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#518249 - 07/02/07 05:57 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Adrian Belew is from Covington Ky actually.


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#518333 - 07/02/07 10:11 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I stand corrected , Mr Cushing...somehow, I recalled him being a southern illinois guy...I know he worked alot down there around southern ill university..it was from there that he springboarded into the chicago area where he became a sudden legend.

he did a great version of I'm Down, the beatles song.

Bob

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I'd like to add Mark Farner and Jeff Healy.

Thank you very much.

#518405 - 07/03/07 02:45 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Bob, you mentioned country, so I will mention some of my favorites who may be underrated, except by the country musicians who still remember them, that is Don Rich, Roy Nichols, Albert Lee and especially James Burton.

#518427 - 07/03/07 04:18 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Jack Swain]  
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Whatever happened to Jeff Healy? He had that one huge album, then disappeared. Bob, you're entitled to your opinion about Nuge,but a whole lot of other "bums" made the list that couldn't carry his jock-strap {or loincloth as the case may be.} Careful what you say about him though, he's been known to be heavilly armed!


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#518432 - 07/03/07 04:59 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I see some of the names in these posts of guitarists and wish I would have mentioned them.
I have a non-ending list.
Terry Kath of Chicago I also see was mentioned.
Many guitarists also must like Chicago's output from their more jazz and rock heavy period from the early to mid-seventies.
Or at least better than their later stuff.
I just like Chicago.
Justin Hayward of The Moody Blues springs to mind too. Maybe more for his songwriting.
Not that this is related to guitars, but I always believed that The Moody Blues modernized rock.
Their keybard player (Mike Pinder) worked in a synth factory. And creating his own unique type of mellotrons to try and imitate The Royal Philharmonic Orchastra, used on Days Of Future Passed, brought the keyboard shadings in rock beyond an organ sound and to an orchastral sound.
I know I probably ought to save that for the keyboard forum.
I'm sure there are guitarists that would rather play to that organ. If not without keys altogether.
I'm kinda a sucker for that old Deep Purple sound though.
I plan on doing more of the organ sound with guitar.

Robert Fripp of King Crimson in a sense may be under appreciated too. Although that might be an overstatement since he has been all over the music press.
Not that I get into King Crimson too much, but just in how Fripp made both the guitar and keyboard (he played keys also) squeal and broght more out of the instrument.
Phil Menzenera must have been quite a guitar strategist himself to put his guitar to what Brian Eno did. Eno was quite a bit like Fripp with those odd sounds.

Matt

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#518444 - 07/03/07 08:05 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: mattbanx]  
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thaat was richie blackmore with deep purple...another really , really good guitar player.

the flip side of hush ( I think) has a great instrumental called "hard road"..some of ritchies best playing in my opinion

i think ted nugents name has been mentioned enough..lets get back to some guys with talent

bob

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Doh!!!


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#518859 - 07/04/07 12:29 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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Jeff Healy is alive and well back home in Toronto.
Google Jeff for a better update!




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#518963 - 07/04/07 05:00 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Jerry Jakala]  
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My "serious" musician side appreciates people like Freddie King and Adrian Belew, while my "dumb, mindless, fun" side appreciates the likes of Ted Nugent and Kiss. Some days I'm in the mood to watch "Meet The Press" other days, Pro Wrestling.


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#519243 - 07/05/07 01:13 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I agree completely. BC..

But..some people want to hold buffoons like Nugent in the same light as really great musicians..

That's just silly...

The three stooges and charlie chaplin made comedic films...the similarities end there...
But..sometimes yopu need high art, and sometimes you need burping and farting.
I know I do!


A nugent fan said to me."Nugent must be great..look at all the records he sold"..tow which I replied..
Lemmee know when his sales surpass the Osmond Brothers..or Bobby sherman,,,or Melanie......then we'll talk"
And what about the fact that he's never touched drugs..? I say .."Sez him!"

He does play better than Lou Reed, anyway.

But Lou looks much better in chenille and stilletos

Teds real skill seems to be shooting arrows out of his butt at defenseless animals....THAT appears to be something he's really good at.

Rock on, nuge.

BC..did I mention how much I like Hanson and Abba?

MMMMMMMBOP!!!!

Bob

#519285 - 07/05/07 03:48 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Young (D)]  
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There's a guy name Martin Sexton who is a singer/songwriter out of Boston that I think is just great. Not technically phenomenal, but quite an emotional player. Check out "Glory Bound" on his MySpace page if interested. Awesome song.

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#519292 - 07/05/07 03:56 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Allen Collins, Steve Gaines...Lynyrd Skynyrd
Nancy Wilson...Heart
Walter Becker...Steely Dan

This just names a few guitarists whose work is heard often, and widely appreciated, but still are not widely known as are some others due to the current hype in magazines and such...


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#519303 - 07/05/07 04:08 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Sam Wilson]  
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One more shot at Rolling Stone...Lou Reed,Jack White, Joan Jett ect. are NOT elite guitarists!!


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Glen Tilbrook from Squeeze is pretty badass
As is
Elliot Easton from The Cars.

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For my pick, who didn't even make the "Stoned" list, and is not really unapreciated: Chet Atkins. How did he get overlooked. And what happened to Edgar and Johnny Winters. and Vince Gill, and Leadbelly and on and on.......


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
For my pick, who didn't even make the "Stoned" list, and is not really unapreciated: Chet Atkins. How did he get overlooked. And what happened to Edgar and Johnny Winters. and Vince Gill, and Leadbelly and on and on.......


Ricky Skaggs?

#519344 - 07/05/07 05:40 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Did anyone mention Marshall Crenshaw yet?


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Originally Posted by Kaika Kale
Did anyone mention Marshall Crenshaw yet?


Good call!

#519472 - 07/06/07 01:49 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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People may say it's stoners music.
But there was a metal sludge outfit out of England from the mid-sixties before the term metaal was ever coined that played all throughout America, especially the Midwest.
Named The Gods for their pile driving guitar sound.
The act went through different incarnations and names and became Uriah Heep.
Always shying away from anything overtly political and playing what they felt like.

"Lady In Black" proves there was more to them than a stoners outfit.
In fact, the song has stood the test of time incredibally, even though they were mostly panned by critics for their albums.

The most underappreciated guitarists are the ones without all the mainstream success.
I have noticed that the acts without the hits seemed to have influenced the music seem the most.

Lou Reed is another one of those songsmith guitarists.
Maybe not flashy, but revolutionary.

Matt

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Matt...

What in the world is "revolutionary" about Lou Reeds guitar playing..

Help me out here?

Bob

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By his songwriting and work in what has gone down as one of the first post-Beatles modern rock outfits that has shaken up the scene, The Velvet Underground.
Though Lou Reed did get a lot of help, and those that had expanded that post grunge, punk type of music were a lot more flamboyant.
John Cale, and Lou Reed of that same band, and also Bob Weir (Grateful Dead) were quite unique in their approach.

Matt

#519555 - 07/06/07 10:30 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: mattbanx]  
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I've scanned through here sort of hurriedly,so if I overlooked his mention ,I apologize but how about Tommy Allsup!
His solo on Buddy Holly's "It's So Easy"is to this day one of my favorites.
Then there's Kenny Penny's solo that everybody attributes to Jerry Reed on "Eastbound and Down".
James

#519655 - 07/06/07 06:19 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: James B.Williamson]  
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EDGAR Winter is a keyboardist/saxophonist if I'm not mistaken {and I'm not}

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How about Tony T.S. McPhee of The Groundhogs and solo work

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I always thought Elliot was a rock solid guitar player. I enjoyed the Cars and I thought his guitar playing drove that band very well.

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I'm not sure that Waddy Wachtel ever got his props. He was not an innovator, but he sure was the definition of a solid sideman. He could really cook. I wonder what he is up to these days.

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Ahhh...The Cars.
However they did it, everything they recorded seemed to come out so right.

Matt

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According to Waddy Watchel's my space site he is still rocking & rolling.
He has a few videos there as well.



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#519829 - 07/07/07 07:21 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Jerry Jakala]  
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I was just about to bring up session guys {damn you again Truman!} like Waddy Watchel,Skunk Baxter, Danny Kortchmar, Steve Lukather,Elliot Randall, David Lindley, Larry Carlton, and the like.

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Matt..

As a songwriter, yes.Lou
reed is just fine...but we're talking about guitar players...as a guitar player Lou is clumsy and knows about 5 chords which he plays very badly..
Bob
weir is a journeyman guitarplayer with no outstanding skills or style..again, a very talented writer..but..that's not what we're taling about...

Nothing revolutionary or exciting about the playing from these guys..just like curt cobain and so many of the other strummers names being bandied about...

If you want to start listing great songwriters who play guitar, that will be a very different list...
Irving Berlin was one of the most successful songwriters in the history of the world!
He wrote everything in f#, just using the black kieys on the piano,,by your definition we would have to call him one of the "great" piano players..

All I can say is, if I'm putting together a band and I'm looking for "guitar players", I'm probably not gonna hire Lou Reed..now, if I'm looking for a writer and a singer as well then my choice might change.

Bob

#520468 - 07/09/07 10:45 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Bob Young (D)]  
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Ira Kaplan of Yo La Tengo (see the "Best Guitar Songs" thread)

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Just thought of a couple more.{ Can't believe I overlooked them since I've opened for BOTH of Em'!} Lonnie Mack..Blues guitarist extrordinaire. He's been cited as an influence by such people as Stevie Ray, Keith Richards, and yes...Ted Nugent.
Rik Emmitt of "Triumph" He can play screaming Metal, melodic Pop, Blues, and Jazz with equal dexterity, and his playing runs much deeper than just his radio anthems with Triumph. {And since we're on Canadian guitarists..Alex Lifeson of "Rush"}


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#524902 - 07/23/07 07:39 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Albert Lee- he rips in several styles, (rock, blues, or country)
toured with everyone, sessioned with more.

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#525062 - 07/24/07 01:23 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Moker Jarrett]  
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Rick Neilsen from Cheap Trick certainly made a niche in the rock world, but is often overlooked as a skilled guitarist (composer/arranger) because of his whole stage presence & odd guitar collection. He should go on the under-appreciated list!

#525091 - 07/24/07 03:46 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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Ronnie Earl. I got a small group lesson from him once. It doesn't seem to have helped me. grin I believe he has been ill for awhile now. He is unbelievable.


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#525596 - 07/26/07 05:32 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Kaika Kale]  
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Cheap Trick was practically the king of the live recording before live recordings were in vogue.

So many puppeteers get into the political thing, and mostly just one extreme.
David Lee Roth may have not have been touted as the best technical singer, but he had a personality that could'nt be replaced by any singer.
I know David Lee Roth was'nt a guitarist, but guitarists I have noticed often get overlooked for offering something unique.
And the singer in rock bands was often looked at as the frontman.
But these are inflential musicians, which usually get overlooked, especially on guitar.
I would also have to say Mick Jones of Foreigner is also overlooked as a guitarist and songwriter.
Lou Gramm came out with a very memorable song "Midnight Blue" and played guitar.
Good singers and guitarists that are overlooked also because of their singing presence.
I think time has been a lot better and will be better to the Roth's, Neilson's, and little mentioned players of the world than the imitators and posers.

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#525614 - 07/26/07 09:46 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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I saw Adrian at a small club in Philly with the Bears. His big electronic voodoo machine crapped out on him in the middle of the concert, so he pulled out an acoustic and did a song or two without anything untill the techies fixed his rig. Amazing stuff.
Same small club I also saw Steve Morse, but I think he's more appreciated for his talents.


okay, I thought of a couple more underappreciatted guys:
Freddy Roulette - You GOTTA check him out.
Also the Campbell Brothers.
Both of these acts were highly recommended by David Lindley.

#525615 - 07/26/07 09:46 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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Adrian Legg, anyone?

#526995 - 07/30/07 11:20 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Tom Tracy]  
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I just read through this thread some more, I'm gonna go practice now, I feel like I need it...Moker

#527089 - 07/31/07 10:18 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Moker Jarrett]  
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good incentive Moker! The list can be inspiring. I think the underappreciatted guitarists have more talent than the appreciated ones - they try harder. But that's just my opinion.

I wish you well in building up those callouses and doing the fingerboard dance.

#527485 - 08/01/07 04:16 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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I just want to know where Alvin Lee and Adrian Legg is.
Rolling Stone is still a rag.

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#527511 - 08/01/07 05:55 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Patrickfoy]  
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Mr.Lee was a guest on Cross Roads,The event of great guitarists put on by Eric Clapton this past week end.
Alvin was also Vince Gill's greatest influence!





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#528192 - 08/04/07 05:38 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Jerry Jakala]  
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I saw Kevin Cronin when Reo Speedwagon was up here in Duluth in 2002 do an acoustic rendition of "I Can't Fight This Feeling".

As much as I like Reo's productions, there could stand to be acoustical sets like that in their catalog.

Matt

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I have fallen in love with so many recording acts that I hav'nt stated what bands really made me fall in love with music.The first acts to where I could listen to an album all the way through has been Foreigner and Asia.
I know that Asia had band members with a considerable prog rock pedigree and their playing may have seemed subdued to those who were alive to hear the prog bands those members that made up Asia were from.
I just purchased Asia/Gold, that has all of Asia's claasic rock with former lead singer and songwriter John Wetton.
They really made some great sounding recordings.
And I never saw such interesting album covers.
Really added to the synapses with the music.
At the time Asia came out, prog was almost a dead art. People may have thought that Asia was too simple to be a prog act, but I always thought they were interesting.
I got into a lot of punk and eighties pop and delved into acts like ELP and Yes. Some of these working acts that played their instruments in the eighties helped bring out the rock and harmony in me.
Not since The Eagles and Bad Company have I been so hooked on a melody. Even though I don't have the talent, I like melodic music. Guitar rock has played an important role in that.
The electric guitar is not just solos and hooks.
It is a very dynamic instrument.

I thought with my new disk purchase that I should not leave out any important act that I have listened to that has swinged me to want to pull out an instrument myself.

Matt

#541133 - 09/14/07 10:20 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: mattbanx]  
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Ok here are a few more some may not see them as greats but they inspire me

The Police Andy Summers who could forget the classic riff that goes with this song Do Do Do, De Da Da Da
Peter Frampton How did he get left off the list of 100 greatest?
Joe Walsh with and without the eagles sheesh he got overlooked as well
The artist formerly and again now known as prince yes he played guitar and in a way the was truly revoloutionary and still is
Danny powers Gary Markasky from the Michael Stanley bandGary Markasky One did he can't love you the other did My Town nice guitar work
Ken Goorabian and Waylin Carpenter Steel Breeze Not sure which one did the solo for you don't want me anymore but even Eddie van Halen might have a hard time keeping up lol
Joe Satriani Hey he even got commercial sucess with surfing with an alien
Steve Via again howd this guy gets missed?
Yngwie Malmsteem (ditto)
Elliot Randall Reeliní in the Years No he wasn't a member of Steely Dan but man could he play
Sammy Hagar yes he did play!
Slash from GNR I know most will think all technique no skill but listen to some of his solo efforts he does some pretty awesome stuff
Ricky Nelson (yes he did that solo in itís late)
Even the everly brothers yes I know they were 1960s pop but they did some pretty neat guitar stuff for their time.

The list could go on forever and I know some of these are obscure but google them and you'll see their for real!



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#541213 - 09/14/07 05:03 PM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: Derek Hines]  
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Once again, I can't reitterate enough how gawdawful that Rolling Stone "top 100" was. {Kurt Cobain #11, Eddie Van Halen #70} sheeeeeesh!!! What exactly IS the criteria for saying that THIS guitarist is better than THAT guitarist anyway?


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Nick Drake.
Just listen to him.

#542028 - 09/18/07 05:43 AM Re: Most Under Appreciated Guitarists [Re: PopTodd]  
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Rory Gallagher RIP...an absolute Killer!


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Roy Buchanan.
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