dr. Feelgood)

After I typed this out, I realized that the list is alphabetized by first name and in not based on "who's more underrated than who". I kept the numbers just to make sure I got in all 40.

#551433 - 10/23/07 03:11 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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I've opened for Rik Emmett a couple of times...GREAT guitarist and a really nice guy.


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#557894 - 11/11/07 12:42 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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My vote for THE most underappreciated guitarist is Eddie Phillips.

Google the song "Making Time" by the 1960's London band called The Creation. This was a band that should have come right through the decades like The Who, The Kinks, etc. Eddie Phillips was the first one to use a violin bow on his electric guitar...Jimmy Page got the idea from him. In fact, I'll find a clip and post a link...okay, here we go, three songs by The Creation in about 1966...the third one is "Making Time", just a classic riff. The ultimate Band That Never Made It Big.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtokM-Zf6o

#558106 - 11/11/07 11:08 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hi Lyle I had forgotten about them. My memory again. But I seem to recall that Ronnie Wood played with them for a while. Could be wrong but it was a long time ago. I was just starting. 13 or 14 years old.

#558277 - 11/12/07 03:44 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Yeah, there was a connection: Ron Wood's first band, The Birds, had Kim Gardner on bass. Kim Gardner later joined The Creation. But Ronnie wasn't with the band.

Ron Wood is another underappreciated guitarist...too many people who miss Brian Jones or Mick Taylor think that Ron Wood is soft or something. He's top notch.

#558301 - 11/12/07 04:55 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey Big Jim, turns out I was wrong and you were right. Ron was on some singles in their later period.

Man, now I like that band even more.

I chatted with Ron Wood for a few minutes when he was signing books in Minneapolis some years ago. I liked him right away. He struck me as very genuine, very personable, very little ego.

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Lyle there were a few guitarists from that era that never quite managed the eternal fame they deserved. Jeff Beck for one. Then my old departed pal Rory Gallagher (Bob Young if you are reading this sorry for harping on and mentionong him again). Check him out the best live guitarist I have ever worked with. Held the audience in the palm of his hand. Never knew what he was going to play next and he sometimes only stopped playing encores when they wanted to shut the place up. I learned a lot from him. Could have learned more if I had stayed sober. That is mainly why I never took up guitar playing.

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Originally Posted by Lyle
Ron Wood is another underappreciated guitarist...too many people who miss Brian Jones or Mick Taylor think that Ron Wood is soft or something. He's top notch.


Speaking of Ron Wood, how about:
ROY WOOD?

The leader of The Move. Not only an extremely gifted guitar player. But he could play just about any instrument ever invented.

But yeah, guitar. Roy. Wow.

#558318 - 11/12/07 05:57 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Big Jim, you're killing me. I'd give a thumb to play with Rory Gallagher. Back when I was 15 I was singing in a band and we did a lousy cover of "Laundromat".

I'd be happy just to look at his perfectly wrecked guitar. Yessir, he was a great one.

Jeff Beck? Agreed, I guess, but most top ten guitarist lists will usually include Jeff. Certainly he is underappreciated by the masses, which is what you're probably saying. I was writing the other day about how it was The Jeff Beck Group that really put "arena rock" in gear...with Peter Grant and Jimmy Page along for the ride on that first tour of the US to watch and learn and subsequently create Led Zeppelin.

Yeah, it's hard to learn guitar when you're drunk! But once you learn it, you can then PLAY drunk...just ask all the Greats... wink

#558320 - 11/12/07 05:59 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hey Pop Todd, good call indeed. Goodbye Blackberry Way.

I only recently caught wind of them, really like them, although they are probably TOO British for a lot of Americans. Not me.

Jeff Lynne was with them in the later years. Great group.

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Lyle hate to admit it but I was responsible for some of the loss of paintwork and dints.

#558462 - 11/13/07 04:29 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Big Jim, maybe you should get big money working for the Fender Custom Shop. Wealthy fools are paying top dollar for those "distressed" guitars. Rory's Strat, Beck's Esquire...cig burns and all.

Man, I'd love to hear your tales.

#558495 - 11/13/07 09:39 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Hey Lyle - looks like the latest in the line of beat up guitars is the Andy Summers' signature model tele. It's a real steal at half the price of a Van halen signature model.

#558565 - 11/13/07 12:35 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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Time for a Willie Nelson signature?

How about a different kind of Pete Townshend model: it's already smashed into splinters?

#558830 - 11/14/07 09:04 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Martin guitars already has a Willie Nelson signature model. Checlk it out on their website. YOu have to wear it in though, and get your own signatures

#558832 - 11/14/07 09:07 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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I was watching some music videos last night and same three young men that should be mentioned. I think they are often overlooked as skilled guitarists:
Allen Collins
Garry Rossington
Steve Gaines
(and even Ed King)

These were the guitarists in Lynyrd Skynyrd. All were quite skilled and underrated. Steve reminded me so much of Clapton with his style.

#561935 - 11/24/07 07:23 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Has anyone of you ever heard of Bruce Anderson of MX80-Sound? He is next to Jimi Hendrix in my book. Recommended listening: Crowd Control album.



Information is not knowledge,
Knowledge is not wisdom,
Wisdom is not truth,
Truth is not beauty,
Beauty is not love,
Love is not music
and Music is THE BEST
#561937 - 11/24/07 07:40 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: That Lane dude]  
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I'm going to sure check out some of these ones I hav'nt heard of.
I got into Triumph quite heavily. As well as other Canadien acts.

Frank Hannon and Tommy Skeoch also spring to mind.
Tesla (an L.A. band) seemed to be one of those few metal acts out of the mid to late eighties that survived the alternative scene, and actually sold more even after their hit heyday.
I always thought they had more of a classic rock quality to them.

#563490 - 11/30/07 12:52 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: mattbanx]  
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Well, here's one of my favorites: Brent Mason. he is on about half of the music coming out of Nashville. But, on the CDs, he rarely gets a chance to show his talent. Here is a 5 minute clip of him and Vince Gill. Although well-respected by his peers, he is greatly underappreciated by the fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeJHnkUKg_M

I am also a big fan of Fred Newell, another Nashville picker who gets little notariety.

Keep in mind, the question was ***underappreciated***...not just famous pickers who don't get their props.

Regarding the various lists put out by the numerous publications that do so, they don't really mean much. It has to do more with personal taste and personal definition of what is or is not good and the type of music you listen to. No matter what you think, you're probably right. Because my opinion on the matter doesn't mean squat to anyone else. It is simply an opinion to agree or disagree with...no more.

Here's wishing everyone a great holiday coming up...whether you agree with my opinions or not!

Al

#563562 - 11/30/07 07:07 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Two Singers]  
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Ok Alan Your gonna make me pull out the big guns here lol.

How he got missed (or maybe he didn't) But if he did I think he should be at the top of the list. How about Albert Lee. Eric Clapton himself has called him the greatest guitar player in the world. He has played with some of the greats (Eddie Van Halen) to name one. He also has influenced more musicians than you can imagine the likes of Jimmy Page even. Very fast Very good at melody playing. For fast just listen to some of his work on Ricky Skaggs "Country Boy". If ever there was a most under appreciated I'd have to say it's Albert Lee.
Derek

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Ok some one did mention him at the beginning of the thread though I think he deserves more than just a mention lol

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#563571 - 11/30/07 07:59 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Derek Hines]  
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Hi Derek,

Well, actually, Albert Lee was mentioned in a previous post or two. And he, too, is one of my favorites. And Rockys Skaggs' ut of "Country Boy" is one of my all-time favorites. And ole Rocky isn't too shabby himself! And I agree with you that he is probably underappreciated by the public.

Steve Wariner isn't too shabby, either. And how about Jimmy Capps? Hardly anyone knows him by name outside the studio guys.

Good call!

Alan

#566730 - 12/11/07 04:56 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Erik Braunn, (Iron Butterfly), 17 years old when recording In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, which stayed on the charts for 140 weeks, with 81 weeks in the Top Ten. Masterful playing at any age, (that whole album), but 17?! Wow!



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#567211 - 12/13/07 01:21 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Johnny Daubert]  
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After two years as an office volunteer working for etown, the NPR syndicated radio program in Boulder, CO, I think Nick Forster, bassist for Hot Rize, is probably not only one of the most underrated, but most overlooked guitar players in the business. Week after week I watched him play with everyone from Judy Collins to Buddy Guy to Jack Johnson in every conceivable style and genre. Flexibility is the mark of a really great musician in my humble opinion, and Nick gets all the marks.


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#569037 - 12/19/07 09:21 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Doc Richards]  
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How about Bob Dylan - in the sense that nobody ever much considers his guitar playing, which is frankly fantastic - compare Roger McGuinn's take on 'It's Alright Ma' to the original, and you get some idea how singular Bob is in this respect.

Link Wray is also a much under-appreciated player - especially for a guy who made his sound partly by making holes in his amp!

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#569101 - 12/20/07 01:56 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Dan Tindall]  
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Two excellent choices, Dan. I think those who actually know about Link Wray still appreciate him...but not many seem to remember him. Shame, that. But not many appreciate Dylan's guitar playing...I think most people assume he just pretends to strum or something. He's a wizard at the little flourishes, and at holding down a perfectly accented rhythm. Some of my favorites are "It's All Right, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding", "Percy's Song", "Gates of Eden" from the earlier days, and people better believe he's right there in the live mix on his latest bluesy rambles with that tight-knit band of his. Definitely agree. He's no slouch on piano either.

#569154 - 12/20/07 11:13 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Dan Tindall]  
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Originally Posted by Dan Tindall
How about Bob Dylan - in the sense that nobody ever much considers his guitar playing, which is frankly fantastic - compare Roger McGuinn's take on 'It's Alright Ma' to the original, and you get some idea how singular Bob is in this respect.


I agree with Lyle - good choice, Dan...

"Don't think twice" is another good Dylan guitar song. He also released 2 albums of old standards back in the '90's that I've caught bits and pieces of - very elemental and raw guitar on them.

I like his guitar on many of the "Blood on the Tracks" cuts as well - I think most of them were done in alternate tunings...

Scott

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Dylan even took to playing LEAD guitar on some of his more recent tours, and he wasn't bad!


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#569494 - 12/21/07 07:24 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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Yes, he was playing his Strat when I saw him in London earlier this year - most enjoyable!

Scott - I believe he uses an open 'Louisiana' D-tuning (often capo'd for an E) - certainly 'Simple Twist Of Fate' seems to be played that way.

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I enjoyed this fellow's take on Dylan's tunings for Blood on the Tracks. Check it out:

http://dylanchords.info/16_bott/index.htm

#569614 - 12/22/07 10:22 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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That looks interesting - the way Dylan re-wrote that album just shows how hard the guy worked to sound so natural!

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#569811 - 12/23/07 06:47 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Dan Tindall]  
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I have kind of a bias for Dylan being born and raised in his town of birth. But I know I would like him anyway and continue to like him more.
I saw a documentary of him on PBS.
I thought it was excellent.
Thumbs up to the production staff.

Another guitarist from a band that I never minded and increaingly am getting into is Dave Davies of The Kinks.
Many that have followed The Kinks would agree that he is a criminally overlooked guitarist.

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Matt...Great one, I agree! See?.. I overlooked him!
Check out Dave's playing on their live album from 1979 "One From The Road" GREAT STUFF!


bc
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Dave Davies certainly was one of the first (and maybe few) electric guitarists to see the instrument as an equal to the acoustic - he blends his sound very well with the other sounds around him, and is obvious when required. Great dynamics.

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Dave Davies has the gift of being a great songwriter as well.
He wrote one of my all time favorite songs in The Kinks in 1984 called "Living On A Thin Line".
I don't know how American radio missed that song.
The lyrics say even more now about our times than they did then.

I have played their greatest hit CD "Come Dancing With The Kinks, The Best Of/1977-1986. I constantly play it and am delving more into their earliest and latest albums.
Quite a broad musical scope they have.

I wish I could have been around to see them live.

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Fortunately, I did a couple of times and they were great!
The first time {in 1979} a then unknownn guy named John Cougar opened for them. Dave embarked on a solo acoustic tour a few years back, and I was supposed to open for him at The Blue Note in Cincinnati, but he sold a total of TWO advanced tickets and the show was cancelled! {There's something in the WATER in Cincy!} Shortly after, Dave had a stroke and I haven't heard how well he's been doing.


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I remembered another great guitarist that may surprise some of you out there. Charo is a virtuoso Flamenco guitarist, but most folks think of her as the "coochie-coochie" girl. I have seen her perform on television a number of times through the years and she is still a very fine player.

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Originally Posted by Jack Swain
I remembered another great guitarist that may surprise some of you out there. Charo is a virtuoso Flamenco guitarist, but most folks think of her as the "coochie-coochie" girl. I have seen her perform on television a number of times through the years and she is still a very fine player.


We were just talking about her the other day (discussing her appearance in Pee-Wee's Christmas Special) and I brought up the same point. Yeah, the woman can play.

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I'm listening to another player that I don't think gets enough props from other players:
Leadbelly

Damn, the man could play.

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The man could write, too.

Joe

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His navel was extremely heavy.

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