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#1170465 - 10/30/20 11:02 AM Musician Profile site?  
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www.musicianprofile.org

I see this on LinkedIn. Looks like another way to market yourself, perhaps to a broader range of people in demand of what you supply.
And it seems to offer a place to market every occupation in the entertainment realm.


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Did you check it out or just offering some new resources?


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#1170550 - 11/02/20 10:04 AM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Just new resources.
Pops up on LinkedIn and seems to offer a place to be 'found'. Most people seeking discovery employ every avenue possible.
If it gets a reputation as a place to find people in various 'vocational' endeavors it could be beneficial.
But it could also fill up with wannabes and be a time-waster and lose its reputation.
I think what made me share it was the variety of Entertainment field vocations it lists. The 'crossover' potential of some 'consumer' looking for a videographer or lighting director might bleed over and bring in a Music Supervisor or Arrangement & Repertoire person who obliquely discovers one of the wannabes and makes $omething happen. Sometimes people looking for one thing see other things, then, someone they know tells them they're looking for something and the first guy's lightbulb comes on! "Hey! I saw that just the other day at..." Everyone wants to be the guy who helps his pal find what they need.
Those actively marketing themselves and their product or services might find it to be the avenue to their $uccess.
I seem to recall clicking the link takes you to a 'signup' page. I'm not marketing so I didn't go further. I'll check it out and see if there's more I can say.
I see it's based in England and Wales. I signed up to gain access. I read a few Profiles. It's a marketing tool. It may lend credibility to a member that they are 'accessible' there, just another outlet for helping you be found. Connections to be made, perhaps, with other musicians and creatives, and maybe into the industry of Entertainment.

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#1172108 - 12/05/20 08:37 PM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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I want to set out in the medium and learn more about mp4. Information with that is the most helpful.

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Here's another site that popped up on Facebutt.
Some kind of virtual manager, maybe?
https://useriff.com/waitlist?fbclid=IwAR0rBq6ZtmTzMmTvK90lUzDZ373-y_V9TuSJxg_owHsvbR7rpjdmQozITBk


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#1172441 - 12/14/20 07:57 PM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Yeah, I question the value of any of these places. Until the real world opens back up (if it ever does, I am starting to wonder) none of this matters anymore.


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#1172482 - 12/16/20 01:46 PM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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That's the challenge; to find a new modus operandi for monetizing whatever it is you do.
The established names have that going for them. Many are not Song-Writers and still need to find 'product'. Many ARE Song-Writers and still need to find product the 'consumer' will pay for, the general public, the TV, Movie, Radio and Internet who have to have something to play to get people to sit and watch/listen until they can play the commercial advertising that pays the bills, AND...a biggie... to 'soundtrack' the 'content' of TV shows, commercial ads, Movies.
It's every man for himself. Some will find a way. Most will fall by the wayside, as it has always been. Some will watch the successful and imitate and emulate, finding a modicum of success for themselves.
What constitutes 'success' for the established names and the 'superstructure' of promotion around them, and what the average Joe Song-Writer/Musician might characterize as success can be vastly different. They want a million dollar success. Average Joe might manage with some five-figure level of success.
Someone opined, "People must eat. They will drink. They want entertainment." Gathering to eat, drink and be entertained is life-threatening, and threatens to remain so for the unforeseeable future.
What's your niche? How do you monetize whatever it is you do in the Threateningly Changed (capital T, capital C) Natural environment that is causing Threatening Change effects in your Economic environment? The 'way', the 'methodology' we all aspired to for a lifetime is now modified in mode and quantitative availability. Some will still hire you to come and entertain, live, risking the Threat, if you will.
You may be able to open new markets, House Concerts, a very manageable 'environment' if everyone involved is educated to the 'same page' of caution. Very local, minimizing the risks of exposure to the Threat in having to stop for gas, stop/shop for food, meeting strangers who are NOT on the same page. What tactics in a modus operandi strategy can you manage without dying to do it? It anybody's game. The established famous folks have that edge. What's your edge? You may be unique in just offering your mode of live entertainment or marketing your product. If you can find your way in, or out, into the market, out of obscurity, you might be able to make a living in the 'biz'.
Meanwhile, we've all been 'sent to the woodshed', once a reality of country life, a common place where one was sent to await parental punishment. It became a metaphor for the creative artist who stayed home, out of sight, out of mind, creating their next offering to the public. Then they'd come out with a new 'album'. I always tell young people to ask their Mom and Dad what 'albums' were, a modus operandi that has been diminished by single Song marketing in the download era. Time's passing. Mom and Dad may have to go ask Gramma and Grandpa.
Is that your opening? Would 10 or 20 or 30 folks attend a House Concert and pay $10 to hear you play? $100, $200, $300.
Then would some number of them desire to own a pre-recorded hard copy version of what you offer?
A CD? A USB ( www.cdbaby.com )? A download card? Would they be motivated to go online to download a single Song?
Could you persuade them to pay extra to set up their own recording device, actually capturing the performance they attend? Can you 'merchandise' along with that? Will they pay to have their picture taken with you? Will they buy your t-shirt, your hat, your bumper sticker?
What's your 'in'? How can you design a 'business plan' that will work to make a living, or at least 'support your habit'. Because music ain't gonna let you go. It' going to insist on being played, whether you're marketing or not. Find your way. Then you can sing, "I Did It My Way!"


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#1172534 - 12/18/20 01:50 AM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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.I would not touch a quick fix with a ten foot pole.
My primary instrument is the synthesizer, although I have looked towards real instruments.

I came to this site originally because there is more resciprocation between professionals and amateurs than not.
It is no disrespect to people that have had the time to critique either way if I can't go their.

#1172622 - 12/21/20 10:42 AM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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The most realistic thing that I have seen with regard to arms length marketing my music is Spotify.

Get a song up on Spotify thru Distrokid and then buy some Spotify ads to direct people to your stuff.
Also, get yourself on to Spotify playlists that people actually listen to. (not easy)

Once done, you are still a needle in a galactic haystack.
I spent $250 and it yielded nothing beyond a few spins.

Making significant numbers of strangers like your music enough to pursue it, in an atmosphere of uncountable choices seems not only beyond my reach, but beyond my comprehension. Nonetheless I enjoy giving it a shot now and then.

It seems to me that people have to be driven to your music because it provides them with something that they want. That seems simple enough. But I have no idea how to provide what they want and if I did have an idea...I doubt that I possess whatever it is. But I love to write.

#1172625 - 12/21/20 11:09 AM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Its a bit like selling pens..... Some people manage to make careers out of selling pens, but most people would not buy a pen from you at gun point!

My personal opinion, and this is not based on research and trial and error, just folklore and common sense, you have to be able to create a demand for your music, anybody can put it up for sale, we've got that covered. Anybody can put it up on spotify, we've got that covered. Anybody can buy or make a demo, got that covered too.

I mean even songs that have tens of millions of listens, the vast majority of people in general won't care about it. I could go right now on YouTube, find a song I've never heard of,by an artist that I've never heard of, and it has millions and millions of hits, and I don't care about it.

That's why I think radio is still important. When a song is on the radio it gives it instant credibility , and so many more people are likely to hear a song on the radio, by chance, cause they have the radio on in car, or are listening to work radio, or in a store.

On spotify, its doubtful that somebody says "ok let me find some obscure song, by a guy doing homemade recordings, i have to hear it!"

Only die hard underground music listeners, usually kids with lots of time on their hands do that.

Think about yourself for a minute...do you care about new music, music you've never heard, or knew existed? No, if your hear it by accident or somebody tells you about it,maybe. But for me, I'm fine with never hearing billions of songs.

The only time I've ever been totally floored was by a guy named Willie Nile. I first heard him on CD baby, and only cause he came up on a sear h of "sounds like"

I said holy chit this sounds amazing, the songs are great, it was entertaining , energetic, great rock n roll. couldnt believe he was on cd baby. Yet, I probably would never have heard of him but for that accident. Turns out he had been making critically acclaimed records, and just happened to be on CD baby as well, but thats how good your have to be, to turn a head if your lucky enough to see a head.

But I think getting views, listens, sales , is more about exposure than just putting yourself in the fire. People won't search for your music if they don't know you exist. You need a buzz.

There's a good book called indie band survival guide. It gives good tips about exposure, and how going are where is less competition is better than trying to be a grain of sand on spotify or youtube.


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#1172720 - 12/23/20 03:29 AM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Terrestrial radio still looks to be the high bar, even though media has gone to the web.
The convention has been to carve out something physically that can be placed in the hand.
Vinyl records are selling.
It would be interesting to see what lands without the web.


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Originally Posted by R&M
Terrestrial radio still looks to be the high bar, even though media has gone to the web.
The convention has been to carve out something physically that can be placed in the hand.
Vinyl records are selling.
It would be interesting to see what lands without the web.



I hope there will be a backlash. We need it. Social media is poison in more ways than people realize. If it disappeared tomorrow, the ENTIRE world would improve significantly. How often does new technology hold that true?

Not very.


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I do instrumentals geared for concept along with mp3's with vocals and lyrics.
Is it better to stick with a medium or is that narrowing oneself?
Professionals and career musicians often stay in one idiom, genre or medium. Even if they have been known to explore outside of that. But this is the internet and seems looser.

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I would like to eventually have a domain site where people can host their creations. But to also have people that know a lot more than I do about tech and protection on the web.

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Sticking to one genre?
I write whatever kind of Song comes to me. If it has merit, whatever I'm starting with, guitar work, Lyric, I try to write it. I don't reject any genre based on genre. If it has merit I try to write it.
As a Song-Writer YOU are the first listener.
Who's to say you're right or wrong about the merits of the Song you're writing?
You should be making some judgment calls about whether it has 'Hook Factor'. Is it 'hooking' you? It should hook others the same way. If you're not hooked they probably won't be either. They'll make that judgment call. So you should be making yours first.
How much Introductory Movement is 'Enough'? How much is 'Not Enough'? How much is 'Too Much'. It's a judgment call. You make yours. They'll make theirs. If it's 'Too Much', in their opinion, they may drift off to their own thoughts and not pay attention as the Song progresses. If it's 'Not Enough' they'll probably get over it if what follows is 'Enough'.
How much 'exposition' of the 'Storyline' in a Verse, or two, is Enough to set the scene, set up the story, before it is 'Time' to get to the 'Chorus'. "Don't bore us! Get to the Chorus!"
The judgment call of 'Enough' continues through the Song, to the Coda, the final Musical Movement.
www.copyright.gov has some good reading, Circulars that explain the Copyright Law and Registration of your Intellectual Property (IP). A Song can be worth a fortune. If you're giving people 'access' you need to know how to protect your IP. If you're transitioning from avocational hobbyist to commercial endeavor, it's time to study some new things you may not have studied before. Copyright.gov is a good place to start.


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Originally Posted by R&M
I would like to eventually have a domain site where people can host their creations. But to also have people that know a lot more than I do about tech and protection on the web.



Protecting what R&M? Music has been completely devalued for the musical middle class. /Now it is the Elites and the broke.

Make music because it is fun. Give to those who like it. Take money if they are willing to support your work. Otherwise, make music that pleases yourself. If you are looking for universal approval, get a dog.

PS: If you ARE talented enough to make other people money or to further their success, THEY will find YOU. If they come knocking otherwise, it's almost always a scam. Legit opportunities either pay you, or no one get's paid. You should not be paying someone else money to make your dreams come true. You pay someone for a tangible service. A specific one that can be measured, not open ended and vague or worse, hopeful they will help YOU succeed towards goals without being given specific instructions for specific tasks with specific deadlines from YOU. That goes for lawyers, PR and everyone else.


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#1173043 - 01/01/21 05:25 PM Re: Musician Profile site? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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I always maintained the premise that if people like something, it is not a matter of convincing them, whether that is for work or play.
I just don't want to be one dimensional.

Dealing with lawyers would seem dicy.
I don't even like ordering or banking online.


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