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#455022 - 05/19/06 12:28 PM Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Hi Folks,

So last night the cable went down so I couldn't get on line, make a phone call (except from my cell) or watch anything on TV. It seemed to be a system wide outage and lasted for at least 4 hours (we stopped trying at midnight). I was thinking that there were probably some very unhappy Will and Grace and CSI fans since it was the last ever episode of one and the season ending cliffhanger of the other.

So instead we watched a PBS DVD on Sicily as part of our research on a 2007 trip to Europe. There were tons of very cool old Amphitheaters in nearly every ancient town that was still standing after earthquakes and volcano eruptions wiped large areas of the island away. I wondered if people will dig up a shopping mall, movie megaplex and a Mcdonalds up in centuries to come. The likely answer is no because nothing made today is made to last. Everything is disposable, short term and for the most part generic. I do think they'll find a fascinating treasure trove in all the mountainous landfills around the US. (Do other countries have similar mountainous landfills in mostly poor and/or rural areas of their countries? please chime in if you're from outside the US and tell us). There's a landfill on the West side of Indianapolis which may actually be the highest point in the entire state. It must be at least 20+ stories tall and growing. I am guessing once they are done there, anyone living on top of that pile would have the best view in the state.. of course that's assuming you aren't killed by the poisonous gases leaching out of the ground or burned by the flames pipes that are always lit burning off the gaseous decomposition.. but I digress.

Back to my original observation.. there's a lot of big amphitheaters in these old cities which are beautiful to look at and even more beautiful in concept. Imagine if all our towns and communities had a similar open air amphitheater that wasn't controlled by a large corporation and in which the public could hold events (on a first come/first served basis perhaps) that would entertain the locals. Sure we have megaplexes and bars and night clubs and some outdoor concert sheds for summer tours which are often also located out in the middle of nowhere since there's neither room (for parking of course..) in most cities nor do people want the traffic, pollution etc.. in their neighborhoods, so they get built outside town instead, which of course immediately starts developing so that in the end, there's STILL houses around it which seems ironic). But since these large venues are tightly controlled by the big companies (often a certain Radio network has a stranglehold on it.. but let's not go there), the public at large doesn't really get the "use" them, but simple pay outrageous amounts for tickets and a hot dog and beer to see acts that the same "radio network" allows people to see there. What would happen if every neighborhood had a local amphitheater that was available for public control (i.e. not owned or controlled by a certain "radio network" with the usual Cell Phone company name on the outside) so that on any given night, you could see the local garage band, or the fledgling playwright from down the street or the dance troop of 12 year olds from the local elementary school or all of the above and more, outside of the commercial overkill of most public meeting places today? Would people come out of their caves.. er.. houses to watch? Would they realize that a night without Cable, the Internet and Phone service was not that big a deal after all? The great things about those amphitheaters is that they are usually built right into the ground, so there's very little upkeep, and frankly, not even a need for electricity and sound systems due to their great acoustic design. (Remember, no electricity or Marshall Amps back in those days). What if we had a series of these built in community gathering spots so that when a politician wanted to campaign, they actually had to VISIT the neighborhoods they represented and speak in person to everyone who wanted to come see rather than running used car quality shrill ads accusing their competitors of being everything short of child rapists? What if they had to face those same opponents, day after day in those neighborhood amphitheaters? People assume that technology and modern society is a better way to do things.. like we're advanced because we can be more lazy at everything.. but I wonder sometimes if the "old" way might not be far more effective. First, it would force the reps to actually spend TIME in the areas they are supposed to be representing in Washington. You know.. like perhaps Hilary Clinton would actually have to LIVE in NY and visit the people there beyond a few yearly sound bite/photo op producing visits. Maybe, just maybe, the technology they use today broadcast their message to all of us from DC could be reversed.. let's let them broadcast their interactions with other politicians, and instead have them actually live in the areas they support (or more often neglect)? Ah.. I think I am on to something here.

What if all these rock stars had to actually appear at all these little neighborhoods to perform and sell CD's and make a living? We'd STILL have rock stars by the way, but they'd have to do a bit more than appear on a TV Awards show or play the megaplex music venue. What if the movie actors instead had to perform live in front of the fans instead of cranking out another movie. (Ironically, it seems almost universal that most actors actually PREFER the theater if they were allowed.. ) Perhaps we should allow them what they want?

What would happen if we shifted things in that direction? Would the cult of celebrity change? Remember, we still had "superstars" in ancient times. These historical figures are still talked about today even though most rarely met, spoke or performed for more than a few thousand people at any one time. Perhaps the quality of who we consider to be a true superstar would improve and have more meaning? Instead of Ashley Simpson, maybe we'd have a few more Pliny the Elders.

Ah.. I know it's speculation. Everyone using conventional wisdom says that reaching more people, faster and cheaper is always better than less people more slowly and far more expensively. After all, without technology none of you could even read this right? But wouldn't it be nice to actually know your neighbors.. to actually be aware of the talent that resides right on your own block.. to be able to express your own talents to people quickly and without a corporation in between you and a possible fan?

Food for thought! = )

Brian


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#455023 - 05/19/06 09:49 PM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Brian,
Interesting stuff, as you say, "food for thought". [Linked Image]

Going back to your list of...

Some of the areas we want to work with:

1. Music Instrument Retailer(s).

2. Recording Studio(s).

3. Producer(s).

4. Attorney(s).

5. Radio Promoter(s).

6. Publicist(s).

7. General Music Promoter(s).

8. Music Festival(s)/Conference(s).

9. Educator(s).

10. Song Plugger(s).

11. Live Venue(s).

12. Media Partner(s) (including magazines, websites, TV and Radio, newspapers and any other potential media partner).

13. Anything else we missed.
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Today I came across an interesting article that was posted a few years ago at CD Baby!
I started with a search at Google about SoundScan reports. I was wondering how important they are (or could be) to most typical indie artists. I wanted to learn more and also see what CD Baby is doing, which I think they are through their Bar Code service. I understand they do report various kinds of sales, physical, venue and possibly some digital sales, maybe through some of the DD players like iTunes, etc.
I found tons of helpful info from Derek on this page:
http://cdbaby.org/stories/01/03/21/5356284.html
If you scroll down, you can see the very latest updates right through May 6th of 2006.

Anyway, my search led to a link with an article posted a few years ago at CD Baby. The article was written by Tim Sweeney.
Here's the link:
http://cdbaby.org/stories/01/03/12/5973623.html

Just wondering if you have heard of this guy?
I did a quick search, found his website and it turns out he lives only 10 minutes from my house, in Temecula, California!
http://www.tsamusic.com/contact.asp

He seems to fall into the following mix of catagories:
Radio Promotions, Publicist, general music promotor and educator. Compare with your numbers 5, 6, 7, and 9. He also has a strong background in working music conferences such as SXSW and another big one he mentioned.

I was wondering if you guys have ever heard of him? His resume appears to be very impressive and his rates are probably not the cheapest, but might be worth the money for artists at the right "level" in their career.

Have any JPF members done business with Tim Sweeney & Associates? Is this the kind of service that would be of value for JPF to partner with? If yes, how would Sweeney's services compare with similar services in the same categories that are now being considered for partnerships with JPF?

Thanks! [Linked Image]
Michael

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#455024 - 05/19/06 11:00 PM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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We do NOT endorse Tim Sweeney. Period.

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#455025 - 05/20/06 12:51 AM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Brian,
Ok, just curious why CD Baby is posting a Sweeney music management advice article on their site. It could send the message that Tim Sweeney is a "good guy" and has an important service to offer.

Besides that, have there been any complaints about him by JPF members? Personally, I'm glad I don't need Sweeney's services, but now I'm concerned about other folks here.

Michael

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#455026 - 05/20/06 05:23 AM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Howdy Brian,

I am with you on the public amphitheaters. Here in Columbia, TN, the city has a gorgeous amphitheater that anyone can use if they wish. Last summer I set up a series of Sunday afternoon concerts that had growing support. Of course, I hired some of our JPF friends to perform! The problem is that without amplification, even a great singer is tough to hear..so we have to hire a sound person anytime we want to offer a concert.

I also learned a valuable lesson last summer when one of my performers nearly passed out from heat...summertime in Tennessee is NOT the best time for outdoor afternoon concerts! With temps and humidity hovering at about 98...in the future I think we will consider concerts in spring and fall only!!

Just one other note to be sure you hear about it...Melody got a standing ovation at the Ryman tonight!! That woman was cookin' on all burners! She shared the billing with Andy Griggs and the inimitable Tanya Tucker. I was so proud of her. Didn't get the chance to speak with her afterwards but did talk with Matt, her hubby. He said she is heading out to OR at 6 am to perform there tomorrow night. She is DEFINITELY generating substantial buzz these days. Couldn't happen to a more talented person! Knew you'd want to know!

Oh..and Pineyfest is going to be IN Nashville this year...Aug 2-4. I will send you a personal invitation just in case you have any time to participate!

Hugs,
Bobbie


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#455027 - 05/20/06 11:09 AM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Bobbie,

I understand about the heat and amplification. Keep in mind back when those theaters were common there was no airconditioning, so it was probably still just as miserable at home as there. Perhaps you could hold your shows at twilight instead of the middle of the day?

The better our "communication" abilities get, the farther away we are keeping people. Even cell phones are doing that. Sure people talk AT each other more than ever, but talk with their friends face to face even less because of it. We are getting deeper and deeper into our secluded cocoons in our more and more cavernous homes with more and more things between us and other humans. We tried hard to get our neighbors, all mostly young people, to come see Bob Malone at our first house concert. With 3 different attempts to invite them, we only got 1 set of neighbors to come out of 40 houses in every direction. We hand delivered invitations, then put reminders in mailboxs and even knocked door to door on our street still to no luck. People acted like the concept of getting together with other neighbors was a revolutionary thing to be avoided and hidden from. I swear not only did people not come out for it, they hid behind their doors with lights out lest a neighbor walk past their house and expect them to come. Many of them had that "deer in the headlights" look when we knocked on their doors to invite them. It was pretty scary. One neighbor wouldn't initially even open the door like she was literally frightend of us. It took one of her little kids coming out being friendly to shake her out of her coma. Then you could tell she was almost embarrassed at her overcautiousness. People have lost the ability to talk or relate to others at home. I bet most of these folks are still fine at work. Home has become a cave to hide in. Just as DC has become a big country club to put a wall up between the haves (politicians) and the have nots (their constituents). It's almost like most of them are in their ivory towers worrying that one day the masses might come with torches looking to kill the monster. I bet if we forced them to come spend real time in the community without cameras rolling and flash bulbs going off they'd have that deer in the headlights look to if you could ever get them off their scripted message. It's a sad reality.

Note to Michael: They no longer endorse him either. He had his own column there at one time but not anymore. It's simply a remnant. I'd rather use this column to discuss the daily topic since they rarely last more than a day or so.

Brian


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#455028 - 05/20/06 05:51 PM Re: Friday, May 19th, 2006  
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Brian,
Ok, no problem!
I was just curious since I discovered that article at CD Baby. Hopefully, no harm done! [Linked Image]

Maybe we can discuss these kinds of inquiries (about various service providers) at the Industry Forum another time?! [Linked Image]

Regards,
Michael

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