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I think not Tony.
I was considering putting up videos that show kittens scampering through fields of dandelions shedding in gentle breezes. We could all partake in a "view party" and then discuss how that makes us feel.

A couple of minutes later....

This was the closest I could find. Everything is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIM9rIynaBk

Rainbows, equal diversity, green and peaceful, cops with squirt-guns, mindless happy soldiers, free higher brainwashing, the new tolerant world order, kittens....

BARF!
WRETCH!
PUKE!
GAG!
BLEKCHH!

You are creating tears in the bliss Tony. Try to remain calm. Deep breaths.

"Tears in the bliss" is exactly right! My threshold for pain has never been great, but my tolerance for stupidity is even less!! Should all the sanctimonious poets lamenting the glory days be lauded while the ninth level of Hell belches apocalyptic catastrophe upon us all? Having your head stuck up your opinion is a very poor excuse for good intentions! Flaccid imbeciles are never expected to facilitate the necessary change that their indoctrination demands so, what's the point of polite avoidance? Complaint will not cease violent conflict once it's upon you! Ignoring an impending onslaught is not a peaceful solution... Does a lack of honest and open exchange of ideas truly satiate the infantile and easily offended? If you do nothing, mean nothing, say nothing, then nothing is what you deserve.

That is interesting and tears the bliss pretty thoroughly.

Tony...

You have written it with a dramatic flair. It comes forth in an Old Testament , fire-and-brimstone sort of way. e.g. "ninth level of hell"
Would you mind restating it in language that is more technical, every-day prose. I'm not sure that I understand what you are conveying. but would like to.

Martin

Yes Tony...lots to unpack in that paragraph

Marty, I think the basic says don't avoid conflict...fight back, don't complain.

But IMO the best line...one I am going to steal, is...."having your head stuck up your opinion"

"That (insert favourite object of derision) has his\her head stuck so far up their own opinion" lets the gestalt take over

John V

I see that for sure and other layers of interesting stuff....all brought forth in a sudden eruption with no prelude.
It's the details that sound interesting. If there is a 9th level of hell, then what is on 1 thru 8?

Line by line detailing would be interesting to read.

Tony?

Found it.....I think that all of this is Dante

The Ninth Circle of Hell or Cocytus, is the lowest region of Hell. It is divided into four levels Caina for those who betrayed their kindred, Atenora for traitors to their country by cause, Ptolomea for host who betrayed their guests and Judecca for any who broke faith with their lords or benefactors.

First Circle: Limbo. ...
Second Circle: Lust. ...
Third Circle: Gluttony. ...
Fourth Circle: Greed. ...
Fifth Circle: Anger. ...
Sixth Circle: Heresy. ...
Seventh Circle: Violence. ...
Eighth Circle: Fraud.
More items...

Actually, LOL... I was entirely inspired by "tears in the bliss". Or... "Tears in tranquility"? There's a song in that
Just how my strange brain works sometimes... I thought it summed up well with "nothing", but yes... I'm a fan of Dante

Here I thought this was spawned by your immersion in an intense coflagration of verbosity...

Naaaah', I just stuck a quail feather in my tin-foil hat and tried to channel Shakespeare, but Dante wouldn't shut up!

Well both had immense influences on their "common language"...the language of the people....Dante on Italian and Shakespeare on English...

...nothing like channeling the best if you go channeling

I thought Tony was possibly scripting out his next exorcism. It looked like he was trying to cast demons out of his underwear or something.

Tony, do you perform exorcisms?
If so, I think that my neighbor's dog is possessed. Can you do anything for it?

btw...did you watch the cats and dandelions video?

For about 10 seconds then my eyes rolled back...

Ah...Tony's shorts twisting around like Linda Blair's head could explain the spew...good guess.

AND if he can self exorcise he is The Man!

My grandfather was Sicilian and many of my grandmothers were Cherokee

Marty, tell your friend gunpowder and prune juice will cure anything

You cannot achieve bliss unless you follow through with the techniques that I show you.

Marty you forgot to say "Grasshopper" after bliss. No wonder Tony didn't get it.

I can't ever remember to do that John.

Pretend it's the front door of a house you are designing Marty...then your only decision is "how big will it be and where does it go"

Oooooh, I'm getting a signal from David Carridine.... He says cats and dandelions make him sneeze!

My record now stands at 56-0. If you got a musical question, or any question. Well, dont ask them. He somehow knew about this thread.

I suggest next time you stop acting like tools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/abbas-bjorn-ulvaeus-urges-reforms-061748099.html

Ahh yes, weve heard it all before, right here, by me, actually.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/abbas-bjorn-ulvaeus-urges-reforms-061748099.html

Pre-pandemic, performing artists could count on income sources like concerts and merchandise, but "most professional songwriters are just that" -- songwriters, he said.

Now everyone is relying on streaming, which accounts for 83 percent of US music industry revenue, according to the Recording Industry Association of America.

But many artists have long said they aren't reaping the benefits, and the pandemic is exacerbating the issue.

Streaming giants pool subscription money and divvy it up based on aggregate play counts to rights-holders or management organizations, who distribute it according to their agreements.

Artists have long disparaged that dominant model, holding it favors the globe's biggest stars at the expense of music's middle class.

Right now, "80 percent goes to the Drakes, the Swifts. The niche jazz artist gets almost nothing, if anything," Ulvaeus told AFP.

"But the niche jazz artist might have 10,000 people out there who love him or her -- and if all that money went to him, he could make a living out of that."

YUP!

Streaming "has hugely impacted the kind of songs and their structure," he said. "When (ABBA's) Benny Andersson and I wrote albums, we wrote albums."

"You can't do that now because... it takes 30 seconds, 15 seconds before people click another song."

- Money is time -

Ulvaeus laments that today's songwriters must navigate a system that forces their focus towards charts and entrepreneurialism: "I have a feeling that many songwriters have to part with their song too early."

In winning the Eurovision song contest with "Waterloo" in 1974, the musician says he and Andersson also won "artistic freedom."

"We learned to recognize garbage, and we learned to recognize when we had something really good," he said. "That takes time and hard work and patience. And how can you have patience if you have people breathing down your neck?"

"Money gives you that time."

UH-HUH!

"People are going to write songs. But why not treat them fairly?" he said.

Peachin to the choir, preachin to the choir!.

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Guess you forgot that we were talking about big name artists and producers demanding writing credits as the songwriter's price of admission to a project

The article you cited is all about distribution of royalties....another topic all together.....and a topic that has been discussed here before.

It's easy to celebrate a win if you are playing with yourself

Dominic stayed away for while and things quieted down and exchanges were pleasant. But whatever illness afflicts him bubbled back up and he returns, and immediately comes back with antagonisms.

Sadam, Charlie Sheen and Dominic all declared themselves victorious. At least Sadam was deluding himself about an actual battle and not an imaginary one.

Oh well.

Selective reading John.

OHHHHHHHHHHH IIIIIII FORGOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

Its not all about distribution, its comments like this FROM AN AWARD WINNING LEGEND OF MUSIC.

SO now you want to go back to the original article, because you lost

Pre-pandemic, performing artists could count on income sources like concerts and merchandise, but "most professional songwriters are just that" -- songwriters, he said.

or

Right now, "80 percent goes to the Drakes, the Swifts. The niche jazz artist gets almost nothing, if anything," Ulvaeus told AFP.

"But the niche jazz artist might have 10,000 people out there who love him or her -- and if all that money went to him, he could make a living out of that."

or

Ulvaeus laments that today's songwriters must navigate a system that forces their focus towards charts and entrepreneurialism: "I have a feeling that many songwriters have to part with their song too early."

In winning the Eurovision song contest with "Waterloo" in 1974, the musician says he and Andersson also won "artistic freedom."

"We learned to recognize garbage, and we learned to recognize when we had something really good," he said. "That takes time and hard work and patience. And how can you have patience if you have people breathing down your neck?"

"Money gives you that time."

or Basicly confirms my whole argument

"People are going to write songs. But why not treat them fairly?" he said.

Get to work on your songs, its easy to have no vested interest, or even interest in writing, and sit back and make fun of somebody trying to start a music discussion. And give smug sarcastic replies. As if you have any fuggin idea about anything or what the fight is about.

57-0

Dominic

You left and things quieted down. You returned to declare an argument and start it. Pointless, negative, repeating. Not a win.

2 things that I can think of explain it...a drug induced stupor or mental illness.
In both cases, broken and not likely fixable.


If you need to think that you won something...think it.

You did not leave things behind, you posted at least 25 posts about stuff that had nothing to do with anything, just to keep it fresh and trying to instigate.

Plus, i thought todays article was extremely timely and provided a nice payoff to the whole thread, whereas your comments were mickey mouse at best.

58-0

Dominic

25?...I wasnt counting

I like debating things. And dont mind arguing...to a point.

Until...I am told or become convinced that the person that I am sending arguments at suffers from mental illness.
That has become the case here. Your pattern of behavior is too negative, dysfunctional, too self feeding and too vivd to pass off as just another hot head operating within the boundary lines of what is considered normal mental health. To argue with you at this level runs the risk of deepening a mental illness.
I'm far from saintly, but dont want to risk being part of that.

If you believe that you won something here, no one can stop you.

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but youll do it anyway....

Yeah you dont mind, you just spend whole day debating things here, and believing your knowledge is superior.

And we have somebody with mental illness here which I did not realize. I was pmed to tell me they were. not very nice for this person to read,your derogatory comments towards mental patients. Where is your compassion?

If I have mental problems, or im broken, why would you want to start with somebody like that?

Should not hear any more replies from Fartin Martin

59-0, and the record is clear... you boasted about your recording prowess, and how great BIAB was, and the only reference you could give was Mike Zaneski made some nice demos with it, on the other hand YOU have not, and where are these masterpieces? I have not seen seen any, even though i know what its gonna sound like. So safe to assume every thing you debate is as obviously wrong as that.

Remember now, show some compassion for us lowly people....

There are many components to the streaming conflict.

The biggest is the millions of streaming customers who comprise the 83 percent. They arent returning to vinyl. Their concerns are themselves and their access to their music for the lowest investment.

Beyond that they are infatuated with the "stars." The songwriters dont even exist in their galaxy unless they are stars singing their own songs.

The next issue is the streamers themselves and their hold on the product and delivery. Their market share makes them appear very strong.

The next issue is the division of profits. I've no idea how much is there and what the big stars get...but we know that the streamers possess whatever monies there are, so they will have to agree to a different distribution. Which means that they and the stars will have to change their take. Not likely.

Lastly, is the influence of the songwriters and their advocates. They can write articles and hold symposiums...but can they actually modify the forces in control. What leverage do they have. Witholding their work product is futile. Too many of them will break ranks or not join their ranks at all if they have something that is working.

The question...Are the songwriters howling at the moon in the hopes of changing its orbit? Or can they actually change its orbit.

We'll see.

How dare you...

60-0 and check mate. Gin, Blackjack,

Hey you sunk my battleship.

Now im done, you can spend the rest of your day trying to unbag yourself.

61-0 to boot

Tip: what you should have done was leave the thread, that woulda put the ball back in my court. but you are just not sharp enough

Oh yeah, you said KC superbowl, I said Tampa.

62-0

Then, again, there's the bigger apocalyptic picture...

Given today's current intolerant political trends... any artists who tries to "buck the system" will just gets canceled, then all we'll be left with is 3 syndicated liberal oldies stations maintaining "brainwash status quo". "Artificial Intelligence" will then replace human composers and any "organic" form of art will be outlawed as sedition....

Dom, have you considered that no one is actually disagreeing with you? Yes Dom, the system sucks!

It's all about so many factors that are beyond what regular people are thinking. Among the rich, hyper inflation is already a reality. They are all cashing stuff in and buying hard assets. But real estate at the uber wealthy level, and super yachts and other hyper high end stuff has doubled and tripled in value in the past decade. Copyrights are hard assets. This is all a hedge for what is coming. Dylan will convert his to different hard assets in his portfolio. In his hands he has maxed the value. In others hands, they are worth far more. So he will buy real estate, gold and other safe hedges for his descendants because you don't know if they will have the business acumen to use them properly and the media companies who NEED content ownership they can milk for a century, will better utilize that hard asset. It makes perfect sense for both sides.

I think you may have far too much faith in the system Brian... When the proverbial turd hits the fan and the "overall" economy goes bust, then only the letter of the law and those wealthy enough to enforce it will prevail. 9/10 of the law is possession, ownership, capital...

Tony...
Think bliss. Try to relax. Time and events do what they do.

Unfortunately, in my life, I've yet to see anything go way up that did not come back down. (correct itself) But I'm hopeful that this debt issue will not be as bad as it might.

The bad news is that your dismal outlook is not irrational.

This too shall pass...?
Yea', just not the way most think. This is SSDD on a GLOBAL scale. COMMON SENSE HAS LEFT THE PLANET!!!

Look into history for parallels. The earliest I know of was ancient Rome...a few generations removed from Rome expelling its king.

The rich had gotten richer...in land, capital ( which is not just money) and the Patricians (the elite) controlled the Senate

When the Plebeians (the common folk) were essentially impoverished by the Patricians, they all left Rome and "went on strike"

They were coerced back by various measures including the creation of Tribunes of the people.

Tribunes were sacrosanct. If anyone messed with them, they could be killed without retribution to the assaulters or killers (did not always work,,,The Gracchi brothers found that out)

Tribunes could propose legislation and essentially protected the interests of the lower classes. (the Gracchi brothers were Tibunes killed for proposing and workimng towards land redistribution)

The office lasted until the Empire at which time it was a title conferred on the Emperor.

There were peasant revolts throughout the ages...perhaps the most famous was the French Revolution...I expect most know what happened there...but its root cause was the fact that the rich paid little to no tax and the poor got poorer. Another famous one happened 250 some years before that in the Holy Roman Empire (mostly in what is now Germany, Switzerland and the eastern parts of France) ...called the German Peasant Revolt....all about taxation and no power or benefits from taxes

I do not see the Russian revolution in the same light, but it was also geared towards "leveling the playing field"...but it simply replaced one central authority and elite with another and nothing much changed for the poor except everybody but elite Party members got poorer as the economy was mismanaged and those who knew how to get things done were shot ....as were those who did NOT get done what the Party wanted.

The lesson is that WHEN things get untenable for "The Masses", some countervailing power ascends to change their conditions....Hello American Revolution

Look at unions for example. Had workers NOT been exploited and treated fairly, there would be no place for unions.

There are currently all kinds of social justice initiatives everywhere you look, all trying to change "the system"

But the more I see things, the more the idea of a Tribune for the people, with the power of a magistrate (investigating judge...like in France and other European countries) and the power to propse legislation could be a good solution.

Worthy of discussion. We know that currently the people's representatives are dysfunctional and beholden to their donors.

Insert a Tribune, with investigative powers and the ability to propose legislation on behalf of "The Masses" and it could act as power that countervails that of large companies and the elite

Lol... Yea', more government, more bureaucracy, more unions... Great Idea!

Don't you see the math just doesn't add up? The wealthy have become "SO RICH" off of debt based interest, that even their combined wealth cannot cover the debt. In fact, their wealth is solely based upon projected interest that can never possibly be paid by the consumer! Yet, they have the power and authority to claim that the world's resources are limited and hold the "population" accountable...

THIS IS GLOBAL! JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT WILL BE!

If the entire population of the earth can comfortably occupy just 2% of it's surface, then how can there possibly be a shortage of resources? The truth is, the only thing that the "population" has outgrown is industry's ability to meet demand, BECAUSE... the owners of industry already know that their wealth is a debt based LIE! The entire concept of money and wealth as we know it is about to come to an abrupt, but necessary, and painful halt.

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I just said they are buying hard assets. How am I believing in the system? If the entire world collapses (or when) the reset will recognize property and hard asset ownership. If it doesn't, peace will never come and even the rich will suffer. New digital currency and government will simply eliminate the middle class forever dividing the rich and poor. There are now already Bitcoin Mastercard/Visa cards. That was dreamed up by the elites and rolled out to entice youngsters to adopt it as "rebellion" culture. Plays right into globalist hands.

Ezekiel 7:19
They will discard their silver in the streets, and their gold will be treated like filth. Their silver and gold will not be able to deliver them on the day of the LORD's fury. They will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs because their wealth was the obstacle leading to their iniquity.

Revelation 6:6
And I heard a voice from among the four living beings say, “A loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will cost a day’s pay. And don’t waste the olive oil and wine.”

Yes, the wealthy are in for a major lifestyle adjustment...
Centralized Global Power, Authority, and Control. The powers that be already know that the "bubble is about to burst" and debt based wealth is worthless. Why do you think they keep driving the debt up? Because the solution is simple; Remove currency from the equation. The whole concept of money, wealth, and ownership is about to drastically change, and if you're not truly one of the "global elite" then you're SOL.

Then comes the mark of the beast, without this mark you can't buy or sell but if you take this mark you are condemned to suffer God's wrath. We are fast shaping up for that final conflict. All the signs that Jesus said would be in place for this to happen are now in place.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/22/6588...re-inserting-microchips-under-their-skin

a Wisconsin company will become the first U.S. company to provide employees implantable microchips. The company called Three Square Market said in a press release that their employees would be given an optional opportunity to be implanted with a chip.Oct 31, 2019

In 2020, A London based firm called Impli released a microchip implant that is intended to be used with an accompanying smartphone app. The primary functionality of the implant is as a storage of medical records. The implant can be scanned by any smartphone that has NFC capabilities.

Just like computers and the internet, what's voluntary today becomes compulsory tomorrow,,,

It is just the start, it might not be the mark of the beast yet, but it will get people use to taking a chip in their body so when the anti-Christ demands it, there will be little resistance. People that say they don't believe the bible is the word of God, must ask themselves how the writer of Revelation over 2000 years ago could possibly know about this technology.

Oh, the signs of the time have been increasing exponentially since May 14, 1948 when Israel re-gathered and became a nation again. How could the prophets have possibly known THAT?!? Name one other nation of people to be dispersed throughout the world for so long, and still come back together with all their bloodlines and language intact! Nostradamus doesn't come anywhere close to Biblical prophecy, yet everyone ignores it... just like the Bible says lol.

The prophecy I find most troubling today is, as we grow closer to the 7yrs of tribulation, God will allow those who deny Him to be given over to "seducing spirits" and believe their own delusions. There has never before been a time in history when men "GLOBALLY" have made such a concerted effort to turn away from scripture and God. Men have now rationalized, intellectualized, and remade God in their own image for the sake of "profit" and "global economic security". Nobody realizes how insulting it is to thank God for money, since everything He provides is for free... which includes all of creation, all of us, and His sacrifice on the cross. Nobody remembers that Christ was crucified by the very same greedy, convoluted political ideology that we still hold dear today. Is there truly any wonder why we're so polarized?

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

Dom probably thinks we're idiots for taking over "his thread" lol... but hopefully he will come to realize that there is a very real segment of the community that understands "ALL BUSINESS IS DIRTY BUSINESS TODAY". It's just a sign of the time!