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#523207 - 07/18/07 02:14 AM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Michael Zaneski
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Hi Jody, This is absolutely gorgeous! There's an immediacy to this. The images leap out and grab me; very sad too--save for a momentary respite with "damned"... it gets more personal as it goes, then in the bridge, the singer reveals her feelings about love, and its devastating...not just what's said, but the pacing of it all... Very moving for me  ...from one Bill Murray fan to another, it's really good to hear from you!!! Mike
Last edited by closemike; 07/18/07 02:18 AM.
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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#523279 - 07/18/07 11:07 AM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Joice Marie
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Yeah Jody ! Ditto to all the kudos...I'm a big fan of poetry as song.  Really nice stuff in this one and very well written.  jm
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#523399 - 07/18/07 04:59 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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nightingale
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this is a masterpiece,it speaks to the soul.
odk
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#523541 - 07/19/07 12:20 AM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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bailey bridges
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Hi Jody, Marvelous work. Stunning. Graceful, yet strikes deeply to the origin of a most universal turmoil. I'm so proud of you. And so glad you shared this here. This deserves a very special melody. Your last one was very pretty. Perhaps you'll develop the melody that's certainly there in your soul if you haven't already. Would love to hear it when you do.  Vanessa
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#523550 - 07/19/07 12:52 AM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Jody K Smith
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Wow, you folks really know how to lift a girl's spirit . . . and you've definitely done that for me today. Heidi, Ya know, it was just one of those downer days . . . flipping through the channels and there it was -- Meatballs!! (and I hadn't seen it in years!). I thought "yeah, that's exactly what I need." Sorta silly really, but it made me feel better  Anyway, thank you so much for your comments. They are SO appreciated. Mike, I'm so happy to see you back on the boards. I know your presence was missed. It feels so good to know that the emotion reached you . . . I always have those moments of "what if noone gets this but me?" and I was especially worried about that on this one. Thank you for your kind words. Marlene, I'm so glad you find that this works. I honestly was not sure that it would. Like I told Mike, I was concerned that it made sense to me, but that nobody else would "tune in". So happy you did. Thank You! Emily, I was very flattered by Marlene's comments . . . and yours as well. Thank you for stopping by. Calvin, Good to see you. Hey, I like those lines too  Thanks bunches. JM, Thanks for the "ditto". It's always good to hear from you. Thanks!
J.K. Smith
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#523645 - 07/19/07 12:35 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Jody K Smith
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Couch, You really made my day. Thank you.  Stop back anytime (even if next time you hafta tell me it's a stinky pile of poo  ) Nightingale, You're too kind, but thank you nonetheless. Wy, No one's more surprised than me! Thank you for the wonderful compliment . . . gives a girl lots of encouragement and I appreciate it! Charlann, Thank you for the "beautiful". Means a lot. Al, "Masterfully" sounds like a word to me  Then again, I tend to make up words all the time . . . either way, the key is that you thought it did work . . . and that pleases me to no end. I'm especially glad the bridge worked. I knew this would need a bridge (at the very least it would be needed musically since there is no chorus) but I wasn't quite sure how to say what I wanted without dragging it out too far. So . . . thank you Al. Vanessa, Thank You! I'm glad I shared this as well. It has reassured me that it's ok to take this turn every once in awhile . . . the poetic feel of it all. At the time, it was just the best way I could think of to describe how I was feeling. There is a melody stuck in my head for this and I was thinking how it'd be nice to have a device I could just plug into my brain and transfer the melody right over.  On second thought, there's probably someone somewhere working on that very thing right now and that's a scary thought!!  Anyway, I may try to set a melody for this . . . but every time I do, something gets lost in translation and it never turns out the way I hear it. Making melodies myself is really a result of necessity since I don't have any co-writers to work with . . . but I'd really like to hear this one so maybe I'll give it a try. Thanks Vanessa. Songdog, I thank you kindly!! Heather, Glad it caught your attention. Thank you very much. Wish I could find a better (more eloquent) way to say "thanks" than "thanks" . . . but I'm at a loss for words . . . so THANKS!!
J.K. Smith
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#523831 - 07/19/07 11:45 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Lynn Orloff
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Hi Jody,
This lyric flowed like a river for me. One thing to consider (and only as a possibility).... I read that you said each verse grows progressively stronger and that may do the trick, but my concern was that while the read of the lyric minus the melody kept me intrigued, I am wondering that when the music is added if you keep the format above, that the change or melodic break at the bridge may be too long a wait. My concern is that when you or someone puts a melody to it (and I hope you give that a try) would be not for the melody to become redundant waiting to get to the bridge since you have 3 verses prior and not the normal two (as in the typical verse, verse, bridge, verse format) A possible remedy (if that became the case) would be to change format to verse, verse, bridge, verse (and possibly part with one of your verses) or have verse, verse, bridge, verse, verse bridge (keeping all four verses but breaking them up with a bridge and repeating that bridge at the very end. I say this only because when it comes down to the melody part you don't want the listener waiting too long for that melodic break. Just something to think about. What you wrote was unique, poetic and beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
Best, Lynn
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#524031 - 07/20/07 03:03 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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John Hoffman
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Jody, poetry allows us to reflect on the words and so to enjoy them much longer. It usually does not work in a lyric. Some great songs have been written with a poetic tone. Heidi mentioned "The Rose". You have done it here.
You used more than one image but they are all similar. These images are lacking the one thing that makes them significant. AND your primary image/hook is ACTION. And what it's missing is a place to do its thing.
It adds up to looking for love. So what about love? "a love that can't be known" and "love is never enough" either don't quite get direct enough to be clear or could be confusing.
Unless she's found that he/she is infertile. If that's the seed that can't be sown it all makes perfect sense.
Jody, again this is beautifully written. You even got Mr. George off the couch.
Have Fun, John
Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword never had an editor.
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#524053 - 07/20/07 04:13 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Jody K Smith
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Steve, (What a beautiful baby!!) Thanks . . . you are absolutely right - I just gotta be reminded every once in awhile. Hope you are staying cool. Wy, You say the nicest things . . . Tricia's right, you ARE sweet (and if you come back arguin' about it we're gonna be here a while cuz I won't concede!  ) Thanks Wy. Snake, Thanks so much . . . I guess we've all felt this way at some point or another. I'll certainly keep your name in mind too . . . ya just never know what lies ahead. Lynn, Thanks for taking to time to go into detail on your suggestion for the music. I appreciate that so much. It is something I will definitely consider if it gets to that next stage. Some re-ordering may be needed, but I'd like to keep the bridge in there just once because I was hoping for that to sorta be a climax musically/emotionally and don't know if it would work twice. And I was just wanting the final verse to follow the bridge for the same type of reasons (only it'd be soft again after the climax). Nevertheless, I wouldn't want the music to get boring . . . so we'll just have to see how it goes. I'll keep it all in mind. Thanks a million Lynn! Betty, Thanks for stopping by . . . folk could probably work. I'll keep that in mind.
J.K. Smith
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#524057 - 07/20/07 04:38 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Jody K Smith
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Heidi, Hey what are you doing in here? Inside my head?  That's ok, you can stay . . . plenty of room in here anyways!! Actually, maybe you ARE hearing what I'm hearing . . . that would make me happy. I think it needs to grow stronger throughout musically in order for the emotion to be fully felt (have I already said that a gazillion times?). Thanks for bringing up "The Rose" (I prefer Conway's version - not that we're discussing that) but I think that song is a really good example of poetry working in a song. I know this could never measure up, but it's a great reference for me . . . in determining where to go from here. Thanks Heidi!
J.K. Smith
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#524661 - 07/22/07 09:56 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Ben Burton
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This is hauntingly beautiful, Jody. Makes me want to wrap my arms around the singer in an effort to try to console and reassure her.
Ben
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#524885 - 07/23/07 05:18 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Jody K Smith
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. . . sorry for being so s-l-o-w . . . John H. Thanks for your insight here. I guess I wanted to leave it a little open-ended . . . "take it as you will" sort of thing. Thanks! John S. Glad you stopped in and thank you. Ben Exactly what the singer could use . . . even if it's a virtual hug. Thank you very much.  Wy - you crack me up!! 
J.K. Smith
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#525112 - 07/24/07 03:45 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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John Hoffman
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Jody, lots of times it's best to leave things open ended. Maybe they'll sit back and reflect. I guess the line "love is never enough" seems out of place as everything else points to looking for love (not having found it). Again this is beautiful.
John
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#1171882 - 12/01/20 07:41 AM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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Good Morning, All. Wow, it's been a long time since I've been here. Another time, a different name (I'm Jody K Smith aka "Doodle). I recently learned of the passing of the prolific writer Ben Burton. It drew me here, where I met Ben and gained the opportunity to co-write and spar with him daily. He knew how to ruffle feathers, but man, was he a great writer and friend. I'm not sure if his passing was mentioned here, nor do I know how many that knew him are still on JPFolks . . . but his memory has inspired me to come back to songwriting and I hope to interact with some of you soon. p.s. this song, Ben, always reminds me of you. ~Doo
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#1171981 - 12/02/20 08:12 PM
Re: River With Nowhere To Run
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I think this is a poem, a really good one.
Its nice to see something with depth here, all it takes is some digging in.
For a song it probably needs some humanizing, its just a list of clever analogies.
I think the bridge tries to do that, but could be made even stronger.
Clever and creative!
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