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#250398 - 04/04/06 07:38 AM When Guitars Were King  
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I got a bad toothache so I cant sleep lucky for me I'm up all night anyaway..
Get Up! Are you guys working hard?

How hard do I work? I could post something different everynight from todays date till this date next year... [Linked Image] But I wont I promise...



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#250399 - 04/04/06 09:22 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Oh man , tooth ache, worse pain in the world.
Back when guitars were king... really really good.. [Linked Image]

Grace of God.. like the lyrics and story. Could use a different melody.


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#250400 - 04/04/06 10:45 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Hey Sub:

I have been blessed with good health. The only problems I have are the occasional toothache and the occasional bout with kidney stones. I don't know which hurts worse - hope the day never comes when they hit at the same time!

Loved both of these. Man, the acoustic guitar at the beginning just has a great ring to it. You guys have really worked out how to make the bridge/break combo pay off too.

"Guitars" is a great homage. And the guitars are very atmospheric - well suited to the song. Wonder if a rougher vocal would work better with this.

Keep 'em coming! These are great ways to start the day!

Scott

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Great job to Mike Appel for clever songwriting and a natural style that flows like Johnny Cash. Great playing Sub! You sure love to play and it really shows.

Hey,,,,where's John Lennon in this?! [Linked Image]

Valid to even mention him with those guys? (Although I am not faulting Mike for not having him in there, as there are many others too, as he well knows by the last line of "yeh, the list goes on and on". This is just for a side not discussion thing.

Lennon's style and signature hooks and some leads were the force behind the biggest music explosion along side of Elvis. Just Day Tripper and Revolution alone could be enough to have him hailed as the most underreated guitar player. On any Beatles video from any year, one could marvel at his skills and creative hooks, along with that sound he got. Even some leads that are thought of being played by Harrison or McCartney are played by Lennon. Sub,,,,any specifics of rythym or leads that come to mind for you?

Again, real good job guys! Two players and it sounds like 24 guitar players! Mike is a talented songwriter too.

I "experienced" Leslie West once. The Spectrum had to be repaired afterward from the power that shook the place! One wailing and powerful player!

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#250402 - 04/04/06 08:37 PM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Hi Sub

Guitars...is a fun listen. The guitar work of course is excellent and the song structure is classic which fits the theme of the song very well. You seem to run through several different genres of guitar based rock in the space of a few short minutes. The drumming reminded me of "Sheila" and "Peggy Sue" type percussion styles, and at the same time I heard the West Coast Surf sound running through it. Nice snapshot of guitar rock.

#250403 - 04/04/06 10:18 PM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Hi & Thanks

Louis - Tooth is gone now.. How do you make a toothless smiley face?
Yes the melody problem in places is absolutley caused by to many words... Recognized that to -but didn't have much say in that...

thanks
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#250404 - 04/04/06 10:35 PM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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tooth is gone? now you look just like me.. lol


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#250405 - 04/05/06 12:43 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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cool song. I also thought it was interesting the way you went through different guitar styles, and all the guitar was played really well.

thanks david

#250406 - 04/05/06 04:51 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scott59:
Hey Sub:

I have been blessed with good health. The only problems I have are the occasional toothache and the occasional bout with kidney stones. I don't know which hurts worse - hope the day never comes when they hit at the same time!

Loved both of these. Man, the acoustic guitar at the beginning just has a great ring to it. You guys have really worked out how to make the bridge/break combo pay off too.

"Guitars" is a great homage. And the guitars are very atmospheric - well suited to the song. Wonder if a rougher vocal would work better with this.

Keep 'em coming! These are great ways to start the day!

Scott
</font>


Hi Scott, - Ouch! to those 2 problems.... But I'll take the toothache thankyou.

I'm gonna agree with you these bridges are killer..

I'm proud of them, I thought the groove on "Guitars" bridge was cool.. The rhythms are all over.. 1/2 time to double time.. and it was quite the work out fingering out that string line live.. The tom rolls torwards the end, The countering guitar melodies against all those Batman vocal harmonies...
Writing one at all is a bitch.. That bridge is a monster...

I'll post just a few more.. next one will be an epic..

Sub..

Hi John,

We talked about the list and I came up with aloy more people.. Some of my favorites aren't on there..
Steve Howe, Larry Carlton, Pat Metheny, George Benson, DJango..Wes! andmany more..
Alot of Jazz guys mainly.. he decided to leave them out as to not make the list longer than the song.
It was more for rock n roll plus guys that inspired rock players.. I guess..

I'm curious about which of the 3 guitar players came up with "Paperback Writer" riff
Is Prudence Harrisons riff?

John Lennon was a wonderful guitar player especially a writing guitar player (the best kind maybe)

But his incredible songwriting overshadows his guitar playing..

Just like Jimmy Pages guitar playing overshadowed the AWESOME producer that he was...

Sub


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#250407 - 04/05/06 04:58 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by beaboon:
Hi Sub

Guitars...is a fun listen. The guitar work of course is excellent and the song structure is classic which fits the theme of the song very well. You seem to run through several different genres of guitar based rock in the space of a few short minutes. The drumming reminded me of "Sheila" and "Peggy Sue" type percussion styles, and at the same time I heard the West Coast Surf sound running through it. Nice snapshot of guitar rock.
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Beaboon - Thanks!

Yes the drums a little Peggy Sue, then I was feeling something different for the bridge.. like Bob Seagers HollyWood Nights, then when i come out of the third verse I felt like a little Stewart Copland "The Police"

I was glad we sounded like some guitar periods a bit but more happy that we had done our own music and parts.. made our own musical song out of all of it.. I never went overboard imitating anyone one person.. As a matter of fact I've never really done that in my life.. It's probably part of the reason I may fit in some of todays market..

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#250408 - 04/05/06 08:33 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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I loved both of these songs. You write some really catchy melodies. There are some similarities in our writing styles. Maybe we co-write something at some point. I have a few of what I consider great verses with weak chorus and vice versa.

Just wondering - how many tapes/cds do you send out each week to publishers/artists?

BTW - in the song 'when guitars were king', you left out Phil Keaggy, a contemporary Christian guitarist play the hell out of that thing. You may have heard of him.

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#250409 - 04/05/06 09:05 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Hey Sub,

I’m sure that the “scratchy record” effect in the beginning of the “When Guitars Were King” song was purely intentional.

I know I’ve got it around here somewhere.

I loved the “King Crimson” court of the crimson guitar king thing!

Nice guitar work with the “period” effects!

Steeped in nostalgia!

A waltz down memory lane.

I enjoyed the listen on both tunes, thanks.

Accel

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Paul composed and recorded the guitar riff on Paperback Writer. Lennon composed Dear Prudence, with he and Harrison playing.
Lennon played the low part (the back and forth notes), with Harrison playing the other to fill it in, which all sounds like one player. This is what Harrison laughed at, and was impressed at, when Joe Walsh played both parts at once for George, thinking it was all Harrison!

Paul played the lead on Another Girl. Back in the USSR has three drummers, (Harrison, Paul and Lennon, mostly Paul of course). Lennon and Harrison would play drums just messing around in between takes throughout the years. (three wanna be drummers). USSR is spliced from the three parts. This was after Ringo walked on the session for ten days.

John Paul Jones produced most from the 3rd album on. Page produced the 1st three and the last one. It's in the official bio, "Hammer of the Gods".

Lots more too.


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#250411 - 04/05/06 03:37 PM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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"Back When Guitars Were King"...GREAT LYRIC.
Enjoyed it very much..

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Greate getar soung!!! Instant classic!!

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#250413 - 04/06/06 04:26 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Sorry I missed this. Is that fun or what. How many different types of music did you incoperate in this song seemlessly.

What a hook "Back when guitars were king" equal and not less than "bye bye Miss American Pie".
Tom

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Thanks Dave!

RB- The melodies werent mine.. I come up with and play all the instruments.. I send out no tapes a week.. I give up!
Thanks!~

Accel- yes the crackle was intentional, I've seen Crimson (love them)
Thanks~

John -thanks for the info.. somehow i dont think the book is completely accurate.. "In Through The Outdoor" yes - I dont think John Paul produced "Presence"

Thanks Sheila & John...

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#250415 - 04/06/06 05:01 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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Hi Tom,

Tom you have no idea how much work that was..
That song has more different guitar riffs & parts than artists have on there whole album..
Try counting them [Linked Image]

My arms almost fell off playing the drums.. I was dying to get to the stop after that bridge section..

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#250416 - 04/06/06 10:21 AM Re: When Guitars Were King  
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This is one of my all time favorites. The lyrics seem like "someone's reading my mail". And the guitar work is wonderful...I read that 13 & 14 year old kids were discovering Floyd, Hendrix, etc., because there are no guitar heros in modern music...tom

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Okay, (repeating myself) Sub, these are unlike anything else I've heard you do. New songs all the time...
This is so fun, it's almost like the UPS guy dropping off cool stuff on my doorstep on a weekly basis.
"Guitars" is a great & novel concept for a song, and the arrangement is tasty. This is like guitar styles buffet - something for everybody. Love the spoken names over the ending too.
"Grace" is just a great song. I hear a little Dylan coming through in some of the lyrics and vocals. Again, tasty guitar work, including the slide (and I don't even particularly like slide guitar, but it's perfect for this song) Retro, but not dated sound, airy, open mix, tight drums. Nice vocal nuances too. You guys did a great job on these.
Here's the deal: you keep 'em comin and we'll keep listening.
Deal?
John Green

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Sub--I agree with all the rest. Great job. "When guitars were king" played alright for me at home. But I could not get the other one to play. It came up with a bunch of "Gobbledy gook". I'll try that one again today. Bob


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