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by Gary E. Andrews - 04/15/24 07:08 PM
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Playing on a theme here. Seeing if we get better responses....
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Oh, I sort of play bass sometimes, so I can sort of answer. favorite bassist - depends on the style of music. To me, I think of bass as a driving force that holds the music together as one unit - so I don't look at bassists as "the superhero player" or individuals. To me, the best bassists are the ones that go unnoticed.
Having said that, I think McCartney and Sting were quite good (in their early days). Adam Clayton from U2 really holds things together. In reggae, I loved the combo of Sly & Robbie. teamwork. What a concept.
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My favorite bass player is Henry Strzelecki. Henry was the number one Nashville session player in the late sixties and throughout the seventies. He was a member of the Nashville Superpickers, and was Chet Atkins' bassist for over 15 years. Henry played on cuts with George Jones, Ray Charles, Gordon Lightfoot, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, and almost all of the major label Nashville cuts throughout the seventies. I was blessed to be able to hang out with him some. He was greatly responsible for getting me to switch from guitar to bass. Henry is retired now. He's had some feature articles in Bass Player Magazine, and this was back when Bass Player had a noticeable bias against Nashville. I'll give Dave Pomeroy a call and see if I can get him to write an article about Henry in Bass Player. He sure deserves it. Mike ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
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Andy West, Dixie Dregs
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Yeah, Sting and McCartney...
Jack Bruce--first I noticed six-string bass--he played chords like single notes...
Klaus Voorman--he played for lots of people in the sixties-Yardbirds, Harry Nilsson, etc.
John McVie (sp) from Fleetwood Mac is very background, and I agree--bass is actually the driving force in the band, and, if done well, even the rhythm comes from the bass, not the drums.
Jackson Browne has an incredible bassist these days, too...he's so background, I don't know his name!!
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he's a peninsula...
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I really like Abe Laboriel myself: simple, very tasty and groove-oriented. I think Billy Sheehan is probably the most virtuostic bass player I've heard, though. I wish I could play guitar leads half as well (or fast) as he plays bass solos. He falls into the same virtuoso class as Stanley Clark - except he's rock-oriented instead of jazz. ------------------ Larry www.audibleresponse.com
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Carol Kaye, hands down. The most recorded bass player with over 10,000 recording dates from Motown LA, to Beach Boys to Sinatra to Elvis to jazz with greats like Barney Kessel, Howard Roberts, Earl Palmer, Joe Pass, to Quincy Jones, Phil Spector,and most every group that existed in the 1960s and early 70s. Plus numerous TV and Movie scores where not only did you have to play perfectly every piece, you had to do it by sight reading on the spot in one take. One mistake and you were not called back again. Also the greatest bass "teacher" on the planet having taught many of the best bassists personally, while others, like Sting learned from her tutorials and once mentioned in an interview something to the effect that "he had learned more about the electric bass from Carol Kaye than is decent." In the 60s, the best producers in the business made her #1 call on bass, working 10-18 hour days, seven days a week for over a decade and when she wasn't available?.....the other bassists where requested to "play it like Carol Kaye." And, And, And, she's even a greater and giving human being. The later is from personal experience.
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Any votes for Victor Wooten? ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
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Victor Wooten is AWESOME!!
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Just met Seth Horan at a JP Folks showcase, what an awesome player! He mentioned Michael Manring as a big influence/inspiration.
And what about Jaco Pastorius? Forgot to add him to the list of favorites as well.
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Geddy Lee, Leland Sklar, Tim Bogert
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Carol Kaye is one of my all time favorite bass players. She has been a studio player in LA since the early 60's. You can hear her on "Good Vibrations" and "California Girls" with the Beach Boys and the "Theme from Shaft" as well as thousands of other songs.
She plays a Fender P bass and is a real Professional.
I also like Allen Spenner who used to play bass for Joe Cocker and the Grease Band and played bass on the original "Jesus Christ Superstar" soundtrack by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. His playing of a fretless P bass on "What's the Buzz" is pretty amazing.
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Carol Kaye is definitely one of the most underappreciated musicians ever. She has left such a mark and so few people know of her. I guess that is the lot of the studio session player. It is good to see that she and James Jamerson are getting the long overdue attention that they deserve.
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All good choices indeed. Dave and Gary, Carol Kaye's always been a favorite of mine. She's got a great website: http://www.carolkaye.com ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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I forgot to add Tina Weymouth to my list.
Her bass playing with The Talking Heads and now with The Tom Tom Club has always been very steady.
Tom Wolk from Hall and Oates and SNL Band fame is a great player with a distinctive "Downtown" look.
Distinction should also go to
Me'Shell NdegeOcello for her funky bass style, casual good looks, hoisting that heavy Les Paul bass guitar and a great name.
I mentioned Allen Spenner in a previous list. Does anyone else know of his playing or what he is doing these days musically?
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Watched Bela Fleck and the Flecktones last night on Trio... And, each time I see Victor Wooten, it reminds me who my favorate is. I'll not live enough lifetimes to be that good.
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Definitely Stanley Clarke.
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I am a huge Springsteen fan. I had never really noticed Garry W Tallent's playing in the past, beyond the fact that he was obviously pulling his weight and making the band sound fantastic. The "Live in New York City" CD released in 2001 really shows what a great player he is. Very melodic and inventive lines. The E-Street Band just keeps getting better and better.
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ralph armstrong, geedy lee, john paul jones
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ohhhh how could i forget........geezer butler!
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James Jamerson, Carol Kaye, Joe Osborn, Duck Dunn...............so many hits, so many bass lessons just listening to these guys. Lee Sklar, Tony Levin, Chuck Rainey. I have nerve damage to my left hand and will never be able to play like Stanley Clark or Victor Wooten but love to listen to both. I like flea because he approaches bass like a horn player. My main man is Sting whose playing is often overshadowed by his singing and writing. He's incredibly creative yet easy to play for me with my disability (wrong word really). I love guys who play simply but tastefully. I don't have to play a million notes to serve the song. If I did I probably would have quit years ago.
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All great players. I have an injury, also, to my right hand. A dog bite left me with an index finger that has no feeliing up by the hand knuckle. Luckily I have feeling on the tip of the finger. It only bothers me after a lot of playing, then a little ice helps. All the Best, Mike ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
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I visited Carol Kaye's website based on your recommendation and really enjoyed my visit there. She has a lot of great tips for players. Very cool lady.
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Yeah, Jean, Carol Kaye played the Barney Miller theme. How much cooler can bass playing get? Mike ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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Dum … da da dum … da da dum…
That is my absolute favorite! I can hear it now. The show was great too. A friend of mine was the publicist for that show.
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always a bassist/ just turned acoustic guitarist. i love carol, victor and all. but let's not forget joey spampinato from NRBQ ...very good .. if not just great!!!
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I've seen only one mention of the incomparable "James Mamerson".Did You know Jamerson played on the followng hits. My Girl - Temptations
Bernadette - 4 Tops
Aint That Peculiar - Marvin Gaye
Ooh Baby Baby - The Miracles
To Many Fish In The Sea - The Marvelettes
Uptight (Everything Is Alright) - Stevie Wonder
Heat Wave (U) - Martha & The Vandellas
This Old Heart Of Mine - Isley Brothers
I Heard It Through The Grapevine (2 recordings) - Marvin Gaye, Gladys Knight & Pips
Where Did Our Love Go (U) - Diana/Supremes
Since I Lost My Baby - Temptations
For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder
My Guy (U) - Mary Wells
Your Precious Love - Marvin Gaye/Tammy Terrell
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
Love Child - Diana/Supremes
I Guess I'll Always Love you
Dancing In The Streets - Martha & The Vandellas
Don't Mess With Bill - The Marvelettes
What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
Standing In The Shadows Of Love - 4 Tops
Mickey's Monkey (U) - The Miracles
Cloud Nine - Temptations
Nothing's To Good For My Baby - Temptations
My Baby Loves Me - Martha & The Vandellas
You Keep Me Hanging On - Diana/Supremes
You Beat Me To The Punch - Mary Wells
Little Darling (I Need You) - 4 Tops
I'm Ready For Love
The Way You Do The Things You Do - Temptations
I Can't Help Myself - 4 Tops
Roadrunner - Jr. Walker & The All-Stars
You're All I Need To Get By - Temptations
You Can't Hurry Love - Diana/Supremes
Shop Around - The Miracles
Ain't To Proud To Beg - Temptations
My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder
It's The Same Old Song - 4 Tops
How Sweet It Is - Marvin Gaye
Take Me In Your Arms (And Rock Me A Little While) - Brenda Holloway
Ain't No Mountain High Enough (2 recordings) - Marvin Gaye/Tammy Terrell, Diana/Supremes
My Baby Must Be A Magician - The Marvelettes
Love Is Like An Itching In My Heart - Diana/Supremes
Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - Temptations
Ask The Lonely - 4 Tops
Going To A Go-Go - The Miracles
I was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder
Hitch Hike - Marvin Gaye
I Second That Emotion - The Miracles
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
Jimmy Mack (U) - Martha & The Vandellas
I Hear A Symphony - Diana/Supremes
Shake Me, Wake Me (When It's Over) - 4 Tops
I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Temptations
Get Ready - Temptations
The Hunter Gets Captured By The Game
Stop! In The Name Of Love - Diana/Supremes
That's What Love Is Made Of
Nowhere To Run - Martha & The Vandellas
Seven Rooms Of Gloom - 4 Tops
Pride & Joy - Marvin Gaye
(I Know) I'm Losing You - Temptations
Two Lovers - Mary Wells
I'll Turn To Stone - 4 Tops
Come See About Me - Diana/Supremes
Stubborn Kind Of Fellow - Marvin Gaye
How Long Has That Evening Train Been Gone
If I Were your Woman Gladys Knight & The Pips
My World Is Empty Without You - Diana/Supremes
The Tracks Of My Tears - The Miracles
I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder
Can I Get A Witness - Marvin Gaye
The Girls Alright With Me - Temptations
Shoo Be Doo Be Doo Da Day - Stevie Wonder
Reflections - Diana/Supremes
What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted - Jimmy Ruffin
Baby I Need Your Loving - 4 Tops
Quicksand... - Martha & The Vandellas
Reach Out...I'll Be There - 4 Tops
You Beat Me To The Punch - Mary Wells
The Bells - The Originals
Shotgun - Jr. Walker & The All-Stars
Fingertips (pt2)- Stevie Wonder
Hey Girl - Stevie Wonder
What Are You Gonna Do When I'm Gone (U) - Kim Weston (submitted by Chuck Whaley)
Still Water Runs Deep - Four Tops (Chuck Whaley)
All in the Game - Four Tops (Chuck Whaley)
My Baby - Temptations
The One Who Really Loves You (U)- Mary Wells
This Old Heart Of Mine - Isley Brothers
My Whole World Ended (The Moment You Left) - David Ruffin
It Takes Two (U) - Marvin Gaye/Tammy Terrell
Honey Chile - Martha & the Vandellas
To Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye
When Your Young And In Love - Marvelettes
Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing - Marvin Gaye/Tammy Terrell
Still Waters Run Deep - Four Tops
If I Were Your Woman - Gladys Knight & the Pips
I Want You Back - Jackson 5 (see below)
It's Growing - The Temptations (thanks to Catherine J. Lewis)
Agent Double O Soul - Edwin Starr(thanks to Catherine J. Lewis)
I Can't Get Next To You - Temptations (thanks to John Coe)
I want A Love I can Feel - Temptations (thanks to Anthony Parker)
Heart Breaking Guy - Supremes (thanks to Anthony Parker)
...And countless other Album tunes and "B" sides
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Motown Album Tracks
Every Time I See You I Go Wild - Stevie Wonder (from Motown Legends reissue)
Respect - Stevie Wonder
A Place In The Sun (U) - Stevie Wonder
Hold Me - Stevie Wonder
Ain't That Asking For Trouble - Stevie Wonder
Baby Don't Do It - Stevie Wonder*
Angie Girl - Stevie Wonder
Music Talk - Stevie Wonder
I'll Love You Forever - Edwin Starrs Greatest Hits (thanks to Catherine J. Lewis)
(note: You can hear most of the above examples by clicking the above link)
Sunny - Four Tops (Thanks to Jeff Whittemore)
Sunny - Stevie Wonder (Thanks to Jeff Whittemore)
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Fever In The Funk House - James Jamerson composition (Thanks to Jeff Whittemore) This recording is from a Earl Van Dyke album and it is pure Jamerson...
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The Sylvers - Boogie Fever (submitted by Dan & Shari Forst)
Bonnie Pointer - Heaven Must Have Sent You (" ")
Rock The Boat - The Hues Corporation (" ")
Boom Boom Boom - John Lee Hooker (per "Standing In The Shadows of Motown")
Rescue Me - Fontella Bass (submitted by Bud Rolofson, Colorado)
Higher & Higher - Jackie Wilson
Caravan - Hugo Montenegro album late 70's (submitted by Benjamine Goodwin)
You Don't Have To Be A Star - Billy Davis Jr & Marilyn McCoo (submitted by Andre)
Show And Tell - Al Wilson (submitted by Doug Kauffman from Denver)
Cool Jerk - The Capitals (submitted by Peter Flanagan) actually Bob Babbitt on bass
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Wow! Um, do you per chance work for his marketing department?? Thanks for the info!
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With no offense to the Late, Great James Jamerson, Studio Ace Carol Kaye played bass on "Bernadette", this according to her website.
Motown Funk Brother, Bob Babbitt, played bass on a number of later great Motown Hits like "Cloud 9".
James "The Hook" Jamerson is a legend.......
No Doubt about it.
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You guys have mentioned some all time greats. Chris Squire of YES never gets any love anymore, but he's awesome. I dig Jeff Berlin on Allen Holdwsorth's Roadgames.. I must've listened to that record a thousand times. I cut my teeth on Geddy Lee, but I can't hardly stand him anymore; yet he's still technically excellent. But for feel, Carol Kaye is fantastic.
Paul McCartney pretty much created the kind of bass playing I do so I have to give him a nod. And let's not forget the dear departed John Entwhistle, whose style I never really got into (more Roger Daltry's fault, I expect, as I can't stand his voice) but who was an excellent bass player.
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Okay this one is not for one of the all time greats, but is worth checking out. On his latest CD, "The Last DJ", Tom Petty handles bass playing on about 2/3 of the disc. They were between bass players when they began recording so TP stepped in. He was originally a bass player in his pre-Heartbreakers band, Mudcrutch. The liner notes indicate who plays on which song. TP's playing is really first rate: solid and very inventive. The two tracks that Ron Blair (the original and recently returned bassist of the Heartbreakers) plays on are cool, too. (Check out the outro on the albums final cut, Ron really lets loose.)
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Agreed about John McVie. He plays wonderfully nice lines that are not obvious, but reward the keen listener. Agreed about John Entwistle. I believe his style was the prototype for energetic melodic rock bass. Yes Andy West. Add Mark King (Level 42), David Hungate (MikeD may have crossed paths with there in Nville, Hun played on Ricky's band at the Ryman) and Mike Porcaro (Toto), Will Lee. ------------------ EdX.iuma.com www.soundclick.com/40LOVE www.soundclick.com/EdX
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I've never met David Hungate, but I've met Bob Babbit a few times. He's doing great since the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Mowtown" came out. By the way, great Jamerson discography. I got the "Shadows" book when it first came out. What an amazing, influential player. Mike ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
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This is such a tough question . . . so many players have been influential. I'll try to narrow it down a bit. On the jazz side of things, I guess my main influences would have to be Ron Carter, John Patitucci, Paul Chambers, Jaco Pastorious, and of course Charles Mingus. Mingus was maybe more of an eye opener compositionally for me, but you cannot deny the incredibly power of his bass playing. The spontaneous time and feel changes that he and Dannie Richmond used to do . . incredible. Lots of bass player from Latin music have shaped my playing too . . . Cachao, Andy Gonzalez, Feliciano Arango, Juan Formell, Oscar Stagnaro. The percussive nature they brought to the bass, and the inventive lines they created are just so great. For those of you Jaco fans out there who haven't heard Feliciano Arango's work with NG La Banda, go now to Descarga.com and order En La Calle. Picture Jaco at his peak playing for years in Cuba . . . amazing. There are others that I feel sad about leaving off . . . yes, Jamerson was incredible, and thank god he is finally getting his due. I double the above complements about the book - if you don't have, get it! Rocco Prestia is another great groover. There are so many - thanks to so many bass players for their inspirational work!
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My favorite bass player is the guy who
A.Shows up on time.
B.Can get along with the drummer.
C. Doesn't whine about the "loudness of drums".
D. Doesn't complain about cigartte smoke.
(When you play in bars you can't get around it).
E. Doesn't request to make long distance phone calls from your phone.
I could go on and on, but I won't . I won't diss all bassplayers cause they aren't all this way..except the ones I have encounterd.
Musical Regards!
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I haven't payed much attention to who is who as far as bass players go this past 20 years. But the biggest influences for me when I was learning were: McCartney, Squire, Carol Kaye, Garry Tallent (Springsteen), Jon Camp (Renaissance), Greg Lake (ELP). Obviously, I'm a rocker with a more melodic and far from funky style. Also, a number of those people played Rickenbackers, which may be one reason I play a Rick. ------------------ Stone Marmot www.stonemarmot.com Stone Marmot on Soundclick Alternative pop-rock music: Definitely rock, somewhat pop, but a bit more experimental.
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Tommy Cogbill!
He played on the Memphis recordings of the 60's and 70's, such as Aretha Franklin, etc.
Check out the line on Dusty Springfield's "Son of a Preacher Man".
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I can't believe it! I read this entire thread and nobody mentioned the greatest rock"n"roll bass player of all time, JOHN ENTWISTLE.
The bass part to "The Real Me" alone is worthy of induction into the Hall of Fame!
Get your heads out of your pentatonic asses and listen to what works with rock'n'roll!
"When you hear thunder, think of John Entwistle."
"Take 276, you know this used to be fun."
John Entwistle
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Hey Capt.Analog - I've taken my head out long enough to notice that John's been mentioned by both dbdonlon and ed323 - Entwistle's certainly not forgotten. He's ALWAYS played what was right for the song.
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Both guys in the Strawberry Alarm Clock.
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Rick Danko was an amazing bass player.
Carol Kaye's claim to have played on a lot of the Motown classics has been authoritatively disputed by several sources, including many of the musicians who were at the sessions. I'm not taking sides; just reporting that her claims have been questioned.
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Settle down, nobody ever said that John Entwistle wasn't great, they just didn't list him as their favorite, and that is 100% fine. I am actually a total Who fanatic, I had every one of their albums on vinyl and have most of them on CD. I have seen them three times, the last time I drove from Buffalo to Clevelend just to see them. Entwistle is probably the main reason I got interested in playing bass. It's just that once I started I got more and more into the groove/feel aspect of the instrument and that was not his forte. Which is fine, because he is a total original and no one can touch him at what he did, it's just not how I want to play these days.
Crawling back up into my pentatonic orifice I would like to put Nick Lowe's name in as a great player.
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Entwhistle's one of the greatest bass stylists in Rock, but now for something completely different. Anybody know Dave Holland or Mark Schatz? They're two upright players with different approaches to bluegrass and acoustic. Great stuff! Mike ------------------ Mike Dunbar Music
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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Victor Wooten, Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Jaco Pastorius, Chuck Mingus, Paul Mcartney, Sting, John Paul Jones, Trevor Dunn, James Jamerson, Steve Harris. Those are it, I think.
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One awesome and unsung bass hero is Tony Butler of Big Country. Not only did he contribute to the beauty and originality of their music, but also played with Pete Townshend on several of his hits. And, he created the monster riff for The Pretenders song "My City Was Gone" and also played the wonderful bass line on "Back On The Chain Gang". He's now an independent artist with his own label Great West Records: http://www.tonybutlermusic.co.uk/ [This message has been edited by Kester (edited 10-09-2005).]
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Tony Butler is awesome. I have been listening to the Pretenders a lot in the last week after seeing them on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. "Back on the Chain Gang" is one of the first songs I learned to play. "My City was Gone" is one of the coolest bass lines ever.
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Honorable mention..........
Jerry "The Wizard" Seay of Mothers Finest
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There are the obvious - Geddy Lee and Chris Squire, because of their intricate parts; Kim Stone of the Rippingtons and Stu Hamm, because of their groove and mastery of various styles; then there is Gene Simmons - not flashy, not a "master", but a very solid foundation player. I think I really wanted to play bass the first time I heard "Cold Gin" from the first KISS album. That and "Roundabout".
Dave
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