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#184992 - 07/07/04 02:36 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Cable TV made that "No commercials" promise when it came out. The commercials will come eventually. I prefer independant college radio. I don't care for prime time "country radio". Too predictable. Most radio today is I guess. I generally like most genres of music. And I am always looking for something that probably will not be found on mainstream. Like Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Kings X., Dada, etc... Or local area artists.

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#184993 - 07/11/04 11:23 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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who care what the music has come to- as long as it feels good in your soul. classifications come as a means to identify with a certain sound of interest. it doesnt mean that country has to STAY as we've all traditionally known it as- it just means at one time someone picked up a fiddle & said lets call this country. The bottom line is music- as long as music is being made- which it is- regardless of whether or not it fits your taste-then why do we care if its stepping out of its classification bounds?

If any one of us were in the shoes of high paid musicians- we too would do some crazy things to earn a buck.


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#184995 - 07/12/04 08:27 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Anything hangs around this long just has to have a song in it.
Graham
And a 1 2 3 4. Yea Hawwwwwwww!
Whatís Country Come To
© Copyright APRA Graham Henderson 2004
Whatís country come to?
Is a question bandied about.
Itís a valid ask, but no mean task.
To get an answer out.
ĎCause country is what you want it to be.
Well thatís how it seems to me.
You asked so Iím giving you.
My philsophy.

Once was a time some one would strum.
A chord on a guitar.
And someone else would start blowing.
Bass notes on a jar.
Then maybe somebody who could fiddle.
Would put their bow into gear.
Oh and I tell you.
It was candy to the ear.

Thatís how it used to be.
But not any more.
These days it takes an orchestra.
To get a foot inside the door.
It takes back-up singers and dancers.
Mixers and lighting men.
If you want to have any chance.
Of making the top ten.

Some folks believe Jimmy Rogers.
Must be turning in his grave.
As he listens to the songs today.
And sees the way we all behave.
But remember Jimmy Rogers.
Was an rebel in his day.
And he got to be a legend.
By doing things his way.
Instrumental
And what is country anyway?
Its just an off shoot of the blues.
And the blues came from God knows where.
Thereís a lot of theories you can choose.
It all boils down to what you like.
And how you want to play
So just enjoy the experience.
And put your worry beads a way.

Now back to the original question.
Whatís country come to?
I think the answer to that ask.
Is entirely up to you.
But you asked for my opinion.
So the answer according to me.
Whatís coce to country. Nothing!
Its come, to the twenty first century.


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#184996 - 07/13/04 12:45 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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I can understand why everyone is upset that Uncle Kracker got a shot at CMT- what he does isnt music.....
Would everyone be making such a fuss if Frank Sinatra had made a song with Kenny Chesney?
What about Aerosmith & Brooks & Dunn?


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#184997 - 07/13/04 01:07 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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I didn't hear anybody complaining when Ray Charles and Ella did their country numbers.
The noise to the lyric that came from this post is now up on my Soundclick.
I already see a change so will wait until I add that before puting it up on SongRamp as ya can't edit the soundfiles there like in Soundclick.
I had fun with it.
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#184998 - 07/13/04 12:06 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Graham:
I didn't hear anybody complaining when Ray Charles and Ella did their country numbers.


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That's because it was 40 years ago and the complaints are long forgotten. But they were there, big time. There was a lot of resentment about Charles.

#184999 - 07/13/04 02:11 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Thanks Trieman.
I musta been out of the room making a coffee then and didn't hear them.
Hang on. Forty years ago? Was it that long ago?
I was too young to drink coffee then.
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#185000 - 07/13/04 04:56 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Not quite true Truman,
Ray Charles did the duet with Willie much more recent than that..."Seven Spanish Angels" So Ray is acceptable.... what about Julio Iglasias? or is it only Uncle Kracker?
"country" (not going to debate which are "real" country) singers doing a duet with non-country singers is a common occurance. has happened often over the years. Just as non traditional rock/pop singers have done duets.


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#185001 - 07/13/04 11:36 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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I presumed Graham was referring to Ray's groundbreaking recordings back in the 60's when he created the "modern" sound of country music. It was an important historical event. Thanks to the cushion of decades, his work in Nashville is praised by nearly everyone, but it was quite controversial at the time, and was resented by many in country music.

#185002 - 07/14/04 12:16 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Wow Truman,
I don't remember Ray Charles creating the "Modern" sound in the 60's of country music.
No doubt Ray Charles covered some great country songs and did a great job but I can't quite agree with your description of him creating modern country music.

Hank Williams opened the door to modern country music. It began to change in 1956 when Elvis showed up.

One story was that Harlan Howard wrote a song entitled, "BUSTED", that he didn't want Ray Charles to record. Well we know the results.
Don Gibson wrote and recorded the song, " I CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU", that Ray Covered and had a big hit on.

I do remember big hits by George Jones, Marty Robbins, and Hank Thompson but none by Ray Charles. They were probably there but not that I heard. The important thing here is you never know who will record your song so keep writing.
Don Gibson also wrote SWEET DREAMS, first recorded by Faron Young and then covered by Patsy Cline of which we usually hear it by.

Dolly Parton wrote the song I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU but the version we usually hear is by Whitney Houston.

I don't ever remember anyone putting down Ray Charles for recording country songs. They still play them here on one station. If only some were recording such songs today.
There is no doubt that todays country music is scraping the bottom of the barrel.


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#185003 - 07/14/04 02:02 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Yep. That was the era Trueman. I never heard any fuss about it. Just a whole heap of music I liked a lot.
Who was that ugly guitarist who used to back up the Collins Kids back in the 50's?
Ranch Party I think it was called. Gutarist
He sure could play, and I believe he was a bit of an inovaytor himself whoever he was.
Iwas too busy checking out the Collins Chick to find out who he was.
Now she was cute.
Graham

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#185004 - 07/14/04 10:36 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Graham:
Yep. That was the era Trueman. I never heard any fuss about it. Just a whole heap of music I liked a lot.

Graham

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Perhaps the past duets with those mentioned were okay because the crossover artist had a voice and could sing. Uncle Kracker has none of those qualities. Fact is, the record companies are using these people to try to attract the younger listeners to country. It's all about the money.

#185005 - 07/14/04 12:21 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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In 1962, Charles decided to release an album of country music, "Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music," which broke new ground by combining soul and country music and was seen as risky and controversial by many observers at the time. But Charles fooled them all; the album went to No. 1, as did one of its singles, Charles' rendition of Don Gibson's "I Can't Stop Loving You." He soon followed the album up with "Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music, Vol. 2."

Ray does not remember this happening, and Graham does not remember any fuss about it, but I assure you, both occurred.

The influence of these recordings spread throughout country music, and is still called the "modern" sound, even though there is nothing modern about it. It is also sometimes called the "new" sound, although there is nothing new about it either.

Part of the fuss over it was purely racial. The American South was not exactly enlightened about racial matters in 1962. And no one--to this day--has ever accused Nashville of being out on the edge of social reform. Another part of the fuss was musical...Ray's style was radically different for country music. In fact, "I Can't Sop Loving You" and other songs from the album are R&B standards. Ray did what he did best: he busted down walls. Whenever someone busts down a wall, someone else complains about it.



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#185006 - 07/14/04 09:18 PM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Yep. I see all that too Trrueman.
It all boils down to the grafting cutings onto the roots.
As I say in my song o this subject, Jimmy Rogers who is the claimed grandfather of Country was, and will always be a blues man in my book. Hank Williams added another dimention which was ground breaking in its time and is now what a lot of people call good old style country. Johnny Cash the same. The outlaw lot.
It is just moving with the time.
It doesn't mean you can't still love the old stuff. Just do what the ones mentioned did. Se if you can add a bit of yourself to what you do.
Never know. Someday somembody may be using you as an example in a similar thread down the line.
Re me not hearing about the clamour about it, It is probable I was too busy working to spend any time becoming a guru then.
Liike when Clapton bought out Tears In Heaven and the jocks flogged it into number one here with the spiel it was a grieving father's tribute to his dead kid. Then a few years ago I found out Will Jenning actually wrote the lyric. The Jocks never mentioned that and neither did Clapton to my knowledge.
Graham


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#185007 - 07/31/04 04:53 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Well, I started reading this thread and got through the first several posts and realized the thread is three pages long!

Anyway, big subject, lots of opinions. Most of the few posts I read seemed to think that country today is pop and isn't worth listening too.

I beg to differ.

First of all, for someone who is familiar with the genre and the artists, there are lots of country acts that are still country.

Secondly, there is some SERIOUSLY talented songwriting going on in the country genre today. Great, great writing out there.

And third, while it's true that there are acts that are doing pop country, and a lot of country today has elements of rock in it but... people like rock, and people like pop.

The artists and writers of today are expressing themselves and coming out with pop country because they have pop/rock backgrounds. It's hard to escape in todays' world.

But even "traditional country" is a hodgepodge development, of folk music, gospel, and blues... all popular music of their time. It's only natural that rock and pop would be added to the mix, and now even rap... :~

But the thing is, for the traditional country fan, there is plenty of great music out there. And for the rock/pop fan, there is plenty of great music out there. There's something for everyone! [Linked Image] We just have to dig a little deeper. And the trouble isn't the genre... it's radio! [Linked Image]

I'll try and read some more of these comments. After three pages, someone might have already said this.

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#185008 - 07/31/04 06:23 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Well, I've read the entire thread, and everything I said had already been said one way or the other and then some. Great thread. Lot's of good thoughts and info here.

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#185009 - 08/01/04 03:16 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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HiDee Folks, have enjoyed the Thread.

Wee bit more on Vincent Van Gogh (Exhibit "A"..for Artisanship): I've visited his Museum in Amsterdam, & as ya enter the Place it's got big black 3-D lettering on the walls in 3-4 Languages with Vincent's Direct Quote.."I consider my life a complete & abject failure." The poor guy only sold ONE painting in his Lifetime. Were it not for Van Gogh's Brother's WIFE Marketing his Paintings after his Death, he woulda NEVER been appreciated much by the World Today.

The Moral: An Artist needs SOME KINDA DISTRIBUTION to keep Sales & Feedback (& Morale) Going...as far as I can see it.

But today's Larger Distribution Networks don't WANT the VV Gogh's of the Music World...nothin' TOO Different from What's ALREADY SELLING will do, any more.

I knew Nashville had Changed when I went into that MacDonald's near Music Row a few years back & insteada COUNTRY Music, they had Pop-ROCK on the Musac there. (Says a LOT, don't it?) I remember back in the '80's when a kid asked at a Conference there where he might get a job playin' his Synthesizer in town & he got practically Hooted Outta the Auditorium.

But Times have Changed..the Sound was Bound To also. & Hell, "Real" Country borrowed from Hawaiian (Electric) Guitar music in the First Place, so ya won't be hearin' much Pedal Steel before the 1940's...as far as Country "Roots" go.

"Genres" to me seem to be somethin' the US Labels & Radio Stations have cooked up to make it easier to Pigeonhole & Market what passes for "Music" at any given time. Was Ray Charles "R&B" or "Country?" Ditto Johnny Cash on Many-an-Occasion?
I think the MORE Genres an Artist can Cover, the Better their Chances at pleasing a BROADER Audience/Fan-Base. Kid Rock seems to be proving my point these days.

Ditto Tim & Faith..& Shania. & Roy Rogers & Gene Autrey...& (Fill in the Blanks)...

Wittness Alan Jackson pairing with Jimmy Buffett on "5-O'Clock Somewhere" & there's your "Today's Country" success story. Rather fond of Tim's "Live Like You Were Dyin'" and Toby's "Whiskey Girl" too as examples of what I like in "Country Music Today." If that's "Too Pop", waal, I never DID like all those ol' Country Cheatin' Songs that USED to be Nashville Mainstays. (GLAD to see the "Drinkin' Songs" ARE Makin' Comebacks...heh!)

2 Other Things I've overheard that I know have shaped "What Nashville Sells These Days": "Gals buy 85% of today's Country CDs" and "It takes a Million Bucks to get a Single Launched Nowadays"... Both these Stats have made "Adjusting-to-the-Times" a real necessity
for any artist who wants to get his Music Out There in the World Marketplace.

BTW, there's a Growing Market OUTSIDE the US for "Country Music"--& Nashville/US Labels DON'T Dictate what Overseas DJ's wanna hear on their Programs. (Sorry, ClearChannel..heh!) Costs WAY Less than a Mil to get a Radio Hit in France..believe me..& their Playlists got Joe Nobodys right next to Johnny Cash and The Bellamy Bros...which is just how it OUGHTA BE here in the US.

Otherwise, This Decade's gonna produce a LOTTA Musical Vincent Van Gogh's, JMO.

Big Hugs,
Stan
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#185010 - 02/20/06 12:18 AM Re: What Has Country Come to?  
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Mike Dunbar  Offline


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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,574
Nashville Tennessee
Here's one from a while back


You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash

It's only music.
-niteshift

Mike Dunbar Music

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