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I thought this might be a fun topic. When you drop your pick into your acoustic guitar, how do you get it out? Do you turn your guitar upside down and shake it like mad? Or do you hold it flat, bouncing it up and down until the pick is directly under the hole and do a quick flip? Or are there any other new techniques for this old fashioned problem?

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I can't tell you how many times I have dropped a pick in the sound hole....but I just shake the darned thing until it eventually falls out OR gets stuck somewhere in there..The hardest thing I ever had to get out was the electric pickup I dropped into the hole and it wasn't meant to be there....

Good topic...can't wait to see others reply..

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Well actually I don't use a pick. Er, ah, I have used the technique you describe. I shake the guitar until the pick is under the sound hole, do the quick flip, and hope for the best. It usually works. I have an ancient violin that the tuning peg came loose and I had a time getting that out. Now I need to have the violin refurbished but so far haven't done it.


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Picks don't cost much , and don't effect the sound so I would think it would be OK to just carry a few if ya suffer dropsey and when you are changing strings wack the vacum cleaner in the hole and get 'em all out to restock.
Yeah. Been told I am a deep thinker.
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Grahm... thank you for your post... it led to a major musical breakthrough!!! This is great news for all of us. First, the background:

I have always wondered where picks go when you loose them. I'm sure that somewhere in an alternate universe are stacks of single socks that have been "lost" in the drying machine. Right next to that is an even bigger pile of lost guitar picks.

Guitar picks must have a natural tendency to be attracted to one of two places: the alternate universe, or the sound hole of an acoustic guitar. So, if we actually STORED our spare picks INSIDE our guitars, they would be safe and never lost.

Just think - you could invest in two bucks worth of picks and keep them for the rest of your life!

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Position and flip.

Although some picks have been taken hostage by the dust monsters in there, never to be seen again.

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I actually got it down to a science. I hold the base of the neck and the butt of the guitar and strategically shake it up and down (with the sound hole facing the floor). I can usually get a pick out with this method in about 3 up's and down's.

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No sweat BB. And just think. The more ya drop in there, the more chance ya got of shaking one out if ya run out when gigging and don't. want to ask for the vacum cleaner.
Actually. At last sunday's jam at the Hole In The Wall we had a bloke who played the vacum cleaner tube like a didgaridoo. Diddn't do too bad either.
Have to ask him to bring the whol;e thing to future gigs. We could really clean up.
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I was in the "flip and shake" crowd until I devised the Dunbar Pick System for Helping Timing, also known as DPSHT. I found dropping my pick in the hole was affecting my timing--sometimes it would take several measures for me to flip and shake the guitar, spoiling the continuity of the moment. Devising and adopting DPSHT has changed my professional life, while protecting the environment.

One evening after an engagement in one of the local pubs I was changing the strings, preparing to boil them while making a pot of tea (another labor saving system of great environmental impact I have devised), when it hit me--a way I could put old strings to better use than they get on my guitar AND save my picks from falling into the BLACK HOLE.

Tools you will need to prepare this:

Old strings, I've used all guages, including bass strings.

New picks. The larger the better to accomodate the hole.

A bench vise

A pair of needle nose pliers

A butane soldering torch

Solder (the kind that doesn't need flux, if you can find it, or you can salvage extra blobs of solder from the circuit board of one of your old amplifiers).

A bench mounted, lighted, magnifying lens.

An old pair of leather gloves.

A bucket of water (safety precaution for the butane torch)

safety goggles

a dremel with a wire polishing wheel.

and, a drill press.

Wearing the goggles, carefully drill a medium (3/8" to 1/2" [don't know it in metric, sorry Graham]) hole in the center of the pick. Clamp the string at approximately the middle point to the table vise. Insert the string into the pick, leaving a 3 1/2 inch tag end. Wearing the gloves, wind the string on itself in a counter clockwise (sorry again Graham, do you folks in Australia run your clocks backwards the way the water runs down your drains?) direction safeguarding the unwinding of the string while playing bluegrass, anywhere from 9 to 17 winds are sufficient. Heat the winding area of the string in preparation for the solder (being careful you don't melt the pick). Apply the solder liberally, generally the more the better, then carefully remove the string from the vise and dip that end in the water to cool it down.

The next step is easier. Remove the goggles. Re-introduce the string to the vise. Make a large loop in the other end of the string and carefully wind the free end onto the shaft of the string below the loop, forming a sort of "noose". Replace the goggles. Solder the winding of the string, being careful not to solder the "noose" loops to the shaft. Here, a little less solder is in order. Remove the string from the vise and dip this end in the water. Remove the gloves and, using the magnifying lens, polish the solder with the dremel--here you can also grind down any sharp edges of either the core or wrap of the string.

Now you're ready to try the DPSHT. Holding the pick in your right hand (or left hand if you are left handed [sorry Graham, are you folks in Australia left handed?]), unbutton the sleeve of your picking arm and slip the DPSHT "noose" around your arm above the elbow. Make sure it is tight enough that it won't slip if you are doing Pete Townsend "windmills". Now, enjoy your guitar with no worry of the pick slipping in the hole.

I've used this system for sometime now, it only took a few months to develop the calluses on my arms. In the early stages, I'd recommend wearing dark shirts or blouses, in case there is bleeding.

Enjoy your DPSHT.

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My personal solution has been to sawzall out a large hole in the bottom of the guitar. When the pick falls in the sound hole, I just quickly hackey sack the pick back up to the playing position without missing a beat!

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I stopped getting them out years ago. So by now my guitar is full of them, and if I drop one, I just give the guitar a little tilt & hundreds of picks just come cascading out of the soundhole. It's no problem to nab any one of them right out of the air.

The only trouble is that the weight of my guitar has ballooned to a somewhat unwieldy 87 pounds, and the weight of the strap across my shoulder has deformed my collarbone to a disturbing degree and apparently is the cause of a bit of nerve damage to my limbs. But I feel that the grotesque disfigurement and chronic flailing/clenching spasms in my arm and buttocks is a small price to pay for a ready supply of picks.

The "position & flip" technique is also useful as well. A matter of taste, I guess.



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Mike,

I'm intriqued by your DPSHT process. But what the heck is a dremel?

Hey, have you ever burned a pick? To get the best effect get those dark brown/blackish ones (mine are Fender medium). Just set a match to it and watch it go. Oooo, pretty flames. Don't try this trick at home, or with Jim Dunlop picks. JD's are boring to burn.

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A dremel is a member of the rodent family, similar to the beaver and often born without eyes or ears, it experiences it's world through taste and smell, making it quite handy in the woodshop as a bionic woodworking tool.

I've only had one pick burn while playing orange blossom special with a fiddle player who had just taken methamphetamines. the strings of his fiddle glowed like the wires of a toaster. The notes were so fast, not only my pick burned, but the gold in my teeth softened. Luckily, I was using the DPSHT at the time, so the burning pick melted the solder, sticking my hand to the strings before I slapped myself silly.

I've since taken to playing the bass and lobbying for stricter methamphetamine laws.

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Well gang, I never have that problem. I used to but now before a gig I take the pick I'm going to use, put a little super glue smack dab in the middle & stick it to my finger. I've never lost one since I started doing that.
Once the gig is over I light er with a match & watch er burn to a nub. I do use them there Fender medium tortex picks so the colors are really cool.
The only problem with this procedure is if you want to pick yer nose, or butt, you gotta use yer frettin' hand.

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No sweat Mike. We down here are well versed in both English and the stuff you blokes speak up there. Sometimes canadian throws us depending on where they come from.
And metric to imperial is conversion is no hassle either. Pity the same wasn't true for the bloke you lot gave the job of figuring how big a gallon was.
can't believe I never thought of using my old army lanyard to save my picks from falling in the hole.
Mind you. If ya using a pickup on tyhe guitar and use a feedback buster the picks don't get inthe hole anyway.
They don't make feedback busters to suit a classical guitar hole so I am making a leather one now and have designed it to also carry my mike I usually bluetack to the body or just throw in the hole.
Nice little ring of hand sewn leather shoud look nice in the middle of the old guitar.
If I extend it down some to incorporate a scratch plate I could probably go one step further and build in a stubby holder for my beer. And a harp rack save me fishing in a pocket all the time when I make a switch.
Then I would need a slot to keep extra picks because they won't fall in the hole anymore and I would never keep up ferriting around a stage floor looking for a dropped pick.
And nope the clocks go the same way as yours up there Mike. Just 12 hours on average ahead of you lot.
Today is a real great day and hope it stays that way til it gets to you lot Guys.
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Oh, this is all too funny.

Mike, why don't you just TRAIN the dremel to crawl into the sound hole and retrieve the pick? There are all sorts small rodents who could be trained to do this: mice, gerbils, hamsters, dagoos. Perhaps they could simply live in the guitar. You could drop a few peices of lettuce through the sound hole when you're not dropping picks in.

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Legend has it that a Barcelonan Luthier once trained a breed of cave dremels to live in his guitars. This breed was known as the Spanish Plectrum Retriever. Being years before the invention of the electric guitar, he devised a steam powered guitar to meet the demands of the growing flamenco audience. When he installed the feedback buster, this confused the poor dremels, who ate holes along the sides of the top of the guitar. This angered the luthier. He referred to them as with an expletive which caused them to later be known as F Holes.

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Just read RJC's solutionand now kicking myself. I had a hole in the back of my acoustic. It wasn't intentional. Just happened one time when a patron really did not like a song I wsa doing.
I gaffered it up to stop it rattling and did find it effective to rip the gaffer off to get to my dropped picks. But in a moment of extreme energy, I put a whole new back and ribs on the guitar to make it look bettre than I play. Now I se i should have just trimmed the hole up some to make it look like it belonged.
Then. If I was careful where I put my busking collection cup, it could serve two purposes at once and spectators may mistake the sound of dropped picks hitting the cup to be someone doing the right thing, and prompt them to follow suit.
Sometimes I thoink I just don't think enough.
Is that Luthier the same bloke they named the Lutherain church after?
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Mike,

Oh, I'm well aware of the legend, but like many legends there has been a separation of fact and fiction over the years. The fact is, they were not SPANISH plectrum retrievers... they were actualy imported from Salzburg, Mozart's home town.

The REAL problem is that the luthier spoke Spanish while the Dremels spoke German. It was not the luthier who uttered the expletive; it was the dremels. When the luthier was installing the feedback buster, the dremels cried out, "Achtung! Achtung!" (translation: heads up! look out!)

Embarased by what he had done, the luthier concocted a silly story about F holes. Had he told the truth, those holes would have been named after the TRUE expletive: A Holes.

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Silly me. And here I am thinking all the time achtung is what cross harp players do to make train noises and other stuff that makes punters think they can actually play stuff.
Live and learn. Well one outta two ain't bad.
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Since I started using 12" square floor tiles for picks, I've eliminated the problem altogether.

My forearms are now about 24 inches around so it does make buying shirts a bit of a challenge..but..what the heck...

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This has got to be the single most entertaining thread I have ever come across on this site.

The little dremels... [Linked Image] I build acoustic guitars now & then, and every time I reach for the dremel I'm gonna crack up, I can tell already. Thanks...


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And I betch don't have to wonder which pocket ya spare picks is in either Bob.
Hope yo ain't lifting anything too heavy Cobber.
Hey. I just slacked off and watched Steve McQueen in the hunter and it had a good bit of Chicago in it and I thought of ya Mate.
That never used to happen before Days Of Our Nets went to air.
Is Fun Shandy. And I am going to try and get Mike down here. he spins 'em just like an aussie. Better than most.
Glad ya cleared up a dremel is really a tool. I was just off to the pet shop to order one.
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In Santa Barbara, we buy a new guitar.

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A little battery operated fan that blows the pick back out the sound hole, back into your fingers.

Sort of the reverse of the old attach-the-tip-jar-to-vacuum technique.

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Good ide bruce. But why stop there. get a fan with a bit more grunt and really blow the crowd a way.
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you guys have got it all wrong. if i drop my pick in the soundhole i just break the body in half. i'll be damned if i'm losing a 10 cent pick!! [Linked Image]
keep pick-in'
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LOL X 1K. This is funny.

The problem with you boys is you don't know when the glass (er guitar) is half full. You don't take them out at all. You jump up and down while you play and you have an automatic shaker accompaniment.

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PS: Graham was quite correct. It was Martin Luthier. One of his descendents who was named after him, came over to Ellis Island. He was illiterate and couldn't read so he didn't notice that the immigration clerk had misspelled his last name as Luther. Later when he learned to read, it irked him so much he dropped the Luther. And called himself Martin. He learned to make guitars and named the guitars he made after himself. His shop sign read:
Martin – Luthier.

So in the end, he did get his proper name back. This is a true story and his shop still makes Martin guitars.



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So that's what those guitar smashing bands of the 80's were doing. Often wndered and knew they had to have a reason.
Thanks for confirming that. So gladdening to see an illeterate immigrant can still make good and become the maker of the most popular acoustic guitar in the JPF survey.
Also so glad it is the same guitar use in a soon to happen Cd launch that is also using my now famous world wide leather guitar pick as a marketing ploy.
Sorry if I am typing too fast for you to all read but I am flat out making genuine down under, hand styled leather pick, each with its own personal tone built in, and each tested for playability and tonal quality.
These are notyour average 10 cent plastic picks Folks. No every single one, which takes aproxamatly ten minutes to make is then put through a whole gambit if on the strings quality tests which takes anywhere twix 15 and 45 minutes, depending on how the groove moves the testing officials.
So they market around the $50 mark. depending on individual tewsting time.Watch all major media forums for this important evet folks.
One of the pitfalls of the leather pick is, because of their soft texture, they do not shake too good, so anybody using them is advised to throw they empty beer bottle tops on the sound hole to get the best out of their jumping up and down.
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Graham, I actually went with the deluxe fan model, comes with club attachment. Very handy, a fan club right there in the guitar.

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I always carry one just in case I ever get any fans Bruce.
They tell me they can get real excited sometimes and a bloke needs protection if they pluck up enough courage to mob him on stage.
Still got my values and like to pick and choose.
Can see it now.
"No not you Sweetheart". Bonk Bonk.
OK. You'll do" etc etc.
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Okay, you unapologetic wags!! [Linked Image]
I've learned much new and exotic trivia (as well as some solid techniques), I must say!

Noooooooow, let us hear about them annoying busted string ends that seem to be even harder to dislodge from their gitbox lair! (In a bit of actual practical advise, I use one of those mechanic's telescoping rods {no, not that, dammit!} with the little magnet on the end. Easy-peasy when the little bugger is "in sight" of the soundhole.)
What's your take on it? I'm looking forward to more arcane perspectives on this! [Linked Image]

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Good question Pete. I would say the old vacumcleaner at string change time would work fine here too.
Mind you. I haven't broke a string since I started using leather picks.
They now wear out at the frets from the bends the haunting tone of the leather on steel begs me to do.
I'm gonna have to stop playing Summertime in A minor all the time so the wear is spread out more even and i get full value out of my strings.
Just had a thought Pete. Yo get enough of them string ends ya can sew them all together into nice little designs on ya vest like them English busker people do with pearls and seashells.
That would look cute and stop ya vest blowing about in open air gigs.
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I'm glad you noticed those string ends...that reminds me of the story of Jon "panhandle" Calhoun. Jon was part of the folk-gold rush of '71 in Chicago. He made his living panning for string ends out of folksingers' guitars. Jon strung the barrel ends on monofilament fishing line, making faux gold chains for materialistic faux hippies in the Old Town area of Chicago. Not wanting to compromise the guitars with water, to pan the string ends from the pick dust and other detritus, Jon used a mixture of finger-ease and Irish Whiskey to whisk the contents of the guitar into a miniature frisbee, printed with a logo from Pignose Amps, He used this to pan the heavier string ends from the picks, lint, and dead skin filling the body of guitars. He cleaned out the boxes of guitars at the Earl of Old Town, Somebody Else's Troubles, the Quiet Knight, the Amazingrace Coffehouse, and the Barbarossa, all of which proved a veritable gold mine for Jon who saved his proceeds to send young banjo players to Arkansas to learn white "soul".

Jon's necklaces, which can be authenticated, are going for over a grand apiece on ebay. Early specimens sport the plastic barrels from the nylon-string folk guitar set offered by E.O.Mari years ago, and are considered priceless by serious collectors.

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When my pic falls inside the guitar I shake the guitar enough til the pic is right under the sound hole... then I slide my hand, open palm, under the strings and gentle flip the guitar and the pic usually falls right into my hand!!! It has taken many years & many fallen pics to perfect this techinque.
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Now that one I would like to see Joanne.
Mind picture says ya have to flip the guitar longways clockwise. Both sides of the aquator Mike. For right habdres anyway.
And unless ya really got flex in ya wrists.
be real hard to do and not have the pick take of down to the head of the box again.
Thinking about it. Maybe a blob of blue tak on the end of a stick would work too.
Save all that flipping practice too.
Think I will make me one. Will use a real hard bit of rawhide instead of a stick so it matches the mood of my leather picks, scratch plate, stubbie holder, and feedback buster.
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Hey Graham
In writing, my idea sounds a awkward.. but actually is fairly simple... then again... maybe just years of practice.
I like the idea of the blob of blue tac... I think that is something that would be in great demand... this could be your big break!! Get working on those designs ... sure it would fly off the shelves of music stores.
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I believe ya Joanne. Just would be good to see. Bit like we used to spsn our ball pean hammers on our forefinger when I was in the workshops. Do not try this near a window etc when learning.
A claw hammer does not do it I found out. And is downright dangerous when it spins off the finger.
Yeah. I surprised myself with that bluetack thought. Wonder if I should e-mail Bostic and tell 'em to include it on the uses section of their packet.
Might get enough out of them to buy some new picks.
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We've been ignoring the obvious solution to the problem: tortoise shell picks...with the tortoise still attached. Whe you drop it in, you could turn the guitar over and let the little critter crawl out. Reluctant ones could be lured with a little banana or strawberry.

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Fill with water, pick floats to top.

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Sorry, Mike. [Linked Image]

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Jean, along those lines, if you are blessed with a Gene Simmon's sized tounge you could lick out your pick.

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Let's not go any further in this direction please.

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Naw Mike. That wouldn't work. Poor little crittre might stick its head out while you was pluckin and get necked. Then we would have the decency police down on us.
had a tongue like Jean S'uzzzzz ya's have to widen the hole to get it to fit.
Doncha hate it when the post gets over twenty and ya can't scroll back to see how to spell tongue?
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Jean, it was a joke.

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Oh … in that case:

I heard Cyrano de Begerac just used to inhale to retreive his picks.

Nope… not working. Sigh.


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Jean Symonds does the same to retreave his tongue.
Bill Clinton never did though.
Well maybe gasped a time or two.
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I didn't know Bill Clinton played guitar. I know he played sax and I think I recall someone saying something about him playing the harMonica.

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