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Wednesday, Dec 23 @ 4:12 AM

‘We Saved the Music’: Amy Klobuchar on Getting $15 Billion for Venues Into Stimulus Bill

“People embraced music and culture more and more,” says Minnesota senator. “But they were just alone doing it on their computers and their phones, and they want it back”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...klobuchar-save-our-stages-bill-1106846/5

This money isn't going to your local watering hole to support live music. These bills are NEVER what they say. Some people will get $600 dollars for "Covid Relief" while the bill for ALL 330 Million Men, Women and Children is 2.7K per living being. Not a good use of our grandchildren's futures.

Most of that money will go to wealthy venues and their donor owners. It won't save the Mom and Pop sites that used to blanket the USA but never will again.

Music has been sterilized by computers and samples. Every laptop has access to Abbey Road in ways even the Beatles didn't. (Just look up Native Instruments). This "perfect music" and infinite supply in your pocket has so devalued music that the passion and value in the mind of consumers view songs as frozen dinners or fast foods rather than something to be poured over and analyzed. The ave. listener (of any age, this isn't just a youth problem) listed to 33 seconds of a song on Spotify. 33 seconds!!!!

I predicted in 1998 in an article that in the future ONLY singles will matter and the shelf life of music will be minimal. I also said all music would be on a device in your pocket. I admit I didn't predict the cellphone capabilities mostly because the Internet had been so slow back then it was hard to imagine that much power and speed being possible, but I had all the rest right. But the end result I also feared was that the kid with endless toys finds joy in the cardboard boxes they came in while the toys gather dust in the corner. This is the same thing with music.

We saw a spike in Live Music via the Internet on line when everyone started livestreaming. The novelty and patience of the of the viewer quickly wore off.

What will the future be? I think we'd be well served if it was Mom, Dad, brother and sis playing a guitar and singing on the porch. With the coming economic collapse I fear I may once again be right. Nothing else about life may be free or permitted.

Speaking of which Trump finally stood up for the people and says he won't sign the new stimulus, because it was thrown together 5000 pages in a few hours and nobody got to see what was in it, money to foreign countries, and peanuts for the people. If he had came out with this speech before election I would voted for him, instead of Mickey Mouse

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHqBhY89vOg

Of course McConnell said they would override his veto. I think enough people are raising hell that he might back off.

Its a bad look though. Trump exposed them all. If mcconnel overrides he's saying this is the new republican party, just like the radical left. Nobody knew this chit was in it. Did McConnell?

I don't get the whole thing, Biden is due to be President in two weeks or so. He's been promising much more, so why not just wait two weeks? They didn't care for 8 months what's another two weeks?

I personally know people who have not recovered from this, and not just the illness, the economics of it.

I think trump mixed and matched items from the covid relief bill ($900 billion) and the omnibus spending bill to keep the government open ($1.4 trillion), so we don't know the whole story yet. In any case, why didn't trump involve himself in the negotiations while they were going on? Even if he is right now, it just means he hasn't been paying any attention to the details of his job.

He did mix and match it, but still the result us all this money for everybody else, nothing for Americans. If the 1800 for illegals, and 600 for the people is true, that's the biggest disgrace in America since slavery

any way you slice it, like Trump or not, regardless of his motive, which is himself, but what he's saying can't be denied.

How dare they send away all this money while people are losing their businesses, going hungry, and can't find jobs.

Pelosi turned down 1.9 trillion before election, basically cause she didn't want trump to look good, now she signs off on 900 billion?

Pelosi belongs in prison for criminal negligence

Not really true Kevin.

The are 435 members of congress. And they have the sole power under the constitution to ENACT a spending program.
435 members should be enough to get a sober job done.

The primary function of the president is to approve it or not. VETO.

Sure, Trump could suggest a budget, be calling everyone about the budget, and on and on. But in this atmosphere, doing so is fruitless and would only provide the Trump hate machine an opportunity to cast the worst possible light on everything that he said.
Which YOU, a moderator, would repeat HERE.

The TRUE takeaway...
This is an opportunity to see a foreshadowing of how the liberals in govt will do their job when they can receive an automatic approval from Biden.

Fd


A bit hyperbolic.."Slavery?"

But a lot true in what you said.
What has happened to America ?
What else will Pelosi and crew do with the treasury money that defies common sense and reason, if Biden serves?
$3000 would not solve many people's circumstances. $600 is better than nothing but ultimately accomplishes next to nothing.
And if I understand correctly...you may have a waitress who has been out for a year or an Amazon stocker who's been employed all along. They BOTH get $600.

If true...how does that make any sense?
And then there is the money leaving the country altogether?

IMO the real issue is that The House, The Senate and The Presidency worked in silos and have their own agendas.

There was\is no collaboration. Only a desire to score politcal points,

News here talks about various items in that budget that resulted from the age old tradition of horse trading...meaning lots of spending on programs that do not have much to do with Covid Relief and relief for Joe and Joan Average Rainbarrel & The Little Rainpails

Had they been focused on this as their only goal, and not added an omnibus spending bill on to things, it may have been more palatable to all

Some of us much prefer gridlock to an unfettered Pelosi congress or "compromising." To us, gridlock is functioning well and doing the job that the constitution designed checks and balances for.

The mega fear of the sane people in America is a Pelosi congress combined with losing both senate seats in GA, combined with a Biden / Harris rubber stamp.

If that happens...?

Not just FLUSH...but TURBO-FLUSH.

Maybe hyperbolic, but then again, this crisis is once in a generation, so the weight it has is huge. Slavery was certainly a stain on America, just trying to show how serious it is.

Its not even the amounts. The excuses given were America can't afford this, we can't burden future generations with debt...no? But you can spend it other ways, so long as nobody sees it. That was the Republican rhetort, but they signed off on this? If McConnell knew this, he also should go, I can only guess many did not know all the details, 5000 pages long in 24 hours doesn't add up

600 in new jersey pays 1/3 of rent, how is that stimulus . people are already 8 months behind.

And the dems prolly threw all this chit in, thinking the relatively cheap bill would disguise where it was going.

But still makes no sense for a push now, Biden has been saying this is just a down payment, more will be done. Well if that's true, why not wait two more weeks, go head and pass a 3 trillion deal. My guess is cause they don't think they will be able.

Pelosi is a witch, she openly admitted she turned down trumps offer cause she wanted to make sure Biden was president.

To me that's inhumane and criminal...lock her up!

FD...

Not to digress too much. But slavery was an eternal human issue for all of civilization to work out.

Our current predicament is better likened to the Great Depression and it's aftermath which was a World War. All the ingredients are in place for a repeat. imho.
Notwithstanding the debt, a Great Depression, has been kept at bay for over a decade because the US can still sell it's IOUs and print that money. But the day has got to be coming when that ends. If the libs take govt and start implementing more spending programs as sloppy as this bill...imho we will accelerate towards reckoning day.

The spending has been bad enough with Trump in.

But there is the humanity aspect of it. Letting people starve and get evicted and lose their livelhoods is just as bad as making humans slaves.

But I'm not stuck on the comparison, we don't have to use it

Still a tad hyperbolic...but I get it and I'm not arguing the validity of your viewpoint.

The rise and well being of the middle class are the direct gains of humanity. If they diminish, everything does.

Im still not sure how all this got by McConnell. Is it just that the overall price tag was low? Or he didn't see it.

He too has kept saying that Biden will do more next year, he probably thinks he's gonna win the GA runoff, and Biden won't be able, lol

Regardless, no way, no how, this bill makes sense. It could help alot more, and cost a lot less to give it to the people, where its needed.

Fd...here is my take on McConnell.

Think of Trump as the Wizard of OZ.
McConnell was always a lifetime parasite scared of losing at the game....which is to be re-elected and live big. And use his position conveyed to his wife to cash-harvest. He was always gutless. He was the cowardly lion.

Trump came along and granted him a pair of balls. During Trump's tenure, McConnell saw where the gravy was with regard to repub voters (Trump-licans) and got in line to get it.
BUT...with Trump presumably going away...so did McConnells balls.

He is simply reverting to his pre-Trump persona. Why the people of Kentucky send him back over and over is bewildering.

He has a punchable face. You see him and you want to throw a punch. He definitely is a weasel.

But common sense should prevail, the bill would cost billions, if not trillions less to give it where its needed. Trump makes sense on this.

But if you are McConnell, the politics and political consequences of your next move is a bigger concern than reason or sanity or anyone's ACTUAL well being.

Martin, you can insert the name of almost all politicians where you have McConnell ....

One thing that was brought to my attention via a news piece some years back

It is the responsibility of every democratic and republican senator and congress member to regularly spend time in a special room with lots of desks and phones were they must call supporters to raise money

In those calls, they essentially sell their souls in order to be re elected.

Not suggesting their entire calculus revolves around re election, but I expect most of their decisions and actions are geared towards that

I expect that it is also true that most of Trump's most ardent supporters are only there to ensure they get the support of his supporters...that is an explanation I am hearing a lot these days when the question is asked...how can (insert name) be supporting those (lies, policies, etc etc) Trump is pushing?

No you can't. Not entirely.

Longevity has a lot to do with it. The Biden family, McConnells, Clinton family, all stay year after year, then decade after decade. All the while establishing and streamlining cash harvesting machines through relatives and various others. The govt has been wired to enable that. That is why Biden is able to say "I did nothing wrong."

Biden even became so sloppy about it that he was bragging about vanquishing someone who got in the way...on videotape. That is the level of long since sullied idiot that is about to become POTUS. (maybe)

A better scenario...

There are a lot of things for a conservative to like about Jeff Sessions. One thing not to like was his longevity. It was interrupted by an appoint to AG and his seat ended up taken by an odd ball in an election that was perverted by an opponent who was an epic freak. Later on, Sessions wanted back on the gravy train but the people of Alabama said no and elected an Auburn football coach. There is beauty in that.

If Tubberville serves two terms and leaves, he will be a role model. If he lingers for forty years, he will become part of the rot.

War Eagle.

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Gary,

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To all of that, I say ...$600?

Cya Mitch. Well, I don't like the prospects of dems having blank checks to sign, this is what it took to get people help.

Essential workers...not helped. Jobless, not enough to stay afloat. Small business unable to keep doors open. Evictions.

You can't kick people around for that long and expect them to take it.

I'm seeing all these theories why Georgia flipped, its very basic to me. 600 dollars was an insult and now its gonna be more.

If they had done the 2000 check Georgia wouldn't have flipped, just my opinion.

You can't watch people lose their livihoods and then say here's 600.

Now the only question is Biden. Two words Joe "down payment"

Lets see if businesses get up and go.

They can just get people to print more money. And the current Republicans socialize up while they denounce Trump with a most unusual run election.

Where would artists need welfare? If they have that work, it is an unembridled thing with what is come around.

Maybe there is a concession with the NEA.
It would be interesting to know where the social distancing and mask mandates would be with that.

Both parties are full of bullcrap. You know what it cost us to go from 600 to 2000? Another half trillion in ADDITIONAL spending, even though that increase cost us 420 Billion, they added ANOTHER 80 billion in pork to it. The overall spending bills combined are going to be 4-5 trillion when you add in Defense spending.

Beijing Biden is under the thumb of China. They can end him any moment they please. So expect all sorts of new giveaways to them, and for them to crush American interests across the board. 30 trillion and Biden wants to spend double what Trump did (he has said this over and over). If he does when his admin leaves in 4 years, if he lives that long, we'll be 50 Trillion in debt and unable to pay the interest on the debt with ALL our taxes. He is also letting Trumps tax cuts for the middle class expire meaning more than 2K per person in new taxes in 2021 and beyond. Taxes will skyrocket and now he is going to bail out NY and CA so we can finance all their state debt (trillions) with new National Debt. Just what his voters wanted. The non productive city dwellers raping the flyover states.

Brian

Oh I agree, tax payers will end up paying for it, but this could have been averted.

Mitch was penny wise, dollar foolish. It was so razor line close the whole race, that absolutely woulda made the difference.

Now the problem becomes...will they actually give it to people who need it.

Pessimistic and dire predictions but not impossible. China knowing where Joe and Hunter buried the bodies is not runaway paranoia either.

Another factor is the interest rate. The fed has been able to keep it low because the govt can still sell various IOUs with low yields. If anything ever causes those rates to become unattractive and the fed has to raise those yields, then servicing those IOUs becomes more expensive and servicing the debt takes a bigger and bigger piece of the annual tax revenue. If and when it gets badly out of hand, hyper-inflation possibly sets in, which destroys the value of currency and the welfare of affected citizens.

The scary thing?...that is a fairly typical scenario for how banana republics ultimately resolve large governmental debts.
And I keep seeing the word "reset" in the media.

We can hope for better, but the govt has been recklessly irresponsible with money ever since Clinton's surplus in the 90s. (If you factor in pillaging social security, not even then)
Now...on Jan 20th, the absolutely wrong-for-the-situation cast of characters takes control of the federal govt.

I'm not religious but I may start praying anyway.