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#1171602 - 11/24/20 05:56 PM This may help To Unite  
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I know I am not a US resident, but this may resonate with you...to change the US vs THEM into WE The USA

https://mashable.com/2017/01/31/dan...jt91SzS-yB_rGz9PcAfzwO3BZCc#8DMUMhYvD9qk



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Typical "feel good" socialist "we are the world" politics... Seriously, does this really impress you? Do you really believe this is the answer? GROW UP! Those who have all the money, power, and political influence will never do the work and will always be above the law and everyone else... fact of life, suck it up! The only thing that 95% of the world's population has in common is slavery to the elite, and now America has joined "the party"! Here's a prediction for you; Rush Limbaugh's days are numbered, FOX will radically change it's lineup, burning Bibles and American flags will soon be the order of the day, the Constitution will be displayed in some museum as a historical relic, and any public criticism of the current administration will be prosecuted as treason. Better take a picture while you can... so you don't forget what freedom used to look like.

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Wow Tony...not the reaction I expected. The message is that more unites us than divides us if we care to look.

But yes, the Danes are generally more progressive and we Canadians are definitely more middle left Democrats than not...so a message like this resonates

As for the rest of your post...far too much to unpack.


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#1171636 - 11/25/20 03:32 PM Re: This may help To Unite [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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I enjoyed the video. Simplistic, yes, but still hits the mark. But there will always be those among us those whose hearts have hardened and will remain cynical to the end.


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"Simplistic hits the mark...?" Lol, wow... you obviously have no control at all over how transparent you allow yourself to be, and your commitment the non-existent majority of democrat voters is truly admirable. You know damn well they tried everything I stated above during the Obama/Clinton administration but they just weren't aggressive enough. Now, Bernie Sanders can't wait to get to work "rallying the globalists!" Go ahead, give yourself a nice pat on the back... You won, America is dead.

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
I know I am not a US resident, but this may resonate with you...to change the US vs THEM into WE The USA

https://mashable.com/2017/01/31/dan...jt91SzS-yB_rGz9PcAfzwO3BZCc#8DMUMhYvD9qk



Good Luck with that.

Denmark is a small country with a shared heritage and sense of unified purpose going back centuries.
The US is a large factionalized argument splintering as you read this, mostly as the result of liberal policies.

Google.... "chimerical" "fantasy" "puff and stuff" "get real Willis"


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
I enjoyed the video. Simplistic, yes, but still hits the mark. But there will always be those among us those whose hearts have hardened and will remain cynical to the end.


Coming from someone who throws around "fascist" and "enemy of democracy" at 70 million of his fellow countrymen. Kumbaya.
yeah right Kevin. You are a real unifier.

Lol

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Denmark is, as Marty points out, a very different country from the US, but it is having to come to terms with diversity brought about by immigrants who do not share the same heritage, which is why this video was made. As a video, I think it is a good idea and well executed. Not everyone will like it, but its intentions are good. I certainly don't think good intentions are inherently "socialist." A little healthy cynicism is one thing, but I don't believe every attempt by anyone to bring about a little good in the world should be bitterly ridiculed and denigrated.

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The Christian ideal of freedom reflected in the Constitution is the only thing that ever united America...

The youngest most prosperous country ever... gone.

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And a happy thanksgiving to all!


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Forgive me for trying Tony and Martin. I must have misunderstood Jesus when he talked about loving your neighbour.


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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Denmark is, as Marty points out, a very different country from the US, but it is having to come to terms with diversity brought about by immigrants who do not share the same heritage, which is why this video was made. As a video, I think it is a good idea and well executed. Not everyone will like it, but its intentions are good. I certainly don't think good intentions are inherently "socialist." A little healthy cynicism is one thing, but I don't believe every attempt by anyone to bring about a little good in the world should be bitterly ridiculed and denigrated.


There is an elastic limit to everything Gavin. Fresh faces and ideas are a good thing until differences become excessive disunity and devolve into an unresolvable argument.
Assimilation in the US has been strained and reset a couple of times in our history. At this point, it appears that this country wont be unified by anything short of a large scale foreign invasion (military). I'll pass.

No one is bitterly ridiculing the feel good video. Just ridiculing the sudden "calls for unity" all over the place. Taking it as more than that is probably chimerical.
You guys are all ready to hold hands and sing now that you seem to have your choice for American president. That's after 5 years of unmitigated bashing of the choice of 70 million people. A kiss on the forehead and a hug dont fix everthang.

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Forgive me for trying Tony and Martin. I must have misunderstood Jesus when he talked about loving your neighbour.


I'm agnostic. You can only play that card against Tony.

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Bashing Trump does not equate to bashing Republicans Martin. Did you feel personally persecuted by Dems going after Trump?

And even if you are agnostic (I actually think most people of faith would agree you cannot prove or disprove the existance of God ...and that they take their beliefs on faith to be true) ....you have to be familiar with the Golden Rule on which it is based.

A very dear friend of mine, and colleague in interfaith activities here in Toronto, Paul McKenna, created the Golden Rule poster which translates "Love your neighbour as you love yourself" into the analogous expressions of other faiths...and it has spread around the world because people of all faiths (and no faith) subscribe to and understand this to be basic to human relations

But I'm not here to tell you that you should adopt this, or care about some foreign video or ideal, or your democrat neighbour

You can definitely go on hating democrats if that is what you want to do.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Bashing Trump does not equate to bashing Republicans Martin. Did you feel personally persecuted by Dems going after Trump?



John

Doesnt equate to bashing republicans....?

On this very website, you stood by quietly as your pal Kevin labelled me a fascist and an enemy of democracy because of my vote for Trump.
Personally persecuted? Where was all this golden rule then?

Its the liberal mindset John. You all selectively connect dots. You all just slog amongst double standards saying we-good-you-bad.
And now you are trying to imply that Jesus dont like me and Tony. Us guns and bibles peoples are them High-po-critters.

I dont hate anyone. More empty hyperbole. Kevin expressed hateful things, not me. I just dont care to all-of-a-sudden go from fascist to participant in the new age of ubiquitous love...now that Biden is president maybe elect.


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Jesus even went a step further and said, "Love your enemies...," but what exactly do you think that means? If you think I'm hateful and un-Christian because I know this world is governed by evil in high places and socialism is wrong, should I just shut up and keep the truth to myself? As a child of God and loving member of the human race that God Himself separated for our own good, should I simply ignore the danger of globalism so I don't anger my socialist neighbor? You know, the Quran says there will be no peace until muslims subdue the Earth... This, of course, is man's wisdom, not God's. I LOVE THE TRUTH! And I share it!

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I did not at all imply that Jesus does not like you or Tony...where did you get that idea.

But I stand by my statement that bashing Trump is bashing Trump. It is not bashing Martin Lide.Calling you a fascist is definitely bashing you

Still, you do have a point that I did not defend you on that fascist thread. Perhaps I should have. I apologize for that.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
I did not at all imply that Jesus does not like you or Tony...where did you get that idea.

But I stand by my statement that bashing Trump is bashing Trump. It is not bashing Martin Lide.Calling you a fascist is definitely bashing you

Still, you do have a point that I did not defend you on that fascist thread. Perhaps I should have. I apologize for that.



Regarding Jesus...the dots were clearly connected as.....everybody knows Jesus wouldnt act like yall and Jesus is good, so yall are bad. Jesus dont like bad people!

But that is not an issue for me. The fascist thing was truly annoying. A rude and simple minded insult. And you profess that it is against all that you believe correct...now that you want me to love Biden.

Apology accepted. Not a matter of great concern. I'll get over it. Allow me some time... 4 years. wink

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I think the most interesting thing is that all of you missed the plot entirely.

If you paid any attention, the hearings today in PA should have gotten honest Rs and Ds attention in the USA. The criminal vote theft which clearly occurred in 7 swing states isn't just the problem of whichever side ends up losing this election. (It is far from over). What is clear across all these states is that BOTH parties have been vote dealing for decades. They keep the R and D in roughly 50-50 power on purpose and by design. They get both parties to sell out to the power brokers and both sides from the smallest local school boards to the Presidency has been hand chosen by the powerful. Votes from both sides have meant nothing for a long long time. They got exposed because Trump won in a landslide. The margins were so huge they had to over cheat which left evidence, witnesses and proof. The voting machines have been exposed by both parties or 20 year. The left even more than the right, starting with Jimmy Carter and Baker. There are ample YouTube videos showing how easy they are to cheat with. The votes go out overseas, are "handled" then sent back. Algorithms also switch votes at an ever steep curve, but once they hit critical mass, it crashes the system. So they shut down counting and brought in millions of fake votes.

First hand witnesses testified with 50 to 1 more waiting in the wings. Hundreds have testified under penalty of perjury about rampant fraud and lawlessness. And they haven't even gotten to court yet where at least 3 people directly involved in the mass cheating have turned states evidence. They will testify in court. And more are coming out each day.

The Supreme Court will eventually decide the winner. I make no predictions, but once the evidence shows that BOTH parties in some cases have cheated in various down ballot races, and millions of Biden's votes are fake, people will either demand and fix these issues, or the US will be lost for good. When neither side is actually electing anyone that isn't preapproved by the criminals, we're in a banana Republic.

Watch and see. I fully expect both parties to try and cover their asses, so it would be unlikely (though not impossible) for enough to do the right thing at the State level. But it likely will get to the Supreme Court and the USA will never be the same once people, including normies like we have here (good people who are asleep to the dark realities) wake up. Once the US falls, the wealthy elites will switch to China to do their dirty work. They already have ample blackmail material on Biden, hell enough already came out from Hunters laptop to prove Biden is China's puppet. But China answers to the elites just the same, but they are chomping at the bit to finish the USA and become the only world Superpower. The USA has a fatal cancer already metastasized in it's bones. The debt is already the fatal cancer it can't survive without a world war. It will have to sell off and shutter it's military just like England had to when Soros bankrupted them as well. (Though Soros is simply the creation of the elites, a bogeyman they conducts their crimes under much like other notorious figures in history were as well). The same powers have been using "dictators" and military puppets for more than a century to do it's dirty work.

Even if Trump prevails in court, it is putting off the inevitable. We cannot survive with 30+ trillion in debt we'll have minimum in the next year.

The final marxist/communist takeover has already begun. They are criminalizing Thanksgiving all around the USA. People in some states are banned from gathering even though those issuing the bans have been caught in parties, maskless having large gatherings of other elites and their political minions. They are threatening jail time and huge fines in many states if you dare gather with out of town family. In CA they just pointlessly shut down all restaurants for 3 weeks. But of course black friday shopping is just fine.

Anyone who thinks that's a good thing is already a useful idiot for the authoritarians. "Do as I say, not as I do." -Every elite in power.


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I'm not so sure Brian... I can agree that "the system" itself is convoluted and corrupt, but how you operate within the system speaks volumes. I was saying four years ago that Trump is just a "centrist businessman" who only ran as a Republican to beat the Democrats at their own game. But then he surprised me and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, publicly and politically recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of the sovereign nation of Israel despite UN objections. When you take into account all he actually accomplished in 3yrs and consider that his campaign platform was "independence, Constitutional liberty and pride, and drain the swamp", it makes me wish I took him at his word and voted for him the first time. Trump has proven himself to me, I can't so easily dismiss him as just another politician... which, of course, he obviously never was lol.

On a side note: John V, Jesus is the ORIGINAL politically incorrect bad boy lol. Our faith, or lack thereof, is a big part of who we are. Personally, I believe there should be MORE religion in politics... a LOT more! smile

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Tony, I do not want to get in a position where I challenge your faith or belief system because I see that as disrespectful and out of bounds.

In a private thread I apologized to you for my comment regarding what Jesus purportedly said about loving your neighbour. Martin took it as me as saying Jesus would not have liked him and it also provoked a reaction in you that was unintended.

It was my intent only to quote his words, not to imply you would have been judged somehow unworthy...though I understand how Marty and you saw it.

I apologize again in public for that.



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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Tony, I do not want to get in a position where I challenge your faith or belief system because I see that as disrespectful and out of bounds.

In a private thread I apologized to you for my comment regarding what Jesus purportedly said about loving your neighbour. Martin took it as me as saying Jesus would not have liked him and it also provoked a reaction in you that was unintended.

It was my intent only to quote his words, not to imply you would have been judged somehow unworthy...though I understand how Marty and you saw it.

I apologize again in public for that.




Well, considering your affiliation with "World Interfaith", I would assume that you're well accustomed to such challenges lol... I'm probably not half as offended as you may think, and I certainly got the gist of the video. Perhaps the fault is mine for telling you to "Grow Up..."? The truth is, you and I agree on one very important point... We may not all see "eye to eye" but we must all respect each other's God given freedom. However, that will never happen if we're not "free" to understand each other. "Political Correctness" is not a child's game... It's a slippery two way street full of huge potholes with two cops arguing over the best way to direct traffic. This quickly devolves into unidirectional thinking without any regard for anyone's destination. Authority takes precedence over choice. "This is my street, do as your told..." Hopefully you can understand how "why can't we all just get along" seems childishly na´ve to someone who sees clearly that liberty and individuality are being stripped away from the current political landscape. The authoritarian powers that be insist that unity of purpose requires unity of mind... and the world is shrinking every day.

I didn't know about you, but I currently appreciate that my God given freedom is Constitutionally protected! Again, understanding is a prerequisite for respect... and I actually enjoy these conversations. So, I won't say that I'll never be offended, lol... apparently that would require me to ignore more than half the population. No, I will continue to speak my mind and respect the freedom of others to do the same.

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I guess it all hinges on what we believe our God given freedoms are and how we use them....but I know what you mean in your context

And wow, things looking pretty dismal from your more political correctness into unidirectional authority do as your told you're not stomping on my face point of view smile

Looking forward to more of your speaking your mind


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