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Hi Folks, This is the post for all your questions concerning the 2004 Lyric Award and voting process. Post here and we'll answer as quickly as possible. To see the Round 2 Lyrics and Round 2 Voting Instructions, please visit this link: http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/Forum59/HTML/000015.html Thanks to all the participants and judges! Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Question before I start Brian. It says those still in the running are ineligable to vote, but it also says toinclude your entry number so yo can get your six points. That seems contradictory to me. Am I reading that wrong? Currently, it seems to me, anybody eligable to vote does not have anything to atract the extra six point. Which is as it should be of course. One more thought occured to me while psting this, and I didn't see it when I came in. Are the eligable 50 going to be put on their own post to save all voters the hasle of scrolling through all entries? Graham ------------------ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/grahamhendersonmusic.htm
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Graham,
That's a remnant from the original rules which I modified for the second round. I have cleaned it up. Thanks for noticing the old text.
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Graham,
I put all the entries on 1 single page to encourage people to read all 50 rather than a few pages before voting. I think everything on 1 single page is WAY better than 50 separate pages.. almost no one would click through 50 different pages and it would make it very easy to miss some.
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Thanks Brian. Yep. I saw the List. Had read it earlier, but it slipped my mind. Should have checked before asking a dumb question. Thanks Brian. Graham ------------------ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/grahamhendersonmusic.htm
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Brian, I's still confused. I have a song in the top 50. Does that mean I don't get to vote in this round?
Joe
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Joe,
That is correct. If you are one of the 50 finalists, you can't vote. I think the reason would be obvious! = )
We allowed all participants to vote in the first round because you weren't voting on the page that included YOUR lyric. But in this case, obviously there's only 1 page. Rather than have a convuluted process saying you can't vote on your own, or your own gets a first place vote, its best to just let everyone else vote. We have the same restriction on the other categories. If you have a song or album in the running in a particular category, you can't be one of the member judges for that genre.
In the final round voting (after the nominations are announced) we'll have a mix of judges from Industry folks, to Members/Writers/Artists to Fans to JPF Staff and our Mentors. Anyone is welcome to volunteer to be a member/writer/artist judge on any genre they are not nominated in. Stay tuned for that info. We expect to use over 1000 judges in the final round this year.
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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I'm one of the top fifty, and I think this is a very logical and fair way to conduct the 2nd round. Big thanks to Brian!! Best of luck to everyone in round two TD/Tim ------------------ If the Muse fits, wear it
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Brian:
Thanks. In that case, I waits wif baited breath.
Joe
__________ If the moose fits, either you or the moose (or both) have a problem.
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One Minor "Gripe" Amigo....
I'd really appreciate the Lyrics bein' kept in the Original Entry Order, in Fairness to the way we all Entered.
Somehow, My Entry's gone from the Top of the List to 2nd Last in the "NEW List"...
New "Numbers"...fine...New "Order"..WHY? There's a Psychological "Bias" therein, even if it's Unintentional.
All, JMO Natch...but Fair is Fair. Big Guy-Hug, Stan
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Tampa,
There was no indication at all in the original voting that placement on the page had any relevant factor. We poste them in Alpha Order which is a pretty standard and acceptable way to do things.
And I am not sure why the order someone entered in a legit time period is more valid doing it day 1 versus the last day. If it was entered when the rules stated it could be, why penalize someone (if in fact that would happen) if they followed the rules as posted? We're looking for the best lyrics, not the quickest posters right? Posting then in Alpha order removes false bias good or bad, and that's what everyone should want
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Having worn the judge's hat quite a few times Stan, I assure you, while the entries MAY turn up on the judge's desk all in order, first read puts an end to that. Most judges I know, and I do it, will have a, wish I'd written that, nice, not bad, and a you gotta be kidding pile, at least, by the first read. So it really doesn't matter. Real judges will realy read them all, and put them in the pile their opinion tells them to. Graham ------------------ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/grahamhendersonmusic.htm
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Still, human nature being what it is, I will predict you see a lot more lyrics beginning with the letter "A" next year.<g>
dawg
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Dawg,
Actually that wouldn't help them in round 1 would it? And who's to say I won't place them in reverse order the next time? (Especially if I saw a trend of people actually trying to manipulate the process in that way).
Oh, and from the way the voting is going so far, it's 100% clear that placement order on the page has ZERO to do with the votes coming in..
Brian
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Hi Folks,
We have a bit over a week of voting left. Be sure to get your's in before the deadline!
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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I hope all this discussion about Alpha order didn't effect the judges TOO much... My song happens to be at the top of the Alpha list! TD/Tim ------------------ If the Muse fits, wear it
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I didn't see any pattern that supported or didn't support the alpha order as a benefit or detriment. The final nominees are spread all over the page.
Brian
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