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Hey Gang,
I'm new on JPF and I thought I'd give it a try at seeking material for artists I'm producing and shopping to major labels in Nashville.

Usually I sit down with a song plugger in Nashville to find material for artists I'm producing but since relocating to Los Angeles I have found it more difficult to go back to Nashville just for songs ...

I am seeking material for a Country Pop vocal duo
ala: Rascal Flats-Diamond Rio-Nickel Creek-Big n Rich
Recording in July

Material to:
Travis Allen
Nashville Tracks
2917 Swan Place
Los Angeles CA 90026
323-953-NASH
travisallenproductions@yahoo.com
www.nashvilletracks.com

For those who are interested,
I have a unique recording service producing publishing demos utilizing top Nashville Session Musicians from our remote studio
in Los Angeles California at very reasonable rates. You can even hire your favorite Nashville Studio vocalist to sing
at our Nashville studio too. Our service enables you to monitor and produce everything recording live in Nashville.
If anyone is interested in this type of service please feel free to drop me an email at travis@nashvilletracks.com

So which is it..

are you looking for songs..

or are you really looking to charge for demos?

If you are shopping to MAJOR artists as you have stated then Why would you find it difficult to go back to Nashville just for songs?
Seems like a major successfull person would have no problem if they had succesfull plugger.

Sorry but some of us can get a little irritated and develop a rash about this stuff from time to time.

If you read a little closer, I shop ARTISTS to major labels, not songwriters.
I’m looking for Material to produce on a Vocal Duo that I plan to shop in Nashville.

Publishers pitch YOUR songs to producers even if the artist does or does NOT have a record deal. In the event that the ARTIST enters into a recording agreement, The Publisher hopes the Artist retains the material so that they get a cut.

Seems like a successful songwriter would have no problem understanding this normal routine in Nashville. You should read a post a little more clearly than to be so quick to get all irritated and make such remarks. FYI, I have worked with several top recording artists in Nashville over the past 14 years. Some of it in the recording studio, some of it when I was in an A&R department of a major label in Nashville,
But most of it working independently as a producer with publishers, successful songwriters, independent artists and Major Labels.

P.S. You should have a doctor take a look at that rash.

Doctor said it's just some mild chaffing that will go away.. Thanks for caring...

What's funny about your statement above is that all the successfull Publishers that I know only pitch to establish artists.
or they won't eat...

Also How many new ARTISTS that get signed have any say in what songs will get cut.
maybe (0) if your talkin Nashville?

ANYWAY

Good Luck to you.

Man Jack Black,
I don't know what school of rock you went to but an artist wouldn't be an artist if he didn't have say in the material he recorded.
Where are you from anyway ? What are you so skeptical of ?

I'll tell you right now, a cut is a cut.
Sometimes a publisher will reserve their very best songs to pitch to certain artists they feel would be more lucrative to get a cut with.
I will say that 95% of the publishers in Nashville will pitch their material to any independent artist that has a connected producer on the project.

Again, in my original post, I said I would give this forum "a try"- to seek material.
It wasnt the intention to promote my studio services. I have great clientele in Los Angeles.
Some of them are successful songwriters who have current cuts in Nashville right now.
Some of them are major television producers. Some of them are even major publishing companies utilizing my service to get the Nashville sound. The only reason I mentioned my services was because I read a post on here by a Nashville song plugger who mentioned that he needed quality demos or he cant pitch.
There's just too many people in the industry that cant hear past the demo to hear the song. Especially if the demo sounds like crap. It's easier for them to assume that if the demo sounds like crap, it probably is crap. That's why it's important to have the presentation of your song having the Nashville sound if you want to better your chances of getting a cut there.

I'm looking for stuff that isn't so cookie cutter and a little different from the typical Nashville catalogs. That's why I originally posted here. If I knew I was going to get this kind of flack I wouldn't have posted.
I do get better results when I sit down with the pluggers and pass on material that I know doesn't fit the criteria of the artist.
Of course I can call publishers in Nashville and have them send material to me at anytime.
I can also use the ROW FAX or submit to forum's such as this one. Yes, it sucks going through a bunch of songs that arnt on the level.
But even though finding material like this is a shot in the dark, it's sometimes worth finding that one great song.

Good Luck To You!

[This message has been edited by nashvilletracks (edited 05-26-2005).]

Guys,
if you don't know your talking to a co producer of diamond rio as well as other artist. He is well established and a very nice person not all people are sharks. there are some out there though. he's just not one of them. Matter of fact, when he read the reply he was so upset that someone would question him as not only a producer as well as his moral integrity that he called me immediately. If you notice this is my first post in quite some time because of the same thing. I really enjoyed posting and communicating with you guys and still do in email. All I'm saying is be careful of who and how you reply to someone you never know who they really are. Travis has a great service especially for people wanting nashville studio musicians to get the nashville sound. Everyone take care and God bless you

Scott

Thanks for the nice words Scott ...
First of all I should clarify that I wasn't a co-producer on the Diamond Rio stuff ..
But rather worked with Mike Clute, (their producer) on Diamond Rio's One More Day Album as an Engineer.

I wasn't upset with anyone on here ...
I was just worried that maybe I broke a rule on the forum and didn't understand why
someone felt they needed to make remarks over something know nothing about. Especially when they didn't read it clearly the first time.
I just called ya to find out if that's the way everyone is on here and am I wasting my time here ?

Perhaps I shouldn't have offered my services on here ... But Jeesh .. mentioning a service and sharing connections you would think is a good thing.
If these guys beat you up Scott, maybe there's no need to seek material, or offer help here.
Scott is a connected plugger guys .. he may have just started a plugging service,
but the guy has been in Nashville forever and knows everybody.

Since It's seems to be a prerequisite that if anyone with any credibility must list
some credentials before they post here, I have also worked with several other acts over the years as a producer or engineer with Confederate Railroad, Christian Artist Jamie Slocum, Buddy Jewell Daryle Singletary, and many others.
Some of it was demo's some if it was masters. I also worked at Asylum Records in The A&R department before the merger with Warner Brothers. I moved to L.A. because I have been producing a lot of rock records too. If you would like to hear the most recent artist I produced, check out www.venicemaki.com

Trav

FACT IS YOU HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AT WHAT YOU DO.

Hey Travis,
Thanks for posting. You may check out some songs at www.fiverosesmusic.com. The Web Site is new and I don't think the sound files or lyrics are posted yet but should be in a week or so. If you want a submission E-mail the Publisher at the Site as my E-mail has been acting up and may be a while until I get it straightened out. Good luck. RES.

I'm from Mars By the way..

Please don't take what I say as speaking for JPF. I am just one solo jaded idiot nobody non-successful songwriter asking a question or two.

I just get tired of this "send me your material" crap. If your so well connected and succesfull you would not be here asking folks for songs.
You would know a host of Highly successful established writers already.

There is No shortage of Songs and there is no shortage of Writers.

The industry probably already has the next 5 years of cuts lined up on Hold.

Just tell us
are you really going to pitch songs to developing Artists.
and if so WHO are they
Why is it some frickin Secret.

or are you going to say I really liked your
song but I think it should be demoed correctly and it will only cost you a couple grand.

That's why some people question newbies here and see what kind of response we get.


and Scott,

Thanks for warning me/us to whom we might be talking too.
I guess I should bow to credentials..
I have said nothing ill of anyone except question a few things...


Anyway Again, Don't let what I have said stand for this group...

Send your songs away folks...
Take that shot in dark as was stated.

I'll feel better tommorow when my rash heals.


DAvid

Thanks for Posting Ray .. I'll check your stuff out. I wont need a lyric unless we're seriously considering any material from you. Email me when you know its posted

Trav



[This message has been edited by nashvilletracks (edited 05-26-2005).]

DavidW,
Well it was a good thing you mentioned about what you said not let stand for this group...Otherwise you would be calling all of them jaded idiot nobody non-successful songwriters. There's No secret on who I am seeking material for.The Duo I am producing is going through a name change. They need a more marketable name. Otherwise I would have stated their name. When it comes to finding great songs, I dont care who they are from. I posted here hoping to find "something different". If you are like any other songwriter who listens to the radio and hears the crap being played on there ...I'd say there is a shortage of great songs.

Hi Trav,
I have a song Entitled "Chant of Desire" that might fit what you're looking for. You can hear it at http:/www.cdbaby.com/cd/medlos. Right now it's digitally licensed with Cd Baby but I can change that at anytime. My stuffs copyrighted so I'm not worried about anyone ripping me off. Thanks,
D Medlo

------------------
MedloSongs.Com
M.S.I.P.
"Home of The Medlo's"

Travis,

If you've got time to listen, you can try www.soundclick.com/bands/8/billosofskymusic.htm

I don't know if it's good for a duo, but Scott liked She's Forgotten By Now. Why, Amanda,Why may have a Nickle Creek feel.

Bill

Don't get me wrong Travis.

I may have stated something wrong.

There are a ton of folks here that put to shame what is played on the radio.

And you have come to the right place IF you are truly looking for good songs.

By the way I am only Non-Successful in a Commercial Way..

It's very scary that you were a A&R guy and you are bashing stuff that was on the radio.
Crap sells.

in the words of Don Henley:
from the song "workin it"

But, the barons in the balcony are laughing
And pointing to the pit
They say, ¡°aw look, they’ve grown accustomed to the smell
Now, people love that [naughty word removed]
And we’re workin’ it.¡±
Workin’ it


DAvid

nashvilletracks....Travis, is it? Do you need to hear professionally demoed songs at this point, or will good quality home studio recordings suffice?
John

John,

If the demo's are rough, I can hear past that. I'll give it a listen, just send a link or you can mail a cd to the address below.
Travis Allen
2917 Swan Place
Los Angeles CA 90026
323-953-NASH
travisallenproductions@yahoo.com
www.nashvilletracks.com

May I keep your info in mind?--In process of getting demos done(lyrics on Lyric board 3)So may not be able to get to you in time...I like what Flatt's(I know u said "like', not that it's them) does--Some of it's a little slick sounding, but they go back to "country" w/ things like "Mayberry" & 'broken road'...Long way from the 3 three kid's playing covers @ the Fiddle& Steel bar in the 'Alley'...Anyway good luck w/ your project...Al in Florida

Travis:

If a Soundclick URL will suffice, here's mine:

www.soundclick.com/bands/7/joewrabekmusic.htm

Most of my material is country music of one sort or another (though I can play both kinds of music--country *and* Western). Recordings are just me and solo guitar. Not everything I've written is on the site. I had hoped to get a little time in a recording studio when I came to Tennessee for Pineyfest around the end of July.

If you're interested, contact me, please. Thanks.

Joe

For your consideration. Please let me know what you think. Probably not the style that you are seeking but perhaps some could be adapted to suit?

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=55219

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=75287

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=55220

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=86959

http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=9034

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=86957

More in a variety of styles here.

http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=9034

All are home produced and copyrighted.

Baby baby, I want to be a ringer and Don't drive tired feature lyrics from other JPF'ers.

Thank you.

Johnnie

[This message has been edited by johnnie7au (edited 05-28-2005).]

Hi Travis,

Here's a link to some songs you might be interested in. Let me know if you would prefer a CD.

Best,
John

http://www.broadjam.com/transmit/tr...3723&chkldsxv3=146060&yhgbndsq=3

Thanks, Travis. Here you go:
http://songramp.com/jaybird43
John

Just note folks.
I have not heard of one serious Publisher I have ever dealt with that listens to MP3 links.
Keep that in mind.

ya ... none of them are that hip ...

as if ...

Can you give me one good reason why you think any a&r person or publisher wouldn't listen to any modern media ?? Especially with the convenience of the internet ?
In your world we must be still listening to everything on cassette decks right ?
Do you think we like having big trash cans in the office to dump your cassettes into ?
I tell you right now, not that I'm some big conservationist but I prefer catching a link
than wasting the CD's, paper and the shrink wrap that goes around them filling up the trash can in my office. I know 6 A&R guys in Nashville that would rather see a link on the internet before they even invite you into their office for a meeting ...
wake up dude !

Hi, Travis,

Here's a few links to hear my music:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/emilysanders

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=300811&bandname

emilysanders.net

Good luck!

Emily

Dear Travis:
I didn't reply right away to your message for the same reason many of the others were skeptical. I have several songs posted on my Soundclick page that might be of interest to you.

One in particular for your duo act is "Under Construction" Give it a listen, and let me know what you think. I have a good mix of upbeat and ballads posted, and I have several more demos in the works right now. If you need something specific, please let me know by PM, and I'll see what I have. If it isn't properly demoed, I could send you an mp3 of the rough work tapes.

Anyone who tries to do things a bit differently takes some flack, because we have all been trained to be suspicious of everyone in the business. After all, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. I personally like anyone who colors outside the lines.

I look forward to hearing from you.


------------------
Terry

Don't worry too much about life. You'll never get out alive.


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/terryfernihoughmusic.htm

Good Luck Folks,

Keep us up to date on what happens to your songs.

let us know.

Hello Travis, I would certainly appreciate your listening to the two CDs I am sending you, even if you only listen to the first minute of each of the threee songs. I am also going into the studio next week to demo three more new colabs I think you may find amusing. Two of them would be great for a duo. "That Country Thang" Bill Cooper/ Idamarie and also "Ain't No Music On Mars" a line dance kind of thingy. Brenda Everett/ Idamarie. I am sending you "Sippin' Wine",
Cooper/ Idamarie-- "Fools Aren't Born"(Pretty girls make Em) Danolyrics/Idamarie and "Sittin' On My Wild Side" Bobbie Gallup/Idamarie. I am also including a Country Rap called "BEELZEBUBBA"
Thanks for the opportunity. Idamarie Naelitz 440 233 8009

I just wanted to post a personal reference to Travis Allen and "Nashville Tracks.
I have worked with Travis in Nashville and in his L.A. studio Nashville Tracks. I have done master recordings with him in Nashville using the same players that play on the big hits on the radio. Travis also got me songs from the top publishers & top songwriters in town to mix with my songs on my album and I've never had a record deal.

I had to move back to phoenix from nashville 2 years ago and I still have Travis demo my songs through this service.

If your not in Nashville, Travis has the best demo service you get can for the money. His service is very innovative because he does it live through the internet using the Nashville players and its like your virtually in Nashville, but your in L.A. (of course its great if your an L.A. songwriter, but Im in phoenix and its a lot closer than nashville) I've even done mail order with him and he mailed me a DVD of the master tracks and I recorded the vocals at a studio here in Phoenix.

This guy is honest and for real folks.
I would say he's probably one of the best up and coming producers still available to independant artists because he isnt one of the ripoffs that some of have dealt with in the past. If you have any questions for me please feel free to email me at azsongwriter2000@yahoo.com

Just what I suspected...

Thanks for the kind words Tom.Hope your doing well.

Hey gang, I came here to listen to songs from Independent writers hoping to get their songs cut etc.
To be honest, I have listened to some of the links with no real luck ... Most of the material I've listened to is NOT on the level of what we're looking for but I listened anyway.

I'm not interested in working amongst a group of people with ONE person who has nothing better to do than to make negative remarks about anything he knows NOTHING about. I still don't think I'm going too far by reaching out to you guys to find material outside the box. It just has to be good. Unfortunately a Davidw is one of the reasons why professional industry people do not access these boards too often. Sometimes when your looking for something different, you try different resources. Sorry one bad apple has to spoil the bunch but I don't need to be questioned or prove myself to anyone on here.
In closing I'll say there's a difference between a professional writer and a DavidW. A Davidw is a sour worm who's had no luck in the music industry and perhaps has been ripped off before. But you know what ? get over it dude! move on .. keep writing. It's happened to the some of the best of writers / artists out there. If your talented enough, people will take notice and help you... Get your thoughts on that next hook or melody that begs to be written instead of annoying any legitimate people that may come along on here.

I'd like to thank all those who have pitched their songs. I will be unsubscribing from JPF (no more email alerts)
For those of you would like to pitch material to me privately, you can send LINKS of your material to travis@nashvilletracks.com

Thanks

Travis Allen
Nashville Tracks in L.A.
2917 Swan Place
Los Angeles CA 90026
323-953-NASH
www.nashvilletracks.com

Travis,
This is our Country-songs-only site.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/jerseycountry_music.htm

Upbeat Pop/Country: "Love You Lately"; "Get Busy With It"; "Too Little Time". (all harmony strong with catchy melodies).

Traditional: "The Minute"; "Where Does The Love Go?" (3/4 time). "The Minute" is harmony strong with pre chorus and chorus.

Thank you,
John Daubert



[This message has been edited by dhsongs (edited 05-31-2005).]

I would just like to say that I am a member of Songlink International and I have submitted to several listings that welcome LINKS, so the assertion that authentic people in the industry aren't hip to the 'net is incorrect.

H

Travis,

Feel free to browse:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/davecostellomusic.htm

Thanks

Dave

Wow!!

a couple questions..

and The guy quits JPF and then calls me names and tries to belittle me.

There's a Pro

Let's see...

Someone joins JPF claims to be his buddy
and vouches for his DEMOS. (someones first post)

Where did I say anything negative except to question whether this is just a Demo service.

For Goodness Sake.
I can't believe it.

By the way this BAD apple has spent a couple years here for the most part trying to help people.

Doesn't seem like that's your real agenda if your willing to quit cause of a question or two from a sour grape like me.

Thick skin people
get thick skin
your gonna need it..




[This message has been edited by DavidW (edited 05-31-2005).]

DavidW!

Why don't you lay off the bong and take your paranoia somewhere else.
People have heard what you have to say but I have also had several emails thanking me for just the opportunity to pitch.That's all I came here for. I have made no promises to anyone, I have not mentioned selling my production services to anyone ...In fact I was being pretty damn honest when I said none of the material that has been submitted so far as been up to the level of what we are looking for. I have left all my contact info, my address and phone number..... here I am. I have nothing to hide! A client of mine comes on here (a singer/songwriter) thinking that a personal reference might calm you down and you bashed that with your skeptical remarks too.
The only reason I reply to your remarks is because I don't need my name associated with bullshit. I was simply trying to clear the air.
I have a career here too. I never claimed to be the god of the music business. Just like anyone else I do have a lot of hope on the horizon too. I just produced an amazing record on a L.A. singer songwriter and the record is supposed to hit stores nationwide this summer ...They may even distribute gold ! do you know how much that makes if you wrote 12 songs on the record ? I'm excited for this kid ! That's why I probably shouldn't be on here ... But I have heard great songs come from the most darned places and that's why I'm willing to listen.
So if I may suggest that if davidw doesn't have anything nice to say, please don't post under this topic anymore.
Thank You.



Trav

David,
I don't know the last time that a shark spent a half hour on the phone with someone he didn't know .Travis didn’t try to hardsell.I asked the questions….he answered them. A nice,informitive no attitude guy. His credentials seem in line to me.. I don’t see the red flags you are freaking over.

I could see why someone who is actively in the biz would not want to be here even with one soured apple response though.

I heard the Venice Maki recording Travis produced ..sounds good to me!!. Good luck Travis .I think you got a great idea for a needed service going and I wish you success.

Butch Price

Sorry don't smoke it...
just chase the Bong water with Sulfuric..

Being the ignorant one I am..

and Butch WOW! you have 3 posts thanks for steppin up...(Bashing again ?)

and for Heaven's sake I have not bashed anyone.

I am Going to let go of this now (Deepak)
only because it has grown tiresome.
just like Deter from Sprockets
"would you like to pet my monkey"

Anyway LISTEN...

I'm sure it will be OK kids.

Have fun,

"Don't shoot your eye out kid".

I will not post again here Travis
unless you call me a Lemur Monkey..

I'm going...

I'm going...

I'm gone......

Hey Travis,I sent you an email but never got an answer.Why?

Guys,

i'm glad to see you guys are giving Travis a break. It was really getting rough in here on him. I understand everyone's reluctence to believe someone right off the bat, but you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. By the way Travis I spoke to jeremy the other day and he said to tell you hi.

Hey Gang

I probably shouldn't do this for the fear and wrath of the JPF security guard, my good buddy DavidW. But I don't know what some of these people are thinking with the quality of demo's being pitched here. I can hear SOME writing talent .. but for Pete's sake .. hire a demo singer or get real musicians to play your stuff. I simply cant pitch some of this material to my artists or their representatives. Do you know how that makes me look ? And even if it is a good song, do you know how hard it is to convince the artist that this is a good song but he cant can't hear the "beat" or the groove" ??? This is why song pluggers, publishers and labels reject unsolicited material.... nobody has the time to sort through it all trying to find a diamond in the rough.

Very few publishers can hear past the pitchy vocals or cheesy keyboard sequenced demos.
Sorry to inform you, but in case you didn't know, a lot people in the music industry will turn off your a cheesy demo at the first few bars because it just sounds like crap and they assume your amateur. Getting your songs cut is like selling cars ...Hire a good salesman / song plugger to pitch your songs but for Pete's sake if that car is ugly .. nobody is gonna buy it !! your whole presentation matters here.

I've heard a lot of crappy demos on the job but some of these take the cake.
If a song is good and you truly believe in it, Invest the money and demo it professionally.
You should demo ALL of your stuff professionally because you never know who will like it.
It's been called polishing turds when people hire a professional demo service to record their bad songs. One things for sure. chances are more likely that the listener will turn off that cheesy demo before they will turn off the polished turd !!

If you want your stuff heard ... make good demos !

Again, I said I could hear past them ..
but go ahead and listen to some of the links above...
If this is what I have to work with, Its hard to sell the artists and their management on something that I think would good but sounds like crap..
I should also mention that some of these are good enough !

Here comes The Sting!

Hi travis,

If time permits, please send a very short email ("Good demos" or "Not good demos")to those who posted links, (you can click on the email link from the posts with links), so they know of your pro opinion of their demos, without making that public. I can hear us going: me? you? me? Crap? good?

Thank you,
John Daubert

damn Yankees from New York... what are ya gonna do ...

There is NO sting here ... this isn't a ploy to get people to use my demo service ...
quite frankly my business does just fine without promotion. Again, I came here to listen to songs ...
Just listen to (some not all) the links above that have been pitched and compare it to the links I have provide below,
Sorry folks ...This was supposed to be something I could listen to in the evenings at my own leisure. I have met a few nice people from here .. but the paranoia and rude comments (that are most likely posted by one person using aliases) are simply uncalled for.

I have received several emails from professional people on JPF thanking me for putting up with the crap they have read from the few lame ducks on here. If you want to play with the big boys .. make PRO DEMOS

If you want to hear what PRO demos are supposed sound like go here http://www.tentenmusicgroup.com/demos.html
This is the publishing company that launched Alan Jackson and Keith Urban ....
On this site you will hear publishing demos that are used in the Nashville music business.Even the rough demos on here sound good enough to pitch.
You will hear songs written by Keith Urban and he is singing on these demos.
Here's another one ... http://www.majorbob.com/music/country.htm
This is the management / publisher who launched Garth Brooks, Rascal Flatts ...
There's a reason why this stuff is here just plain folks ...It's called a modern media.

This should also prove to the earlier comments and questions regarding Publishing companies and A&R people don't listen to links off the internet ....
If publishing companies, and A&R people don't listen links ...then why is this here?

They use it because its another convenient way to pitch their material.

Bottom line is .. people (like the ones who made the earlier comments) who never get an answer from a publisher they sent their link to, was because the material wasn't interesting enough to earn a reply.

I'm sure I'll get bitch slapped for this .. but why not, you guys need the help !

For those of you who are interested ...
My company offers a FREE drawing every month to win a demo from us....
If you would like to enter our FREE drawing ... just send an email to travisallenproductions@yahoo.com with the word "freebie" in the topic ...
The winner gets a free Nashville Track from www.nashvilletracks.com
It includes 5 Nashville studio musicians ... If you do not live in Nashville or L.A.
we will send you the master tracks so that you can do the vocals at a local studio of your choice. The only catch is that we do this every month to build our email list ....

I'm here to help guys ... I'm not here to "sting" anyone, steal their songs or promote my services ...I usually only offer my donations locally and to events I either sponsor like "L.A. Women In Music", http://www.lawim.com/links/ "Gina For Missing Persons" http://www.411gina.org/sponsors.html
But there's a lot of crappy demos out there ... Maybe one of you guys can win a free one !

Good Luck

To DHSONGS AND ECA33

I don't have the time to reply to everyone who has sent me links to their material.
Its the same reason why you don't hear from any other major label / producer /publisher who's passed on your material.
I'm sorry folks I just don't have the time, Not to mention the time I have spent on this forum as it is. I have been listening to everything that comes in. If it's good, I will contact you with the info you have provided. If You have not heard from me, you can just assume that A) your song wasn't the criteria we were looking for B) your song sucked) C) your demo was so bad that I couldn't present it to the artists or their representatives.
I do not have the time to comment, critique or consult you on the writing and quality of your demos etc.
If you want to pitch to Nashville artists, I suggest you have your demos done there.

Hello again,

I sincerely apologize for the Sting remark.

I couldn't help myself when the attention of this thread started focusing on Demo quality or lack of quality and wrote unproffesionally. I have mentioned to folks before about the importance of Demo quality etc.. And I know for sure you are on the mark when it comes to how people listen to material. Your demo is your first impression. Like combing your hair or putting on make up or dressing up a bit when you meet people. The sound is the first impression!

This is no disrespect to you or anyone else on the thread. I have no doubt of your credentials I respect what you have accomplished in your career. I listened to your work and think your a fine producer and engineer. That is where most of your noteriaty comes from. When people go to your website and this where I think things got off to a rough start here- It is mainly about the demo service you offer. Read the first page. I read the whole website and it looks like a fine and unique service. But it gives the wrong impression of your goals here that's all. Nothing about song plugging and services in that department, No plans about how you are going to go about exposing the songs or artists etc.. All they can read about is services for an up start artist and and one who's had passed achievements. Featured Clients- Tom Wagner No disrespect to them but even I have more credentials then all combined.

Your company is expanding around the country and I think it is totally cool to offer help in Packaging, Demos, Web Sites and all of it. And it's cool if you come right out and offer your services to people hear too besides the songs and artists oppurtunities. I think just a clearer distinction between all you can offer would help make it easier. It's all good!

Sorry for rambling and the typo's
Yeah from NY we do it all all the time

Peace Sub

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Travis,
Your post about crappy demos really takes the cake. You came here looking for songs and now you expect songriter's to have $2000.00 demos done in Nashville, hire a song plugger at $300.00 or more a month to pitch songs to an over the hill group that is trying to make a comeback. Beggers can't be choosers. If the group you are ?producing? can't take the time to listen to songs that might be appropriate for release then how sucessful are they going to be? My publisher and I discuss this from time to time about wheather a song has to be a super demo to be considered. I have been told by contacts that they would rather hear a raw demo rather than a polished demo. I have heard back from Tony Brown on submissions. If he can reply, ??? I realize that 99 percent of songs submitted are not what an Artist needs but the quality of the demo shouldn't matter. I do have work tapes of my songs that when the listing seems to be right I send them. Most of us don't have gazillions of dollars to make super demos. One more thing. If your group expects to be sucessful in their return, they better take a few chances in finding new material. My publisher and I also discuss the quality of material avaliable in Nashville. We do see requests every month from writer's outside Nashville. I don't wonder why. Good luck.

I don't expect "super 2000 dollar demos". I only charge a fraction of that for our demos.
I am saying that a guitar/vocal is better than a cheesy keyboard programmed demo. Did you listen to the links ??? that's what demos are supposed to sound like. even the guitar vocal demos on there sound great. You can hear the lyric, the melody and no cheesy Casio keyboard keeping rhythm. I'm not here to insult you guys ... But some of you wonder why you haven't had any success with your material. As they say, "When in Rome" If your pitching demos to Nashville, pitch them demos made in Nashville. You'll make your plugger much happier!

As they say, "When in Rome" If your pitching demos to Nashville, pitch them demos made in Nashville. You'll make your plugger much happier! [/B][/QUOTE]

Travis,
I know you are trying to be on the up and up but I've got something to say about Nashville demos. I had some of those "Nashville" demos done and they sucked. I was ashamed that I spent money I could have bought my kids groceries with on the "CRAP" I got back from Nashville. So don't go plugging Nashville quality to me. My MP3 that I recorded at a local studio sounded 100% better than what I got from anybody else claiming to be a demo provider. Let me be honest, if I were to take any one of the three demos I got from Nashville to a major labels and try to pitch it, They would laugh me out of the building. All I'm saying is this, be careful about whose horn you toot.
Ric



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