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Hi Folks,

So I have been excercising and controlling what I am eating very closely for several weeks now and haven't lost a single pound. I actually fluctuated UP a bunch in the middle but now I am back to exactly where I started. I am being more physically active that I have been in the last year since the health problems (using an excercise bike) and I am definitely being much better about food intake. Being a diabetic makes weight loss very difficult and that may be the reason, but I really need to get some weight off before I try to hit the road. I am not into fad diets or weird rituals. But if I am eating the calories I am supposed to and I am exercising the amount of time I am supposed to.. what other things can I do?

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Brian,

Could it be you've already increased some muscle mass? Muscle weighs more than fat. So, from what I've been told by exercise physiologists, it takes a bit of patience to begin to see the numbers drop. Exercise ALWAYS helps diabetes and a multitude of other things including depression (gulp), I'll addd. I better get myself off to the gym! or better yet, take the kids for a bike ride. smile

PS: There is also another phenomenon that might be the reason. It actually works to protect the body in case of starvation. When the brain first 'realizes' that caloric intake has been reduced substantially, it automatically goes into a protective mode of sparing calories. It has to do with metabolic regulation. The endocrine system has its ways of regulating all this stuff. It shuts down in certain areas of normal caloric expenditure which actually can increase a person's weight. This is temporary though as the body learns to shift over into burning fat stores. Just takes a while for the regulatory centers of the body to share all the vital information and get things on an even keel. Sorta like a mechanic with a car engine. First, one part of the engine gets tuned, then that reveals another area. Probably not a good analogy but it's the only one I can think of right now. Just remember one cell of the body has as much sophistication as the whole city of Chicago does with 'infrastructure'. We gotta be patient. There's a lotta changes taking place on a cellular level! smile smile :0

Kudos to you for tackling this with diet and exercise! The slow but longlasting results way. I know you can do it! smile

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Drink lots of water instead of Diet Coke or Pepsi.

But proper weight loss is not something you see in weeks, it takes months. Grant from throwing toasters has lost a lot of weight but it took months and months. He's looking fit and trim now which is awesome for him.

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Jody is right! Diet drinks have stuff like mannitol in them (the chemical basis for making those 'substitute' sugars. Once I gave my home health patient some of that 'sugar free' candy she loved (she was diabetic with bad wounds on her feet). Anyway her dietician blessed me out for doing it. (She was 80 plus years old and was stubborn and so I opted for going along with her 'quality vs. quantity' line of thinking. The dietician was 'right' though about the so called sugar 'free' foods/beverages. Many dieticians and related healthcare clinicians believe that they are actually worse on the body than sugar. Afterall, the body has to convert the mannitol (or other ____-ol alchohol) into sugar before it can assimilate it anyway). Requires a lot of fluids too like Jody said, to accomplish all these chemical reactions effectively.

I'm pretty sure all of the 'fake' sugars fall into this category regardless of what the name looks like. Ok, I'll stop wearing my nurse cap now and get out there and get some exercise myself.

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Brian,
do you feel better after a few weeks of your new habits? Bathroom scales are notorious liars. I still get a laugh recalling my wife saying she wanted a bathroom scale that wouldn't break. Change comes over months not weeks and you will feel a difference. As your energy level increases your metabolism will increase too. As to food intake I recommend LEAN beef (rear end cuts). It has ALL the amino acids needed to process those vitamins and minerals and the protein to strenghthen muscles.

You're off to a good start,
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Hey Brian -
I could be wrong .. but it might have something to do with the fact that you are a day ahead of yourself. Today is actually, Friday, April 6th, 2007 - I am confident that once you get yourself caught up ... you will see the amazing changes wink
Just kiddin' witya!! It is very frustrating!!!
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If I eat anything with sorbitol or mannitol, it makes me toot smile

Yeah, Brian, You're gaining muscle mass and maybe retaining water too, so don't worry.

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Well I had a 4 day period in the middle of this last 4 weeks (so it's been a month since I started) where I literally gained 8 pounds and kept it on for 4 days until it started to go away and I was back where I started on day 1. I have a hard time eating small meals so most of my calories are in lunch and dinner with a small amount in breakfast. I can skip meals (which I don't do because that's a bad thing) much more easily than eating smaller amounts. I've compeletely eliminated any extra eating and any over eating. I've only gone over my calorie count 1 time in 4 weeks and I've been under about 1/4 of the time. I found a different diet that said I should have only 1700 calories (I am on 2000 right now) but my dietician and diabetic doctor actually put me on 2400 calories.. so I guess I am going for the middle.

I am really concerned that I won't do well on the road for the summer. Not just in what I find to eat, but my energy level and some other health issues I am dealing with. I thought if I Could get 15-25 pounds off of me in 10 weeks (and a guy my size should be able to lose the first 10 pretty easily.. I fluctuate 5 pounds nearly every day as it is) but so far after 4 weeks I've lost zero. (In fact, this morning I had gained 3 back again).

Ah well.. the excercise is good no matter what.. and controlling OVER eating is a key. At the very least I should stop GAINING weight.. that's a start. And if I can go 10 weeks with daily excercise (22 minutes a day right now at vigorous excercise bike riding working my way up to 30 minutes a day) I should at least feel better as I travel.

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Seriously, if you cut out soft drinks altogether and start drinking water and natural fruit juice (not the capri sun type) but like freshly squeezed or naked juice you'll lose more at a comfortable pace. Knowing how much soda you drink I'm betting you will have a good sized headache for a couple of days while you ween yourself off all that sugar and chemical.

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I stopped drinking diet coke for 3 weeks.. when I gained the extra weight. I started drinking it again (but in lesser quanties.. I drink about 1-2 liters a day now instead of 6) I lost that extra weight which I am guessing was water..

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My doctor tells me that one pound per week of lost weight is normal,If you are active that means 3 hours per week of activity. Run Brian. If you can't, than walk until you CAN run. You have to learn to jog.Ben

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I can't run ever. Too many medical issues. = )

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Hi Brian. Got the news from my doc i got to much cholesteral.I just started like you about 2 weeks ago.I can't believe how good real food tastes now that i cut out all the meat,sugar etc.Hey don't get discouraged.It takes time but a little yoga and getting sleep would be good for you.I only lost 1 lb so far.Keep at it!You are gonna get healthy soon.

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Well, for a year I literally wasn't ALLOWED to excercise. It was too risky. Now that I can, there's only certain things I can safely do. Due to diabetic neuropathy, running won't be on my horizon probably ever again, though walking is to the extent I can tolerate it. The excercise bike right now is great. I used to ride it but had to stop with health issues. Being able to get on there and start again has lifted my spirits. I actually look forward to doing it each day especially when I finished and I can feel the circulation and muscles really working and burning. I sat my butt in an office chair for more than a year. I also gianed 35 pounds (and wasn't skinny before that). I need to lose about 60 pounds to really be comfortable.. but at this point my realistic goal is 25 pounds. If I can get there, I will feel WAY better.

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Hi, Brian,

GOOD for you for really taking care of yourself!! Bravo smile
Don't give up...even if you do gain a bit at first.

Here are the "hidden" thngs that can sometimes get in the way:

--too much sodium/salt. I have to really watch this...or I retain lots of water. I can't drink diet drinks any more, because they make me retain water too much.

-- too much bread/carbs..I have to limit my carbhydrates in order to lose weight...Everyone is different...but some of us seem to have an intolerance for carbs, and don't lose weight as easily when we have too much of that.

It has taken me over a year to lose about 27 pounds, and I sometimes get pretty impatient and discouraged, as I have a bit more to lose!!

Weight loss isn't easy, but the time you spend taking care of yourself gives you a better life in the long run.

It is not always easy to eat well when you are on the road...but many restaurants are starting to serve more low fat meals these days.

Keep up the great work...just keep going...try new things when needed.... You are doing the right thing...investing in your health!

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The sodium in Diet Coke is very low. Even if I drink the entire 2 liter bottle I am getting only 8% of the my daily recommended amount. I don't add salt to anything I eat (never have except pizza which I did eat once, sans salt, since I started the diet. It was the day I went over my calories of course.. but it was my Birthday and heck.. once in a while you gotta have something you love.. ). The sodium in Snapple is 10MG per serving.. so it would be even less for the same amount. I've been drinking diet snapple a lot.. no calories.. 10MG sodium.. if I drink 6-8 a day.. even less sodium.. that's about 2% of my daily value.

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I have to feel that a vast majority of these "diet" foods are worse for you that actually eating good ol' organic food. I read an interesting article in the New York times a few weeks back about food and how if it has more than 5 ingredients that you didn't put together yourself, it's a food product and therefore not good for you.

It also said don't eat anything your grandma wouldn't have considered food or cannot pronounce. Meaning todays mom's and parents were raised on food products. I thought that was interesting as well.

I have personally found that since I've started eating organic food I don't have to eat as much. I feel satisfied without being stuffed. I feel less bogged down, etc... I think my body is happier for it. I bet I'm getting more nutrition and I know I've kept my weight but lost fat (meaning it's converting to fuel and muscle).

Sodium Chloride is something your body needs, but don't buy iodized, buy non-iondized Sea Salt, it's better for you and tastes like salt should taste. That whole thing about salt being bad for you comes from a terrible study done for a heart medication done in the 50's with iodized salt where something like 5% of the patients had an issue with salt - so they concluded salt is bad.

My point is, get real food, not packaged food products. You'll eat less, you'll feel better. It's work to change the habit of eating the packaged and fast food stuff to a more natural and organic diet. But it's worth the effort. Especially if you eat meat. Buy kosher meat or grass fed non-hormone beef/meat. You'll find it cooks better and tastes better too. Same with fruits and veggies, find organic ones with no chemicals or pesticides.

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Yes Brian - Follow what Jody is saying he is very acurate here and making lots of sense. Substitutes are worse than the real thing in many cases.

Avoid Nutra-Sweet....
Water-water-water! I used to drink lots of soda but now hardly any a can or so a week.
I drink nearly a gallon of water a day.

I have gained unwanted weight do mainly to lack of activity, my wonderful medical condition which has not been exactly indicated 100% yet even after 20 (literally) different doctors examinations. 5 of them said it is Meinere's Disease. So the only fact is I'm off balance, dizzy all the time, everyday. A balance disorder 10 years now, Walking is a major problem, standing still aint much of a bargain either and the list goes on.

But what we are doing here my wife and I are not so much focusing on the loss of weight at the moment but just eating and drinking better in general.

The red meat is down to once a week, reduced the pasta, starchy white breads
Pasta backs on pounds and turns to sugar but you know what you have to do from the medical standpoint with your sugar.

Bringing the right fish back into it.. Omega 3

When I can afford it which is hardly ever I pick up this supplement called E3 Live
My friend told me about it and I didn't believe a word he said..untill I took it!
It is algae from the bottom of lakes up in the mountains, Shoots oxygen right into your blood stream 1000% natural "Earths First Food" Taste HORRIBLE! like drinking green pool water lol... I felt the impact of it in 15 - 20 minutes.
Again I dont believe what anybody tells me when it comes to stuff like that I was shocked!

Dont go to overboard whatever you do ( everything in moderation) and just the traveling itself will be lots of exercise.

I'll leave you with one of my favorite scenes from my favorite show The Odd Couple

Felix and Oscar are moving into a High Security building after being robbed at there apartment. As there looking about the new place Oscar keeps noticing all these crazy security precautions and rules, Bolted down furniture, 2 way mirrors, etc..
The manager Mr Duke keeps telling Oscar & Felix "it's for your own good, It's for your own good. it's for your own good"

Oscar turns and says "Mr Duke when I think back on all the best times I had in my entire life, none of it was for my own good" smile


That has to make anyone smile

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Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions. Keep in mind, however, that our current generation lives much longer than our grandparents generation did. With all the worry about stuff that's "killing us" our live spans just keep increasing. Maybe they'd increase more, but there's obviously something happening (either medicine, clear food supply, health care or something) that is causing the masses to live significantly longer. A lot of health care advocates suggest all these things are terrible (too much medicine, too much processed food, bad health care advice etc.) but if not those things, why are the masses living longer and healthier than ever before? And if we got rid of cigarettes alone, the live expectancies would REALLY increase across the board.

Food for thought.. (rimshot.. how's that for a pun).

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Well, I'm not sure that sustained living via popping pills that stop one symptom then create two or three more which then requires two or three other pills and so on, is really living.

Are you sure people are living healthier longer? I see a lot of people on drugs who are acting happy but more often miserable - but won't tell ya. I know people who were in the prescription drug cycle who were on the verge of dying from all the pills. Then got out from under them, started eating raw food and feeling better. I saw a friend bedridden because of prescription pills - but not any more.

I'm just giving you what I've experienced from my own body. I've felt a big difference in my energy by cutting out all the processed food and eating things that I can pronounce, cook and create. I made some ice cream two weeks ago with all organic ingredients (eggs, cream, cane sugar, and chocolate). It was the best damn ice cream I'd ever had. I make my own pasta. I make pizza from scratch. I buy fresh fish. I buy non-hormone meat. I can tell a difference in how it cooks. I can tell the difference in how I digest it. I can tell how I feel when I've eaten it.

I did all this because I was dealing with chronic fatigue. I finally don't have it anymore. Not only did I change my eating habits, but I also started doing Ozone Therapy. I've mentioned it before. It's a more radical form of oxygen that I can do direct into my blood, rather than drinking horrible tasting algae. Either way, for me its about getting more oxygen and eating better. It's been working for me, so I will stick with it until I feel it needs to be changed.

Part of what is probably helping people live longer is that we're the top of the food chain now. It wasn't always that way. Plus, very few people in our country have to rely on growing or hunting for their own food to survive. That probably makes a big difference. One thing I do believe is, its not any one thing makes us live longer, it's a combination of things and certain people under a certain combination of variables will survive longer than others.

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My father has always advocated exercising the elbows (use them to push yourself away from the table a lttle earlier). Seriously though, I have heard and read - like most of us - most of the suggestions above (admittedly the pool water is a new one to me!). I think we can all make too much of a science out of diet and become obsessed with calorie counting and so on. Obviously with certain medical conditions we have to eat - or avoid - certain things. But having taken account of that, and cut back on the obvious high fat things, it is a simple case of eat a little less, exercise a little more. If that's not doing it, then eat a little less, and exercise a little more! Still not working? Then expert medical/dietary help would seem to be indicated.

Not that I'm any role model, far from it! But I've always noticed that the people I know who are trimmest and fittest...are the ones who eat a little less, exercise a little more!

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I learned a great idea while studying physiology in college. If your first meal of the day contains a high serving of bran it will literally purge your digestive tract. My proffessor decribed it as decreasing residents time for the previous day's meals. Being in your system shorter means less absorption time. Whenever I diet(Jan 1 usually) I always have bran flakes with fruit and skim milk for breakfast. Not only do I fill up on a very low calorie meal, I manage to purge whatever high calorie food I had eaten the previous day. Also I am less hungry at lunch. I keep a good supply of fresh fruits and vegitables available so when I'm hungry I can fill up on nutritious almost no calorie foods. A large salad with low calorie Itailian dressing is one of my staples. I've also learned to pay attention to the amount of fat grams listed on labels. Limiting these is key. Your body has to burn calories in order to convert starch or sugar to fat. If you eat fats they are ready to be stored. You can't cut fat entirely though. Your body will sense the deficit and withhold fat that you already have. So choose something you like with just a few grams of fat in it and eat it sparingly on a daily basis.
I reciently heard a theory that varying your daily caloric intake works well. If your body senses you are getting the same small amount of fuel each day it may go into preservation mode and hold energy in the form of fat as a survival mechanism. I haven't tried that one yet but the person who recomended it has lost wieght and regained it several times in the last few years.

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In my case I needed to control QUANTITIES first. Rather than trying to force myself into a "diet" focusing on simply eating consistently less is a start. Once I am used to not eating until I feel full, then I can introduce more healthy foods. I am not a big supplement fan and find it ironic that some folks will say "don't eat this and that or take pills etc.." and then suggest in the next sentence to take supplements etc. Many folks have done studies of the problems with taking more vitamins than you need per day. Excess in anything is usually bad. Too much water will kill you too.

Calorie control is the same for me as pushing away from the table. By simply knowing I can eat X and be at a calorie count gives me a finite place to stop. I let myself eat even LESS.. but stop myself from eating MORE.

Thanks for the discussion.

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Once again fruits and vegitables. They have very little in the way of calories. You can eat the quantites needed to fill up a big guy like yourself. Quality in this sense is as important as quanity. Think of it as grazing. You can eat almost unlimited amounts and still not consume many calories. You feel full for a short time anyway.

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First of all,you have to know your blood type and what food is good or bad for your blood type,you'll get that info from a "natural"doctor.Another thing,what ever we eat,the remains that the body doesn't use,has to be eliminated,if your colon is retaining to much of this waste,you will gain weight and your health will suffer.Eat more live food,like vegetables and fruit, eat less dead food like meats and processed food.Drink little coke,pepsi etc.milk can be bad for you,tea is good,coffee,not so good,good water is best,but not necessarily tap water which has chemicals added.Everyones bady is different and we have to find which foods are good for us or bad for us.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
In my case I needed to control QUANTITIES first. Rather than trying to force myself into a "diet" focusing on simply eating consistently less is a start. Once I am used to not eating until I feel full, then I can introduce more healthy foods. I am not a big supplement fan and find it ironic that some folks will say "don't eat this and that or take pills etc.." and then suggest in the next sentence to take supplements etc. Many folks have done studies of the problems with taking more vitamins than you need per day. Excess in anything is usually bad. Too much water will kill you too.

Calorie control is the same for me as pushing away from the table. By simply knowing I can eat X and be at a calorie count gives me a finite place to stop. I let myself eat even LESS.. but stop myself from eating MORE.

Thanks for the discussion.

Brian


Changing the food you eat can have an easier impact on eating less. With that said it sounds like you've figured out what you want to attempt to do. As for supplements, packaged vitamins are just like packaged food products your body can't break them down very well so they don't do you very much good. If you meant Ozone, well that's not a supplement, it's something different entirely and has nothing to do with diet.

Speaking of supplements, here's a little something to watch: http://www.healthology.com/hybrid/h...ntent_id=2808&brand_name=healthology

Everett has a good point. There is a book called "Eat Right For Your Blood Type" that explains what's good food for your body based on your blood type.

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Brian - try lifting weights also - get back to football days - I ran/run, but never really got the full effect of exercise until I started lifting again...it will make you feel better anyway...


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Doug,

I am just getting over some severe cases of Frozen shoulder in both shoulders. It's not "gone" but the massive pain in both shoulders has abated for the most part. I am going to try to swing some golf clubs in a couple weeks to see what sort of range I really have these days. I had to stop most activity involving my arms 3 years ago due to this. Diabetics commonly get frozen shoulder and there's a host of suggestions of how to treat it. But the advice that turned out to be correct was the wait 24-36 months and it will cycle through on it's own. That's pretty much what seems to have happened. (Did I mention I've had a disasterous health situation in the last 3 years? = ) )

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Hi Brian! Man can I relate to you. Losing weight is soooooo frustrating! I used to be able to eat anything I wanted and stay skinny. Now I seem to have put on 25 pounds in the last 3 to 5 years. I actually eat less. I asked my doctor what on earth was going on. She said that our metabolism really drops, especially after 40. I am sure you have heard that. But gosh, I have really had to try and exercise more. I have a treadmill by my bed and I am fairly faithful to be on it. The more I run the more I weigh on the scale. This past week I haven't even weighed myself. I get so depressed. Then I get mad and the cycle continues. I refuse to buy bigger clothes. I swear it is a life long battle.

I have been studying alot of natural health things. They say a colon cleanse is very helpful to detox your body. I hate to be graphic but we all can hold up to 40 pounds of waste in the colon. They say Elvis and John Wayne both had that amount in their colons at the time of death. Through my studies in massage school and books I have bought on my own I have learned that almost all diseases start in the colon. So if you can do a cleanse it may be helpful. They have kits online and in the health food stores. I did it once and it was a little rough at first but then I felt fantastic. I have to be careful because I suffer with a bit of IBS and anxiety so you can imagine what that does to the colon. haha! But they say people can really drop weight by doing that. If we have junk in the colon we can feel sluggish, have too much yeast in our system and develope health problems. It is a vicious cycle. I wish I had the perfect answer. I am in the battle myself and quite honestly it makes me depressed.

I am right there with ya! Just keep fighting the fight!
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well - ok - sorry - I was thinking if you can do stationary bike you might be able to lift weights...I don't know that much about diabeties except that it can cause a lot of bad stuff...I'd never heard of the frozen shoulder...ack! Sounds painful...


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Frozen shoulder is when the cartlidge fuses together. Movement causes the little areas where it fuses to rip and tear causing huge amounts of blinding (and I mean BLINDING!!!!) pain. Fortunately that stage is the first part as the bonds are just being made. Once it advances, the fusing is too solid and movement doesn't tear it because you CAN'T move. I lost nearly ALL range of motion in my shoulders. The only pain then was any pressure on the shoulders such as the type you get when sleeping on your side. Sadly, that's exactly how I always sleep.. on my side.. so I had a terrible time. I was a little lucky in that the pain was often worse on one side than another so I could sleep just one way then move to the other side weeks/months later.. back and forth. Now, I still have some pain on one side, but if I situate correctly I can finally sleep either direction. I've also noticed that I have some range of motion back.. not all or even half.. but an improvement and it seems to be getting slightly better each month. It may not return to normal, but anything is better than where I was. I am going to try a golf driving range which may be a big painful mistake, or it make demonstrate I really have made improvements. Playing golf is great low impact excercise (all the walking and flexibility). It would be great if I could do it once again. Look up Frozen Shoulder on the web to learn more. Usually it sticks to diabetics and women over 40.

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Tammy..

Well.. I am not sure how to respond.. = ) Just trying not to even think about all that bad meat in Elvis's butt! = )

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Now you really have me laughing....LOL! I guess picturing Elvis and John Wayne with a stuffed up colon is a little gross! ha! Yucky!
Well it is fun to laugh about it.

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